[IxDA Discuss] Pie Menu Spotted on the Web

2008-06-25 Thread John Gibbard
I've been trying to shoe-horn a pie/radial menu into just about every experiential site I've worked on this year so it's nice to see someone actually get one out [1]. However, this Converse example isn't the greatest execution (I'm not keen on the dynamic element of the menu) and the context of

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menu Spotted on the Web

2008-06-25 Thread AJKock
So here I was still playing with it on the right hand side, when it jumped to the left hand side. :( What happened to consistency? The site looks like fun to play with, but when the fun wears off, will it be functional to shop on? There are so many options, you have to click too much to see

Re: [IxDA Discuss] [Off-topic] Alarm Clock Recommendations

2008-06-25 Thread Bonnie John
I agree with that a sunrise alarm clock is delightful. Absolutely my last alarm clock. Mine doesn't make any sound and allows any lamp to be plugged into it, so it is a lovely as the lamp you choose (if you hide the box). It is a small black box (~3inx5inx2in), with a red digital clock, 6

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Janne Kaasalainen
As a disclaimer, I've been recently working on consumer electronic space, designing about 60% to the devices, 30% for web and remaining percentage points for various other media. Why this is meaningful hopefully opens up later on in the reply. In any case, many of the faults in UCD that I've

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Ken Mohnkern
While digging through this discussion I was wondering why someone didn't say something like this: On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Will Evans [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think there are some great fundementals in UCD that can help make the other 999 products a little less crappy, a little more

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Guidance on P.G.in Interaction Design.

2008-06-25 Thread Gaurav Trivedi
Hi Kedar Nimkar If u don't have time than Go for HFI Certification. I think u r living in Mumbai. HFI having Mumbai Center. U can also do following short tem course. http://www.idc.iitb.ac.in/~anirudha/workshopAug08.htm#Fees Thanks Gaurav . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Re: [IxDA Discuss] IxDA Curriculum (Was: Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals)

2008-06-25 Thread dave malouf
To Andrei YES!! I would just add a specific class on intro Anthro and another for applied anthro besides what Dan calls Design research. And I'm good to go. ;-) Personally I would also require all undergrads to at least pass the AP in a foreign language or have 2 semesters of foreign

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread dave malouf
Ambrose, I think you are confusing BAD design with the fundamentals of design. The same is true with BAD UX Pros. There are even bad design schools for that matter. Again, if all you want to think about is UCD as a philosophy of empathy towards users than it needs to be considered as one part of

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menu Spotted on the Web

2008-06-25 Thread Adam Connor
The jump to the left got me too. Even though I read AJKocks response prior to viewing the site. Also, the navigation itself seems a little mystery-meatish. I mean, its not like there are a ton of options in that immediate menu to explore, just the four, but I'm not sure anyone would get that an

Re: [IxDA Discuss] [off-topic] work for equity

2008-06-25 Thread Todd Zaki Warfel
On Jun 24, 2008, at 9:16 PM, Gabriel Friedman wrote: would like to negotiate for equity rather than pay[...] Why not get both? Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel President, Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully. -- Contact Info Voice:

[IxDA Discuss] Pie Menu Spotted on the Web

2008-06-25 Thread Brooke Baldwin
Is it possible that our reactions are at least partially biased by our ages? The site appears to be designed for a younger generation than (I'm guessing!) we all are. According to Susan Weinschenk (Chief Technical Officer of HFI) in some research she's currently conducting, the majority of UX

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menu Spotted on the Web

2008-06-25 Thread AJKock
Busted! :) I am also shock to learn that Gen-Y's are more tolerant than Gen- Xers. :) Kewlness, fashion and preferences come and go. Intuitive work-flow is cross-Gen and forever (more than one generation). I don't see Gen-Yers or any Gens for that matter will have a preference for inconsistency

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Using Laban Movement Analysis for Interaction Design

2008-06-25 Thread Dan Saffer
On Jun 25, 2008, at 1:13 AM, Andrew Boyd wrote: Here is the big question: could a smart system record these meanderings and keystroke-model-analogue them sometime in the future? It may not be technically possible yet (without the human tagging that we do with the likes of Morae) but I am

Re: [IxDA Discuss] unique search result interfaces

2008-06-25 Thread Bryan J Busch
I think you guys are onto something. For example, it would be helpful if searching YouTube provided moving video previews of Search Results, like Viewzi does: http://www.viewzi.com/search/videox3/flight conchords . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread J. Ambrose Little
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:10 AM, dave malouf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, if all you want to think about is UCD as a philosophy of empathy towards users than it needs to be considered as one part of a greater whole of total design methods that have to include centers of markets and

