I also just play local FLACs and don't use streaming services much
except the BBC and occasionally other radio stations.
If I wanted to use one or more streaming services such as Qobuz, Spotify
etc I'd have to pay for that anyway, well over £100 per year each. I
probably wouldn't want to pay
I listen 90% of the time to my own music libray (10,000 FLAC files) and
10% of the time to BBC via one of the 3rd party plugins. I have never
used mysqueezebox.com nor any other online service. I'm not interested
in Spotify or anything like that.
Provided any repalcement could handle the above,
erland wrote:
Short term:
Related to this, would you be willing to pay an annual or one time fee
if you would be sure it would make it possible for you to continue using
your Squeezebox hardware with current or similar features ?
I'm just asking because I think it's unlikely that
The thing with mysqueezebox.com providing access to streaming services
is that it's a proxy authentication service for music services with
contracts with Logitech to allow Squeezebox access. A pay service
attempting to provide that same service would be redundant unless it,
too had some sort of
me, too.
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I listen primarily to my own library so I don't think I would pay for
unnecessary services
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Take a look at squeeze2upnp. It's still in beta form, but I've been
using it for some time. If you rely on LMS, don't need multi-system
synchronisation, and have UPnP amplifiers, it's well worth trying.
See https://github.com/philippe44/LMS-to-uPnP
LMS 7.9 on VortexBox Midi, Xubuntu 14.04,
erland wrote:
I'm not that worried, we are probably talking about at least 2 years in
the future, probably longer, I'm fairly sure the market will find a
solution suitable for our needs by then.
It might not be Squeezebox hardware but as long as it offers similar
features most of us will be
fewleh wrote:
Sorry, I'm totally new to the squeezebox arena and this thread has made
me very confused. I just bought a slim devices squeezebox, and was
thinking of getting a few more.. but what is this about the servers
dying? What does it mean to an end user? Will I no longer be able to do
Internet radio where you can directly enter URL (which is true for 99%
of my use case) will work after mysb.com goes away.
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So, when the time comes I need to move on and only a closed system is
available and it does everything I need to do well, I'll be OK with
that.
I'm interested to see what develops over the next year.
My only problem with Sonos is that they don't have *' Triode'
TheLastMan wrote:
My only problem with Sonos is that they don't have *' Triode'
(http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?53229-Announce-BBCiPlayer-Plugin-(UK-only))*
on their development team!
His BBC iPlayer and Spotify plug-ins are the two most used plug-ins on
my Squeezeboxes. In
SBGK wrote:
keep an eye on the squeezelite thread, seems to be evolving rapidly.
Thanks for the heads up. Had not spotted that thread before. The guy
is obviously a genius!
I was aware that I could install a software player on a mini-PC, and
that one comes bundled with Vortexbox anyway. I am
TheLastMan wrote:
I was aware that I could install a software player on a mini-PC, and
that one comes bundled with Vortexbox anyway. I am not looking for the
eptiome of small and cheap. I am quite happy to install Vortexbox on
something like a Zotac atom based mini-PC if necessary,
Thanks for the detailed feedback Erland, interesting to see what
motivates you guys. I will keep an eye on Squeezlite. Most of the
issues appear to be around making it work on low power devices. If it
works easily with something like a Zotac Zbox then I will probably go
that route in the
TheLastMan wrote:
The big challenge will be keeping LMS working once Logitech turns off
the MySB servers. Any chance of that? Or would it be curtains for the
Squeezebox?
I'm not that worried, we are probably talking about at least 2 years in
the future, probably longer, I'm fairly sure
For me the most unique feature of the SB system is that it can
synchronise between rooms or play different music in different rooms.
Which other system can do that except the Sonos which is much more
expensive than the SB?
jsmithlon wrote:
For me the most unique feature of the SB system is that it can
synchronise between rooms or play different music in different rooms.
Which other system can do that except the Sonos which is much more
expensive than the SB?
I am exactly the same
jsmithlon wrote:
Which other system can do that except the Sonos which is much more
expensive than the SB?
I think Meridian Sooloos can do that. And it's much much more expensive
than Sonos!
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jsmithlon wrote:
Which other system can do that except the Sonos which is much more
expensive than the SB?
To answer your question, there is no other product out there at the
moment.
