Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-05 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Simos Xenitellis: Per mailing list etiquette, it's better to start a new thread to discuss mobile LibO. This thread is about what needs to be done to get native Win64 LibO, and how to find developers to join the effort. It has beceom a thread on mobile LibO by default. We've been told

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-05 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Simos Xenitellis: Per mailing list etiquette, it's better to start a new thread to discuss mobile LibO. This thread is about what needs to be done to get native Win64 LibO, and how to find developers to join the effort. It has evolved into a thread on mobile LO by default. We've been

Re: [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting TomW: To use Ctrl F as the shortcut for 'Alternate dialog Find Replace for Writer', do the following: Open 'Alternate dialog Find Replace for Writer' Click on 'Batch ', the Batch Manager Click on 'Key Shortcuts' In the top dropdown box, select 'Altsearch - dialog'. At the bottom of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Marc Paré: So, for everyone, do you think that we could submit this as a feature request and if it were adopted, would it have a negative impact on the new or casual user's use of the search function? I think it certainly should be a permanent feature. I don't think new or casual

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Steven Shelton: This is also a pretty much standard extension for all of my installs, but, to be honest, I don't know if average users would like it or hate it. For one, it seems to take forever to come up with you call for it with a hot key. I've noticed a slight delay ( 1 second)

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Steven Shelton: I'm reluctant to download the beta since the Web site says it will overwrite my existing Oo and I don't have an available spare machine at the moment. I'll see if I can free up one and try it. I am not sure if this is still the case. Maybe someone else can comment on

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Michel Gagnon: Finally, if we need to train people to the proper use of word-processing software, I would suggest that emphasis be given, in order to the following nasty habits: – proper use of spaces and punctuation (hyphen vs n-dash vs m-dash); – proper use of indents and tabulations

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Jim White: I think you missed Michel's point. The examples he gave of proper use are those formatting features that will make re-formatting easier. If we encourage such proper use through the design of the UI, as well as through education, many will be happier with the product. -JimW

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting e-letter: In terms of priorities, making LO the default for mobile (e.g. android) is more important than windoze. That's certainly a novel approach: giving 90% of computer users lower priority so that 1% of users can prepare presentations on their cell phones. Bound to be a wild

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: x86_64 Windows build

2010-11-04 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting T. J. Brumfield: In all fairness, Android tablets could become a large emerging market, but Windows is still by far the predominant market. But how many people will use them for heavy-duty word processing, spreadsheeting and presenting? LO/OO is a heavy-duty package for heavy-duty

Re: [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs

2010-11-03 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Graham Lauder: There is an extension which is pretty much a compulsory install on any OOo instance l use and it does what you ask here. http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/search/node/altsearch Thanks! It does indeed do what I want (and a lot more). Now if I can just

Re: [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Rodwell
I have only today joined this discussion so I don't know whether this has already been discussed or not. There are two reasons why I have just paid money to upgrade to Office 2010 instead of switching to OO/LO: 1. Complete file compatibility. I frequently handle documents with very complex

Re: [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Rodwell
Hi Cor: 2. Search and replace. I work with large documents, often 400+ pages. [snip] OK, that is easy to handle with a trick as user, but possibly also an relative easy fix (1)? As I said, when you have to do this constantly, dozens of times a day, it does become a real issue. I would

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Rodwell
Hi Marc: As in all public mailists, just ignore the negative comments. Robert does not speak for people who are interested in fixing problems or concerns of users. Thanks! I've been around mail lists long enough to recognise the type. Just ignore him. Which is exactly what I plan to do.

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Rodwell
Hi Marc: We would need an example of an incompatible file for us to see and examine. Could you provide us with an example? I can't supply any of the files since they are the property of my clients and I'm bound by some very strict non-disclosure agreements (they have the right to tear my

Re: [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Robert Derman: On a separate subject, to Peter above, I can see where your profession certainly justifies the expenditure for MS Office, I would hope however that you at least downloaded and installed OOo/LO in addition, since it costs little or nothing and might at times prove

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting T. J. Brumfield: One of the advantages of LibreOffice/OOo over MS Office is that the interface is familiar and easy to grasp. And while the Ribbon interface has improved from 2007 to 2010, it is still unpopular for a reason. The core ideal of a dynamic interface that shows the most

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Marc Paré: And yes, MSO format conversions are not 100% and where there are power users like Peter, it may be difficult to rationalize using LibO when his customers are unwilling to adopt an ODF format which would simply work. There is always the option for Peter to propose a change

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Frank Esposito: mostly because they can't afford (financially and timewise) the risk of having to re-train thousands of users with the productivity drop that this would involve I have to say, if that was the case, then no one would have upped to 2007/2010. The last company I worked

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Ernst W. Winter: Yes sounds good. How did the city of Munich change 14,000 PC to OOo? Since I'm in Spain and not in Munich, I have no idea. I do think where there is a willing there will be a way. If Govermnet Authorities can change, why can't a corporation change. Public

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Marc Paré: I understand that perfectly well. I am a teacher and school boards are comparable to major corporations, I sit on an IT committee (software acquisition) and we talk often about migration. But, the question of IT support for OS and software is a large issue. They are more

Re: [tdf-discuss] Old Bugs

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting Charles Marcus: There will *never* be 100% compatibility... like I said earlier, even Microsoft doesn't achieve that between different versions of its own programs. Oddly, I can't offhand remember having any backwards compatibility problems. I have had very occasional problems loading

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Old Bugs

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Rodwell
I answered a posting from Ernst W. Winter: Yes sounds good. How did the city of Munich change 14,000 PC to OOo? with a somewhat cursory I don't know but the question piqued my interest. A few minutes' Googling came up with the answer: It didn't. Reports (e.g., at

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice UI should be tweaked, not reinvented

2010-11-02 Thread Peter Rodwell
Quoting T. J. Brumfield: As someone who uses both MS Office and OOo on a daily basis, I find the OOo FAR MORE USABLE for an advanced user. Every day there are tasks I want to accomplish in MS Office, but I can't find the appropriate option in the Ribbon interface. It drives me nuts. It drives