Hi to reply to original post, Raspberry Pi + Hifiberry are the new
Squeezeboxes. Very cheap but sound very good! And running PiCorePlayer
is an absolute breeze. Long may LMS live!
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jimmypowder wrote:
> I wonder really how large the market is for streaming music from your
> computer . None of my friends have a clue about doing this so I'm
> guessing the market is fairly small and geared towards audiophiles . A
> minority for sure . Most are happy with Airplay ( they do
pgershon wrote:
> Not sure if still life to they thread, but with Logitech casting off
> SiriusXM as of Sept 30, are there alternatives yet to squeezebox.com?
Ickstream. In beta.
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Mnyb, exactly! It's not that Logitech got distracted selling
mice/keyboards that brought the demise of SB, rather that they thought
the SqueezeBox product could be sold along side their core business
which is mice/keyboards. SB likely got axed because it became a
distraction from their real
(Computer) speakers are part of Logitech's core business, too. And
recall that Logitech got big through *wireless* keyboards and mice.
Squeezeboxes are wireless audio products. As such, they fit reasonably
well in Logitech's product portfolio.
Anyways, I think that nowadays, people want two
I have felling/speculation that they expected much more of it to fast .
Shortsigthed they proably wanted to use resources on projects who could
deliver faster .
Logitech sells mouses and keayboards in the millions .
It must have been resonably profitable at a limited niche scale but they
must
poing wrote:
There sales at the time probably weren't the most important factor. I
presume what mattered to them were their expectation of (i) *future*
sales and their expectation of (ii) *future* costs. Even if their
decision to discontinue Squeezebox was correct at the time (which is
jimmypowder wrote:
I wonder really how large the market is for streaming music from your
computer .
I'm not necessarily saying streaming from your computer. But, as you're
surely aware, music streaming with services like Spotify is really
taking off. And people want to be able to do that
castalla wrote:
Users who simply buy a device at the supermarket will likely end up as
subscribers to whatever services are tied to their devices.
Squeezebox is different - it offers a mix of subscription and non-sub
services. Logitech screwed up by failing to recognise the strengths of
jhonsber...@msn.com wrote:
Well unless you know what their sales were like ,you have no idea
whether it was a good decision by Logitech to discontinue the line .
There sales at the time probably weren't the most important factor. I
presume what mattered to them were their expectation of (i)
Other than possibly the Radio, the Squeezebox players were all too
pricey to gain much of a foothold in the market of consumers who were
interested in only music streaming services. If the SB were introduced
today, it would flop even worse due to all of the competition in the
market.
In fact, a
Squeezemenicely wrote:
Well Sonos was around quite a while before Logitech jumped out. But the
biggest trouble was that Squeezebox was simply there much too early for
consumers. Only really since streaming services as Spotify started has
the market for streaming / file players begun to
Esel2k wrote:
I totally agree with that, since streaming services started and the
predictions (ok just a prediction) seems that it will exploded in
users.
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Now this market needs the device to play that. On the phone they have
the apps. But at home? The market is very attractive, but
JJZolx wrote:
Other than possibly the Radio, the Squeezebox players were all too
pricey to gain much of a foothold in the market of consumers who were
interested in only music streaming services. If the SB were introduced
today, it would flop even worse due to all of the competition in the
cathcam wrote:
and too complicated. I've removed almost everything I can off the menus
on my radio that is in the guest room. It's got search, sync, my music
and thats about it. I tell visitors to search for their favorite radio
stations and press and hold the channel buttons just like the
How much longer does the group think Mysqueezebox.com last? I've had my
SB3 since just after they were introduced.I don't run the Media
Server all the time, and I frequently connect directly to the internet
via Mysqueezebox.com.I've looked at what's on the market right now
(for
Cleve wrote:
Not only that, but eventually with some new iteration of Windows, the
Media Server software won't be compatible with future operating systems.
As others have said, Squeezebox threw in the towel too soon. It would
be a great market for Squeezebox now, I think.
Well
Cleve wrote:
How much longer does the group think Mysqueezebox.com last?
No one can possibly know. The good news is that the ickstream project is
beginning to provide a cloud platform that could replace mysb.com and
keep Squeezeboxes alive. As far as I know they don't yet have pandora
or
Lem wrote:
The bulk of LMS is open source is it not (from the old Slim Devices
days)?, and still being developed upon by users of this very forum.. I
don't see why it would be such an issue if you were to bundle LMS into a
streamer.
