Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-23 Thread Pauric
Michael Andrews: How can one hope to develop fresh and immediate feeling UIs when the planform one uses is so out of date? I agree with you that OS X is the best consumer OS currently available. I'm not sure I agree with the argument that the medium in which something is expressed has such a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-22 Thread Michael Andrews
I am not sure that productivity should be the litmus test of the business case. Not only would hard it be hard to demonstrate productivity, it wouldn't address core issues of quality. The best reason to use a Mac is that MS Windows is dull and uninspiring. Ditto for Visio. Maybe Microsoft will

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-22 Thread live
For *you* it may be dull and uninspiring. On Feb 22, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Michael Andrews wrote: I am not sure that productivity should be the litmus test of the business case. Not only would hard it be hard to demonstrate productivity, it wouldn't address core issues of quality. The best

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-22 Thread Scott McDaniel
I think it can be understood that people aren't exactly describing objective principles of Truth. On Sun, Feb 22, 2009 at 7:58 PM, live human.factor@gmail.com wrote: For *you* it may be dull and uninspiring. On Feb 22, 2009, at 4:49 PM, Michael Andrews wrote: I am not sure that

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-21 Thread pauric
Amy Alex, I appreciate your feedback on http://www.graffletopia.com/stencils/414 I do tend to agree with you that its too sketchy for pdf usage. It was the product of a discussion I had with a paper prototyping purist, my argument was that its easier in the long term to create artifacts on a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-20 Thread Todd Zaki Warfel
On Feb 19, 2009, at 12:08 PM, Amy Silvers wrote: It's just that OmniGraffle does everything more elegantly Like having real pages to navigate between pages rather than tabs? Cheers! Todd Zaki Warfel President, Design Researcher Messagefirst | Designing Information. Beautifully.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-20 Thread Todd Zaki Warfel
On Feb 19, 2009, at 2:10 PM, mark schraad wrote: but when a new version comes out, you just buy it again, rather than upgrade. MS Office upgrade was $129. iWork upgrade or repurchase for the new model was $79. So, Apple just uses the same price for a new as an upgrade. It's a simpler

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-20 Thread Todd Zaki Warfel
Ain't that the truth. The CS suite is a significant amount of money in whole, but when you look at it per product you receive, it's a great value. Still not cheap, however. But agreed, totally worth it. On Feb 20, 2009, at 8:34 AM, Will Evans wrote: Except for Adobe Cheers! Todd Zaki

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-19 Thread John M. Morse
Currently our UX team are PC-based and use Visio. I would like to move back to Mac and start using Omnigraffle again. Simple question, Why? John Morse Information Architect Professional Services Group UPA,Prince 2, ISEB IT Architect, AIIM, MBCS Eduserv innovative technology services

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-19 Thread Nik Lazell
of creating clickable PDF's in Omnigraffle has meant I prefer to work in a mac environment these days. Thanks, Nik -Original Message- From: John M. Morse [mailto:john.mo...@eduserv.org.uk] Sent: 19 February 2009 14:00 To: Nik Lazell; IXDA list Subject: RE: [IxDA Discuss] A business case

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-19 Thread Alex Horstmann
I was very pleased to see that Konigi are working on a sketchy stencil - it was one of the reasons why I prefer Visio, I'll certainly be looking at Omnigraffle again once this is out. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-19 Thread Amy Silvers
There's already a sketchy stencil for Omnigraffle. http://www.graffletopia.com/stencils/414 I've also followed Michael Angeles's tips for making your own, and I'm pleased with the results so far. 2009/2/19 Alex Horstmann a.horstm...@gmail.com: I was very pleased to see that Konigi are working

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-19 Thread Alex Horstmann
Hi Amy, Thanks! I did look at that, but I just didn't click with it. Sorry that that's not an objective reason - perhaps it's a little *too* sketchy! The exporting to a clickable PDF is a really big factor for Omnigraffles though. Cheers! Alex 2009/2/19 Amy Silvers ahack...@gmail.com

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-19 Thread Vishal Iyer
I was an existing PC user I switched to a Mac (had an option to choose either) primarily for Omnigraffle. Also, I find Adobe CS a lot faster on a Mac. Though I'm not entirely sure about this- I think that a PC with comparable performance for tools that most UX designers use is going to run almost

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-19 Thread Amy Silvers
Yeah, I can see how the sketchy stencil from Graffletopia wouldn't be for everybody. I've used it when I needed something quick and didn't have time to create my own, but it is a little limited. Having used both Visio and OmniGraffle extensively, I can't say that OG is exponentially better than

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-19 Thread mark schraad
if it comes from Apple, software is relatively inexpensive the first time around, but when a new version comes out, you just buy it again, rather than upgrade. It is a slightly different pricing model that lowers the hurdle of switching platforms (in either direction btw). But they are fairly

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-18 Thread Chauncey Wilson
As an aside, it would be interesting to have Mac devotees list the negative aspects of the Mac or a person who uses both the PC and Mac highlight the differences. I use both a Mac and PC, everyday, and find the single menu on the Mac antiquated (it fits the philosopy of the original Mac and has

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-18 Thread Patrick Neeman
Somewhere, somehow, you have to highlight the efficiencies of Omnigraffle over Visio, and show that it costs the company money. If you're working for a consultancy, that's going to make it even harder because usually they bill that back to the client. I recently worked for a company that was

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-18 Thread Dan Brown
Nik, A couple thoughts: How much do you have to share files with other members of your team? Do your developers read the Visio files or can they work from PDFs? If collaboration is important, the latest version of Graffle does open Visio files nicely. For the documentation consulting side of

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-18 Thread Alex Horstmann
Hi Nik, I am a huge Mac fan and Mac laptops are a great machines to use - especially for guerrilla testing using Silverback, giving presentations using Keynote and general day to day work. However, I feel that Visio is a far more powerful tool for producing UX deliverables. I love Omnigraffle,

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-18 Thread Nik Lazell
From: Dan Brown [mailto:brownor...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 February 2009 12:03 To: Nik Lazell Cc: IXDA list Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac Nik, A couple thoughts: How much do you have to share files with other members of your team? Do your developers read the Visio

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-18 Thread Andrei Herasimchuk
On Feb 18, 2009, at 2:25 AM, Nik Lazell wrote: Currently our UX team are PC-based and use Visio. I would like to move back to Mac and start using Omnigraffle again. There is no reason to switch to a Mac if your only goal is to use Omnigraffle. That's like asking your spouse that you'

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-18 Thread Nik Lazell
Hi Jennifer, Thanks very much that kind of structure is fantastically helpful! -Nik From: jennifer.r.vign...@jpmorgan.com [mailto:jennifer.r.vign...@jpmorgan.com] Sent: 18 February 2009 15:08 To: Nik Lazell Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac Hi Nik

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-18 Thread charles Sue-Wah-Sing
First of all I have no love for Microsoft. I once relied heavily on Visio but I find Graffle satisfies 95% of what I need to do. I also have an understanding that MS is the necessary bitter pill that comes with this business. So putting that aside... When we started up our business a couple of

Re: [IxDA Discuss] A business case for switching Mac

2009-02-18 Thread Alexandra O'Neal
Our creative team likewise live in a Mac world, in a company dominated by PCs. The IAs have VMware to switch back forth and use Visio. Comparing VMware to Parallels, one of our top IAs reports preferring Parallels because it feels more like you're running a Windows app in an OS X environment, so