philchillbill wrote:
> Try it for 7 days for free. Install is 2 mins.
i can't see any mediaserver skill, i live in italy
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It needs to have the LMS built in
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nervoteso wrote:
> is it easier than chromeclast streaming from nas with this skill? ii
> tried chromeclast on google home and it was full of problems
Try it for 7 days for free. Install is 2 mins.
philchillbill's
is it easier than chromeclast streaming from nas with this skill? ii
tried chromeclast on google home and it was full of problems
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philippe_44 wrote:
> I think Ill remove the generate option because its an optional step
> but everybody seems to think its mandatory. All you need to do is
> select the helper and start. Other steps are tweaks. I think that
> calling the installation « its not fun » is a bit unfair.
It's
dolodobendan wrote:
> The installation process isn't much fun, true. The same goes for the
> AirPlay bridge (that's the one I use). But once set up, it works really
> well. I wrote myself a step-by-step installation guide for LMS which I
> now just follow blindly. Here's the AirPlay part (for
Thats an Amazon limitation, not mine [emoji854]
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philchillbill wrote:
> But the skill is simple to install in 2 mins and you can play with it to
> see what you think [emoji41]
>
> Alexa, tell MediaServer to STREAM some rock.
>
> The 1st post in that thread is always up to date.
I managed to stream a playlist to my Echo Dot, and yes, it
But the skill is simple to install in 2 mins and you can play with it to
see what you think [emoji41]
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d6jg wrote:
> No. The Echo things are not upnp/dlna devices at all. Neither are they
> Airplay or Chromecast capable. It's Amazon's own protocol.
Thanks, I obviously didn't know that. I thought that nowadays every
device supports at least UPnP/DLNA.
@kidstypike: So it's not you! Cheers! ;)
dolodobendan wrote:
> Shouldn't they work side by side?
No. The Echo things are not upnp/dlna devices at all. Neither are they
Airplay or Chromecast capable. It's Amazon's own protocol.
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d6jg wrote:
> The upnp bridge is not what you need. Its explained in the relevant
> Mediaskill post in 3rd Party Software
>
> EDIT.
> https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111016-Announce-MediaServer-*certified*-Alexa-skill-for-LMS
Shouldn't they work side by side?
QLMS 8.2@2.21
kidstypike wrote:
> Thanks.
>
> If this is the case - that it needs philippe's UPnP/DLNA Bridge, then
> I'd rather forget the idea, I've tried several times (just tried again)
> to install and configure this plugin, but it causes me problems. Cannot
> generate a configuration file, loss of
It appears as a player LMS while playing. Not when offline. The reason
is that playback must be initiated by voice so having a permanent pseudo
player makes no sense.
No plugins are needed - just try a Stream command and the player will
magically appear.
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d6jg wrote:
> The upnp bridge is not what you need. Its explained in the relevant
> Mediaskill post in 3rd Party Software
>
> EDIT.
> https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111016-Announce-MediaServer-*certified*-Alexa-skill-for-LMS
Thanks.
The thread contains nearly 1000 posts.
Can
kidstypike wrote:
> Thanks.
>
> If this is the case - that it needs philippe's UPnP/DLNA Bridge, then
> I'd rather forget the idea, I've tried several times (just tried again)
> to install and configure this plugin, but it causes me problems. Cannot
> generate a configuration file, loss of
dolodobendan wrote:
> Just guessing here, but Philippe's UPnP/DLNA Bridge comes to mind.
Thanks.
If this is the case - that it needs philippe's UPnP/DLNA Bridge, then
I'd rather forget the idea, I've tried several times (just tried again)
to install and configure this plugin, but it causes
kidstypike wrote:
> I've set up and linked to my Amazon account, I can tell Alexa to play
> xxx on any of my connected squeezeboxes, how do I get my Echo Show 8 to
> appear as a player in LMS?
>
> Thank you.
