Re: [slim] Finally, the best Controller App arrives at iOS!
Well I had my first play with an iPod Touch yesterday just for a laugh, thought I'd try this. Shock, horror - it doesn't work. Logs into MySB.com but can't see the local server. Can only see a player once connected to MySB.com no option to escape from that screen. Really, why do you bother? -- rbz5416 rbz5416's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12089 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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rbz5416;655561 Wrote: Well I had my first play with an iPod Touch yesterday just for a laugh, thought I'd try this. Shock, horror - it doesn't work. Logs into MySB.com but can't see the local server. Can only see a player once connected to MySB.com no option to escape from that screen. Really, why do you bother? with the logitech app, one can't switch player back and forth between mysb.com and sbs. You can with iPeng app, which is better in many other ways to. -- garym System 1: Vortexbox Appliance (1.5) SbS 7.5.4 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) System 2: Win7(64) laptop SbS 7.6.1 Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.6 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym;655594 Wrote: with the logitech app, one can't switch player back and forth between mysb.com and sbs. You can with iPeng app, which is better in many other ways to.Not a case of switching because, as I said, the app doesn't see SBS at all. So the only thing it can do it control a player once it's been connected to MySB.com elsewhere. -- rbz5416 rbz5416's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12089 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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rbz5416;655599 Wrote: Not a case of switching because, as I said, the app doesn't see SBS at all. So the only thing it can do it control a player once it's been connected to MySB.com elsewhere. just to clarify, So if you switch your player to SbS (on the player itself), and can play music your sbs, the logitech app doesn't see the player? -- garym System 1: Vortexbox Appliance (1.5) SbS 7.5.4 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) System 2: Win7(64) laptop SbS 7.6.1 Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.6 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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rbz5416;655599 Wrote: Not a case of switching because, as I said, the app doesn't see SBS at all. So the only thing it can do it control a player once it's been connected to MySB.com elsewhere. Hmm. I don't use MySB.com but somehow it sees my local server. -- dborod dborod's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21049 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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dborod;655604 Wrote: Hmm. I don't use MySB.com but somehow it sees my local server. I think it sees whatever the player is ALREADY connected to (either mysb.com or your local sbs). Your player is connected to SbS, so the app sees that (which is what should be happening for the other poster). -- garym System 1: Vortexbox Appliance (1.5) SbS 7.5.4 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) System 2: Win7(64) laptop SbS 7.6.1 Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.6 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym;655603 Wrote: just to clarify, So if you switch your player to SbS (on the player itself), and can play music your sbs, the logitech app doesn't see the player?Correct. Initially all players were connected to SBS so it just reported that no players were found. From that screen there is nothing more you can do other than continually refresh where it continually fails to find any players, presumably because it can't see SBS. -- rbz5416 rbz5416's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12089 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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rbz5416;655606 Wrote: Correct. Initially all players were connected to SBS so it just reported that no players were found. From that screen there is nothing more you can do other than continually refresh where it continually fails to find any players, presumably because it can't see SBS. have you rebooted your iphone? Can't hurt. I can't play with this now, because I deleted the app shortly after installing it. iPeng is the best $10 I've spent on my squeezebox ecosystem. -- garym System 1: Vortexbox Appliance (1.5) SbS 7.5.4 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) System 2: Win7(64) laptop SbS 7.6.1 Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.6 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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garym;655614 Wrote: have you rebooted your iphone? Can't hurt. I can't play with this now, because I deleted the app shortly after installing it. iPeng is the best $10 I've spent on my squeezebox ecosystem.Yep, rebooted, re-installed, downloaded again, all to no avail. Certainly not going to waste any more time on it. -- rbz5416 rbz5416's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12089 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Logs into MySB.com but can't see the local server. Can only see a player once connected to MySB.com no option to escape from that screen. Really, why do you bother? Make sure your iPod is on the same network as your server. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mherger;655626 Wrote: Logs into MySB.com but can't see the local server. Can only see a player once connected to MySB.com no option to escape from that screen. Really, why do you bother? Make sure your iPod is on the same network as your server. -- Michael Ah. Good point. sometimes I think ipeng has gone on the blink then I realize that I'm still on 3G instead of my LAN wifi. -- garym System 1: Vortexbox Appliance (1.5) SbS 7.5.4 Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio) System 2: Win7(64) laptop SbS 7.6.1 Touch, Boom, Radio w/Battery (all ethernet except Radio and laptop) Retired: SB3, Duet Receiver Controlled at both locations with: iPhone (iPeng), iPad (iPengHD SqueezePad), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.6 on Win7(64) laptop Ripping (FLAC) - dbpoweramp, Additional Tagging - mp3tag garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mherger;655626 Wrote: Make sure your iPod is on the same network as your server. Michael Is this restriction ever going to be removed? I'd love to be able to manually enter the IP address of my SBS server; it is on a different net than my wireless LAN that drives my IPad and other devices. I know there was some talk earlier about fixing this but it's been silent for awhile. -mark -- mbonsack mbonsack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1398 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mherger;655626 Wrote: Logs into MySB.com but can't see the local server. Can only see a player once connected to MySB.com no option to escape from that screen. Really, why do you bother? Make sure your iPod is on the same network as your server. -- MichaelIt is. -- rbz5416 rbz5416's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12089 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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i finally tested this app. No, use SqueezePad or iPeng if you have an iSomething. scrolling is to juddery to be used . graphically it looks homemade, does not make use of the iPad screen at all. this UI may be somewhat ok on the Touch or tiny controller or radio screens. it's slow . it also suffers if the other apps are running if you run iPeng and SqueezePad simultaniusly you don't se much penalty for that, maybe a bit more sluggish response, but it really shows with this app. IPeng and SqueezePad offers a much better experience and nice features. Like iPengs relative volume UI for synced players, in general iPeng is the only UI that really works as it should with more than one player it finally makes sense to sync. and it forces you to enter mysb.com creds at first use duh ? 1. i have a local server that broadcast it's presense and has these creds aviable just query the server for these things in the background. 2. some user don't use mysb.com i don't intend to make fun of the devs regarding this app, it's seems to be done with a tigth shedule and other restrictions such as behave exactly as the controller even if you have an much better UI and touch features, it does not have the attention for details as you would expect if this was really developed from scratch to be used on a pad. so please don't spend any time on it, make SBS and mysb.com better with your limited resources. Cheapskates not willing to pay the tiny tiny cost for iPeng SqueezePad or SqueezeComander or any other app deserves this app in it's current state ;) -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17308 (It got assigned to Ben automatically, I suppose you may want to change bugzilla configuration so it assigns it to someone what works for Logitech) Thanks, did so. Let me know if you want one for the Biography plugin also, I just assumed you don't want that in Logitech's bug database since it's really a third party plugin. No bug report required, thanks. When I get to work on this issue again I'll test it anyway with my plugin ;-). -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] Finally, the best Controller App arrives at iOS!
erland;627118 Wrote: Would be a lot better to just show a list of SBS instances and ask me to select which one I like to use and then get the mysqueezebox account information from the selected SBS. I don't think there's a way in the api for controllers to retrieve the mysb account info, but I haven't looked that deeply into the api in while so I could wrong. -- wt0 -- SqueezeControl for webOS, http://www.angrygoatapps.com wt0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18760 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mherger;639961 Wrote: Is the Flickr app supposed to work in the Logitech iOS app ? Supposed to, yes :-/. I can confirm it's not working. -- Michael I briefly played with the Logitech app and I think Show Artwork doesn't work either. The app probably doesn't have an image browser built-in. -- wt0 -- SqueezeControl for webOS, http://www.angrygoatapps.com wt0's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18760 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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wt0;640194 Wrote:
I briefly played with the Logitech app and I think Show Artwork doesn't
work either. The app probably doesn't have an image browser built-in.
