Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-07 Thread Rogerio Luz Coelho
2011/1/6 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com Nobody told me, that's the problem, i have been asking a lot about that, and nobody seems to be interested, nor knows anything. So that's why I'm wondering why. I think that is the future, there will be less and less fat client apps, and more and more

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-06 Thread Ian Lynch
On 6 January 2011 06:30, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com wrote: I believe integrating Thunderbird would be more a marketing move than anything else, but marketing is very effective!!! So that's why I think it would be great if Thunderbird could be integrated automatically with LO. As I said

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-06 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Shouldn't we file these wish list items somewhere and if so where? On 1/6/11 10:00 AM, Ian Lynch wrote: On 6 January 2011 06:30, Jaime R. Garzagar...@gmail.com wrote: I believe integrating Thunderbird would be more a marketing move than anything else, but marketing is very effective!!! So

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-06 Thread James Wilde
On Jan 5, 2011, at 20:02 , BRM wrote: I think such a project would have to focus really on Windows and perhaps Mac. Most Linux systems use package management software, often vary different. Some (e.g. gentoo) do not have a GUI interface at all. And honestly, the only place this is really

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-06 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
source ones. There is no reason to limit people to just Thunderbird. Ben - Original Message From: Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thu, January 6, 2011 2:04:18 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc I agree with you totally

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-06 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I 2nd your Mac comments. What i find impressive is how they work really well for those that like 3rd party apps like myself Thunderbird interfaces really nicely with the other mac apps that were mentioned below. On 1/6/11 11:47 AM, James Wilde wrote: On Jan 5, 2011, at 20:02 , BRM wrote: I

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-06 Thread Andy Brown
On Thu Jan 06 2011 02:28:26 GMT-0800 (PST) Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Shouldn't we file these wish list items somewhere and if so where? You can always create an account on the wiki and create a list. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Main_Page there is an area called Crazy Ideas within

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-06 Thread Jaime R. Garza
i think it would be great to have a HTML5 LO, which will only need a browser. The could be installed locallz or on a server. There would only be need for one version that supports the 4 major browsers. At least we should start with a ODF reader, it doesn't have to be a plugin, it can be a HTML5

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-06 Thread Christophe Strobbe
Hi Jaime, At 17:52 6/01/2011, Jaime R. Garza wrote: i think it would be great to have a HTML5 LO, which will only need a browser. The could be installed locallz or on a server. There would only be need for one version that supports the 4 major browsers. Are you aware of WebODF

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-06 Thread Jaime R. Garza
Well for a reader is not such a big deal if it's HTML5 or nor, but if there were a Office Suite, like Microsoft Docs Google Docs, that should be in HTML5! But apparently no one has started such a thing and no one seems to be interested. IBM is working on one and Oracle is already offering one, at

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-06 Thread RGB ES
2011/1/6 Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com: I'm wondering why libre office is not interested in developing an HTML5 complete office Suite. Who told you that? An html5 app based on LibO does not exists yet, that's clear, but that does not mean it will never be one. LibO is a FOSS project, the only

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-06 Thread Jaime R. Garza
Nobody told me, that's the problem, i have been asking a lot about that, and nobody seems to be interested, nor knows anything. So that's why I'm wondering why. I think that is the future, there will be less and less fat client apps, and more and more browser based apps. The main reason is

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might opt out of installing it if they don't want an email client On 1/5/11 3:22 PM, Christophe Strobbe wrote: At 00:19 3/01/2011, Jonathan Aquilina

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread drew
On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might opt out of installing it if they don't want an email client Right - well, it depends to

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
What about bundling it with the downloadable installer? On 1/5/11 5:32 PM, drew wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might opt

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread todd rme
On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 11:32 AM, drew d...@baseanswers.com wrote: On Wed, 2011-01-05 at 17:11 +0100, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: If we are looking to promote this to corporations it will need to have one, and we could give them the option to install one. A home user might opt out of installing it

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
project, or another entity all-together (FreeDesktop.org might be the best organization to handle it.) - Original Message From: Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 11:43:52 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread BRM
eagles051...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 12:19:31 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc One problem would be Linux i think with this approach. Instead of making a bundle for each specific distro i think we would have the package

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
managed by TDF, or by someone else entirely, like FreeDesktop.org. Ben - Original Message From: Jonathan Aquilinaeagles051...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 12:19:31 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc One problem would

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread Jaime R. Garza
I believe integrating Thunderbird would be more a marketing move than anything else, but marketing is very effective!!! So that's why I think it would be great if Thunderbird could be integrated automatically with LO. As I said before, a sort of container that can select the applications ti be

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
I agree with you totally here Jaime. On 01/06/2011 07:30 AM, Jaime R. Garza wrote: I believe integrating Thunderbird would be more a marketing move than anything else, but marketing is very effective!!! So that's why I think it would be great if Thunderbird could be integrated automatically

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc (was:Do not support writing to OOXML format)

2011-01-02 Thread Ian Lynch
On 1 January 2011 18:43, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Why waste time and effort on this when there are other perfectly valid alternatives? Evolution, Thunderbird for open