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menu Spotted on the Web

2008-06-25 Thread Adam Connor
Hmm, I'm only 27, so in some definitions (Wikipedia puts the threshold on Gen-y around 1980) I still qualify as Gen-Y. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=30716

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Relocating - Was: Importance of Masters Degree for IxD Professionals

2008-06-25 Thread David Shaw
Ok, I understand your question. At my point in my career (14 years experience), the question of how much relocation plays a factor is significant in my evaluation for schools. Others may not consider it a big deal (especially those that are single and w/out children), but I have to ask myself it

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Using Laban Movement Analysis for Interaction Design

2008-06-25 Thread Doug Fox
Dan, I look forward to your upcoming book on Interactive Gestures. I think that there are two different questions here: 1) Putting aside the difficulty and complexity of various movement notation systems for a moment: As we move from basic implementations of multitouch (e.g., Mac mousepad) to

Re: [IxDA Discuss] [off-topic] work for equity

2008-06-25 Thread Jeff Lippiatt
I am actually doing this at the moment. I have been working for a small start up company that I felt would be a great experience. They had some capital, but I negociated with them to find what will work best for both parties. Part of what they are doing is selling apparel, so basically I get free

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Joshua Porter
One of the problems I find with UCD is that it can be too process-oriented. I think it has to do with our need to systematize wins in order to recreate them again and again. I think we implicitly assume that if we use the right processes at the right time then we will somehow be able to guarantee

[IxDA Discuss] Navigation problem

2008-06-25 Thread Nancy Roberts
Hi all, I am working on an online application that explores the anatomy of certain body systems. In one section, we have a cross-cut diagram of a body part (the eye). Next to it is a list of its subparts (macula, retina, cornea, etc.). Originally, it was intended that when any of these items was

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Petra Liverani
Almost everything I've read in UI design until very recently was about user-centered design. It seemed to make a lot of sense but then when I read that there was a book Designing the Obvious, by Robert Hoekman, and his rather disparaging posts about user-centered design that also seemed to make

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menu Spotted on the Web

2008-06-25 Thread Bob Sampson
Yeah, feels to me like the jump to the left was a bug in their Flash that was left in. I do see 4 items in the pie, but for me the one with the pen thing doesn't do anything on click. Then clicking Limited I noticed the Limited pie item did nothing. Just seems kind of off to me, like the selected

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Jun 25, 2008, at 6:33 AM, J. Ambrose Little wrote: Having some framework and set of standard techniques to add some predictability and reliability is not only far more attractive to those spending the money, but it is also helps guide designers to do the right thing, especially less

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Donna M. Fritzsche
Petra, I think you are spot on. Some people naturally emphasize with the needs of others. I think this is a key quality and explains how some people can design quality systems without doing as much UCD research, etc. Harvard psychologist Howard Gardner identifies 7 types of intelligence - one of

[IxDA Discuss] Pie Menu

2008-06-25 Thread Frank Siraguso
It's mystery meat and it's lame. Frank Siraguso Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe List Guidelines

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread dave malouf
Nice Andrei. Ambrose, I would ask you why have any sort of centrism at all? I also think there is a big difference between ethics and design methods frameworks, no? I may choose one based on my ethical underpinnings, but first should come the ethics and then the framework. I do not believe that

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Navigation problem

2008-06-25 Thread Bryan J Busch
1) The area should be highlighted on hover, but not play automatically, and there's a prompt: Click to learn more, or a noticeable Play button/icon, at which point the animation/voice-over whatever can start. 2) It should be really easy to pause or stop the highlight/movie/audio aspect. Is there

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Navigation problem

2008-06-25 Thread Donna M. Fritzsche
Nancy, We are working on a similar system! What about having all the behavior happen on rollover (skip the clicking part.) When the user has rolled over the item - no other areas can be active. Then when the user rolls - off the the focused item with text, etc, or clicks a small close box - all

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Using Laban Movement Analysis for Interaction Design

2008-06-25 Thread Trevor van Gorp
I saw a great presentation at Design and Emotion 2006 in Gothenburg from Philips where they used Laban Analysis to help design the quality of the movements of the indicator for a computerized home system. The conference proceedings are available here:

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Marijke Rijsberman
It seems we have to do the empathy thing like a periodic flare-up of the plague. We might want to be a little more critical about the whole idea of empathy and what it means to walk in someone else's shoes. When we look at someone living in primitive conditions and say, oh, my god, those poor

[IxDA Discuss] [EVENT] [REMINDER] **TONIGHT** IxDA LA HUGE present Methodology Madness Part 2: Usability Testing, Wednesday June 25th, 7-9pm