Just guessing here, but Philippe's UPnP/DLNA Bridge comes to mind.
QLMS 8.2@2.21
I've set up and linked to my Amazon account, I can tell alexa to play
xxx on any of my connected squeezeboxes, how do I get my Echo Show 8 to
appear as a player in LMS?
Thank you.
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nervoteso wrote:
> really? is iot possible to stream my squeezebox music stored on nas on
> alexa? is ity possible on google home?
No idea about Google Home, but for Alexa see
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?111016-Announce-MediaServer-*certified*-Alexa-skill-for-LMS
or
philchillbill wrote:
> You -do- know there's a decent Alexa skill called MediaServer that will
> control that 'good system' of yours by voice ? And also allow you to
> stream LMS-sourced songs to that Echo Show if you like...
really? is iot possible to stream my squeezebox music stored on nas
jimbobvfr400 wrote:
> If you're finding you use Alexa with an Echo speaker then you can get
> much better audio quality simply by plugging your Echo to your stereo,
> there's a 3.5mm analogue output in the back which while it's not exactly
> the best quality will still be much better through
If you're finding you use Alexa with an Echo speaker then you can get
much better audio quality simply by plugging your Echo to your stereo,
there's a 3.5mm analogue output in the back which while it's not exactly
the best quality will still be much better through your stereo.
The disadvantage
NFLnut wrote:
> I don't come to the forum as much as I used to (not enough time anymore)
> and just saw your reply ..
>
> I too constantly go through a guilt phase where I KNOW that my Alexa
> speakers are always spying on me. And my "smart" speakers still keep
> getting dumber and less useful
pablolie wrote:
> Posting rights in the Audiophile forum forever revoked!!! :-D
>
> Convenience is what hooked me on the SB ecosystem forever ago (2004 when
> I bought my first SB). Once I had ripped my collection (which took me 2
> years, with well over 3000 CDs and by now over 4000 albums
NFLnut wrote:
> ... BUT I also ask my crappy Alexa speaker ...
Posting rights in the Audiophile forum forever revoked!!! :-D
Convenience is what hooked me on the SB ecosystem forever ago (2004 when
I bought my first SB). Once I had ripped my collection (which took me 2
years, with well over
dmcdayton wrote:
> I hate to admit, its not just your kids. I've taken to playing on Echo
> for convenience instead of my good system. Siri and Google just SUUUCK
> but Alexa has magic juju beans somewhere because it just works. I'm
> listening to more music in my kitchen now on an Echo Show
Paul Webster wrote:
> I expect Philippe still has some SqueezeAMP systems available for sale.
Yes, I've build a new batch of 50 which is on its way :-)
LMS 7.7, 7.8 and 7.9 - 5xRadio, 3xBoom, 4xDuet, 1xTouch, 1 SB2. Sonos
PLAY:3, PLAY:5, Marantz NR1603, JBL OnBeat, XBoxOne, XBMC,
I expect Philippe still has some SqueezeAMP systems available for sale.
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author of \"now playing\" plugins covering radio france (fip etc), kcrw,
supla finland, abc australia, cbc/radio-canada and rte ireland
dmcdayton wrote:
> I heard a rumor that Logitech product management has now recognized
> that:
> -In 2020, 80% of the music business will be streaming content
> -That their SlimDevices Squeezebox line may have been 10 years ahead of
> its time.
> -That there still isn't a product on the market
> I don't see a command to "Play XYZ artist" or a specific song.
Both commands exist - see the online docs:
https://mediaserver.smartskills.tech/commandref/PlaySomethingBy.html#27
https://mediaserver.smartskills.tech/commandref/PlaySong.html#28
dmcdayton wrote:
> I did not, thanks for mentioning it. Scanning to the available commands,
> I don't see a command to "Play XYZ artist" or a specific song.
"play something by {Artist}" and variants.