Show Artwork kind of works for me (on iPad) besides the fact that half
of the large artwork is displayed behind the artwork of currently
playing track. But the Biography third party plugin does not seem to be
able to show large pictures, I only get the default album cover picture
when I try to view a large artist image.
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EnochLight;626979 Wrote: Umm... I'm guessing you'r being sarcastic? iPeng is a rock solid app that still feels better than the official Logitech offering IMHO. Ipeng for Ipad is leagues ahead of the official app, which is TERRIBLE on the iPad. Ipeng on the Ipad is the best controller I have ever tried. Immediate, intuitive, truly geared towards clever navigation of one's library Giacomo -- gbruzzo SqbxSvr Running on MacMini Server - 1 Transporter - 1 Boom - 1 Controller http://www.last.fm/user/JackieBr/ http://www.last.fm/label/rarenoiserecords http://www.rarenoiserecords.com Support Mick Karn's family : www.rarenoiserecords.com/mick-karn-benefit-page RareNoiseRecords Jukebox : www.rarenoiserecords.com/jukebox gbruzzo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3633 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mherger;640359 Wrote:
Show Artwork kind of works for me (on iPad) besides the fact that
half
of the large artwork is displayed behind the artwork of currently
playing track. But the Biography third party plugin does not seem to
be
able to show large pictures, I only get the default album cover
picture
when I try to view a large artist image.
Erland - could you please file a bug? I know... but still...
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(It got assigned to Ben automatically, I suppose you may want to change
bugzilla configuration so it assigns it to someone what works for
Logitech)
Let me know if you want one for the Biography plugin also, I just
assumed you don't want that in Logitech's bug database since it's
really a third party plugin.
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Re: [slim] Finally, the best Controller App arrives at iOS!
Is the Flickr app supposed to work in the Logitech iOS app ? Supposed to, yes :-/. I can confirm it's not working. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Is the Flickr app supposed to work in the Logitech iOS app ?
I just get empty menus while they do work when I view them through the
Squeezebox Touch display, for example the My Apps/Flickr/Interesting
Photos menu.
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Re: [slim] Finally, the best Controller App arrives at iOS!
mdconnelly;639576 Wrote: Interesting observations I have been an iPeng user (and fan) for a long time, but most of my family including my wife and her new iPad, don't like it. This is why I started to write SqueezePad nearly a year ago and why every household has a need for both iPeng and SqueezePad :) -- bluegaspode Did you know: *'SqueezePlayer' (www.squeezeplayer.com)* will stream all your music to your Android device. Take your music everywhere! Remote Control + Streaming to your iPad? *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Interesting observations I have been an iPeng user (and fan) for a long time, but most of my family including my wife and her new iPad, don't like it. They just don't think it's very intuitive - particularly when it comes to switching between players (I've got 3) or adding albums to a playlist, or controlling whether the playlist is random song selection or in order. I realize a bit of hand-holding would get them thru it just fine, but they only use it occasionally and just don't find the UI intuitive (or maybe just because it's different from the Touch). Just my 2 cents -- mdconnelly Mike mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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bluegaspode;639579 Wrote: This is why I started to write SqueezePad nearly a year ago and why every household has a need for both iPeng and SqueezePad :) And why i have both squeeze pad, ipeng, and controller. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Didn't read all the post but I just discovered this. Tested it on an Ipod 8GB 3rd gen. I've been using iPeng for some time on it. First thing is that I was surprised I had to provide mysqueezbox.com credential. I have very little interest in the service... been running running a server and using iPeng this no issue. I am right in thinking the service might only word if I have an internet connection? Anyway, not that big of a deal, entered my account info and it worked fine. I like the fact that the interface is very similar to the squeezebox one. It's really easy to switch player / power on-off... Performance wise it's definitely not as good as Ipeng... a bit laggy on large menu but still quite usable (I've got about 1300cd). Feature wise it's also behind Ipeng... What I am actually the most excited about this is that my parents will probably prefer this app.. iPeng seemed of bit confusing to them (but then again they are easily confused). I think the logitech app will make more sense to them. Personally, I would probably continue to use Ipeng... although to be honest I use squeeze-play on my computer the most these days. Still a very good effort from logitech... simple to use and perfectly usable. I hope they will continue to support it actively. -- arekkusu arekkusu's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17552 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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OK, so I *think* I know what was happening in my case. I'm not absolutely certain on the following, maybe Michael can confirm? When you first run the app it asks for login and username for mysqueezebox.com. This is fine and easily keyed-in. My problem (and the problem of others) was that the app then asks for the login ID and username for the local squeeze-server even though there wasn't one, and I couldn't get past this stage in any way, other than by using a different laptop. So I got to thinking about what had changed and my conclusion is this. Because I was trying to access a library with exactly the same name, but on a different laptop, the app was trying to connect using the previous settings. As soon as I renamed my library all was ok and it found mysb and no longer asked for the login ID and user name. I suspect that on ANY failure to connect, the app asks for a login ID and username, leading users to think that this is actually needed. Rather, I think it is the pp's default response to a failure to connect... Anyhow, all now works for me under W7 and I'm happy! -- asdti asdti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38467 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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cool APP, but can you show us how this APP work? -- iverson iverson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=46462 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Another half-baked effort from Logitech. I've installed the app on my iPad2. It asks for my log-in to mysqueezebox.com (why??). When I enter the log-in details, it then takes me to the mysqueezebox.com site. From here, its not possible to access my music library. I tried deleting the app, reinstalled, entered the log-in details again. This time, the app told me my players were not connected (they were). There was no way to leave the page with this message. Surprised Apple allowed this app in the store. It sucks. -- johan73 Audio set-up: Squeezebox Duet TaraLabs Prism D1 Digital Mission DAC5 Audio Note AN-C Holfi Integra Oehlbach XXL-6 Infinity Kappa 6.2i johan73's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16968 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Interesting. My experience with the Logitech app on an iPod touch is completely the opposite. Connected fine right away to my local server. It's a fair bit simpler (ie, less full-featured) than iPeng, but I've found it reliable and easy to use. It's a nice step up from the SB Controller. I don't regret paying for iPeng at all, but if this were available before I bought iPeng a few weeks ago I may not have felt the need for iPeng. Or to put it another way, downloading iPeng would not have been the very first thing I did upon receiving the iPod. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Is it anything to do with Homegroups on W7 (I don't use them but I just wondered whether I should? I've seen the same report in the App Store. If it was you - thanks a lot! We need to investigate this. If not: you're not alone :-). I've opened a bug report to track this issue: http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17217 - feel free to add your comments. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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The problem with 7.3 from my perspective is how much code I still have to maintain specifically for it. From an Squeezeplay-API point of view, 7.3 was a horrid mess, it never worked as the documentation said and was generally pretty inconsistent. This has much improved since (well, after 7.4 which at least initially was even worse). iPeng contains a lot of hacks in the 7.3 code that are not necessary for newer versions of the server and also not _everything_ works as well with 7.3, there are quite a number of details that don't work as well with 7.3 as with newer version of the server (a lot of context menu stuff, some custom features like adding stuff to favorites in several places and then, of course, there is the cover wall in iPeng for iPad which doesn't work for 7.3's Music Services). But my point actually only was that you can't just drop support for an older server version, people simply don't just always upgrade... -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I have found that if I play something, then go and do something else. When I come back to play an album the app needs killing then re-starting or I just get the spinning wheel constantly after starting play, very annoying. -- wonder boy Squeezebox ex-fan boy and proud... 