Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel [wrong heading - Jaiku ]

2007-11-22 Thread Adrian Howard
On 21 Nov 2007, at 19:35, Susie Robson wrote: You are right. I should have said, based on your personas, you should know which applications or browsers your users use and if they are primarily Windows users, even on a web page, you should follow Windows conventions. [snip] Even when (as

Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel

2007-11-22 Thread Jim Drew
This doesn't surprise me. Enter (and other keyboard actions to activate form/dialog controls) are a power user activity. (So I'll bet no one exited with Esc or tabbed through controls, either.) There's a level of trust (for lack of a better word) that has to be established before users

Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel

2007-11-21 Thread Brian Hoffman
-Original Message- I think Luke W's article (posted on this thread previously) answers a lot of our questions based on research and statistical data. Primary button should be on the left, secondary button on the right. Buttons should be left aligned. -Juan [Brian Hoffman]

Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel

2007-11-21 Thread Luke Wroblewski
All of the participants (23) used the buttons on all of the options (6). So 138 times out of 138 tested, no on used hit Enter to complete a form. The options we chose were based off an audit of Web forms not desktop apps. Hence why you don't see some of the variations you are asking

Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel

2007-11-21 Thread Luke Wroblewski
saw some but much higher amount of primary button on the right alone. Or primary button on the right secondary action on the left (of the page). We didn't test the first, cause no secondary action. We tested the second. On Nov 21, 2007, at 11:16 AM, Todd Zaki Warfel wrote: On the web

Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel

2007-11-21 Thread Todd Zaki Warfel
Got it. Looking at the results, looks like you focused on transaction based sites. Any specific type (e.g. shopping, account management, travel, hotel booking)? What was the make up of the sites you sampled for the models for testing? Also wondering if these were UK vs. US or another

Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel [wrong heading - Jaiku ]

2007-11-21 Thread Susie Robson
: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:30 PM To: IxDA Discuss Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel [wrong heading - Jaiku ] Susie wrote I have not done extensive research but the standard has usually been: If it's a PC, Ok is on the left, Cancel on the right If it's a Mac, Cancel is on the left, OK

Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel

2007-11-21 Thread Luke Wroblewski
US. e-commerce, registration, data entry mix. On Nov 21, 2007, at 11:31 AM, Todd Zaki Warfel wrote: Got it. Looking at the results, looks like you focused on transaction based sites. Any specific type (e.g. shopping, account management, travel, hotel booking)? What was the make up of the

Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel [wrong heading - Jaiku ]

2007-11-20 Thread Susie Robson
this way, it makes sense to be consistent. Susie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Juan Ruiz Sent: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:58 PM To: Prasad Perera; IxDA Discuss Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel [wrong heading - Jaiku ] Prasad, This has

Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel [wrong heading - Jaiku ]

2007-11-20 Thread Adrian Howard
On 20 Nov 2007, at 01:26, Bryan Minihan wrote: For performance reasons, we almost always settled on OK on the left, Cancel on the right in web forms. It sped up completion of the form (in tests) by being the first button you wind up on when you tab out of the last field (saves a

Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel [wrong heading - Jaiku ]

2007-11-20 Thread Bryan Minihan
and should are 2 diff things... Bryan http://www.bryanminihan.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adrian Howard Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:56 AM To: IxDA Discuss Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel [wrong heading - Jaiku ] On 20

Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel [wrong heading - Jaiku ]

2007-11-20 Thread Faith Peterson
Luke W's article (linked to earlier in this thread) was good. Given that placing the buttons at the bottom right of the form is the least usable position, I wonder if the rule OK on the left if buttons are left align, OK on the right if right aligned illuminates anything. Are things placed

Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel [wrong heading - Jaiku ]

2007-11-20 Thread zack Frazier
There was a great presentation that addressed this question given by Luke Wroblewski at this summer's An Event Apart in Chicago. Best Practices For Form Design presents the analysis of eye tracking data to conclude that these things do matter. I posted the PDF handout for anyone interested.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel [wrong heading - Jaiku ]

2007-11-20 Thread Juan Ruiz
Susie wrote I have not done extensive research but the standard has usually been: If it's a PC, Ok is on the left, Cancel on the right If it's a Mac, Cancel is on the left, OK is on the right This assumption is correct if we are designing desktop applications. But, what about online apps? We

Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel [wrong heading - Jaiku ]

2007-11-20 Thread Todd Zaki Warfel
Except that that research didn't test one of the most common models found in application design over the past couple decades: primary button at the right, secondary at the left with buttons aligned to the bottom right corner. Just about every other model available was tested as shown in

Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel [wrong heading - Jaiku ]

2007-11-19 Thread Bryan Minihan
: Monday, November 19, 2007 7:58 PM To: Prasad Perera; IxDA Discuss Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] OK/Cancel [wrong heading - Jaiku ] Prasad, This has been a conversation that has been posted in the IxDA and SIGLIA mailing lists many times, and it has come to this: it depends. I am in favor of the action