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Author Radio France (FIP etc) plugin
philchillbill wrote:
> You -do- know there's a decent Alexa skill called MediaServer that will
> control that 'good system' of yours by voice ? And also allow you to
> stream LMS-sourced songs to that Echo Show if you like...
I did not, thanks for mentioning it. Scanning to the available
dmcdayton wrote:
> I hate to admit, its not just your kids. I've taken to playing on Echo
> for convenience instead of my good system. Siri and Google just SUUUCK
> but Alexa has magic juju beans somewhere because it just works. I'm
> listening to more music in my kitchen now on an Echo Show
rcampbel3 wrote:
> Give me a stereo radio with Alexa built in or another voice control
> option, and I'd upgrade every Radio in my house. My kids can't be
> bothered to use radio controls -- they'll walk downstairs to the tiniest
> speaker in our house and ask Alexa to play a song.
>
I hate
I mean, Squeezebox is a unicorn. Most electronics have a product life
cycle of 3-5 years, at best. These things are still providing value and
doing things no other devices can do (at least not as easily/elegantly)
10 years down the road. For the life of me I can't understand why
Logitech would
Pretty cool dream, but I'm not holding my breath.
Main system - Rock Solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on WHS 2011 - 2 Duets
and Squeeseslave
Cabin system - Rock solid with LMS 7.9.1 Official on Win10 Pro - 1 RPi 3
Model B/Hifiberry DAC+ Pro/PiCorePlayer and Squeezeslave
Headphones and car -
Oh man, you had me going!
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dmcdayton wrote:
> I heard a rumor that Logitech product management has now recognized
> that:
> -In 2020, 80% of the music business will be streaming content
> -That their SlimDevices Squeezebox line may have been 10 years ahead of
> its time.
> -That there still isn't a product on the market
Good dream. First thought was, "Is it April First already?" ;)
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I know it shouldn't matter, but I'm glad that mine says Designed and
Manufactured in Mountain View...because I live in Mountain View (0.8
miles as the crow flies from SlimHQ, 1.3 miles by car And I really
like Mountain View. Even if, as earlier alluded to, it was only final
assembly.
Although
Meatwad650;228649 Wrote:
I know it shouldn't matter, but I'm glad that mine says Designed and
Manufactured in Mountain View...because I live in Mountain View (0.8
miles as the crow flies from SlimHQ, 1.3 miles by car And I really
like Mountain View. Even if, as earlier alluded to, it was
haunyack;228652 Wrote:
Back in my youth, I flew P3 Orions (VP-31) out of Moffett Field.
This is way OT but it reminds me about when I moved down here. My dad
came to visit and I mentioned how I wanted to see Hanger 1 some day.
He decided then was as good a time as any, so he busted out the
I recieved two black units SB3 and they are made in China... Package is
cool btw also the Logitech Logo looks nice..
Christian
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egd;213833 Wrote:
I understand that the Squeezebox is (and will remain) Logitech branded
and the Transporter will remain Slimdevices branded
The transporter doesn't even have a SlimDevices logo, just
transporter. Apparently it didn't look right with both when they were
designing it. The
I think the Logitech Logo looks better! (Burn Him!?) I am glad mine is
Logitech branded and not Slim Devices. ;)
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I bet the metals used came from Australia! Hey but that's alright isn't
it - we are supposed to be buddies.
If I only bought Aussie products I would be typing this naked - (maybe
although I wouldn't actually be able to type because the computer is a
Dell made in Malaysia.
I wouldn't be
seanadams;208464 Wrote:
The PCB assemblies are built in China, and have been since SB2. Until
recently we did Squeezebox mechanical assembly, test, and packaging in
California. That is now done in China also, but the boards are still
done by the same manufacturer.
Eh... nevermind.
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funkstar;213891 Wrote:
The transporter doesn't even have a SlimDevices logo, just
transporter. Apparently it didn't look right with both when they were
designing it. The transporter does have a Logitech logo on the produc
information sticker on the bttom though.