2x Boom 1x SB3 Just ordered SB Radio...do I need help I WISHED I HADNT!!! wonder boy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;627961 Wrote: @Erland: Well, some things fall away in one browser, e.g. a lot of the skins. Personally, I believe one browser is a good thing but I also see how many people still use 7.3.x instead of 7.5.x and that is something I also don't understand, so there are obviously different opinions around. Hi pippin, I stayed with 7.3.4 because it operates flawlessly, and also because I have no Touch or Radio that would require 7.5.x. I also see on this board many SC 7.5.x users that are unhappy or frustrated by the experience. In my case, I don't think I have anythig to gain by upgrading. I am very happy that both your iPeng and Bluegaspode's Squeezepad work well with SC 7.3.4. Both apps work absolutely great for me. I tried the new Logitech app...I won't be using it ever again. I don't beleive either of the third party app developers have anything to worry about. -- Squeezed_Rotel John Marshall SqueezeCenter 7.3.4 running on a DIY PC, Windows 7 64 bit o.s., with Inguz Audio EQ/DRC. (1) Transporter, (4) Booms connected through a Linksys WRT54gs router and Linksys WAP54g access point. Using an iPad with both SqueezePad iPeng for controllers. Transporter = Rotel RC1070 preamp = Rotel RB1080 2 channel amp = Bowers Wilkins 805 Speakers. Headphone setup: Transporter = Woo Audio WA22 balanced headphone amp = Sennheiser HD800 headphones. Squeezed_Rotel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Squeezed_Rotel;629847 Wrote: Hi pippin, I stayed with 7.3.4 because it operates flawlessly, and also because I have no Touch or Radio that would require 7.5.x. +1 I also have a lot of CLI stuff I wrote around the 7.1/7.3 days. I remotely maintain the music system in 3 households besides mine. The IR Blaster+iPeng combination forced me to upgrade to 7.4.2, which was possible without much trouble because I do not use my CLI stuff on my own 24/7 server. I will try and see if 7.6 is doing good with the pre-Logitech players and feature set. I'm not in a hurry. -- epoch1970 Daily dose delivered by: 3 SB Classic, 1 SB Boom iPeng (iPhone + iPad) SqueezeCenter 7.4.2 (Debian 5.0) with plugins: MusicIP Server Power Control by Gordon Harris WeatherTime by Martin Rehfeld IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) Find cover art by bpa BBC iPlayer, SwitchPlayer by Triode PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple TrackStat, Song Info, Song Lyrics by Erland Isaksson SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I managed to get this working - by loading SBS onto a Vista Laptop. I'm busy troubleshooting, but I think that the app couldn't connect to a Network made of W7 pcs in a Homegroup configuration (even though none of them used passwords to access). As soon as I loaded it to a Vista laptop it worked fine... Strangely, however, iPeng, squeemote, and my two Duets could all connect to the W7 one - only the Logi app had issues. Weird? -- asdti asdti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38467 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Really unusual problem for me - when i load the app it asks for my mysqueezebox username and password, which I key in. It then asks for the username and password for my squeezebox server for my music library. I cannot for the life of me see why it needs this (there isn't one). Things I have checked: 1. My duets, my iPeng and my Squeemote connect immediately without asking for it 2. I checked in security in queezebox server and I have no password set and access allowed to all devices on my local network 3. I checked my firewall and squeezebox server is given full access 4. I checked windows 7 network sharing and sharing is set to no password Help? Please! -- asdti asdti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38467 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Really unusual problem for me - when i load the app it asks for my mysqueezebox username and password, which I key in. It then asks for the username and password for my squeezebox server for my music library. I cannot for the life of me see why it needs this (there isn't one). Could you please give us some more information about your device (OS version?), SBS version, server on which SBS is running etc.? -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hi Michael iOS 4, latest SBS 7.4.1 r32171. I think (see official Logi threads too) that I'm not the only one. Odd thing is that nothing else (including my two duets) asks for this password/username. If I ignore it, then I get a mySB connection only (and I have to unload the iPhone app and re-download it to try to get into my music library again) Mark -- asdti asdti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38467 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hi Michael iOS 4, Which revision? latest SBS 7.4.1 r32171. Latest is 7.5.4... On what kind of system are you running this? Is SBS web UI listening on a different port than 9000? I think (see official Logi threads too) that I'm not the only one. Odd Where's that thread? -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hi Michael Running on Windows 7 SP1 Same issue happens with firewall running AND firewall completely disabled Listening on the standard port (nothing changed from default) I think this is the same issue: http://forums.logitech.com/t5/MySqueezebox-com-Squeezebox/iOS-application-does-not-display-any-local-music/td-p/614864 Is it anything to do with Homegroups on W7 (I don't use them but I just wondered whether I should? Still doesn't explain why the duet hansets (both of them) have no problem (and iPeng and Squeemote, though? -- asdti asdti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38467 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Been using iPeng for almost 2 years now, bought Squeezepad too, both of which have become evolved into fine apps. Out of curiosity I installed the Logitech app yesterday, but got fed-up when I had to enter my online-account. Why would they need that for a controller? Deleted it. Even still, the way I see it, the situation is good for all of us. Sonos was getting much publicity because their system could be controlled with their free app, now that Squeezebox has something similar, the platform hopefully becomes more popular. And since the pricing is much friendlier, hopefully the system will become mainstream. With that, it gets more interesting for Logitech to finally bring out some new players. For sure, developers will need to find another way of generating profit out of their apps in order to keep developing. The idea of creating a free/add-version proposed a few pages ago might be a good solution. I don't know about pricing, but I imagine if somebody uses the app for a few months and plays with for half an hour a day, the add-revenues will more than rise over the 7.99 you get when selling the app. -- hvb83 SB Receiver, Marantz SR5004, Harman Kardon HKTS11 SB Radio SB Server 7.5.1 running on a Synology DS210+ NAS iPhone running iPeng 1.2.8 and iPad running iPeng for iPad and SqueezePad hvb83's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39615 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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My bad, Michael - I meant 7.5.4 (the rest of my post above is correct!) I did also find another post somewhere else specifically about the squeezebox server (not mysb) password username issue! -- asdti asdti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38467 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I've noticed a couple of annoyances in the Logitech app. I don't recall if anybody else has noticed them: 1) When browsing albums from new music, you cannot touch-and-hold and get a menu with options to add the album to the playlist. You get this behavior when browsing albums with other methods. 2) When scrolling albums, the artwork does not update until the scrolling has come to a stop. -- maggior Rich - Setup: 2 SB3s, 4 Booms, 1 Duet, 1 Receiver, 1 Touch, iPeng on iPod Touch. SuSE 11.0 Server running SqueezeBoxServer 7.5.0, MusicIP, and SqueezeSlave. Current library stats: 34,767 songs, 2,776 albums, 505 artists. http://www.last.fm/user/maggior maggior's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9080 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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1) When browsing albums from new music, you cannot touch-and-hold and get a menu with options to add the album to the playlist. You get this behavior when browsing albums with other methods. This should be fixed in the next release. 2) When scrolling albums, the artwork does not update until the scrolling has come to a stop. This should be improved too. Though it could still get behind easily. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Unfortunately, those of us with original iPhones can't use the app since it's iOS 4.0 only. Is there a reason it could not have been made to work with iOS 3 as well? - Ken On 4/22/2011 8:28 AM, flattermann wrote: I did not find a thread about this great piece of software, therefore I'll open a new one. Finally, we do not need these crappy 3rd party apps anymore (they are too fast and too stable anyway), because the official Logi App is now available on iOS as well. ;-) http://blog.logitech.com/2011/04/21/squeezebox-controller-app-for-ios-now-available/ http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/logitech-squeezebox-controller/id431302899?mt=0# ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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kjg;629256 Wrote: Unfortunately, those of us with original iPhones can't use the app since it's iOS 4.0 only. Is there a reason it could not have been made to work with iOS 3 as well? Perhaps they wanted to support iPeng (e.g.) and make it even more attractive? :D -- copperstate copperstate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34756 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I get the album covers in the Spotify browse menus (I'm using Triodes plugin), but the big album cover for currently playing track still doesn't work for Spotify tracks. I'm sorry for this. Handling of non-absolute file paths was broken. And only Triode's plugin seems to have exposed this issue (so far). It should be fixed in the next release. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I use iPeng on the touch and iphone. I like iPeng and find it easy to use. However, I do have to say that the Logitech app is the winner in my wife's eyes. She always had issues with selecting players and some navigating. With the logitech app, she has no issues doing what she likes to do. Which is just select a player and the music. She does not care about sync, plugins or lists. For her this is the perfect app. -- froth froth's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11878 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I am now back to 7.5.4 and the Squeezebox application works.. Yet, the interface is so unintuitive, specifically Search/Playlist Why that album art shall take half of the usable iPad screen? I am still sticking to Chrome on my X201 laptop -- michael123 Please fix http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=16814 michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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)p(;627112 Wrote:
The only issues I have seen so far are that no album covers are shown
for spotify.
