Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-10-20 Thread Jack Gilvey
I picked up another Touch before the prices went up after hearing of the product's demise and being unimpressed with the UE line. Really nothing like it. May set it up at my mom's as a MOG device rather than just leaving it in the box. She'll love it. :-)

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-10-20 Thread jezbo
I've had just one SB3 for years. But since the announcement of the end of the product line I've bought a used Boom and a Duet as backup, and have my eye out for good deals on a new Touch. This lot should last til some viable alternative system comes onto the market - such an alternative must have

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-10-20 Thread briggy
Got 3 SB3 (2 spare still boxed up), boom, receiver and touch bought as a blemished box (but in prestine condition) for £100 about a year ago. briggy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4827 View this

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-10-17 Thread ply3908
Mnyb wrote: Consider the used market , but wait a year or two the prices are very high rigth now, would be lower when all but the enthusiast forgot the squeezeboxes :-/ Got a Touch couple months ago from Amazon for $239. Got a SB1 for $30 and a Boom for $100 from Craigslist last couple

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-10-17 Thread Mnyb
ply3908 wrote: Got a Touch couple months ago from Amazon for $239. Got a SB1 for $30 and a Boom for $100 from Craigslist last couple weeks. Cool :) the SB1 may not be the most useful has some limits but for 30$ ok . Go for SB2 and onwards . But as collectors item I would like an Slimp3 and

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-10-16 Thread Pascal Hibon
Apart from the SB’s in use (one SB 3, one SB Boom, one SB Radio and one SB Touch) I won’t be buying any spare units. As much as I hate it, the Squeezebox product is dead since the manufacturer dropped it. If for some reason my Touch (the SB in the main listening area) would die premature then I

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-10-16 Thread gorman
I have currently five units on my network. Three Booms, 1 SB2, 1 SB3. I have 1 Boom and 1 SB2 in storage. What SBs offer is still with no alternatives on the market, IMHO. gorman's Profile:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-10-16 Thread Mnyb
Pascal Hibon wrote: And, I’m still too pissed at Logitech to feed them anymore of my money. Consider the used market , but wait a year or two the prices are very high rigth now, would be lower when all but the enthusiast forgot the squeezeboxes :-/

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-10-13 Thread blackbear
kidstypike wrote: You can control any of your Squeezeboxes with the Touch, Radio or Controller. Thanks, kidstypike! That's pretty neat and makes me consider getting a Touch to use solely for controlling my TP, actually..

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-22 Thread batka
caseyse wrote: Well. I have 4 Transporters in use with 3 spare. Uhmmm, you won indeed the hard core award :) batka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12908 View this thread:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-22 Thread caseyse
batka wrote: Uhmmm, you won indeed the hard core award :) I suspect I'm a contender, but I haven't won yet. Logitech continues to sell Transporters, and I'm sure others are stocking up for what looks to be a long drought in quality server based network music players.

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-20 Thread caseyse
Well. I have 4 Transporters in use with 3 spare. 2 Radios in use with 4 spare. 4 new Receivers and 2 used but taken out of service. Several Controllers. I'm keeping the Transporters and Radios, but have begun unloading the Receivers on *bay. Prior to using Squeezboxes, I had 8 Rio

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-20 Thread garym
Wow. 7 transporters with 3 of them as spares. You win the 'hard core' award. ;-) garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-17 Thread reinholdk
RonM wrote: Buy. It's only money Thanks Ron, I followed your advice and ordered my spare Touch, although I'm still thinking it's quite paranoid to buy a Touch as a spare. :-) If my Touch in use runs as long as the only CD player I ever bought (a Denon, bought 25 years ago and used daily

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-17 Thread Mnyb
reinholdk wrote: Thanks Ron, I followed your advice and ordered my spare Touch, although I'm still thinking it's quite paranoid to buy a Touch as a spare. :-) If my Touch in use runs as long as the only CD player I ever bought (a Denon, bought 25 years ago and used daily until the Touch

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-16 Thread Otto-Wilhelm
Currently I have in use: 1 Transporter + 1 Touch for controlling the Transporter 1 SB3 5 Radios I had 1 spare SB3, to which I added now as spares: 3 Touch 5 Radio It is a pity that no Transporters are available any more. I missed to buy a spare one. With my spares, I think that i can carry

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-16 Thread dsdreamer
3 x Touch (1 for Audio-only paired with a nice DAC, 1 for main AV system, 1 for bedside headphone listening) 1 x Receiver (bonus room) The recent bad news caused me to add one additional Touch, which is the one connected to the AV system. I can't see hardware component failure being much of an

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-16 Thread blackbear
I only have a humpe Classic as a spare for my Transporter. And I have a Boom in my bedroom. I really like the old VFD displays, and do not like the Logitech era models as much, but I'm considering picking up a Touch and a Radio as backups. Otto-Wilhelm wrote: 1 Transporter + 1 Touch for