Just for clarification, the
snarlydwarf;213845 Wrote:
Don't forget that the high density corrugated shipping module now has
the Logitech logo on it. I've 'read that the new ink used in this
process traps electrons'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=213845postcount=158)
instead of letting them jar loose
tomjtx wrote:
I do have the original box and the price just went to 2,000
You are bidding on a Slim Devices branded Squeezebox box.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2001/11/19/ceci_nest_pas_une_xbox/
:)
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mvalera;214024 Wrote:
Just for clarification, the Transporter used to be branded Slim Devices
on the front. The new ones being produced now (still in California) are
branded transporter.
Did it? my mistake then. I can't afford one so wouldn't know
personally, i just seem to remember some
Hi!
Does anyone know if there is any change in the hardware of the
squeezebox 3 since they got logitech-branded?
I hope the logitech-branded one sound as good as the original slim
devices did... :)
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I'm sure that even if there have been no changes, someone, somewhere
will claim they hear a difference and it will create a special, high
priced market for original Slimdevices units on ebay.
Aren't there any more important things to worry about in the world?
TD
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olle.norell;213692 Wrote:
Does anyone know if there is any change in the hardware of the
squeezebox 3 since they got logitech-branded?
I'm pretty sure SeanAdams has said there are no differnces in the SB3
other than a change of face plate. They are also still made in the same
factory as
okay! Thanks!
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I admit I did not read the whole thread but I stumbled across the
pictures of the new Squeezebox with the Logitech branding, arghh...
I was just about to order two more devices, but for the time being I
will retreat from filling in the online forms and ask you folks at
slimdevices if you can
I understand that the Squeezebox is (and will remain) Logitech branded
and the Transporter will remain Slimdevices branded, reason being their
target markets are different and Logitech is not known as an audio co.
whereas Slimdevices has an established, credible brand in the audio
market.
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The slim branded SB does sound better due to the shape of the logo which
is better at rejecting rfi, emi and bsi.
BTW, I have a slim branded SB3 which I'll sell for only 1,000.
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tomjtx;213843 Wrote:
The slim branded SB does sound better due to the shape of the logo which
is better at rejecting rfi, emi and bsi.
BTW, I have a slim branded SB3 which I'll sell for only 1,000.
Don't forget that the high density corrugated shipping module now has
the Logitech logo on
seanadams wrote:
Peter;209334 Wrote:
Nice idea. But one of my SB3's failed about a year ago, the one that was
on the AmpSwitch plugin. The plugin writer contacted SD with the serial
number to see what the SB3 died from, to find out if the plugin
(+circuitry) could be to blame. He hasn't
JimC;207874 Wrote:
Jim marketing boy Carlton
I don't frequent the forum, but check in from time to time. This post
and the one with the picture of the assembly team in the US made my
day. Also Sean's sincere wish to find and fix the connector problem
warms my heart.
All companies should be
seanadams;209113 Wrote:
We take this sort of report very seriously, and we looked into it and
pulled a bunch of units from inventory and could not find a problem.
Furry would need to send his in for replacement in order for us to see
what's going on with it.
Sean, thanks for your efforts.
I hope I'm echoing the sentiments of the Slim community at large here
when I say PLEASE don't send the power supply back to your point of
purchase/supplier.
Make sure SeanCo get it directly at Slim so that they can find out
exactly why the problem happened and hopefully prevent it from
happening
Furry;209226 Wrote:
Sean, thanks for your efforts. Maybe I just got the 1-in-a-100 bad
one. Or maybe its just normal variation on that particular plug and
that particular socket combining unfavourably; as I said earlier, its
fine with my the psu from my first SB3.
What I haven't
MelonMonkey wrote:
I hope I'm echoing the sentiments of the Slim community at large here
when I say PLEASE don't send the power supply back to your point of
purchase/supplier.