Regarding the expense of Sonos, it's not as bad as it used to be. The
players are expensive and then you
maggior wrote:
Regarding the expense of Sonos, it's not as bad as it used to be. The
players are expensive and then you had to add the cost of the
controller. With iOS and andriod devices being quite prevelant, you
don't need that any more, so the cost of the controller isn't a factor
erland wrote:
Agreed, price isn't an issue, honestly it has never been, if I compare
what I've payed from my music collection and other audio equipment,
Sonos devices for a few rooms always have and still is nothing in
comparison.
[...]but I've decided to wait and see what the market
NFLnut wrote:
QFT
The only iDevices that I own are the 1st gen click wheel and the 1st gen
iPod Touch. And I have rarely used them. iTunes however, is THE single
worst piece of software I have ever used! I have zero interest in
proprietary, crippled hardware that I cannot customize and
AndreE wrote:
The funny thing is that we are more in the minority.
The minority is sometimes right; the majority always wrong. - George
Bernard Shaw
:)
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I love Squeezebox and it's products I love the apple products.
Proprietary and open next to each other.
Apple, because it just works
SB because it fills my total home with music
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Julf wrote:
I am glad that solution works for you, but the reason most of us are
still part of this forum and community instead of hanging out in the
Apple fanboy groups is that we either prefer the superior functionality
the SB system gives us, or that we resent the gilded iCage apple
I currently use a customized version of Softsqueeze; which integrates
perfectly in my SageTV Media Center software. So, I basically have
universal radio, digital cable TV DVR, bluray which are all integrated
into one Server-client system. So, instead of having 4-5 different
set-top-boxes
garym wrote:
As long as mysb.com stays alive
Can't you run things in your house without mysb.com? Even though I have
2 touches and a transporter I really don't know what role mysb.com
plays. I am running LMS on my Synology NAS and just use the various SBs
with a remote.
dminches wrote:
Can't you run things in your house without mysb.com? Even though I have
2 touches and a transporter I really don't know what role mysb.com
plays. I am running LMS on my Synology NAS and just use the various SBs
with a remote.
of course. I can play my own music files and
Mnyb wrote:
I'm more for a centralised server and distributed players solution
A sort of 'slim' devices approach? ;-)
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I'm more for a centralised server and distributed players solution
+1
garym wrote:
A sort of 'slim' devices approach? ;-)
Indeed :)
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A sort of 'slim' devices approach? ;-)
Yea I've heard of those... ;)
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XBMC has squeezebox plugins. The controller/artwork display is OK, but
the player is just a squeezeslave. The showstopper for me was that it
grabs the audio output and doesn't integrate nicely with the psychedelic
visualiser. If that worked I'd probably be using it instead
I've been playing with this for a bit - Antipodes Audio high end vortex
box-based server. This has 2tb onboard and can rip to FLAC using its
built in blu-ray drive. It sounds excellent and although not
inexpensive, I'm considering it as a Touch replacement. It'll also get
me away from the usual
Maybe maybe this one can fill the gap...
Of course time will tell whether the device can live up to the promising
specs known so far... looks like they are aiming for a linux based
device and active support from a community. So far I have known Olive as
more of an aristocratic company with
bigbossman wrote:
I've been playing with this for a bit - Antipodes Audio high end vortex
box-based server. This has 2tb onboard and can rip to FLAC using its
built in blu-ray drive. It sounds excellent and although not
inexpensive, I'm considering it as a Touch replacement. It'll also get
bigbossman wrote:
I've been playing with this for a bit - Antipodes Audio high end vortex
box-based server. This has 2tb onboard and can rip to FLAC using its
built in blu-ray drive. It sounds excellent and although not
inexpensive, I'm considering it as a Touch replacement. It'll also get
I've never bought any music from Apple. I prefer lossless and rip any
music I have. You don't have to buy any content from them to use their
hardware.
The only restriction I find is the types if music and movie files that
can be played but that's not a serious limitation.
Jokke wrote:
My next system could be the YAMAHA CD-N500.
Yamaha makes some nice gear, I'm a big fan of their AVR's and own two
myself. That said, I'd pass on this unit
- pricey, $1200 (MSRP) cd player with networking
- no WiFi, need a separate Yamaha WiFi adapter
- no Sync, even
My next system could be the YAMAHA CD-N500.
YAMAHA promised to support streaming services like spotify on it early
next year.
And, this unit would fit perfectly with my YAMAHA AS-700 amp.
Only, i'm quite satisfied with the Logitech Touch at this moment, except
for the spotify application which
pippin wrote:
Um, why is that?
Apple were actually the driving force behind removing DRM from
downloaded music so if anybody helped you to actually own downloaded
Music, it's them. They forced it on the record companies.