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-16 Thread kidstypike
blackbear wrote: I only have a humpe Classic as a spare for my Transporter. And I have a Boom in my bedroom. I really like the old VFD displays, and do not like the Logitech era models as much, but I'm considering picking up a Touch and a Radio as backups. That was a new solution to

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-16 Thread sc53
3 x SB3 (1 as a spare, others in use) 1 Boom (still good after 5 yrs) 2 x Touch (one just bought on Amazon for a spare) 1 Controller with 3 cradles (not in use thanks to iPeng) I will use LMS and SB for as long as electricity and parts keep functioning. Nothing else works as well (thanks to

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-16 Thread Jeff52
Many but I really see no real purpose in setting forth the information because I don't think it is of any interest to anyone. If it really is I'm sorry I didn't post the information. Jeff52's Profile:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-15 Thread reinholdk
I have 1 Touch and 1 Radio in use. Since I was thinking about buying another Radio for quite a while now, I just bought 2 more Radios of which I'll put one aside as a spare. (BTW, Amazon.de currently offers 20% discount if you buy 2 items from a selected list of Logitech products.) But I'm in

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-15 Thread RonM
Buy. It's only money; you'll have your medium-term security, and nothing will prevent you from acquiring future products in the future (if and when they meet your needs). R. RonM's Profile:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-14 Thread bomboloni
After reading all the posts here I realize I am severely deficient in squeezeboxes. The first and only Squeezebox I purchased is a Duet which I've had for more than three years. I'm confident someone will eventually come in address the gap in products that Logitech is leaving behind, however I

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-14 Thread johtem
I Bought 1 Touch for spare and a extra Radio. In the Netherlands, last days the availability of the Touch decreases rapidly. The cheapest web merchants are sold out or have an unknown delevery time. johtem's Profile:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-14 Thread epoch1970
unclemat wrote: 2x SB2 (both are spares, most likely future VFD donors for the Transporter) Sigh. What a sorry mess they made out of fine products and good customers. epoch1970's Profile:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-13 Thread callesoroe
Benefactor wrote: What I mean is extra units you purchased as backups in case one of your older units fails? I have two Booms, and a Classic3 that have been running for around 4 years, I guess. Just picked up a Touch as a backup unit the other day...have no place to plug it in right

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-13 Thread nervoteso
i've 3 touch, 1 radio, 2 boom. i've 1 classic and 1 duet as spares. also i've just bought one radio and 1 touch more. nervoteso's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30262 View this thread:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-13 Thread unclemat
I have: 1x Transporter 4x Boom (1 is spare) 2x Touch (1 is spare) 1x Radio 2x SB3 2x SB2 I think I'll pick up another Touch... unclemat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33372 View this thread:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-10 Thread 05mattjax
330791877767 eBay. 05mattjax's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39786 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198 ___ discuss

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-08 Thread epoch1970
I just spotted this on ebay.com: new in box slimdevices sb3. Item # 150895915735 Ships to the US only (haven't asked in fact.) It still possible to find SB3s… epoch1970's Profile:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-06 Thread cege
1 SB3 classic, which was replaced by a Touch, is now my only spare unit. I'm looking for another Touch and I'm waiting for people giving up the sequeezebox series, once the news have been spreaded wide. But probably a lot of other people are thinking similar ;)

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-06 Thread yeomanspc
jp73 wrote: I just bought 2 SB3 classics, new in box just as spares... wow - they have been as rare as rocking horse sh*t - especially new. A good buy - many believe they were the best. I just picked up a touch and radio, so I am done - can't see me needing to change or buy anything else now

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-05 Thread batka
I had 2 Classics, one was used, and one is just a spare. But now I purchased a Touch, for safety reasons, and now it's used, so the other 2 Classics are backup now. Actually at this moment I more like the Classic , and not the Touch.

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-09-05 Thread jp73
I just bought 2 SB3 classics, new in box just as spares... jp73's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34285 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-31 Thread pallfreeman
yeomanspc wrote: I'm minded to buy one more touch but Amazon in the UK are sold out and others have them at a premium right now. How do you know Amazon UK are sold out? If it's the long delivery estimate, I think that's just because they ship them from various places in Europe, rather than

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-31 Thread Mushroom_3
In Use: 2 Touches 2 Radios 1 Boom Spare: 1 Touch 1 SB3 + the SB3 my son has. Mushroom_3's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13434 View this thread:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-31 Thread RonM
I have in active duty: 1 x Transporter (main device) 1 x Duet 2 x Booms 2 x Controllers (counting the one that's part of the Duet), plus the controller app for my BlackBerry tablet I have as spares: 1 x Receiver (part of a Duet, but the Controller is being used with the Transporter and