For a DIY'er it is not a big deal. For a company it is a
For a DIY'er it is not a big deal. For a company it is a very big deal
because the future is unsure and there is not guaranteed support.
It's unsure, unless they decide not only to take advantage of the free
software provided by some guys out there, but to contribute to it,
helping to keep it
Aren't virtually all DLNA servers also open source? For me there would
be commercial viability only if a player supported both LMS and DLNA.
We'd all use it with LMS but a chunk of people (majority?) would opt for
DLNA.
I can't help wondering whether Logitech might jump back on board - they
must
Mnyb wrote:
The LMS compatibility is not even mentioned on brystons website ? it's
ofcourse very easy to add just install squeezelite . Is the whole LMS
server also preinstalled ? it can use external storage and play files
from usb sticks and hard drives .
The manual mentiosn MPD as the
mherger wrote:
It's unsure, unless they decide not only to take advantage of the free
software provided by some guys out there, but to contribute to it,
helping to keep it alive.
That would be nice Michael. But honestly, that is just wishful thinking.
The software is open source and
Squeezemenicely wrote:
Wow, so the BDP-2 is simply a Squeezelite player on a sort of Raspberry
card in an elegant case?!? Not bad.
Not really a player. It has only digital outputs, so requires a DAC. For
just $3000 you can't have -everything-. :rolleyes:
JJZolx wrote:
For Bryston, installing Squeezelite, which they didn't pay a penny to
develop, on the BDP-2, with its bog-standard motherboard running Linux,
is a pretty low risk proposition. They didn't develop the system to be a
Squeezebox emulator; it's an afterthought. It may generate a
Ok then have Bryston contributed anything towards LMS or
mysqueezebox.com ?
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For Bryston, installing Squeezelite, which they didn't pay a penny to
develop, on the BDP-2, with its bog-standard motherboard running Linux,
is a pretty low risk proposition. They didn't develop the system to be a
Squeezebox emulator; it's an afterthought. It may generate a few
additional
JJZolx wrote:
For Bryston, installing Squeezelite, which they didn't pay a penny to
develop, on the BDP-2, with its bog-standard motherboard running Linux,
is a pretty low risk proposition.
Wow, so the BDP-2 is simply a Squeezelite player on a sort of Raspberry
card in an elegant case?!? Not
The LMS compatibility is not even mentioned on brystons website ? it's
ofcourse very easy to add just install squeezelite . Is the whole LMS
server also preinstalled ? it can use external storage and play files
from usb sticks and hard drives .
The manual mentiosn MPD as the player .
The price
d6jg wrote:
Logitech might jump back on board - they must be peed off that they
jumped out just as Sonos jumped in - it's consumer electronics after
all.
Well Sonos was around quite a while before Logitech jumped out. But the
biggest trouble was that Squeezebox was simply there much too
Pascal Hibon wrote:
There is no sane manufacture out there who will design and produce a
product based up on an EOL product (which they even do not own). The
financial risks are way to high.
Bryston has included squeezelite in their BDP2 streamer. The product is
outrageously e pensive
doctor_big wrote:
Bryston has included squeezelite in their BDP2 streamer. The product is
outrageously e pensive considering what it is, but maybe it's a
turnaround for the SB...
Jason
Glanced at the manual. They have indeed included Squeezelite but that's
not a Logitech product. So it
Pascal Hibon wrote:
Glanced at the manual. They have indeed included Squeezelite but that's
not a Logitech product. So it isn't based on any Logitech product or
code.
Besides Squeezelite, the BDP2 supports other player protocols too.
Obviously it's not a Logitech product. But the BDP2 is
Pascal Hibon wrote:
I believe you need to make a distinguish between technical knowledgeable
customers and customers without technical knowledge.
For sure, those of us who are able to get a Pi or whatever hardware
running as a streamer won't pay that kind of money. But there are far
more
doctor_big wrote:
But the BDP2 is still a commercial product that fits into the LMS/SB
ecosystem. It's a good sign.
The Bryston BDP2 is a horribly overpriced box containing an
off-the-shelf Atom motherboard running Linux. They tossed Squeezelite on
it as an afterthought. Because they could.
