In my basement on the old ikea towers I used to keep near my CD player
in the old days :)
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cdmackay wrote:
Out of interest, do you save the rear insert from the jewel case, as
well as the booklet?
I do save the rear insert as well. I put all in jewelsleeeves which
are sized perfectly (overpriced but work well and have cabinets that
fit perfectly).
http://jewelsleeve.com/
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I save the back insert only when it is the only place that the list of
songs appears. It can be extremely frustrating to buy a CD only to open
up the booklet and there's no information about what is on the CD.
bomboloni's
If I had a basement or attic, I'd store my CDs in their jewel cases on
open shelving, however I live in Manhattan. With real estate at a
premium, I need my 2000 CDs to take up as little space as possible in
the same cabinet as the stereo. I buy the majority of my music on CDs
and I do this for
bomboloni wrote:
The jewel cases get thrown out and I put the CDs in plastic sleeves
along with the booklet.
Out of interest, do you save the rear insert from the jewel case, as
well as the booklet?
cdmackay's
cdmackay wrote:
Out of interest, do you save the rear insert from the jewel case, as
well as the booklet?
While the question was not directed to me, I have removed all CDs from
their jewel cases and placed the CDs and the booklets into plastic
sleeves. I only saved the rear insert when the
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This reminds me of my BO system and what it used to look like. I got it
because I wanted music in more than one room and it supports their
proprietary multi-room system. It has a built-in radio, and we had a CD
player, cassette player, and record player. To it we connected a large
reel to reel
dustinsterk wrote:
Check out crashplan.com.$60 a year for unlimited backup/cloud
storage.
The problem with the cloud here is that I only have 3Mbs upload. It
would take several months for the initial upload..
bfl
RonM wrote:
(btw, I also archive all my recordings to small portable hard disks, and
rotate in and out of a bank's safety deposit box -- including the
digital downloads, as well as the ripped files. And have two local
backups, which will be dead if a fire takes out my house.)
This is the
TiredLegs wrote:
This is the way to do it. I've lost count of how many portable backup
drives I got (5? 6?). At least one is always off site, and another one
(encrypted) is stashed in my car. I update a couple of them once a month
and rotate 'em around. At some point, I'll get a terabyte of
Sold to the used CD store down the block for pennies on the dollar...
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My CDs are in storage in my basement, in boxes from Staples. The first
batch (digitized when I got my Squeezeboxen) are organized
alphabetically be artist, except for the classical ones which are by
composer, mostly.
I have since added another complete box of new CDs, organized
alphabetically.
zowie wrote:
Aren't they a little taller? They look it from the pic. -Height -
clearance is my problem in switching over from jewel cases. I have
univenture safety sleeves for my cd-r's and they don't fit.
Sorry, just noticed you were replying to me!
They are not noticeably taller. If
amey01 wrote:
Checksum is your friend...it is very simple to test a download with
one of your own CDs, ripped as securely as you please. Checksum both
files and see if there are any differences.
True, but what's the point? I suspect few people are interested in
buying FLAC downloads (or
aubuti wrote:
True, but what's the point? I suspect few people are interested in
buying FLAC downloads (or even getting free FLAC downloads) of tracks
when they already have a copy of the track that they know to be
accurately ripped. In the more common case of downloading tracks that
you
garym wrote:
if you have the complete downloaded FLAC album, you can use Foobar2000
to check the accuraterip match after the fact. May require a component,
I can't recall if I had to install something. Right click on files,
select, utilities, then verify album with accuraterip.
Nice, I
garym wrote:
My concern about FLAC or other lossless purchases is understanding the
chain of creation. I know that mp3 files purchased can have all sorts
of differing codecs used (some better than other, VBR, CBR, ABR, as well
as differing quality codecs to begin with, LAME vs others), and
ralphpnj;696481 Wrote:
Perhaps this would be a way to help fight the Loudness War since most
remasters these days sound absolutely terrible.
If a remaster doesn't sound any better than an earlier version, there
wouldn't be any reason to download it at all.
There's an interesting technical
ralphpnj;696433 Wrote:
Nice but let's change things slightly:
But what if I owned both the vinyl and the CD, ripped the vinyl,
then sold the CD but kept the vinyl?
Now I could chose to listen the vinyl but played via my Squeezebox.
That is no different from just buying the CD and then
Bill Burns;696366 Wrote:
But is it OK to download a pirated rip of an album if you own the vinyl?
I've been pondering this very question myself. What would make sense to
me (although probably not the RIAA) is:
You should be able to legally download a digital version of the same
physical
TheLastMan;696473 Wrote:
That is no different from just buying the CD and then selling it without
ever having ripped it, which is perfectly legal.