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-02 Thread Charles Marcus
Please don't top-post in an inline thread... On 2011-01-01 2:42 PM, Jaime R. Garza wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 20:36, Lee Hyde anub...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, an integration add-on for Thunderbird (and any other e-mail clients or contact managers with an add-on architecture) would be a far

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-02 Thread Charles Marcus
On 2011-01-01 9:54 PM, todd rme wrote: Isn't this what freedesktop.org standards are for? A standard for spell checking libraries (I mean the library of words, not the software library) shared across all open-source programs would be very useful. Such a thing has already been proposed:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-02 Thread Charles Marcus
Please don't top-post in an in-lined thread. Thanks. On 2011-01-02 1:18 AM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: On 1/1/11 8:36 PM, Lee Hyde wrote: On 01/01/11 19:20, Craig A. Eddy wrote: So, what am I saying? You don't NEED to add something useless like Outlook or Evolution to LO. You just have to allow

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-02 Thread Robert Derman
Jonathan Aquilina wrote: besides email people want a calendar as well as a to do list as well functionality wise, which Thunderbird seems to lack. On 1/1/11 8:36 PM, Lee Hyde wrote: On 01/01/11 19:20, Craig A. Eddy wrote: So, what am I saying? You don't NEED to add something useless like

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-02 Thread Robert Derman
Ian Lynch wrote: On 1 January 2011 18:43, Jonathan Aquilina eagles051...@gmail.com wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. Why waste time and effort on this when there are other perfectly valid alternatives?

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-02 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
What do other devs think about including something as mentioned below somehow in regards to a mail client alternative to MS outlook? On 1/2/11 7:49 PM, Charles Marcus wrote: On 2011-01-01 1:43 PM, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc (was:Do not support writing to OOXML format)

2011-01-01 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
You mention other projects why not package other projects as options for instance during install. User is presented with a list of options for instance thunderbird for email etc? On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Zaphod Feeblejocks zapho...@gmail.comwrote: The Go-oo homepage also says Going

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc (was:Do not support writing to OOXML format)

2011-01-01 Thread Cia Watson
On Sat, 01 Jan 2011 12:16:06 - Zaphod Feeblejocks zapho...@gmail.com wrote: The Go-oo homepage also says Going forward, the Go-oo project will be discontinued in favor of LibreOffice. Does that mean that LibreOffice is driven by Novell too? Ways to resolve this include: - Open

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc (was:Do not support writing to OOXML format)

2011-01-01 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that done and integrate it into the LO suite 2) or install software that already exists in the open source

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-01 Thread Sebastian G. bastik
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Am 01.01.2011 19:43, schrieb Jonathan Aquilina: Whats really held OOo and will hold LO back is the lack of an equivalent program such as outlook. There are one of three ways it can be done. 1) fork something like evolution which has all that

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-01 Thread Craig A. Eddy
I remember my days of working for an outfit that used Outlook and MS products. I looked into Outlook for myself. I was not amused. Years later I turned to Linux, and the particular distribution I chose installed Evolution by default. I looked into it. I was not amused. So I tried uninstalling

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-01 Thread Lee Hyde
On 01/01/11 19:20, Craig A. Eddy wrote: So, what am I saying? You don't NEED to add something useless like Outlook or Evolution to LO. You just have to allow Thunderbird to connect to it, and people can make their own choice as to whether they want all the other bells and whistles.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-01 Thread Jaime R. Garza
But why only for Thunderbird? Why not make an open container (or just modularize the existing one with a well defined interface) to will allow any application to use the resources (e.g. dictionaries) and have full integration with all LO resources? On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 20:36, Lee Hyde

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-01 Thread Craig A. Eddy
VERY GOOD! No, I didn't really mean to restrict it to Thunderbird. It's just what I'm most familiar with. Certainly, if there are other email readers that have capabilities that can be linked into LO those links should be explored. Craig Tyche On 01/01/2011 12:42 PM, Jaime R. Garza wrote: But

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-01 Thread Jaime R. Garza
My point is that if they are stand alone,they should still be able to share seamlessly the resources, like the dictionary, spell check, even PDF export, I'm not sure if Thunderbird uses one. But the important thing is to give the feeling that they work integrated. Not only to the E-Mail client,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-01 Thread todd rme
On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Jaime R. Garza gar...@gmail.com wrote: But why only for Thunderbird? Why not make an open container (or just modularize the existing one with a well defined interface) to will allow any application to use the resources (e.g. dictionaries) and have full

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-01 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
Jaime i only said Thunderbird cuz that's the client i use. there are tons of others. Todd i totally agree a standard needs to be reached. like there is the ODF format a standardized dictionary format would be a great idea. On 1/2/11 3:54 AM, todd rme wrote: On Sat, Jan 1, 2011 at 2:42 PM,

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-01 Thread Jonathan Aquilina
besides email people want a calendar as well as a to do list as well functionality wise, which Thunderbird seems to lack. On 1/1/11 8:36 PM, Lee Hyde wrote: On 01/01/11 19:20, Craig A. Eddy wrote: So, what am I saying? You don't NEED to add something useless like Outlook or Evolution to LO.