Lem wrote:
The bulk of LMS is open source is it not (from the old Slim Devices
days)?, and still being developed upon by users of this very forum.. I
don't see why it would be such an issue if you were to bundle LMS into a
streamer.
Somebody with some balls and a little moral integrity
I believe there is a market for a mid priced non-techie player but I
don't think it would be commercially viable unless it could handle LMS
DLNA.
I have a Pi but aesthetically it isn't a Touch or an SB3 so I can't site
it in my Living Room set up. It's WAF is far too low!
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d6jg wrote:
I believe there is a market for a mid priced non-techie player but I
don't think it would be commercially viable unless it could handle LMS
DLNA.
I have a Pi but aesthetically it isn't a Touch or an SB3 so I can't site
it in my Living Room set up. It's WAF is far too low!
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ctbarker32 wrote:
I am also discouraged that pretty much all of the proprietary music
server systems seem to use DLNA type technology that we all know doesn't
hold a candle to the performance and features of LMS. This, despite many
of these systems being no more than customized Linux
chrissy wrote:
I guess there is a simple reason: You can't earn money with it. Look at
the SOtM sMS-100 . It is priced as high as 499 here in Germany and
nothing more than a raspie with pi-coreplayer you can buy for 60. If
you take a cubie +2 tb Disk, you pay about 200 and have a
Currently, i use lms and a bunch of squeezeboxes (5 x radio, 1 x boom, 2
x receiver) for my family so that every child can access napster. The
speciality is that the account is accessed via mysqueezebox and lms.
Will this work if mysqueezebox.com may shut down? Without streaming
service, the
justwords wrote:
how would deezer and wimp work without mysqueezebox.com?
You can use ickStream to access Deezer or WiMP:
http://wiki.ickstream.com/index.php/Open_Beta_Squeezebox
Interested in the future of music streaming ? www.ickStream.com - A
world of music at your fingertips.
I'm thinking that it's not completely out of the picture that Logitech
is considering reintroducing the Squeezebox line again? I mean every
company and their mother come out with streaming solutions - why not be
a part of that again?
NikolajC wrote:
I'm thinking that it's not completely out of the picture that Logitech
is considering reintroducing the Squeezebox line again? I mean every
company and their mother come out with streaming solutions - why not be
a part of that again?
one can always dream. I'd love a TOUCH II
Sonos seems to be falling behind the curve regarding hi-rez files. They
still do not support 24/96. I don't necessarily care about the super
hi-rez files (no advantage to my ears) , but to me 24/96 support is
desirable. Obviously, this is an individual decision. But, to your
question, this is a
audio53 wrote:
Sonos seems to be falling behind the curve regarding hi-rez files. They
still do not support 24/96. I don't necessarily care about the super
hi-rez files (no advantage to my ears) , but to me 24/96 support is
desirable. Obviously, this is an individual decision. But, to your
isn't that because the Sonos has no equivelant of LMS to downsample?
SB environment almost doesn't care what the player can do so long as the
server can transcode. For Sonos to implement hi res would mean rip and
replace all the hardware
Transporter (Lounge)
Touch (Office)
Touch (Kitchen)
garym wrote:
But this may be a case of BetaMax vs VHS. The best approach doesn't
always win.
Indeed. Except the difference here is that there are enthusiasts still
updating the open source software and it works on a variety of hardware,
so the chance of survival is good, but I doubt it will
BenH73 wrote:
What are the main advantages to Squeezbox over Sonos (I ask as a
squeezebox user) for the average person. The only one I can see is that
it's so cheap to add to an existing amp.
The average person still plays local files as opposed to streaming
music.** And, from what I've
markiii wrote:
isn't that because the Sonos has no equivelant of LMS to downsample?
correct. everything is built into the hardware units themselves. This
is why updates to improve things are a challenge for SONOS to the extent
they want to stay backwards compatible. They have a very
I was recently asked to find a solution for a friend and found it
difficult to save him much money going with Squeezebox, Raspberry Pi and
Powered Speakers vs Sonos, so I suggested he go with Sonos. It probably
wasn't an apples to apples comparison as the powered speakers would
probably have
With the amount of single-board computers on the market (Raspberry Pi,
UDOO, Hummingboard, Cubox, etc), I think we will be set for awhile. Now
might be a good time to fork and rebrand Logitech Media Server, sans the
mysqueezebox.com stuff. It's clear by now that Logitech is slowly
winding down
garym wrote:
Here's to a healthy and prosperous 2015 and a future life for all things
squeezebox and LMS.