You don't own the music, you own the carrier. The point of all this
legislation is to prevent people from listening to music without
TiredLegs;696477 Wrote:
...If the version you download is a remaster, i.e. a different master
than the one you own, payment for the work of the remastering engineer
is the missing piece. As far as I know, remastering engineers do not
get paid a royalty per copy, just a flat fee for doing the
Mnyb;696478 Wrote:
Not so popular old peoples music :) is often sold whole sale when
someone dies and it is often the same old chestnuts from everyone so
also low in price.Chuckle :D
My old chestnuts (LPs and CDs) are now mostly recorded and stored as
FLACs as are my wife's CDs. Having
ralphpnj;696433 Wrote:
Nice but let's change things slightly:
But what if I owned both the vinyl and the CD, ripped the vinyl,
then sold the CD but kept the vinyl?
Now I could chose to listen the vinyl but played via my Squeezebox.
That's definitely a closer call. My feeling is no, but
TheLastMan;696529 Wrote:
Chuckle :D
My old chestnuts (LPs and CDs) are now mostly recorded and stored as
FLACs as are my wife's CDs. Having completed that project my wife now
wants her LPs in digital format. However she didn't look after her LPs
as well as I did mine, to put it mildly!
what's quite surprising about this thread is that it's still going! Rip
your library. Backup up the digital library to a second hard drive and
sell off the discs. done.
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When I first started on the squeezebox journey I ripped to wma lossless
before sometime later converting the 300 or so files to FLAC. Something
stops me selling the CDS. maybe one day I will rip again to FLAC
straight off, this would be though a dull thing to do maybe and a bit
OCD in nature?
exile;696340 Wrote:
Backup up the digital library to a second hard drive and sell off the
discs. done.
There is a body of opinion that says legally you should have physical
media of any files you have (and haven't purchased as digital files).
I'm not criticising, just commenting as I am
Mushroom_3;696344 Wrote:
There is a body of opinion that says legally you should have physical
media of any files you have (and haven't purchased as digital files).
I'm not criticising, just commenting as I am thinking of doing the
same.
correct, in some jurisdictions, it is illegal to
On 3/18/2012 1:56 PM, garym wrote:
Mushroom_3;696344 Wrote:
There is a body of opinion that says legally you should have physical
media of any files you have (and haven't purchased as digital files).
I'm not criticising, just commenting as I am thinking of doing the
same.
Bill Burns;696366 Wrote:
On 3/18/2012 1:56 PM, garym wrote:
Mushroom_3;696344 Wrote:
There is a body of opinion that says legally you should have
physical
media of any files you have (and haven't purchased as digital
files).
I'm not criticising, just commenting as I am
Bill Burns;696366 Wrote:
On 3/18/2012 1:56 PM, garym wrote:
Mushroom_3;696344 Wrote:
There is a body of opinion that says legally you should have
physical
media of any files you have (and haven't purchased as digital
files).
I'm not criticising, just commenting as I am
The rule of law normally comes into play when you offer the music for
sale or use it in a public forum I.E. Youtube and other open forum
sites. No one to my knowledge has been track down by the feds or
industry for just downloading or having large amount of ripped music,
most of the ones that
Recoveryone;696381 Wrote:
The rule of law normally comes into play when you offer the music for
sale or use it in a public forum I.E. Youtube and other open forum
sites. No one to my knowledge has been track down by the feds or
industry for just downloading or having large amount of
I gave some to a friend and all the rest to my brother.
Since I can't buy any music in Flac format I download what I want.
First I paid 25 guilders for a LP, than I paid 40 guilders to get that
same LP in Cd format and now I just stopped supporting them.
(funny enough downloading music isn't
jp73;696400 Wrote:
(funny enough downloading music isn't illegal (yet) in this country)
You may need to qualify that statement. Downloading from a legally
approved site, which means you purchased the download. which covers the
rules of the industry and Federal/International laws covering
ralphpnj;696373 Wrote:
No you have to buy the LP, 8 track, cassette, CD, remastered CD, 180
gram LP, mp3 download, flac download, hi rez download, DVD-Audio, SACD
and each and every format that is, was and will be available. According
to the RIAA you NEVER own the music.
That's really not
On 3/18/2012 9:48 PM, zowie wrote:
You (whoever) bought the CD for the value of its content, not because
you wanted a shiny round ornament. Then you retained the content,
while also resellng it to someone else.
It should be pretty obvious that's not ethical.
Agreed. But what if I owned
Bill Burns;696423 Wrote:
On 3/18/2012 9:48 PM, zowie wrote:
You (whoever) bought the CD for the value of its content, not
because
you wanted a shiny round ornament. Then you retained the content,
while also resellng it to someone else.