2008-06-25 Thread Angel Anderson
Tonight's IxDA LA event is going to be hot! By popular demand, we've extended the capacity again. Tonight will be a great discussion about usability testing lead by IxD practitioners and specialized testers alike and a fantastic spread of food and wine from our hosts at HUGE. Check out the Evite

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Navigation problem

2008-06-25 Thread ELISABETH HUBERT
The first thing that came to my mind was that the rollover should be kept, but I think it will ultimately depend on your intended user base. I'm thinking that keeping the rollover allows the user to preview other areas while within another. So if I'm clicked in one part and rollover another the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Navigation problem

2008-06-25 Thread Jack Moffett
On Jun 25, 2008, at 9:26 AM, Nancy Roberts wrote: Any ideas or best practices suggestions I can return to my team with? Nancy, The visual representation of the selected state should differ from the roll-over state. For example, if you are changing the color of the item to bright orange

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menu Spotted on the Web

2008-06-25 Thread Jerome Ryckborst
www.Chipotle.com had a pie menu for years, made of a circle of taco chips, but on their most recent site iteration the main nav menu's gone drop-down. Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! To post to this list

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Lee McIvor
I find the responses of most on this thread a little surprising. Many seem to hark back to the old reactions to UCD and other, similar processes - that it stunts creativity, makes it a slave to process etc etc. Then of course there are the anecdotes that are getting thrown in as if they

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menu Spotted on the Web

2008-06-25 Thread Michael Alexander
I've always followed the mantra, Tell Show. Always. The menu could be that much more effective if they included the text along with the icons. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=30716

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Robert Hoekman Jr
The past is filled with far more examples of products, innovative thinking, and success stories based on activity-centered research, magic, genius design, and just plain *luck* than UCD can claim even on its best day. How do you know this? Where is your data? Do you know what UCD has

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menu Spotted on the Web

2008-06-25 Thread Oleh Kovalchuke
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Michael Alexander [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always followed the mantra, Tell Show. Always. The menu could be that much more effective if they included the text along with the icons. Icons often violate visibility principle: their meaning is not visible

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Jun 25, 2008, at 8:49 AM, Lee McIvor wrote: UCD is a process that aids creativity and avoids waste, no-one has ever claimed it's a guarantee of brilliant products - just the same as employing a designer doesn't guarantee good design. I'm going to be blunt: The only people I've ever

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Robert Hoekman Jr
In the referenced article, you say: Do you think Google's home page was designed for a specific set of user types? At *An Event Apart* today, Jeffrey Veen said, essentially, yes--he didn't show personas, per se, but he did show pictures of and described target user types that sure sounded a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Jun 25, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Terry Fitzgerald wrote: Going back to school may improve their design skills. It certainly will not necessarily improve their understanding of what to design! I'll let the folks who have taken heavy industrial design courses defend themselves here. Every

[IxDA Discuss] any ideas for icon research?

2008-06-25 Thread Jim Reed
I need to prepare a strategy document for a large financial client that explores appropriate visual metaphors for paperless billing or e-statements in a global context. I will include a competitive icon audit, but I'm not finding a lot of icons for paperless billing. The biggest challenge

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menu Spotted on the Web

2008-06-25 Thread Laura Francis
Oops! When I read the title of this post this is what came to mind... http://www.simplesimonspies.co.uk/menu_pies.htm Guess I got the wrong end of the stick! Laura PS - I wanted to link to this site, but cos its flash I couldnt link you to the menu! http://www.pieminister.co.uk/ They are local

Re: [IxDA Discuss] any ideas for icon research?

2008-06-25 Thread Chauncey Wilson
I would recommend that you conduct a metaphor brainstorming session on your topic and then list the criteria that are important and narrow the list down. When you do the metaphor brainstorming, you'll come up with ideas that you can use when you work with a visual designer. The other things you

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Looking for good examples of 3D interfaces

2008-06-25 Thread Angel Marquez
http://k2.inavi.com/ On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:21 AM, Paul Sherman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I cited some 3D apps in my March Uxmatters article; see http://uxmatters.com/MT/archives/000271.php for some vids links. Paul Sherman -Original Message- Am looking for some good examples

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Terry Fitzgerald
Going back to school may improve their design skills. It certainly will not necessarily improve their understanding of what to design! On 6/25/08, Andrei Herasimchuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 25, 2008, at 8:49 AM, Lee McIvor wrote: UCD is a process that aids creativity and avoids

[IxDA Discuss] [PLUG] Adaptive Path's UX Week 2008; Fundamentals, Service, Play, and The Future

2008-06-25 Thread Peter Merholz
IxDA folks-- A plug for Adaptive Path's UX Week 2008, taking place August 12-15 in San Francisco. http://uxweek.com/ Early registration ends June 30. Each day covers a distinct aspect of UX design and practice: * Day 1: Fundamentals of User Experience * Day 2: Service and Media Design

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menu Spotted on the Web

2008-06-25 Thread Vijay Hanumolu
Guess, the following may be little off topic. But thought I will bring this up: Is the advent of Pie menus a cause of increased use of circular selection dials in our day-to-day electronics? Like iPods, Cellphones, digital cameras, camcoders, etc. Is this more trying to get along with the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] any ideas for icon research?

