Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread verypsb
Squuezeslave does not work with sample rates other than 44.1khz/16bit and many music streaming services don't work with Squeezeslave. verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread erland
verypsb wrote: Squuezeslave does not work with sample rates other than 44.1khz/16bit and many music streaming services don't work with Squeezeslave. Isn't that because Logitech generally blocks all non Logitech players from mysqueezebox.com provided premium streaming services ?

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Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread GeeJay
erland wrote: Isn't that because Logitech generally blocks all non Logitech players from mysqueezebox.com provided premium streaming services ? One would hope if that is the case, they would lift the restriction. Unless they plan to sell more devices which offer that feature. I'm still not

Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread GeeJay
You can be sure, if Logitech lets its paranoia get the best of them, you will start seeing much more drama on their site. I'm not worried about that at the moment, because I still think there are some products left to be introduced that might satisfy many of our needs. They might not be

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Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?

2012-09-04 Thread pallfreeman
castalla wrote: I don't agree - there's a large potential market across Europe. People just don't know about internet radio and streaming. And Logitech are going to educate them about all this and drum up enough enthusiasm to make the UE a must-have killer appliance? With no advertising and

Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?

2012-09-04 Thread castalla
pallfreeman wrote: And Logitech are going to educate them about all this and drum up enough enthusiasm to make the UE a must-have killer appliance? With no advertising and no brand recognition? I can't see that happening. In the UK there are loads of digital radio devices available. Aunt

Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?

2012-09-04 Thread JohnB
I would definitely be willing to subscribe on either an annual or monthly basis. The problem would be setting up a formal group willing to maintain LMS whilst finding a structure that people felt comfortable with, which gave some assurance that the subscriptions would be properly used and which

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread pallfreeman
garym wrote: The apple tv is not a server that can run software (Im assuming). It has to be jailbroken. Googling xbmc apple tv 2 gives the instructions for installing XBMC on it. XBMC already has a squeezeslave, so it's 90% there already.

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread pallfreeman
jimzak wrote: I do like the idea of a fanless design, if it doesn't fry itself...which it apparently does not. No. It just makes you think it's going to! Mine's lasted 18 months so far running 24/7 as a router in a dusty corner of the wife's study. Highly recommended, other than the faint

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread the nightfly
jimzak wrote: How about a small computer with SqueezePlay? Someone would have to hack SqueezePlay so it handled hi-res files; right now, I believe the best it can do is 24/48. the nightfly's Profile:

Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread Squeezemenicely
truehl wrote: What about Raspberry Pi? Raspberry Pi is a very cheep hardware platform which can be use as a Squeezebox Server and a player and if you like you can run server and player on only one device! This device costs only 35 $. ... . One open thing is to find a replacement for the

Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?

2012-09-04 Thread pallfreeman
castalla wrote: The available internet radios are mostly ugly design and have poor screen ergonomics - eg. 2 line scrolling monochrome. I suppose it's all down to taste. I just Googled, and the Roberts Stream 83i was my first hit. IMHO, that *looks* better than the Logitech offerings. And

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread bpa
GeeJay wrote: One would hope if that is the case, they would lift the restriction. Unless they plan to sell more devices which offer that feature. I'm still not entirely convinced they won't, and if that is what happens they will be more concerned about producing a product you might

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread garym
pallfreeman wrote: It has to be jailbroken. Googling xbmc apple tv 2 gives the instructions for installing XBMC on it. XBMC already has a squeezeslave, so it's 90% there already. I can see that possibility. But can a jailbroken apple tv 2 run full LMS program? I think we're talking about

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread pallfreeman
garym wrote: I'm just trying to clarify what the apple tv 2 can do in terms of being a small computer, like a fitpc2, sheevaplug, small NAS, etc The main problem would be memory. Yeah, Google says that the ATV2 only comes with 256M, which is probably not enough to do anything useful as a

Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-09-04 Thread firedog
TheLastMan wrote: On the presumption that Logitech produces a Touch-like player under the UE brand (standalone, unamplified, high sound quality, RCA analogue and digital out, multi-room sync) there is nothing to stop anybody running both the SB and UE systems side-by-side if necessary. Most

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread ticalex
garym wrote: I can see that possibility. But can a jailbroken apple tv 2 run full LMS program? I think we're talking about two different things. I'm talking about a computer that can run LMS (and also be a player perhaps by running squeezeplay, etc.). Seems like the apple example is