Slightly revisionist as apple didn't fight drm to begin with in fact
flipside wrote:
Slightly revisionist as apple didn't fight drm to begin with in fact
they actively embraced it as a way to garner favour with the record
companies and gain a monopoly in the audio market, they did start
championing it however when other companies started to deliver viable
pippin wrote:
No, I think you got that one wrong.
And who would those competitors delivering DRM free options be? Amazon
et al only cam along much later. They _announced_ their services pretty
early, claiming to do away with DRM but of the big libraries actually
being _available_ iTunes was
Yes, but that's what I mean. No matter what your musical tastes are,
alternative stuff is not a comprehensive catalog.
I was talking about something like covering 50% of the most listened-to
stuff or so, something iTunes provides.
Would this be any good? Denon DNP-720AE?
http://www.denon.co.uk/uk/product/Pages/Product-Detail.aspx?Catid=AirPlayproductsSubId=NetworkAudioPlayerProductId=DNP720AE
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http://www.denon.co.uk/Assets/Images/Products/DNP-720AE/EL_DNP720AESP_E2_fr.jpg]
What would be my choice if all my Squeezebox would fail some day, likely
when MySqueezebox.com dies or when SqueezeCenter software will not run
on my server any longer?
I am thinking of putting a decent USB DAC straight into my NAS port
(hopefully supported by software)
For instance the
When my SB3 dies, I´ll use XBMC-HTPC to replay music. I´m already using
it as multi-channel -music player. Android-phone works just fine as
remote and music-browser, so no need for TV on when playing music.
BoxFreak's
eschurr wrote:
my main concern is: who will support LMS? lately my LMS scans aren't
picking up iTunes playlists, and it may be because of iTunes 11. Who's
going to keep LMS alive and well?
My crystal ball tells me that the following will happen (sometime in the
not too distant future):
Mnyb wrote:
It may not be completely trivial to make it run on any linux box in the
dockstar case it migth actually be the cpu that is the problem ? don't
know if mip server runs on anything but x86 .
Ah yes, good point. It was a while ago that I looked into this, and that
was actually
I keep meaning to write to Rogue Amoeba and suggest that they consider
developing their 'Airfoil' (http://www.rogueamoeba.com/airfoil/) product
into a music player system that could serve as a Squeezebox replacement
- they've got the streaming-audio-over-the-network bit, how hard would
it be to
Airfoil is just a hacked version of AirPlay. Can't make a system out
of that.
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I am hoping that by running LMS on a dedicated Linux box that I don't
need to update in any way, I can keep LMS running for a long time.
My music streaming pre-amp (a Musical Fidelity M1CLic) supports UPnP.
However, having spent some time adding extra tags to my music (mainly
Work, Movement and
erland wrote:
My crystal ball tells me that the following will happen (sometime in the
not too distant future):
1. Some critical problem occurs that makes LMS more or less useless for
a lot of users
2. One of the following will happen:
- Logitech steps up and shows that they really meant
Steven Moore wrote:
Moved to Apple TV a while back and don't regret it.
I am glad that solution works for you, but the reason most of us are
still part of this forum and community instead of hanging out in the
Apple fanboy groups is that we either prefer the superior functionality
the SB
Julf wrote:
...we either prefer the superior functionality the SB system gives us,
or that we resent the gilded iCage apple forces you into, or both.
Both :-)
To give you an example there is no way on this earth I am going to give
Apple my credit card number just for the privilege of browsing
PasTim wrote:
Both :-)
from which I might subsequently borrow music, for a fee, but never own
it.
Um, why is that?
Apple were actually the driving force behind removing DRM from
downloaded music so if anybody helped you to actually own downloaded
Music, it's them. They enforced it on the
pippin wrote:
Um, why is that?
Apple were actually the driving force behind removing DRM from
downloaded music so if anybody helped you to actually own downloaded
Music, it's them. They forced it on the record companies.
There are those, the RIAA for instance, who appear to claim we never
Julf wrote:
I think the community alternative is just as likely - either as a
fork/development of the current code base, or as a complete rewrite. The
actual code is not really the problem (especially if using a real
programming language :) ), the hard part is figuring out the protocol,
and
Mnyb wrote:
As avsked can we use individual keys ?
No, their licensing explicitly says Don't register for multiple API
keys in an attempt to cirumvent rate limits.
Of course, if the plugin will be open source, you can always edit the
code and change the API key to your own which isn't shared
I'm not an so early adopter to the squeeze world and MIP was being
abandon even then .