I get the album covers in the Spotify browse menus (I'm using Triodes
plugin), but the big album cover for currently playing track still
doesn't work for Spotify tracks. I'm using an iPad and the big album
cover do work in SqueezePad so I think it's related to the Logitech
app.
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erland;628302 Wrote: I get the album covers in the Spotify browse menus (I'm using Triodes plugin), but the big album cover for currently playing track still doesn't work for Spotify tracks. I'm using an iPad and the big album cover do work in SqueezePad so I think it's related to the Logitech app. Afraid I can't verify this - I can't get it to find my server as its on a different subnet :( Michael - are you using discovery packets to find the server? If so adding a dialog and then sending the discovery packets to a unicast destination rather than to the broadcast address is all you need to do to support servers on differnet subnets. -- Triode Triode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Afraid I can't verify this - I can't get it to find my server as its on a different subnet :( Enhancement request #1 (more than removing the mysb.com nag screen...). Tried to install your plugin to see why it wouldn't work with the large artwork. Unfortunately my Premium status has expired :-(. Could you please send me a network.cometd log with an example of the playerstatus information which includes the large artwork? -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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To be a bit more specific, do you have any ideas of what kind of extra functionality you (or other users) would need in a third party app to be willing to spend $10 instead of using the free Logitech app ? Erland, Personally, I have never felt a need for anything more than the infra-red remote control. I have been completely satisfied using it. Downloading the Logitech Controller app was out sheer curiosity. But I think that the most compelling reason for a person to buy an app to control their Squeezebox, from an portable touch pad device, would be to have a user interface that is consistent with device's operating system user interface (iOS, Android, whatever it may be) So in short, an iOS device should have a user interface which is similar to iOS's native interface. And probably these users are used to using iTunes and having its features eg. easy to install app that has all bells/whistles working out of the box, without having to install/enable plugins. I loved your Trackstat plugin, but regular Squeezecenter/Squeezebox server updates later it breaks, and I gave up after having to reinstall it. Features that allow star ratings (ala trackstat plugin), automatic album artwork retrieval, cover flow, play similar artists/genres/music ala Squeezescrobbler, retrieval of lyrics, artist biography/discography, critic's reviews, Youtube links, Facebook integration (ala Shazam), direct download of music (or synchronize) to their iOS device. Perhaps individuals could get together an form a development team, rather than go at it alone. -- tktran tktran's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19764 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Erland, you used to be able to configure a SBR from scratch with SP on the computer. not long after i informed slim of this, they seemingly removed that ability, forcing a user to need a SBC to do so. absolutely evil and stupid thing of them to do. so one thing that would be nice, would be to put that back in SP, and have it work on these devices and computer. -- MrSinatra www.lion-radio.org using: sb2 droid (my home) / duet ipeng (parents' home) - sbs 7.5.5b - win7 xp pro sp3 ie9 - p4(ht) 3.2ghz, 2gig ram - 1tb wd usb2 raid1 - d-link dir-655 - 49k+ mp3/flac ::VOTE FOR 'BUG 15604' (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15604)!!!:: MrSinatra's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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This app is good and compares favourably with Squeezepad. Logitech have readily available repeat/shuffle buttons, Squeezepad looks better and has WOL. The lack of WOL in the Logitech app is a major omission, and a show stopper for me. Keith -- KMorgan - Sorry, can't spare enough hours today for that 5 min job on the computer. KMorgan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland;627796 Wrote: To be a bit more specific, do you have any ideas of what kind of extra functionality you (or other users) would need in a third party app to be willing to spend $10 instead of using the free Logitech app ? I think it's time to integrate smartphone/tablet features into the experience. - My iDevices know where I am (very much so it seems), so a link to TicketMaster (or equivalents) could be nice - I believe a paper catalog of the database would be great. I'm not exactly sure of what a page should look like to serve equally well those who think by album and those who think by songs/playlists. But I want a QR code in the corner of the card, be able to flash that with the camera and have the system play. With my iPhone 4 a high density QR code of about 1 inch square (2 to 3 cm) is readable securely with the camera. I am a bit surprised Apple didn't link its print services to iTunes already. Maybe some legal issues? - I want anything, be it the server or smart devices, to handle mixing music with system actions. Playlists that start with IR blaster power on, volume up and end with the opposite actions. Playlists that store a continuous loop tag by default. Playlists that play this radio for 30 minutes, then max volume and ring alarm for 10 minutes, then power off. I posted a long time ago about this idea, I don't see this is going to happen in the stock SBS anymore, so perhaps a plugin or smart device should do the job. - I'd like to see the smart device, which is always on, act as a proxy for srvPowerControl. It could gather usage and location data when the server is offline, and help it get smarter the next time it wakes up. Don't bother the morning alarm and daily db rescan, I'm out of town, 9 times out of 10 this week I was still at home when you entered suspend, and I had to wake you up again to play - I'd hate this but I guess an elaborate use of Facebook is possible, and the smart device is the place to do that. A social MIP maybe ? The sound of Paris, this week (urgh.) - I'm not sure there is much to do in the area of music recognition ala Shazam. But what about using the integrated mic to use the smart device as a backup when the system says it is playing but no sound can be heard? I see this sometimes when my amp and player goes out of sync, if the device could send another IR blast to check ambiant noise level goes up that could save the day. I don't know if the mic could support some sort of DRC process but surely walking a room phone in hand is easier than setting up a microphone and fiddling with a PC. - Smart devices features are also the apps I am using the most. The alarm clock in the morning: do you want to double that alarm on the SB system?. The iPod app: so you arrived home, do you want to follow on that playlist on the SB system?. The telephone (at last :): Someone's calling. Let's mute the SB audio And in general it is time to $monetize$ your media space. I don't know where the big audio brands spend their media money but I believe sliding an ad among iPeng screensavers could make sense for them. Untactful advertising/unsollicited messages fail, but with clear targeting and tasteful integration with the media (the app screens) there might be a value. And this integration level is only achievable by the app developers. I believe that in order to reach critical mass, all developers should syndicate into a single media network. With that working, a free controller might be possible, instead of the upfront $10 we see today. One last thing. Not too smartphone-related, and I wouldn't use the feature much as I am not an avid radio listener, but the ability to record programs as a VCR application does might make sense. That's all for today. Sorry for the waste of bandwidth ;) -- epoch1970 Daily dose delivered by: 3 SB Classic, 1 SB Boom iPeng (iPhone + iPad) SqueezeCenter 7.4.2 (Debian 5.0) with plugins: MusicIP Server Power Control by Gordon Harris WeatherTime by Martin Rehfeld IRBlaster by Gwendesign (Felix) Find cover art by bpa BBC iPlayer, SwitchPlayer by Triode PowerSave by Jason Holtzapple TrackStat, Song Info, Song Lyrics by Erland Isaksson SaverSwitcher, ContextMenu by Peter Watkins. epoch1970's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16711 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Hi, Most seems to agree that there needs to be a Mobile UI offering. But some think Logitech should just reuse the existing 3'rd party apps. And others think they should have created new real apps from the ground up. I can think of a few good reasons for Logitech's decisions: 1. Consistant User experience across SB devices - moving from controller, Radio, Touch, Boom, Android, Ios should not give fundamentally different experience and control. Most users like it when UI's are consistant. I know some users here don't understand this because they just spent 150 $ on a SB reciever and use iPeng to control it. But I have spent 1.000 $ on different SB devices (Duet, Booms, Radio) so I appreciate to have consistant experience across all. 2. Control over User Experience -unless Logitech actually decided to buy the source code, they wouldn't have full control over user experience. 