2008-06-25 Thread steve . schang
Maybe approach the icon creation from how people view their paper statements. Just create a statement icon. Why differentiate paper versus online? Do people really make a distinction between a paper statement and an online statement? Isn't an online statement just a digital version of the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] [off-topic] work for equity

2008-06-25 Thread Jay Morgan
Hi Gabriel, Use a sliding scale weighted towards pay in the present and towards equity in the future. Get the agreement in writing. A bit more detail: It's a new venture, so you want to realize some short-term value now and as you progress. Getting paid today means that if they have to close the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Jun 25, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Terry Fitzgerald wrote: If I asked any of these folks or you to go out and buy me a car - could you decide without asking me (the U in UCD) what kind of car meets my needs? You're missing the point. Have you taken an industrial design class? -- Andrei

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Terry Fitzgerald
If I asked any of these folks or you to go out and buy me a car - could you decide without asking me (the U in UCD) what kind of car meets my needs? On 6/25/08, Andrei Herasimchuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 25, 2008, at 10:33 AM, Terry Fitzgerald wrote: Going back to school may improve

Re: [IxDA Discuss] any ideas for icon research?

2008-06-25 Thread Scott Green
Sorry..but I can't resist this one. As a former Northern Californian, I could imagine an icon that depicts an Earth First fanatic camping out high atop an old growth redwood tree to protest cutting said tree down for paper to be used for commerce such as paper statements. Things sure are

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Chris Hunter
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 3:17 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jun 25, 2008, at 12:35 PM, Terry Fitzgerald wrote: If I asked any of these folks or you to go out and buy me a car - could you decide without asking me (the U in UCD) what kind of car meets my needs? You're

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Uday Gajendar
Yep. True... When I did my ID degree at Michigan, we took a Design Research course, and the concerns of people-context-tasks were woven into the studio projects, particularly the upper level ones (lower level were typical form studies, tools/materials, shop experience). Most of that

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Uday Gajendar
On Jun 25, 2008, at 8:07 AM, Andrei Herasimchuk wrote: You want a framework? Go take a design class. Simple as that as far as I'm concerned. Two personal anecdotes from design school: 1) My first graphic design class, I remember trying to get the hang of compositional space and laying

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Jared Spool
Damn. I'm so glad I didn't get sucked into this discussion. Since my name was cited in the original post, I did want to suggest that I've been talking about this problem for years. Most recently, I wrote about it here: Surviving Our Success: Three Radical Recommendations

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread J. Ambrose Little
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Andrei Herasimchuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Design is not about having a set of standard techniques that you follow blindly. Similarly, playing music is not about just hitting notes on whatever instrument you play. If you want predictability or reliability

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread J. Ambrose Little
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:39 AM, dave malouf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ambrose, I would ask you why have any sort of centrism at all? I also think there is a big difference between ethics and design methods frameworks, no? I may choose one based on my ethical underpinnings, but first should

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Robert Hoekman Jr
As for the people who pay the checks? All they care about is getting a great product. If you design great stuff they don't care how you did it. Guaranteed. Andrei, I caution you against making broad generalizations like this. Actually, I completely agree with Andrei's statement. I've

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread J. Ambrose Little
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Jared Spool [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since my name was cited in the original post, I did want to suggest that I've been talking about this problem for years. Most recently, I wrote about it here: Surviving Our Success: Three Radical Recommendations

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread J. Ambrose Little
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 10:38 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the people who pay the checks? All they care about is getting a great product. If you design great stuff they don't care how you did it. Guaranteed. Andrei, I caution you against making broad

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Is UCD Really Broken?

2008-06-25 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Jun 25, 2008, at 6:54 PM, J. Ambrose Little wrote: On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 11:07 AM, Andrei Herasimchuk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As for the people who pay the checks? All they care about is getting a great product. If you design great stuff they don't care how you did it. Guaranteed.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] Pie Menu Spotted on the Web

2008-06-25 Thread John Chin
When I saw pie menu, I immediately thought of the pie menus designed at the University of Maryland by Don Hopkins et. al. https://drum.umd.edu/dspace/handle/1903/442 The website didn't seem to be the same kind of interaction that I had expected. I guess there are different definitions of what a