It should be pretty obvious that's not
garym;695990 Wrote:
Up to a point I agree with you. Over the years my wife and I have
downsized (on purpose) to smaller and smaller houses. My current house
is 1/4 the size of our home 25 year ago (tiny house in my town, but
would be a decent sized apartment in NYC). And I have, not exactly
I see myself having to go the same route as others here. I like having
a wall of CD's, and I currently have the space for them. But the
future has children in it, and my living space will get small. Storing
them all away will become important.
Unfortunately, the attic option is unrealistic in
zowie;695834 Wrote:
I'm satisfied to put most of my cds away in the attic in their jewel
cases after they've been ripped. That saves even more living space
than bagging them. (More accurately, creates more space for vinyl.)
Plus, (a) I don't think most bags fit in my racks and (b) almost
TheLastMan;695899 Wrote:
I put my cds in the attic in their Jazz Loft sleeves (in boxes), which
saves space in the loft as well as the racks. On your other questions:
a) The Jazz Loft sleeves take up less room than a standard CD case so
will fit in your racks. What is more the spine piece
I've been noticing that more and more CDs these days (70%? 80%?) are
coming in digipaks instead of jewel boxes. So it makes the Jazzloft
sleeves a little less of a slam dunk in terms of shelf space, since I
don't get to use them as much for new material (and I can't easily buy
FLAC files for
mrfantasy;695934 Wrote:
I've been noticing that more and more CDs these days (70%? 80%?) are
coming in digipaks instead of jewel boxes. So it makes the Jazzloft
sleeves a little less of a slam dunk in terms of shelf space, since I
don't get to use them as much for new material (and I can't
Sandwich-sized ziplock bags - much cheaper.
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personally, i like the full CD, in its case, stored on the wall.
to me, saying that you are reclaiming that space is like saying its
time to throw books away b/c u have them on a kindle.
i like a bookshelf with books on it, and i like cd shelves with CDs on
it.
call me old fashioned.
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MrSinatra;695987 Wrote:
personally, i like the full CD, in its case, stored on the wall.
to me, saying that you are reclaiming that space is like saying its
time to throw books away b/c u have them on a kindle.
i like a bookshelf with books on it, and i like cd shelves with CDs on
it.
garym;610306 Wrote:
My concern about FLAC or other lossless purchases is understanding the
chain of creation. I know that mp3 files purchased can have all sorts
of differing codecs used (some better than other, VBR, CBR, ABR, as well
as differing quality codecs to begin with, LAME vs
ralphpnj;609048 Wrote:
Actually in the early days of CDs I took a completely different
approach. I went out and bought myself a very nice turntable (a used
Linn LP12) and while all my friends were busy replacing their vinyl
collections with little silver discs I only bought CDs of new
TheLastMan;601957 Wrote:
The Jazzloft sleeves are brilliant, cannot recommend them too highly.
Well worth the cost of importing them from US. I access them mainly to
refer to the CD booklets.
To me the main problem with digital music is the lack of sleeve notes
and lyrics. If the record
The transition from jewel cases is 90% complete.
'[image: http://zzzone.net/files/bag1s.jpg]'
(http://zzzone.net/files/bag1.jpg)
'[image: http://zzzone.net/files/bag2s.jpg]'
(http://zzzone.net/files/bag2.jpg)
'[image: http://zzzone.net/files/bag3s.jpg]'
(http://zzzone.net/files/bag3.jpg)
I
jimzak;657008 Wrote:
The transition from jewel cases is 90% complete.
I have reclaimed VAST areas of storage. And a lucky camper or two has
gotten some great deals on thousands of slightly used jewel cases.
Win - win :)
By the looks of the photos it would appear that these are before
ralphpnj;657015 Wrote:
By the looks of the photos it would appear that these are before
pictures, or at least work in progress photos. Could you please post
some after photos as well. Thanks!
These pictures ARE AFTER the bagging process. Notice the empty shelves
and shelves with bags.
The
jimzak;657053 Wrote:
These pictures ARE AFTER the bagging process. Notice the empty shelves
and shelves with bags.
The before picture is located in my signature.
The CDs that have not been bagged are in digipacks or other forms of
unique packaging.
Got it however due the small picture
ralphpnj;657057 Wrote:
Got it however due the small picture size it's a little difficult to
make things out clearly.
Did you click on the pictures to see the larger versions?
:)
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jimzak;657059 Wrote:
Did you click on the pictures to see the larger versions?
:)
Oops! That's much better and now I fully understand. Great job.