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-31 Thread Grumpy Bob
RonM wrote: After an initial bout of mild panic and distress, I'm getting more sanguine about the situation. I personally seldom use the streaming services (although I do very much like the CBC Music service, which is mostly linked from the Internet Radio presets). It's my ripped

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-31 Thread andynormancx
pallfreeman wrote: How do you know Amazon UK are sold out? If it's the long delivery estimate, I think that's just because they ship them from various places in Europe, rather than keeping any UK stocks. I've had that with several toys I've ordered recently, and they never take that long

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-31 Thread Mnyb
Swedes may look here for example http://www.prisjakt.nu/produkt.php?p=460015 A plethora of web-shops and physical stores still have squeezeboxes , so get them while they are there . Mnyb's Profile:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-31 Thread RonM
I am more than a little amused at myself. I've just bought a *second* replacement Touch, and have a surfeit of replacements available now. See above. I remember back a few years I had an Olympus 2200 camera, great little thing, state of the art at one time. It used SMC cards, and I heard

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-31 Thread Benefactor
I've been known to buy a few extra shirts if they fit, and are constructed well. I can't remember another instance of buying redundant spare pieces of electronic gear...the whole thing is kind of amusing. As a testament to the power of the squeezebox, my wife saw the two boxed extra Touch units

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-31 Thread TheLastMan
Benefactor wrote: What I mean is extra units you purchased as backups in case one of your older units fails? I have two Booms, and a Classic3 that have been running for around 4 years, I guess. Just picked up a Touch as a backup unit the other day...have no place to plug it in right

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-31 Thread musicom
Four Slim Devices Squeezebox 3 (one decommissioned and now a spare with Touch purchase) Two Duets (one in box as spare) One Touch Two Controllers (used with Touch SB3) musicom's Profile:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-31 Thread sander
I have a Radio I only use when visiting my parents as well as a spare sb3 and an sb1 if it ever comes to that. I never picked up a touch, because I until recently I was running too old a server version to support it, and I really don't have room (or more specifically a room) for it. I was hoping

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-31 Thread pallfreeman
andynormancx wrote: Their Usually dispatched within 1 - 2 months often (but not always) means we'll never get any more stock, but no one has taken the time to confirm that and remove our price from the item yet. Go on, destroy another happy delusion... as if it isn't bad enough already... :P

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-31 Thread WilCox
Just purchased a spare Transporter two weeks ago. I also have a spare SB3 in the box as well as a Boom. Currently using Transporter, Touch (2), SB3 (3) Radio fed by 4TB QNAP NAS. WilCox's Profile:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-30 Thread hvb83
I'm not sure what to do, buy a spare unit or not. Especially since I'm moving to a bigger house in a couple of months and might find some good use for an additional player then. We've seen that SB models got very expensive in the past once the stocks dried out, so buying a Touch right now won't

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-30 Thread bwaldron
I have a Radio, SB2 and Classic in use, and another boxed Classic as a spare (I also have an SB1 that is in storage, but don't really consider it a spare given some hardware/firmware limitations). I'm torn between picking up another spare and biting the bullet -- trying to sell off my equipment

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-30 Thread lrossouw
I have 2xSB3s and 2xTouches. The 2xSB3s aren't in use (one dead). Was thinking of activating the remaining one just the other day. These devices do die and people move to bigger houses, get kids etc. lrossouw's Profile:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-30 Thread rayman1701
I just ordered another Touch after seeing all the news here today. Been meaning to do so for a while and just hadn't gotten to it, but wanted to get one before the price starts heading up and stock dwindles. Heck there have been times before all this that the Touch was somewhat hard to find, so

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-30 Thread travelfotografer
Is this a ploy to make us buy more squeezeboxes? travelfotografer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=48355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-30 Thread ply3908
4 radios and 1 Touch. Just bough a Touch. Amazon ordering page said less than 10 available, more coming soon. ply3908's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38634 View this thread:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-30 Thread ralphy
In Use 2 SB3 silver wired only - Slim Devices 1 SB3 white - Slim Devices 1 Boom In Box 1 SB3 black - Logitech 1 Boom 1 Touch ralphy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3484 View this thread:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-30 Thread yeomanspc
I have a spare Touch and (don't laugh) 2 old Slimp3's which are ok for the workshop / garage. In use, 3x touch, 2x radio, 1 slimp3, 4 duets, 3 SB2 and 1SB3. I figure they'll work for another 5 years or more, by which time who knows where we'll be on technology. I'm minded to buy one more

[slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread Benefactor
What I mean is extra units you purchased as backups in case one of your older units fails? I have two Booms, and a Classic3 that have been running for around 4 years, I guess. Just picked up a Touch as a backup unit the other day...have no place to plug it in right now, but my gut tells me that