So I understands if MIP have problem to gain new users , it a bit of a
threshold to get in on it .
However if some one writes a smart mix app that's just installs via the
plugins menu and just works , I think
For me there is currently no alternative.
I have been researching this a bit. Sure, there is Sonos. But Sonos
doesn't have a server that runs on Linux, and it doesn't support
anything above redbook. So all my 96/24 needledrops would have to be
down sampled. Ugh. Not only is that a lot of
I have nothing ( not much ) against meridians hifi ,but the sooloos
streaming is just to expensive my squeeze stuff does the same and sound
the same ( into my meridian hifi ) for a fraction of the cost.
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Mnyb wrote:
sooloos streaming is just too expensive, my squeeze stuff does the
same and sounds the samefor a fraction of the cost
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It looks like Cambridge Audio has a couple of solutions that might work
nicely:
http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=952
http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/summary.php?PID=604
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The Cambridge player appears to read NTFS or FAT32 files so it would not
work with a Linux system unless you had an NTFS partition with your
music files rather than the default EXT4
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SlimChances wrote:
The Cambridge player appears to read NTFS or FAT32 files so it would not
work with a Linux system unless you had an NTFS partition with your
music files rather than the default EXT4...in fact I am not sure if it
will work with Linux at all looking at the Support page
Moved to Apple TV a while back and don't regret it.
The sb2 is in the drawer now waiting for the call from a tech museum or
given other posts perhaps ebay.
Atv for me works great with very little problems and the sound is
great.
It's a pity that sb's software for me anyway got very unreliable and
nelamvr6 wrote:
I don't think that's right. Both of those devices support UPnP, and
they say right on the front page they work with NASs. If I set up XBMC
on my Linux box, why wouldn't it work?
Where did you read about those restrictions?
Support page
The Cambridge Audio Stream Magic 6 can be got at Big River for $999,
eligible for Prime Delivery:
http://www.amazon.com/Cambridge-Audio-Stream-Upsampling-Nework/dp/B00804T7LQ/ref=sr_1_18?s=electronicsie=UTF8qid=1355688731sr=1-18keywords=cambridge+audio
That puts it squarely in competition with
SlimChances wrote:
Support page
http://www.cambridgeaudio.com/support_products.php?PID=604Title=Support
There does not seem to be any supporting documentation for Linux but
perhaps you are right
Looking in the NAS guide it appears directed to Windows users but I am
not familiar with NAS
My mistakeI run XBMC on my Win 7 machine for an HTPC ,but you are
right XBMC will work on Linux system also
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My mistakeI run XBMC on my Win 7 machine for an HTPC ,but you are
right XBMC will work on Linux system also
Isn't it a relief to know that we have options? :D
Logitech/UE may yet come out with a product that makes these discussions
moot, but I'm still pissed off that
my main concern is: who will support LMS? lately my LMS scans aren't
picking up iTunes playlists, and it may be because of iTunes 11. Who's
going to keep LMS alive and well?
i'm heartbroken over the news about Logitech not supporting the SB
anymore (i can't find anything official about that
mherger wrote:
- The free TEN API access is limited: they only allow a certain number
of queries per minute (20, upgradeable to 120). FWICT these are shared
among all installations using the same API key, and they explicitly
forbid using multiple API keys to work around this issue. OTOH
You can use MusicIP on Linux, I do that.
Have a look at wiki.slimdevices.com
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menno wrote:
The TEN API sounds promising. Is there anything stopping each user using
their own API key?
The reason I dont use MusicIP is because it needs to run on Windows and
my system runs on Linux (DockStar)
Cheers,
Menno
The mip server runs fine on Linux (Clear OS in my case )
The mip server runs fine on Linux (Clear OS in my case ) however the
desktop app to analyse the files needs windows .
Ahm... nope. I'm running both on my Linux box, even run the UI using X
Window from my Mac. But it's fiddly.
If there is anything to test I could volunteer as crash test
The TEN API sounds promising. Is there anything stopping each user using
their own API key?
Don't register for multiple API keys in an attempt to cirumvent rate
limits.
http://developer.echonest.com/docs/v4
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Mnyb wrote:
The mip server runs fine on Linux (Clear OS in my case ) however the
desktop app to analyse the files needs windows
I'm running both on my Linux box, though technically the UI presentation
layer would run on my Mac through X Window.