+1!
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I've exchanged a bunch of email with the founder of OnAir about adding
LMS/Squeezebox support, provided a link to the source and he's said
he'll look at it.
I don't think it's quite what you were looking for, but if they add it
to their current ios, android and web apps it might be interesting.
ctbarker32 wrote:
I thought I would pose a question to the community to generate some
discussion about the future of the Squeezebox product we love.
Nice post.
On the expanding side, I am very encouraged by the development of
products like Squeezelite that empowers Picoreplayer and
ctbarker32 wrote:
Hi,
I am also discouraged that pretty much all of the proprietary music
server systems seem to use DLNA type technology that we all know doesn't
hold a candle to the performance and features of LMS.
-CB
Don't be discouraged, as castalla says, you can have the best
ctbarker32 wrote:
So, my question for 2015 - Is the Universe of LMS and Squeezebox
expanding, contracting, or staying about the same?
Probably no one can answer that question since there are no figures
available. But since Logitech killed the Squeezebox product line it is
safe to assume
I'm not sure whether it's shrinking or not Certainly there are
people out there getting rid of players, but every time any working
classics come on ebay, you'd be lucky to get them for under £60, and
many are selling for £80+ - similarly, working Touchs and duets seem to
go for over £100.
Pascal Hibon wrote:
Stay as far as possible from dlna. In a nutshell, it sucks big time for
audio streaming. The streaming expert companies (Sonos, Squeezebox,
Simple Audio and others) stay away from it for a good reason.
I agree, but modestly, the app I've made allows you to use a
Hard to say. The real test in my mind is when mysqueezebox.com shuts
down. For me personally, this is mostly important for access to SiriusXM
(my wife really likes the various Public Radio stations there). With
Squeezeboxes and LMS, even without mysb.com, I can play my own music,
listen to most,
garym wrote:
Currently, as a backup for SirusXM for my wife (and just to experiment
with myself), I have a single SONOS connect that I've played with and
have connected to my preamp. It's perfectly OK and easy to use, but
after years of Squeezebox and LMS use it is painful to use SONOS.
philippe_44 wrote:
Still a bit of promotion (and I'll stop after that ...) but with
squeeze2upnp you can have your Sonos used from LMS, transparently. it
becomes just another LMS player (a squeezelite). Sonos is amongst the
ones where it works the best (I have a 1, 3, 5 and a connect)
Yes,
garym wrote:
Yes, I've been following the forum threads on this and it sounds
impressive (as does your work effort to get it to this point!). The
major hiccup for me is that my current setup relies upon perfect
synching in several locations around my house. If you can make synching
work
philippe_44 wrote:
Yes, I agree this is the painpoint and I'm really trying to see how I
could have access to Sonos sync mechanism. But how do you do today with
your connect:to get sync ? Personally, I used to plug a Touch on a
play:5 and use Sonos ability to forward an analogue input to the
garym wrote:
I actually never use the CONNECT. I bought it to play with (to see how
the SONOS system worked, controller, etc.) and to make sure it was setup
and working so I could make an *immediate* transition to it for my wife
should I lose mysb.com on day (I'd tell her to put the preamp
I don't know if SqueezeWorld is overall shrinking or expanding, but I
know that I've personally set up and given or sold multiple Wandboard
Quads running SoA or CSOS to friends and family. And I'm currently
building another system for someone else.
If we're counting the number of players in use, I would guess that the
number is shrinking. All of the DIY ARM and PC based players put
together by users since Logitech pulled the plug on Squeeebox likely
doesn't add up to a single month's worth of worldwide sales of the
Touch. More and more
ctbarker32 wrote:
Hi,
I thought I would pose a question to the community to generate some
discussion about the future of the Squeezebox product we love.
I have personally been using the Squeezebox products and server for
about 10 years and it's been a rewarding (sometimes frustrating)
ctbarker32 wrote:
Hi,
I never see anyone utilizing Squeezebox based clients using LMS to
accomplish the same thing in a more distributed network environment.
Many of us use the Enhanced Digital Output app to connect the SB Touch
USB output to a USB DAC (I use it with an Auralic Vega).
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