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread pippin
A Touch and a Classic. Plus a Boom and a Radio I only use for testing. pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread Grumpy Bob
Benefactor wrote: What I mean is extra units you purchased as backups in case one of your older units fails? I have two Booms, and a Classic3 that have been running for around 4 years, I guess. Just picked up a Touch as a backup unit the other day...have no place to plug it in right

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread kidstypike
Benefactor wrote: What I mean is extra units you purchased as backups in case one of your older units fails? I have two Booms, and a Classic3 that have been running for around 4 years, I guess. Just picked up a Touch as a backup unit the other day...have no place to plug it in right

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread gharris999
In regular use: 1 Slimdevices era Transporter, 1 Logitech era Boom Spares: 1 Slimdevices era wired SB1g 1 Simdevices era SB2 1 Simdevcies era SB3 1 Logitech era Transporter SE 3 SBControllers 1 SBRadio + battery pack 3 SBTouches Dead: 2 SBReceivers Anyone want to guess what the useful life

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread Mnyb
I have at least one boxed never used Touch ( may be 2 ,ill check my closet ) and my old used duet (reciever + controller) and my old SB3 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread garym
Spares (still in box): 2 TOUCH players, 1 Radio. May buy one more of each. as I noted in another thread, I'll now remove from boxes and setup initially, as I want to make sure each has the latest firmware (and that process might not be available 5 years from now when a current TOUCH breaks

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread Benefactor
garym wrote: Spares (still in box): 2 TOUCH players, 1 Radio. May buy one more of each. as I noted in another thread, I'll now remove from boxes and setup initially, as I want to make sure each has the latest firmware (and that process might not be available 5 years from now when a

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread garym
Benefactor wrote: I was going to ask about this. Initially I was going to leave the spare Touch boxed, and sealed...but I think it makes a lot more sense to make sure it is set up correctly, before putting it away for long-term safekeeping. I suppose you can get copies of the firmware

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread Benefactor
garym wrote: Damn I sound paranoid, like I'm preparing for living in a cave after a nuclear war. Gotta have my squeeze players even then. ;-) I'm right there with you. After looking at the initial responses in this thread, I'm thinking I might not have enough backup squeezeboxes with only

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread garym
Benefactor wrote: I'm right there with you. After looking at the initial responses in this thread, I'm thinking I might not have enough backup squeezeboxes with only one. Logitech will sell more TOUCH units this week than the last 6 months. ;-)

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread andynormancx
In use: 3 x Boom 1 x Radio 1 x Touch Spares that I ordered today: 2 x Boom 1 x Radio 1 x Touch I also have a Duet that I don't use anymore, need to eBay that. andynormancx's Profile:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread gharris999
garym wrote: Logitech will sell more TOUCH units this week than the last 6 months. ;-) You've got THAT right. gharris999's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=115 View this thread:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread epoch1970
I have 3 running SB3s, and one Boom. And 4 spare SB3s (gave one recently, how stupid is that!). The one thing I miss is a spare Boom… But if things turn really bad there is still friends and family with some players.

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread gharris999
epoch1970 wrote: ...The one thing I miss is a spare Boom…This would do in a pinch: +---+ |Filename: boom_alt.jpg | |Download:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread Jeff Flowerday
I was thinking of buying a spare Touch. But, the newest version of JRemote for iPad looks really nice. I'll start playing with a dedicated little PC running J River Media Center again. Fortunately I don't sync players so I have more options...

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread erland
Benefactor wrote: What I mean is extra units you purchased as backups in case one of your older units fails? I have an extra Touch which has been upgraded to recent firmware but after that been put back in the box. Also have a Boom, a Duet and a Classic which are powered on but I'm not using

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread epoch1970
gharris999 wrote: This would do in a pinch: How much do you want ? (BTW Gordon, maybe, maybe it's time to put srvPowerControl out of BETA ;) ) epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread cncb
If anyone in the U.S. wants to buy a Touch or 2 Radios as lightly used spares (~6 months old) then send me a PM. cncb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8501 View this thread:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread Benefactor
OK - I just got another spare Touch...I'm finally beginning to feel like I'll be able to weather this storm, and come out OK. Benefactor's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25904 View this thread:

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread Wirrunna
Boxed Touch, still sealed (but will unbox, set up and upgrade firmware.) Mothballed - White SlimDevices SB3, Black Logitech SB3 In Use - Server 1 - Touch, 2 Booms, iPeng; Server 2 Touch and 1 Boom, iPeng and OrangeSqueeze

Re: [slim] How many of you have spare squeezeboxes?

2012-08-29 Thread realcodeguy
5 radios, 3 booms, 1 touch and 1 duet. No spares... what will I do... realcodeguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41870 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96198