Make sure SeanCo get it directly at Slim so that they can find out
exactly why the problem happened and hopefully
Peter;209334 Wrote:
Nice idea. But one of my SB3's failed about a year ago, the one that was
on the AmpSwitch plugin. The plugin writer contacted SD with the serial
number to see what the SB3 died from, to find out if the plugin
(+circuitry) could be to blame. He hasn't heard back from them,
hear hear!
I'm the chairperson of the employee reps where I work and this thread
reminds me of discussions we have when there is nothing of any
importance to discuss ...
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Peter;208923 Wrote:
nicketynick wrote:
sixofone;208750 Wrote:
Im sufficiently irked to register and post to this form for the
first
(and probably last) time.
You see I was under the impression that the words Designed and
manufactured in Mountain View, California, USA meant
Hey guys,
I think we've beat this Made in the USA related side action to
death...
Please let's move the posts back on topic.
Thanks,
Mike
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jeffmeh;209043 Wrote:
The company will either see increased margins or they will be able to
reduce prices to better consumers and improve their competitive
position. Lower consumer prices benefit all consumers, and the
macroeconomics generally indicate that that outweighs the losses of
mvalera;209103 Wrote:
Hey guys,
I think we've beat this Made in the USA related side action to
death...
Please let's move the posts back on topic.
Thanks,
Mike
Nice try, Mike, just not quick enough! We're definitely off into
ideological territory now! Nobody is 'wrong', but in
sixofone wrote:
Chinese factory workers aren’t being uplifted economically, or in any
other sense. They’re being exploited more rapaciously than has ever
been tolerated at any time in any Western society.
Look into your history books. My forefathers were owned by their
landlord.
mvalera;209103 Wrote:
Hey guys,
I think we've beat this Made in the USA related side action to
death...
Please let's move the posts back on topic.
Thanks,
Mike
Good idea. I've been meaning to ask this for a while now but didn't
want to kill an interesting discussion :) What was
Ian_F;209110 Wrote:
Good idea. I've been meaning to ask this for a while now but didn't want
to kill an interesting discussion :) What was the outcome of Furry's
wobbly power supply connector?
Yes, I've been meaning and wondering the same things myself!
Dave.
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Ian_F;209110 Wrote:
What was the outcome of Furry's wobbly power supply connector?
We take this sort of report very seriously, and we looked into it and
pulled a bunch of units from inventory and could not find a problem.
Furry would need to send his in for replacement in order for us to see
nicketynick;209106 Wrote:
Nice try, Mike, just not quick enough! We're definitely off into
ideological territory now! Nobody is 'wrong', but in our imperfect
world, who is to say what the best way to fix things is. tread
lightly, leave the stick at home, I think, to mangle a phrase!
**
Hi
Back on track!
I recieved my Logitech SB3 the other day - and besides staring at the
front panel for a bit, went straight to the power supply and socket
issue.
Mine does not wobble - but I haven't actually powered it up to see if
it makes a good connection. However there is a very real
sixofone;208750 Wrote:
Im sufficiently irked to register and post to this form for the first
(and probably last) time.
There really is no need to be irked (IMHO). What Slim Devices have done
is absolutely the normal, accepted, legally correct way of labelling
their product - namely, to
The labelling may well have complied with the strict letter of the law;
however it would appear that the USA manufacturing operation amounted
to no more than screwing circuit boards made in China into cases. In
other words the product was, in dictionary terms, being assembled in
the USA. This
sixofone;208847 Wrote:
The labelling may well have complied with the strict letter of the law;
however it would appear that the USA manufacturing operation amounted
to no more than screwing circuit boards made in China into cases. In
other words the product was, in dictionary terms, being
sixofone;208750 Wrote:
Im sufficiently irked to register and post to this form for the first
(and probably last) time.
You see I was under the impression that the words Designed and
manufactured in Mountain View, California, USA meant just that.
Whereas it now appears that the
There's more to it than that, though - every modern electronic device is
the result of a truly international effort, incorporating components and
sub-assemblies made all over the world. Made, assembled... it's all
the same thing.