Although I have a quite a bit less CDs than you (just under 3k) after I
finished replacing the jewel cases with thin plastic sleeves I still
I've gotten a couple of thousand done:
[image: http://zzzone.net/files/bags-cases.jpg]
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call me crazy, but i got rid of my cd's as soon as they were all ripped.
The last thing i want around the house is a giant pile of cd's.
also, I haven't purchased a cd for two to three years. there just isn't
anything more convenient than the world of online music purchases. the
sacrifice of
jimzak;621047 Wrote:
I've gotten a couple of thousand done.
Jim, everything looks great so far. Do you find that you're saving a
lot of space? When I finished the transfer from jewel cases to plastic
sleeves I found that the CDs in the plastic sleeves took up much less
space. I would estimate
As I mentioned above, the ratio of a jewel case space taken to that
taken by a bag+disc+insert is about 4:1.
As a result I have reclaimed vast amounts of space. VAST.
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Here's a before and after shot...after is on the top row and before is
on the lower row.
http://zzzone.net/photo/2011/future.jpg
I've put about 500 CDs in bags. I have an additional 4000 bags on
order. BagsUnlimited is probably very happy with me.
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eq72521;561179 Wrote:
I'd probably stop buying them altogether if FLAC was offered as a
purchasable option.
When is that going to happen, I mean seriously mr. music industry, it's
way overdue.
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Archer_11;610257 Wrote:
When is that going to happen, I mean seriously mr. music industry, it's
way overdue.
It is happening already. But it's a pretty small part of the market,
and not the big labels. I bet it will remain that way for some time
because most buyers are happy with lossy AAC and
aubuti;610304 Wrote:
It is happening already. But it's a pretty small part of the market, and
not the big labels. I bet it will remain that way for some time because
most buyers are happy with lossy AAC and MP3. And the labels will
follow the money.
Many small online sellers distribute
All perfectly valid concerns in my view. Most of my FLAC purchases have
been from artists' own sites, where I hope their enlightened
self-interest is enough for quality control. Someone selling FLACs (or
even lossy codecs) would have an advantage if they could prove the
tracks' pedigree, such as
aubuti;610304 Wrote:
It is happening already. But it's a pretty small part of the market, and
not the big labels. I bet it will remain that way for some time because
most buyers are happy with lossy AAC and MP3. And the labels will
follow the money.
The irony is that cd quality is readily
maggior;609041 Wrote:
My wife wishes I would do this since I got a Kindle for Christmas. The
problem is that there are a significant number of books that I have
that are not available in eBook format. It reminds me of when CDs
first came out - remember that period in the late 80's/early
carib;609804 Wrote:
Just out of curiosity... do you have an estimated time of completion?
No idea. I'm going to rip to FLAC as I change over to bags.
Likely it will take 3-5 years as I also work 60+ hours per week to pay
for all this stuff :)
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Best of luck Jimzak and Happy Ripping...but, wow, 60+ workweek leaves
little time to enjoy all those goodies. I bet you have music with you
most of the time anyway.
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ralphpnj;609029 Wrote:
Quick question: what are you planning to do with the empty jewel cases?
Kept about 20 and threw the rest (300+) in the trash (about 1/4 were
chipped or damaged anyway). I checked with the waste authority and they
cannot recycle them because they are the wrong kind of
Another idea for those unwanted CD cases, ask your local library if they
might like them.
Library CD's and their cases get pretty beat up as they are checked
out, moved, returned, etc.. over and over.
I blame those d*#n kids! (even though I sat on a library CD myself in
the library parking lot,
jimzak;609005 Wrote:
I started the LONG transition to poly bags for all my CDs in jewel cases
yesterday. The space to store CDs in jewel cases drops to 25% of what
it was when I use these 2 pocket bags:
ralphpnj;609048 Wrote:
Actually in the early days of CDs I took a completely different
approach. I went out and bought myself a very nice turntable (a used
Linn LP12) and while all my friends were busy replacing their vinyl
collections with little silver discs I only bought CDs of new
ralphpnj;609029 Wrote:
Quick question: what are you planning to do with the empty jewel cases?
Offer them for free on Craig's List or FreeCycle.org. Some local
musician or student might want them for whatever reason.
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jimzak;584358 Wrote:
Check my signature.
My CDs are in the Media Library.