3. Maintenance -It's obviously easier to maintain the app's if they don't wonder to far from the rest. They already have quite a few UI's to worry about and they already had a Touch-enableded UI (Touch). Also keep in mind, this is the first iteration of the App's, perhaps we will see a few tweeks in the future. Cheers -- Letten Sboxes: Duet, Classic, Radio, 2 Boom's Server: HP Laptop, Core i5-540M, 4Gb DDR3, WOL (Wake-on-lan), 1.7watt suspended, Windows 7, SBS 7.5.3 Router: Linksys WRT54G wireless Letten's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16718 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Letten;627833 Wrote: 1. Consistant User experience across SB devices - moving from controller, Radio, Touch, Boom, Android, Ios should not give fundamentally different experience and control. Most users like it when UI's are consistant. That's not an argument. You could have easily done that with a native App or even one of the existing ones. This App also only LOOKS like the other UIS, it's not using SqueezePlay code. I know some users here don't understand this because they just spent 150 $ on a SB reciever and use iPeng to control it. But I have spent 1.000 $ on different SB devices (Duet, Booms, Radio) so I appreciate to have consistant experience across all. Which you don't, right now, because the UI and even menu structure is different between Booms and Radio/Duet 2. Control over User Experience -unless Logitech actually decided to buy the source code, they wouldn't have full control over user experience. Already now they have 50% control over the user experience since they define most of the menus structure and behavior, even for iPeng. For the rest, the answer to #1 applies. 3. Maintenance -It's obviously easier to maintain the app's if they don't wonder to far from the rest. They already have quite a few UI's to worry about and they already had a Touch-enableded UI (Touch). This IS an argument against native Apps in general, which are very hard to combine. Agreed. But don't be mislead by the Look of the App, this is NOT SqueezePlay. It may share a bit of code with the WebUI, though, not sure about that. However, I'll be really interested how Logitech will solve that maintenance issue. In the past, Logitech's strategy has been to match firmware with the server software. You can't do that anymore here. Will be interesting to see what happens when 7.6 comes out: Will you have to update the App to use it then (right now a lot of things don't work with onebrowser)? And will that updated App still work with older server incarnations or will you also have to change your server version? Or will they finally make the API more stable so that it's able to work with more than one version at a time? It'll be an interesting experience. We as 3rd party developers have been lobbying for a more stable API for years (myself for at least three) without being heard, maybe this changes if Logitech run into the same issues. And then there is the one really serious issue with the MySB design I recently learned about and that Logitech obviously has not even noticed at all, I sincerely hope they never really have to cope with it, currently I'm doing a bit of a nasty fix for it although I'm not even sure it applies to iPeng... -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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see what happens when 7.6 comes out: Will you have to update the App to use it then (right now a lot of things don't work with onebrowser)? And What does not work with onebrowser? The latter is what I am running on my home-server. And it's been fine so far. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Out of my head: No album context menus. No volume control Had at least one server crash when using the App. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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No album context menus. For music services? Did you file a bug? I just saw another one, might be a dupe actually (http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17185). Is this limited to onebrowser? No volume control How this? Works fine here. Had at least one server crash when using the App. Do you know how it died? I would be surprised if it was able to kill the server using the app. But I have seen issues (memory leaks) Alan has never been able to reproduce. He doesn't use the app. So this might be a trace to follow... -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mherger;627852 Wrote: No volume control[/color] How this? Works fine here. Can't reproduce right now. When I tried it this morning, volume would neither be updated nor could it be changed. Volume changes always lag a lot behind, but that's probably not onebrowser specific. Do you know how it died? I would be surprised if it was able to kill the server using the app. But I have seen issues (memory leaks) Alan has never been able to reproduce. He doesn't use the app. So this might be a trace to follow... Famous last words... Code: Slim::Utils::Timers::__ANON__ (260) Error: Timer Slim::Web::Cometd::sendResponse failed: illegal file descriptor or filehandle (either no attached file descriptor or illegal value): at /Users/.onebrowser/server/Slim/Networking/IO/Select.pm line 149. Segmentation fault -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;627870 Wrote: Famous last words... Code: Slim::Utils::Timers::__ANON__ (260) Error: Timer Slim::Web::Cometd::sendResponse failed: illegal file descriptor or filehandle (either no attached file descriptor or illegal value): at /Users/.onebrowser/server/Slim/Networking/IO/Select.pm line 149. Segmentation fault That error seems to be pretty common, I'm getting it constantly every ~20 seconds. (Without using the Logi App.) Furtunately, I'm not getting a segfault afterwards. :-) -- flattermann Christian Home of 'SqueezeCommander' (http://www.squeezecommander.com) - The SqueezeBox Remote Control App for Android flattermann's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33169 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ooops, overlooked that one: mherger;627852 Wrote: No album context menus. For music services? No, for Albums. Is this limited to onebrowser? No idea. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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No album context menus. For music services? No, for Albums. Oh, thanks for the heads up: I had only tested it with services. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;627839 Wrote:
In the past, Logitech's strategy has been to match firmware with the
server software. You can't do that anymore here. Will be interesting to
see what happens when 7.6 comes out: Will you have to update the App to
use it then (right now a lot of things don't work with onebrowser)? And
will that updated App still work with older server incarnations or will
you also have to change your server version?
Just out of curiosity, can't they just force you to upgrade to the
latest server if you like to upgrade the app ?
And force you to upgrade the app if you want to upgrade to the latest
server ?
And show a user friendly message if the server version isn't
compatible.
They have pretty much already done this on the firmware/SBS/MySB
combination where you are forced to upgrade the firmware so it matches
SBS or MySB to ensure it works correctly and you are more or less
forced to upgrade SBS when they upgrade MySB.
It's probably easier for Logitech to synchronize this than third party
developers, I guess Logitech can always hold the SBS/MySB release until
Apple has reviewed the new app version and when Apple makes the new
version available in the AppStore Logitech release the new MySB and SBS
version to the public.
However, I do agree that it will be a bit more complicated than today
where they have more or less control of the versions used on each
device. Hopefully it results in that Logitech needs to be a bit more
careful when doing interface changes that aren't compatible in the
future.