The Chinese manufacturing operation amounted to no more than
sixofone;208847 Wrote:
The labelling may well have complied with the strict letter of the law;
however it would appear that the USA manufacturing operation amounted
to no more than screwing circuit boards made in China into cases. In
other words the product was, in dictionary terms, being
killie99;208852 Wrote:
I have worked in the electronics industry in the UK for over 20 years
and this is how you label products, you don't get a choice on how to do
it as you have to comply with international regulations regarding
import/export and it has absolutely nothing to do with
Wow, you get an A+ on your homework!
Somebody bring on the lawyers! (maybe we can get them all in one room
and get rid of 'em!) But it does seem that the regulations as they are
have been deemed obsolete, or at the very least, irrelevant. I do know
from my own experience that Made in the USA is
sixofone;208750 Wrote:
Enjoy counting the cash, Slim/ Logitech people. Try not to think too
hard about that new, faraway workforce. Or the old manufacturing
staff a little nearer to home who had to be #8220;let go#8221;.
I just wanted to post a picture of our US production team. As you can
killie99;208852 Wrote:
I think you're playing with semantics regarding whether something is
manufactured or assembled and if you ask 100 people what they think
that means you'll get a stack of different answers.
Maybe so. I claim no expertise in anything quite as useful as
electronics
mvalera;208913 Wrote:
I just wanted to post a picture of our US production team. As you can
see they are very much still here.
Also if there were to be any talk about letting them go, the unstable
looking guy in the center holding the box cutter might have something
to say about that.
sixofone wrote:
patriotic drum. It's just that when researching the Squeezebox I'm
sure I came across articles emphasising the in-house (USA-based)
manufacturing operation. I suppose I equated that with a certai
Are you sure these articles weren't about previous SliMP3/Squeezebox
models?
nicketynick wrote:
sixofone;208750 Wrote:
I’m sufficiently irked to register and post to this form for the first
(and probably last) time.
You see I was under the impression that the words “Designed and
manufactured in Mountain View, California, USA” meant just that.
Whereas it now
Come on guys, there is a limit to what you can explain on a little
sticker. Maybe we should have said something to the effect of
Designed in Mountain View, California, except for a few programmers
overseas, and manufactured there too, except that by manufactured we
mean assembled and tested
JJZolx;208918 Wrote:
So, what do they 'produce' now that the Squeezebox is 100% manufactured,
assembled, tested, and packaged in a Chinese sweatshop? :-)
We still have Squeezebox parts left to put together, and the
Transporter will continue to be built here in the US. There are no
plans to
seanadams wrote:
Come on guys, there is a limit to what you can explain on a little
sticker.
No, rather we should declare this thread off topic, boring, etc.
and move on.
its plonk time for the thread.
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Wasn't the Psion Wavefinder just a plug-in DAB radio for a PC? It always
struck me as a pretty pointless little gadget, one which would never be
able to overcome the fundamental problems that DAB coverage was poor
(especially with a tiny little indoor aerial), and that even with a
good signal its
You guys do realise that the price is driven by market primarily?
Price will be whatever the market is willing ot pay. If it happens to
be below the production costs, company goes belly up. If, on the other
side, you are willing to pay well above their cost, then they can go
play golf. Why would
Slimkid, price elasticity. There is a balance to be achieved between
those willing and those not willing to pay. Striking that balance is
the goal in the mass market.
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slimkid;208624 Wrote:
You guys do realise that the price is driven by market primarily?
And volume expectations. If you only expect to sell a few, price is no
concern - there will always be somebody willing to part with their
money. Now, if you want mass-market volumes, well, then price is
For two prior posts: all that is market at works, one way or another. My
point is, nobody would willingly give up the part of their profit if
they don't have to.
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slimkid
The sound stage will open up, bass will tighten and the imaging will
improve. DVD performance will also increase
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