I started the LONG transition to poly bags for all my CDs in jewel
cases yesterday. The space to store CDs in jewel cases drops to 25% of
what it was when I use these 2 pocket bags:
jimzak;609005 Wrote:
I started the LONG transition to poly bags for all my CDs in jewel cases
yesterday. The space to store CDs in jewel cases drops to 25% of what
it was when I use these 2 pocket bags:
ralphpnj;608840 Wrote:
Now if I could convince my wife to get an ebook reader and get rid of
the print books :)
My wife wishes I would do this since I got a Kindle for Christmas. The
problem is that there are a significant number of books that I have that
are not available in eBook format.
maggior;609041 Wrote:
My wife wishes I would do this since I got a Kindle for Christmas. The
problem is that there are a significant number of books that I have
that are not available in eBook format. It reminds me of when CDs
first came out - remember that period in the late 80's/early
I know that I'm a little late to the party but better late than never.
I just finished putting all of my CDs (the one's originally in plastic
jewel cases) into polyethylene plastic sleeves with flaps.
(http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000UHEFX6/ref=olp_product_details?ie=UTF8me=seller=)
The
peterw;601675 Wrote:
Great, thank you for the update. Now I just need to see if my wife will
accept mylar for her discs or if she'll want the more familiar
book-like jazzloft cases. I guess I'll get some Sleevetown for mine
show her... again, thank you for the suggestion status report!
TiredLegs;601937 Wrote:
The mylar sleeves are perfect for -storing- CDs, but I'm not sure I
would recommend them if your wife would be accessing the discs inside
them every time she wants to listen to music. It's definitely not as
easy as jewel cases to get the discs in and out of them, and
peterw;601544 Wrote:
Have you had a chance to try the Sleevetown mylar sleeves out yet? I was
just about to order from jazzloft, but I'm intrigued by the mylar
option, as I almost never access my CDs, not in the years since I got
caught up ripping them for my Squeezeboxes.
Yep, over the past
TiredLegs;601624 Wrote:
Yep, over the past couple of months I've loaded nearly all my CDs into
the Sleevetown mylar sleeves. (I keep box sets intact.) The sleeves
work perfectly for what I wanted to do. A small number of my CDs (e.g.
with special booklets or extra artwork) were too thick to
jimzak;584358 Wrote:
Check my signature.
My CDs are in the Media Library.
Jimzak - that is one impressive CD collection, wow!
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EdPell;561136 Wrote:
J Do you often have to access them for one reason or another such as to
load your vehicle's CD player?
I have never, ever had original CDs in the car. At one time I had a
car with a CD changer which I loaded with copies, that was great though
I found some kinds of music
TiredLegs;584337 Wrote:
Then I discovered the super thin (1-2 mil) mylar plastic resealable
sleeves used to protect entire CDs in their jewel cases. ... At
Sleevetown.com for example, 500 of them sell for $18 (less than $0.04
each) plus shipping. Sleevetown even notes This sleeve may also
I've come across another option for removing CDs from their jewel cases.
I was looking for something as thin as possible to permanently store the
discs and all their associated insert materials as archival backups,
with the likelihood that I will never access most of them ever again.
(My
Check my signature.
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MelonMonkey;570265 Wrote:
If I was super adventurous, I'd put together a very handsome shelving
unit to hold them all in a room upstairs - with a unique RFID inserted
into each jewel case. Then a small RFID reader disguised in a piece of
furniture near the stereo (possibly a couple of
oh all these cd`s
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lrossouw;570508 Wrote:
This is a great idea but you don't even need the RFID\reader. Think
barcodes phones. The Android phones can all read barcodes so you can
just scan the barcode find the name of the cd and search your library
and play. Could be automated by the developers of apps for
funkstar;570522 Wrote:
While I agree, I do really like the implications of MelonMonkey's idea
:)
Take a CD off the shelf and place it on your coffee table, that album
starts to play. Take the CD to another room and the stream follows you
around the house. Day to day it might be a complete
MelonMonkey;570265 Wrote:
CDs are currently stored in three large cardboard boxes in the basement.
Not having access to a physical object representing an album is a bit
of a nostalgic loss. There's something so visceral about browsing
through a shelf of disks, like old books.
If I was
iPhone;570606 Wrote:
OK, I can understand the nostalgic or sensory loss as I still enjoy the
ritual of preparing to play Vinyl. Having said that, the whole idea of
the Squeezebox (or any digital media player) is to play digital files
relieving us of the need to search or dig through CDs. I
So far they are in boxes. I have no idea what I'm going to do with
them. Probably save them like my albums and never use them again just
to haul around where ever I go. Maybe give them away or trade them in
(I know,I know.). How about a link for that flac tester. Sounds like
a nice choice or
maggior;570724 Wrote:
I'm with iPhone. From a technology geek perspective, it would be really
cool, but I don't think it would prove tremendously useful outside of a
very select few. I think money and effort could be spent on better
things, like developing better tagging schemes, better
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