As for the TEN API: I just got news that some
Hi guys
Might be slightly going off topic :) But there is a Linux GUI and there
is also GenPUID which can be scripted, so you dont need to have
Windows.
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cparker wrote:
Might be slightly going off topic :) But there is a Linux GUI and there
is also GenPUID which can be scripted, so you dont need to have
Windows.
My problem is the last version of genpuid 1.4 can only update the
Windows version of the database (1.9) so it's only good for
I have been running MIP on Ubuntu using WINE emulator with success.
Allows for fingerprinting/archiving
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menno wrote:
The reason I dont use MusicIP is because it needs to run on Windows and
my system runs on Linux (DockStar)
To echo the point of others, many of us run MusicIP just fine on many
flavors of *nix. You don't even need to run it on a Windows emulator
like WINE (mine runs fine on
mherger wrote:
I'm running both on my Linux box, though technically the UI presentation
layer would run on my Mac through X Window.
As for the TEN API: I just got news that some of the limitations I was
afraid of were removed. There's still a rate limit accessing their API
which means
See also 'The Echo Nest' (http://the.echonest.com/).
Ok, so I did investigate their API a bit (it's extensive!). I do mostly
compare with MusicIP (which I've been running for years), as I'd like to
have a replacement for smart mixing my own collection. Tests were run on
both my dev
As you can imagine I have not come to these conclusions without some
coding. Now let's hope I'll find some more time over the Holidays to
tinker around with this...
While I was typing those lines my Transporter was playing tunes based on
some Peter Gabriel track I can't remember, mixing in
See also 'The Echo Nest' (http://the.echonest.com/).
Ok, so I did investigate their API a bit (it's extensive!). I do mostly
compare with MusicIP (which I've been running for years), as I'd like to
have a replacement for smart mixing my own collection. Tests were run on
both my dev machine
I only discovered that SBs are discontinued via an email from Ripcaster
suggesting that I trade-up (?) my Transporter to something in the Linn
DS range! But I still shiver in horror every time I see the term
UPnP: every UPnP device I've tried to use has been awful. There's
always some function
garym wrote:
Yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project
Pandora uses this technology to build their playlists
See also 'The Echo Nest' (http://the.echonest.com/).
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Such a shame that these products get removed.
How much longer will the software be updated for? I was going to buy a
Android tablet to remote control my Touch. But now I am concernd that
they won't work together in the future due to possibly firmware
incompatible reasons. Should I be?
Mnyb wrote:
Sorry for being late if you don't want to install certain tweaks of
questionable value .
You can turn off wifi if your familiar with SSH and have turned on
remote access in the Touch .
Some familiarity with the vi editor , but just google how to use it and
keep commands handy
PasTim wrote:
JohnB's approach is a lot easier to manage (it's just that my brain
can't handle Album = Work when it doesn't!).
Sorry for this very late comment but I thought it worth mentioning that
when I want to play a ripped CD as a 'CD' I use browse the music
folders. When I want to
JohnB wrote:
Sorry for this very late comment but I thought it worth mentioning that
when I want to play a ripped CD as a 'CD' I use browse the music
folders. When I want to play a specific work I can search for it very
simply, as I posted.
Of course, everyone has their own methods. The
JohnB wrote:
Sorry for this very late comment but I thought it worth mentioning that
when I want to play a ripped CD as a 'CD' I use browse the music
folders. When I want to play a specific work I can search for it very
simply, as I posted.
Of course, everyone has their own methods. The
Mnyb wrote:
An effort to break this meta data paradigms would greatly enhance music
listening and exploring , especially if the clues left in one piece of
music could lead to another in a natural way ??
As some of us in IT have said The beauty of Standards is that there are
so many of them
PasTim wrote:
Where it would get really clever would be in analysing the music itself
and then suggesting relationships to other music. Has anyone ever
attempted anything like this?
Yes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_Genome_Project
Pandora uses this technology to build their
What I'd like to have is a simple 'Play All Songs/Music' in a given
Genre, Artist category.
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What I'd like to have is a simple 'Play All Songs/Music' in a given
Genre or Artist category.
you can do this now. in LMS go to artist or genre, then click on all
songs. And you can have random turned on or off.
Also, I do all this with erland's dynamic playlists and sql
.and we have music ip and stuff or apple genius but it still fall short
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you can do this now. in LMS go to artist or genre, then click on all
songs. And you can have random turned on or off.
Also, I do all this with erland's dynamic playlists and sql playlist
(for more control and so that I don't accidentally add 50,000 songs to a
single
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