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Of course they can do that. You can see how happy people are about this today. Expect people to be even more happy when it's about onebrowser, which does bring quite a few changes a few people might not want. Plus there is some more to it: will new App versions always support old devices? Or will you then have to use an old server if you've got an old iPhone but you then can't get a new iPad because that would run the new App which only works with the new server? And what about MySB? I agree it's not a short-term issue. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin;627896 Wrote:
Of course they can do that. You can see how happy people are about this
today.
I'm not saying it's a good idea but neither is the current solution
which forces people to upgrade SBS just because Logitech decides to
upgrade their central MySB server. Their current choices kind of
indicates that easy maintenance is sometimes prioritized higher than
user satisfaction. Of course, it's probably going to increase their
support, so this might stop them to select this path.
I've seen other iOS apps consisting of an app and server part that have
forced me to upgrade the server to be able to use the new app, so they
wouldn't be the only company choosing a solution like this.
Still, I agree, it's not going to make people happy, especially if they
would decide to not support older iOS firmware versions in new app
versions.
pippin;627896 Wrote:
Expect people to be even more happy when it's about onebrowser, which
does bring quite a few changes a few people might not want.
Maybe not the topic for this thread but do you have some specific
samples of where you think this might occur. I'm asking since I plan to
use onebrowser in plugins so your comment makes me think there is
something obvious I've missed. I know there are smaller changes but I
haven't noticed any serious change that might cause people to refuse to
upgrade.
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pippin;627896 Wrote: Of course they can do that. You can see how happy people are about this today. I'm happy with any decision that will make people realize that bying a third party App will make their life easier :). So I have no problem at all with trying to force users to upgrade their App to a new server version. -- bluegaspode Big Screen for great Boxes available now at your AppStore: *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* - -now featuring streaming to iPad!- Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) Setup: 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 2xSB-Radio Server (7.5.x) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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@Erland: Well, some things fall away in one browser, e.g. a lot of the skins. Personally, I believe one browser is a good thing but I also see how many people still use 7.3.x instead of 7.5.x and that is something I also don't understand, so there are obviously different opinions around. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I feel a lot of people seem a bit negative about the app. I have iPeng, but downloaded the Logitech app as well out of curiosity. And I must say, it works really well! It is fast and very easy to use. However, there aren't as many functionalities as iPeng, like being able to sync/unsync other players. But the lack of advanced features can actually be a good thing, because now it is so simple and straightforward to use, without the sometimes confusing icons iPeng has. I think it is a big hit! -- treble treble's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2797 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Long time lurker, seldom poster. I've been a Squeezebox user since '07, but followed it's development since it was just Slim Devices, limited availability, Squeezebox 3 era. Having seen the takeover by Logitech, I'm glad they haven't killed it off or run it into the ground. IMHO the development of an iOS/Android app is expected, and probably a little overdue. I feel that although the Sonos is technically an inferior product, it's marketted and sold far better. I installed the app on my iPad 2 and gave it a spin. Although it provides fairly basic functionality, if it's as good as the default infra-red remote control that ships the SB's, the vast majority of users have little to complain about. Especially when considering the price. A third party app will need to deliver a superior experience and/or features to stay viable. -- tktran tktran's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19764 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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tktran;627788 Wrote:
A third party app will need to deliver a superior experience and/or
features to stay viable.
To be a bit more specific, do you have any ideas of what kind of extra
functionality you (or other users) would need in a third party app to
be willing to spend $10 instead of using the free Logitech app ?
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gharris999;627158 Wrote: As far as I can tell, the Logitech app has no ability to WOL the local SBS server. That's a deal breaker for me. I guess you get what you pay for. I don't see this is a real problem. Just use squeezepad to wake up all your devices and then swap to the logitech app - oh and I guess you may need to swap back to shut everything down when you have finished? One of of my concerns has been that the enthusiast developers of the existing apps might at some point lose interest / move on to other things for one reason or another. So having a proprietary offering is comforting. However the beauty of squeezepad, which is all I have experience of, is that it improves the usabilty no end. It brings everything together on 1 screen and integrates your own library with external content. It's a much more intuitive experience. The logitech offering seems a direct port of their terribly outdated looking pc software. Whilst I know this is the first version I think they have missed a trick. -- andyman99 andyman99's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23181 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I am an happy customer of iPeng (much prefer the iPhone interface to the iPad one, I have to say) but frankly I wonder what the developers of iPeng and Squeezepad were thinking it was going to happen. Did you think for a moment that Logitech would have left Sonos with the free app by itself? Were you hoping for Logitech to buy your code and make a nice amount of money out of it (it would be totally understandable)? Otherwise, I don't get the... resentment that I perceive in this thread. -- gorman gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Well, I now have all 3 apps - the iPeng for iPhone, Squeezepad and now the Logitech app. For many users out there the free app will be exactly what they need. I am glad I spent money on the 3rd party apps and they work perfectly for me. It somehow has to be made clear that the Logitech app is sort of entry level and when you want more control and features - you need iPeng or Squeezepad. I hope that Developers can put this across, otherwise consumers will simply jump the free wagon, which could mean that Developers stop working on their apps - which leaves us app users in the dust. Giving the Logitech app bad ratings is not the answer, since it works well and I am glad there is now an official app. All you can do is spread the word in the forums and hope that there will be enough geeks wanting to spend money on apps. I guess most buyers of your apps are from this forum anyway. All in all you will definitely loose new customers, but I still hope you will continue developing for your loyal customers. -- Squeezemenicely Squeezebox Server 7.5.3 on Synology DS-410j NAS Squeezebox Receiver Squeezebox Boom Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Installed and using this morning, seems as quick and as responsive as iPeng if not more so, not trashing my battery either. Loaded iPeng to have a qucik compare only to be confronted by the all too often 'synchronising cache' progress bar that seems to take an age to complete, this coupled with no thumb art work prompted me to go back to the free logitech one. As a company, Logitech and often it's developers are bashed on these forums I for one am grateful for their efforts on this app, thank you. Not sure of their motivation though to produce a free app, altruism alive and well this Easter time? -- wonder boy Squeezebox ex-fan boy and proud... 2x Boom 1x SB3 Just ordered SB Radio...do I need help I WISHED I HADNT!!! wonder boy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15950 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'll definitely point out to the existence of iPeng and Squeezepad in my review of the Logitech app. I think all satisfied customers of both app ought to do the same, to keep the market healthy and competitive. -- gorman gorman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=56 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I find the reviewers who give the Logitech app just 1 star, really unfair. This will not help promoting the 3rd party apps, there is nothing wrong with the Logitech app - it actually works rather nicely. -- Squeezemenicely Squeezebox Server 7.5.3 on Synology DS-410j NAS Squeezebox Receiver Squeezebox Boom Squeezemenicely's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41812 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Did you think for a moment that Logitech would have left Sonos with the free app by itself? Yep, it's a 'tick box' item now for any supplier of streamers. Logitech had to have this. -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I have both iPeng and SqueezePad. IMHO, this new free app is a swing and a miss. The iPeng and SqueezePad apps have far more real value, I mean really, $10 for quality product vs freefree of value is more like it. My home screen is empty save for internet radio and settings. Nothing from my existing SC instance running on my server. Maybe someone can tell me if a sync is needed to populate the home screen. If it actually did work like a SC web ui, it might be worth a star or two. -- Squeezed_Rotel John Marshall SqueezeCenter 7.3.4 running on a DIY PC, Windows 7 64 bit o.s., with Inguz Audio EQ/DRC. (1) Transporter, (4) Booms connected through a Linksys WRT54gs router and Linksys WAP54g access point. Using an iPad with both SqueezePad iPeng for controllers. Transporter = Rotel RC1070 preamp = Rotel RB1080 2 channel amp = Bowers Wilkins 805 Speakers. Headphone setup: Transporter = Woo Audio WA22 balanced headphone amp = Sennheiser HD800 headphones. Squeezed_Rotel's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30002 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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@gorman Which resentment? Actually Logitech's move is totally understandable and at least for me, I have to expected it for a very long time and even knew about it for months. I personally don't believe doing a web app was a good idea although it A) is good for web app standards. I've seen much worse ones and some of those were among the headline apps thought to promote web app technology. B) it's the trend of the day. A lot of companies do that because they believe they can keep development and maintenance costs down and don't have to make platform decisions. I believe it's a bad idea because it doesn't use the potential of the platforms and long term those, like Aplle and Sonos, who do use it will have an advantage. My personal resentment with how Logitech is handling things is not with how they handle this App, it's about how they handle their core product line: when was the last new product released? How much staffing do they still have? Ok, MySB did not break down on Easter this year but still, I don't believe the current modus operandi is sustainable. -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland;627166 Wrote: I think anyone who feel that $10 for an app is problematic should start thinking about what their iOS hardware, Squeezebox hardware and receiver/amplifier/speakers costs. An extra $10 to make it possible to take full advantage of the Squeezebox in comparison to what most of us have payed for the surrounding hardware isn't that much. As I've said previously, it's about the same price as a burger meal or two, I'm definitely going to enjoy the Squeezebox music a lot longer than I usually remember a burger meal. You're right, and you're wrong. Sure, $10 is a nominal price for something that you use every day to enhance your experience with equipment for which you paid hundreds or even thousands of dollars. I happily paid it for iPeng and consider it money well spent. Unfortunately for the third-party developers, $10 is a pretty significant price point in the app world, and I fear there are many who will balk at it when there is a free, albeit vastly inferior, alternative. In taking the Squeezebox from a niche to a mass-market item, Logitech is destroying the spirit on which this product was built and which produced the majority of the early plugins that made the SB what it is today. Remember, however, that those plugins were generally offered to our little community free of charge or at most a voluntary donation. I don't dissuade Pippin and others from trying to get as much as they can for their hard work, but in the app world, $10 is a hefty price, and I fear that with a free alternative now available the third-party developers will be forced to reduce their price or become victims of the SB evolution to a mass product. -- Kyle Regards, Jim Kyle's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2541 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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andyman99;627232 Wrote:
One of of my concerns has been that the enthusiast developers of the
existing apps might at some point lose interest / move on to other
things for one reason or another.
I really don't like to say this but to be honest I think people should
be a lot more worried that Logitech will move on to other things than
third party developers moving on, more or less Logitech has had focus
on other products during the last 2-3 years. The main reason third
party developers move away is because they feel that Logitech aren't
putting enough resources into maintaining the core of their system
(MySB and SBS) and also not focusing on keeping the API's stable/good.
As mentioned previously, the Logitech app can hopefully at least
contribute in keeping the API's more stable as changing them now will
cause problems for Logitech too.
I've no problem with Logitech providing a free app, what I do have
problem with is how they do it. They could have provided a free app a
lot cheaper and better by just collaborating with existing third party
developers and then they would still have resources left to improve the
core in their system (MySB and SBS). If Logitech don't want to spend
much resources on the products it's really important that they do spend
the small amount of time they are willing to spend on the core which
will affect everything else and not on extras (like the Android and iOS
apps and Facebook integration).
I really hope Logitech at least plans to maintain and improve its iOS
app so this isn't just a marketing trick to have a free app and they
now focus on something else when it has been released. It would be a
pity if maintenance of the Logitech app slowed down to the same speed
as the progress we have seen on the server side during the last 2-3
years. It would be even worse if it results in that even less resources
than today is spent on the core (SBS and MySB). If you look at more or
less every third party offering around the Squeezebox you will see that
they have had more releases and more feature additions than any of the
Logitech provided stuff. The part where Logitech have done their main
contributions is around speed and stability of the core and music
services offered through MySB, this is stuff which no one else can do
better than Logitech and due to this it's also the area where they
should focus their resources. The problem is that they can't do that
unless they collaborate with third party developers for the extras,
because it's the extras like a Facebook logo or App Store/Android
Market logo on the box that makes it easier to sell their products.
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Kyle;627263 Wrote:
Unfortunately for the third-party developers, $10 is a pretty
significant price point in the app world, and I fear there are many who
will balk at it when there is a free, albeit vastly inferior,
alternative.
Yea, the app world pricing doesn't really work for niche markets, the
current pricing on most apps are set based on the fact that there are a
lot of iOS devices out there. Unfortunately pretty few of these iOS
devices are owned by a user that also have a Squeezebox.
Kyle;627263 Wrote:
In taking the Squeezebox from a niche to a mass-market item, Logitech
is destroying the spirit on which this product was built and which
produced the majority of the early plugins that made the SB what it is
today. Remember, however, that those plugins were generally offered to
our little community free of charge or at most a voluntary donation.
Regarding donations, you can't live on it in an niche market, I know
this from my own experience. Donations works to keep the interest up
and get some extra toy or a free burger now and then but it won't give
you food on the table on daily basis, the market is too small for that
since you only get donations from the enthusiasts. I would never be
here by now if I did third party development for the money, I suspect
the main reason plugin/applet developers are still contributing free
plugins/applets are to:
1. Solve a problem the developer have in his/hers own setup.
2. Because it feels like they are part of something bigger (this isn't
really the case anymore but it were back in the SlimDevices days)
3. Make people happy and get appreciation through donations and
friendly words from community members.
I suspect the Android/iOS market related to Squeezebox in many ways
works the same as the previously used donation concept, the difference
is just that AppStore/Android Market offers a possibility to get an
income not just from enthusiasts but also from a few normal users. I
can't say for sure, but I'm pretty sure people like pippin, bluegaspode
and flattermann could have earned a lot more by spending their
development skills/time on non Squeezebox projects, they probably do
this mainly because they want to solve their own music system problems
and because it's nice to get appreciation from users using their apps.
The economical aspects just makes it a bit more interesting since it's
not completely wasted time.
Kyle;627263 Wrote:
I don't dissuade Pippin and others from trying to get as much as they
can for their hard work, but in the app world, $10 is a hefty price,
and I fear that with a free alternative now available the third-party
developers will be forced to reduce their price or become victims of
the SB evolution to a mass product.
I don't think reducing the price is an option, I've pretty sure
lowering the price to $5 won't duplicate the number of sold apps.
The enthusiasts are still going to get the third party offerings at $10
or even higher prices.
The users that want a free app are going to get that even if there is a
$5 third party offering, if there is a $2 third party offering some
might decide to try it but I'm pretty sure lowering the price to $2
won't result in 5 times the current number of sold apps.
If they want to do something with the pricing, they need to find a way
where they can charge the enthusiast $10 (most are easily willing to
pay even more) and still have a $2 option which is worth to get for the
normal users which else would have gotten the free app but still isn't
interesting for the enthusiasts. The question is just how to do this
without having to do a lot of new development for the $10 option.
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erland;627265 Wrote: I really hope Logitech at least plans to maintain and improve its iOS app so this isn't just a marketing trick to have a free app and they now focus on something else when it has been released. It would be a pity if maintenance of the Logitech app slowed down to the same speed as the progress we have seen on the server side during the last 2-3 years. It would be even worse if it results in that even less resources than today is spent on the core (SBS and MySB). Well it's either Michael improving the iOS/Android App and not working on the core anymore, or leave the App as it and focus on something else? Unless Logitech realizes they need more developers to maintain core AND their App now? Who is working still on the core? Andy doing LMS, Michael doing Apps, Ben doing SqueezePlay stuff (is he still?), leaves just Alan working on OneBrowser? Let's hope that Logitech Marketing now finally wakes up and is as least starting new campaigns promoting their App soon. Was in the store yesterday (MediaMarkt - big electronics market in germany) and what do I see first? A Sonos S5 well placed and visible, promoted with their free App in the areas of streaming players (similar to how it currently looks on their homepage) Where did I find the Squeezeboxes? Boom+Radio+Touch(!) somewhere at internet-radios. And how is Logitech promoting their App? On their WebPage behind all other players (in a land where users never scroll - even if they are able to find the well hidden scrollbar?) Mhmmm. Is that all? Let's sincerely hope, that this is just their first try just using what was there already. Please please Logitech, focus on your assets and just promote them as they deserve it? Now is a good chance. One doesn't even need to be creative, just looking at how the competition does it is all that is needed. -- bluegaspode Big Screen for great Boxes available now at your AppStore: *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* - -now featuring streaming to iPad!- Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) Setup: 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 2xSB-Radio Server (7.5.x) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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$10 for having had the opportunity and pleasure of using iPeng for a long time now was well worth that investment. But, that aside, there are still two very good reasons to use iPeng: -- playback -- remote access I didn't think either of those were that big a deal until I realized just how great it is to have my full music collection at my disposal when not at home. That's huge! Sure, the new app is nice and had Logi released that 2 years ago, we may never have seen an iPeng. But they didn't. -- mdconnelly Mike mdconnelly's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10312 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mdconnelly;627277 Wrote: $10 for having had the opportunity and pleasure of using iPeng for a long time now was well worth that investment. But, that aside, there are still two very good reasons to use iPeng: -- playback -- remote access I didn't think either of those were that big a deal until I realized just how great it is to have my full music collection at my disposal when not at home. That's huge! Sure, the new app is nice and had Logi released that 2 years ago, we may never have seen an iPeng. But they didn't. Don't you mean $15 - Playback/remote access is a $5 extra in-app purchase. -- onionjack onionjack's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=43873 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I'm going to choose to look on the bright side...at least Logitech is showing some interest in maintaining this product line by introducing an iOS App. Otherwise, wake me up when they decide to support Party Mode. Oh, wait, that isn't necessary anymore...iPeng already does that! -- GeeJay 2-SB3s, 1-Duet, 1-Touch...and an iPeng convert. GeeJay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11388 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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This app crashes when displaying the album list (I have a large library) How many albums? The artist list stops showing artist names after a while. The list keeps scrolling but nothing is displayed. How many artists? -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mherger;627318 Wrote: This app crashes when displaying the album list (I have a large library) How many albums? The artist list stops showing artist names after a while. The list keeps scrolling but nothing is displayed. How many artists? /QUOTE] There are about 5700 artists and 14000 albums. I rebooted my phone (3GS) and was able to view the album list, but it still crashes about half the time. -- dborod dborod's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21049 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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WTF is logitech's obsession with mysqueezebox.com. I don't see WTF using a wireless remote app has to do with having to connect to mysqueezebox.com. This behaviour and insisting that you have to see that f'ing stupid myapps sh1t in your browser is really irritating. As much as I'm happy with my Transporter, as soon as there's another viable platform I'm done with the whole Squeezebox thing. FFS, it's my music, my bandwidth and my listening experience - leave it the f!ck alone! -- kakklank kakklank's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33849 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I downloaded the iPad app and it seems better than the android version. However, it won't stop me from using iPeng/SqueezePad. I can see where newer users might skip spending a few dollars for the third party apps though... shame. -- realcodeguy realcodeguy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41870 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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)p(;627112 Wrote:
Playing with it some more..its pretty good for a v1 release. I think
most people will be pretty satisfied with it and wont be looking for
something else.
I've only tried it briefly yet but I tend to agree, normal users will
get the free Logitech app and think that's how good it's supposed to
be, they will never realize the extra usability, speed and features
offered by the third party apps.
The features that will continue to be unique to third party apps are:
- playback (not interesting for Logitech)
- usability (Logitech don't have the skills/time to give it focus)
- speed (Logitech don't have the time to give it focus)
Unfortunately I'm not sure this is enough for normal users. It's
clearly worth a lot more than $10 for those of us that know which
difference it makes, but most normal users will probably not realize
this.
It's also going to kill the Controller sales if Logitech decides to
market their iOS/Android apps, why get a Controller when you can get a
iPod Touch with same features plus touch screen and portable player at
same or lower price. Maybe not a big issue as the Controller has felt
old for quite some time, but still...
)p(;627112 Wrote:
I think the best approach for third party develops is to focus on
power/experienced users.
The question is just if that rather small market can generate enough
revenue to third party developers to make further development
interesting.
This new strategy where Logitech has decided to compete with third
party developers worries me a lot. We might soon only have the Logitech
provided functionality and then the future of the Squeezebox products
aren't looking that good, at least not for advanced users. I really
hope I'm wrong...
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kakklank;627082 Wrote:
WTF is logitech's obsession with mysqueezebox.com. I don't see WTF
using a wireless remote app has to do with having to connect to
mysqueezebox.com. This behaviour and insisting that you have to see
that f'ing stupid myapps sh1t in your browser is really irritating. As
much as I'm happy with my Transporter, as soon as there's another viable
platform I'm done with the whole Squeezebox thing. FFS, it's my music,
my bandwidth and my listening experience - leave it the f!ck alone!
It's not strange they want you to register since the switch between SBS
and mysqueezebox now happens automatically, the strange thing is that
the force me to enter the credentials when my SBS already have them.
Would be a lot better to just show a list of SBS instances and ask me
to select which one I like to use and then get the mysqueezebox account
information from the selected SBS.
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erland;627116 Wrote: Unfortunately I'm not sure this is enough for normal users. It's clearly worth a lot more than $10 for those of us that know which difference it makes, but most normal users will probably not realize this. This is, where AppStore comments and ratings come into play. -- bluegaspode Big Screen for great Boxes available now at your AppStore: *'Squeezebox + iPad = SqueezePad ' (www.squeezepad.com)* - -now featuring streaming to iPad!- Want to see a Weather Forecast on your Radio/Touch/Controller ? = why not try my 'Weather Forecast Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=73827) Want to use the Headphones with your Controller ? = why not try my 'Headphone Switcher Applet' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=67139) Setup: 1x SB-Controller+Receiver (Duet), 1xSB-Boom. 2xSB-Radio Server (7.5.x) running on SheevaPlug (Ubuntu) with attached Western Digital MyBook Essential. bluegaspode's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31651 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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epoch1970;626983 Wrote:
I'm not sure why Logi wouldn't have tried to strike a deal with the 1/3
app developers out here (or did they?)
Probably because they think they can do it cheaper and/or better
themselves, which we if course know they can't, at least not better.
I really wish we would see more collaboration between third party
developers and Logitech but unfortunately Logitech management doesn't
seem to be very interested in collaboration with third party
developers.
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bluegaspode;627119 Wrote: (of which is 70% explaining how Squeezeboxes work). Guess why I never added Receiver setup to iPeng. I even have users that DON'T use iPeng and are telling me Logitech sent them to me about setup issues!!! To be fair: you have to add at least another 10 for explaining how iThingies, App Store and iTunes work -- pippin --- see iPeng, the Squeezebox iPhone remote and *New: iPeng for iPad*, at penguinlovesmusic.com pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Nothing to stop 3rd party developers offering a feature-limited free version on the app store, but leave the in-app purchase option for playback. -- amcluesent amcluesent's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10286 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=87212 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