Re: [slim] Streaming to reciva radio from SB Touch with TinySC

2012-09-04 Thread asplundj
I'm trying this approach http://recivarefuge.net/forum/index.php?topic=307.0 without any luck. Is this even possible when using the local server on the touch asplundj's Profile:

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread pippin
But please be aware that despite all their lyrics about their 192kHz DAC the dock will only use 48kHz streams, everything else will be downsampled on iOS. 96kHz currently ONLY seems to work with the Camera Connection Kit for the iPad! Other streams will play fine, but as I said: they will be

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread bernt
No way my wife (or I, me ,myself?) will pick her iPhone, unlock it, wait for network, and load the app just to change song. With a traditional remote it's done in a second and that is also why a display is also a must.

Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?

2012-09-04 Thread castalla
The key could be 'coloured' cases! The old Reciva Vistron came in Black, White and Pink. people went mad for the pink one - never understood that myself! castalla's Profile:

Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-09-04 Thread Sportswagoneer
Having invested time and money in several SB units and a proper linux server, I'm not about to switch systems! Got a touch to upgrade the living room duet and a spare one for good measure. I'l initialize both at once. Oh - and I'll never buy another logitech product. Ever.

Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?

2012-09-04 Thread erland
JohnB wrote: The problem would be setting up a formal group willing to maintain LMS whilst finding a structure that people felt comfortable with, which gave some assurance that the subscriptions would be properly used and which didn't dissolve into multi-forked versions of LMS as various

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread verypsb
erland wrote: Isn't that because Logitech generally blocks all non Logitech players from mysqueezebox.com provided premium streaming services ? That, and Squeezeslave doesn't support direct streaming. verypsb's Profile:

Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread Labarum
I have just installed Squeezeplayer for Android to my Nexus 7 Tablet from Googleplay. Works a treat. here in my Southampton flat I have no hardware Squeezebox but have been using Squeezeplay on a Windows 7 HTPC which is in the cupboard next to the lounge just behind the TV and speakers. A 3m

Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread bluegaspode
Wow - the Nexus + Dock looks indeed awesome bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=96282

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread bluegaspode
pippin wrote: But please be aware that despite all their lyrics about their 192kHz DAC the dock will only use 48kHz streams, everything else will be downsampled on iOS. 96kHz currently ONLY seems to work with the Camera Connection Kit for the iPad! Other streams will play fine, but as I

Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread Labarum
The dock only connects to the headphone analogue output. If that is good enough for you, and the sound is very good, you're there as soon as they appear in the shops. [image: http://gigaom2.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/nexus7dock-650x487-e1343743557559.jpg?w=300h=200crop=1]

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread Grumpy Bob
pippin wrote: But please be aware that despite all their lyrics about their 192kHz DAC the dock will only use 48kHz streams, everything else will be downsampled on iOS. 96kHz currently ONLY seems to work with the Camera Connection Kit for the iPad! Other streams will play fine, but as I

Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread HeadBanger
GeeJay wrote: For that reason, I think they are gonna let us blow off steam a little longer until they can get the next phase of their campaign rolling. When you look at their new strategy of marketing their products on the web in three separate units (business, peripherals and the UE audio

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread erland
ticalex wrote: 5/ No display at all. Even the simple LCD display of the original squeezebow where the weakness of the product (as logitech kept same harware, it is the same with logitech devices). With the low price of any smart phone, tablets, smart TVs a remote software can show

Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?

2012-09-04 Thread JohnB
erland wrote: Yes, that's the challenge and that's also why I think we shouldn't rush into anything at the moment, if everyone starts to create their own fork already now in panic we are going to end up in a much more confusing and unsure future than the one we currently have.

Re: [slim] Streaming to reciva radio from SB Touch with TinySC

2012-09-04 Thread bonze
Can TinySC transcode to MP3 on the Touch? http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/Remote_streaming bonze's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6150 View this thread:

Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread BTHOEM
Hi Erland - just landed on this URL: http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/ Version 10 is called UE Music Library and looks very much like todays SBS/LMS. Do you know if it works as Squeezebox server for our current SBs? Bjørn Tore

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread SBGK
erland wrote: People aren't buying stationary PC's these days, they are buying laptops or tablets, and neither laptops nor tablets is suitable for anything else than local playback through their internal speakers. wrong on 3 counts there.

Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?

2012-09-04 Thread yeomanspc
erland wrote: Yes, that's the challenge and that's also why I think we shouldn't rush into anything at the moment, if everyone starts to create their own fork already now in panic we are going to end up in a much more confusing and unsure future than the one we currently have. I agree

Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?

2012-09-04 Thread Labarum
yeomanspc wrote: We have no choice but to wait and see. And hope they are watching and listening? Labarum's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19963 View this thread:

Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread erland
BTHOEM wrote: Hi Erland - just landed on this URL: http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/ Version 10 is called UE Music Library and looks very much like todays SBS/LMS. Do you know if it works as Squeezebox server for our current SBs? Bjørn Tore There are two versions of the 10.0

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread erland
SBGK wrote: wrong on 3 counts there. When I said People it meant normal people not Geeks as most people in this community are in one way or another. erland's Profile:

Re: [slim] Would you pay for LMS - Subscription or One-Time?

2012-09-04 Thread pallfreeman
Labarum wrote: And hope they are watching and listening? It would make a refreshing change. pallfreeman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37667 View this thread:

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread jimzak
pippin wrote: But please be aware that despite all their lyrics about their 192kHz DAC the dock will only use 48kHz streams, everything else will be downsampled on iOS. 96kHz currently ONLY seems to work with the Camera Connection Kit for the iPad! Other streams will play fine, but as I

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread garym
jimzak wrote: Conclusion: The only solution to higher than 48kHz is to use the CCK with the iPad, then connect via USB to a DAC. Unfortunately the iPad will discharge in the process. :( Even with a PC and SqueezePlay, one is limited to 48kHz. I am unclear if that means anything to

Re: [slim] Streaming to reciva radio from SB Touch with TinySC

2012-09-04 Thread toby10
bonze wrote: Can TinySC transcode to MP3 on the Touch? nope toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=95618

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread slate
There is also Simple Audio... Well they are finally ready with their products which looks like a modernised Sonos. No Wireless, either LAN cable or Powerline. all types of formats upto 24/96 But lacking in other areas: - no mutiroom sync - missing support for MANY streaming services -

Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread BTHOEM
Installed the version I found here: http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=10.0 Looks very much like SBS/LMS, but my SB's does not see it. Bjørn Tore BTHOEM's Profile:

Re: [slim] What a time to launch a new SqueezeBox based product.

2012-09-04 Thread Osamede
Actually since I first encountered the SB Touch, the thing I have kept wondering is why Logitech never pushed this direction more aggressively - as in having the Squeezebox receiver functionality licenced to receiver manufactuers. Or even better, actually embedding the entire thing, including

Re: [slim] What a time to launch a new SqueezeBox based product.

2012-09-04 Thread JJZolx
Osamede wrote: Actually since I first encountered the SB Touch, the thing I have kept wondering is why Logitech never pushed this direction more aggressively - as in having the Squeezebox receiver functionality licenced to receiver manufactuers. Or even better, actually embedding the entire

Re: [slim] What a time to launch a new SqueezeBox based product.

2012-09-04 Thread dasmueller
At the price they mention I would guess these units will have small success How many are going to drop $1k on something like this ? I do like the concept you mentioned of having a squeeezebox-type product built right into an AV Receiver.

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread pippin
Grumpy Bob wrote: D'you know if one can charge via the camera connection kit (while playing a digital stream)? My googling would suggest not... Robert No. But maybe somebody eventually makes a dock that also supports 96 kHz

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread pippin
garym wrote: I wonder if the ipad use (limited to 48) also means that 16/44.1 stuff is converted to 48 rather than passed through as-is. No, at least with iPeng it will play as it is. And iPad DOES support 96kHz USB output, it's just that it's only with the CCK. If you use analog out on an

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread jimzak
slate wrote: There is also Simple Audio... Well they are finally ready with their products which looks like a modernised Sonos. No Wireless, either LAN cable or Powerline. all types of formats upto 24/96 But lacking in other areas: - no mutiroom sync - missing support for MANY

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread bluegaspode
jimzak wrote: There's also a 64k file limit :( ...and the things won't be in production until November at the earliest...and that date keeps sliding. It's basically a hi-res Sonos that is powerline-networked with software that's still more or less in beta. SimpleAudio had a booth at

Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread psketch
Squeezemenicely wrote: Yes a raspberrry Pi would make a pretty good SB alternative, but as you wrote - there is no good analogue or SPDIF out - yet. Also from what I understand streaming services like Spotify would not work on the Pi, not even via the Spotify premium addon. But, maybe

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread pippin
And just like last year, they didn't have any personnel for their booth on IFA but only some distributor type handling several products pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this

Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread norderney
BTHOEM wrote: Installed the version I found here: http://downloads.slimdevices.com/nightly/?ver=10.0 Looks very much like SBS/LMS, but my SB's does not see it. Bjørn Tore Very odd how this web page has the The heading Squeezebox Software Beta Downloads - Version 10.0 Does this suggest

Re: [slim] SB Alternatives

2012-09-04 Thread jimzak
bluegaspode wrote: SimpleAudio had a booth at IFA already 12 month ago claiming everything is ready to ship ... Sorry for the misinformation. I was looking at a long forum thread from the end of 2011. I believe the first units came out in Jan 2012.

Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-09-04 Thread qirex
The one thing I don't like about Sonos and most AirPlay-based solutions is the lack of a dedicated controller, when my alarm goes off in the morning and I want to skip a song and turn the volume down a bit the idea of unlocking my phone, switching apps, etc. just becomes incredibly unappealing.

Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread bluegaspode
norderney wrote: Or have they just been lazy and forgotten to change the heading of the page. This is the most obvious reason. It's a generated page, maybe it's even not easy to just change the heaer. As this is an unofficial page, I guess noone really cares (nor would I - never realized

Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread garym
norderney wrote: if they were planning to discontinue support for the Squeezebox product line? They have never said they were going to discontinue support. In fact, the only Logitech employee posting here has said the opposite. No new SB products? Yes. But they have promised continued

Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-09-04 Thread aubuti
qirex wrote: The one thing I don't like about Sonos and most AirPlay-based solutions is the lack of a dedicated controller It's definitely dated by now, but for Sonos there is this: http://www.sonos.com/shop/products/control Many, myself included, would say that the SB Controller was a direct

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Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread pallfreeman
garym wrote: But they have no plans to discontinue support for legacy SB products, including mysb.com and even these forums. Michael wrote, denying: LMS is dead - It will continue to see some bug fixing and updates to keep up with latest OS developments etc. So, *some* bug fixing. Updates

Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread GeeJay
Do any of these non-SB alternatives sync properly with the SBs? Given how long it took for the Squeeze team to get it right, that would be my biggest concern. GeeJay's Profile:

Re: [slim] Squeezebox without Logitech

2012-09-04 Thread the nightfly
Squeezemenicely wrote: At the moment the only fullfunctional alternative I see is an iPod running iPeng on a dock with SPDIF out. Adding the cost of the hardware it would still be cheaper than a Touch. That's pretty much the way I see it as well. For the time being, I'm going to continue

Re: [slim] What steps does community need to take to ensure continued function of SB players

2012-09-04 Thread SlimChances
Erland You said in an earlier post on this thread Squeezebox Classic/Boom/Transporter/Receiver all load their firmware via the local LMS, so for these there aren't any issue to load the firmware you like and they don't force mysqueezebox.com registration. Does this mean if I had to do a factory

[slim] Why Logitech SB is the best thing since sliced bread!

2012-09-04 Thread castalla
It's so flexible and easy to use ... compare any of the other streaming options, from internet radios to smart tv's. Almost every other streaming solution just locks you into what the device manufacturer gives you - and in most instances you get a pathetic jumble of services. The rush to

Re: [slim] CBC Music - doesn't work via SB but does via PC

2012-09-04 Thread RonM
I've posted a note in Music called CBC Music Channels, that gives the address for the OPML file that contains all the CBC Music Channels. R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this

[slim] CBC Music Channels

2012-09-04 Thread RonM
I've posted a note in Music, with the URL for the OPML file necessary to get all of these channels on LMS. R. RonM's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17029 View this thread:

Re: [slim] iPeng now your audiophile App-Squeezebox for iPhone and iPad

2012-09-04 Thread pippin
Here it is: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?96304-Recommended-Docks-for-iPeng-Playback pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread:

Re: [slim] Now the Squeezebox is dead, what would your next system be? And why?

2012-09-04 Thread johnas
Sonos has discontinued their dedicated controller. The cr200 suffered from widespread touch screen failures (see their forums). johnas's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31930 View this thread: