Richie Wrote:
I think you underestimate peoples ability. Slimserver doesn't require
any more skill than any other piece of software I've installed. In
fact it's easier to use in my opinion. My first SB1 was up and running
within ten minutes of taking it out of the box. No fiddling or
But that's my point, we aren't average consumers, we're technically
able - we're on a forum for the product after all.
I think PCs aren't for the average user - though everybody uses them. A PC
based product therefore can hardly be.
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Michael
CardinalFang Wrote:
It's still not what the consumer expects for a mass market consumer
electronics product. Ever have to wait for bug fixes for your TV? Or
for the rest of your HiFi?
Whilst I understand the point you are making here, I think it misses
the OP's point which appeared to be that
CardinalFang,
Most mobile phones are eventually ship accepted by an operator which
will allow concessions on a number of bugs to go through as long as
they don't affect the customer in too major a way. In fact, this same
bug list might be considered unacceptable to another operator. Typical
Gatchers Wrote:
So I guess what I'm saying is that as a piece of consumer electronics
kit, if it isn't quite 'there', it's definitely very very near it.
I think we're all saying the same thing, these products are for people
who don't mind installing software and ripping CDs.
I think we've
Fifer Wrote:
I think most of us would have expected the SB to score better in that
particular group of products.
Agreed, I wandered off onto my very own soapbox for a while there...
As I said in another post, I think a lot of it is down to looks and the
SB3 fixes that. Also journalists are
CardinalFang Wrote:
why did SB come off worse against similar products with similar
installations and feature sets?
The review concluded: The Roku SoundBridge can play protected files,
connect to almost any server, has a similarly flashy design and costs
£25 less.
a product comparison chart
On 4/11/05 at 01:03 -0800, CardinalFang wrote
Gatchers Wrote:
So I guess what I'm saying is that as a piece of consumer electronics
kit, if it isn't quite 'there', it's definitely very very near it.
I think we're all saying the same thing, these products are for people
who don't mind
mkozlows Wrote:
At any rate, I don't think the SB2 is way out of the norm for modern
tech-gear, in terms of ease-of-use. I wouldn't give one to my mom, but
anyone who can set up a wireless network in the first place can
definitely get an SB2 working no problem.
A quick perusal of the
MKS Wrote:
A quick perusal of the Beginners' Forum shows that quite a few people
are having trouble getting Squeezebox to work out of the box and to
connect to the wireless network. Mike
Thats a meaningless statement !! quite a few when compared to the
number of total sales equals tiny !
easy (or not) it is to setup.
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MKS Wrote
gingerneil Wrote:
Thats a meaningless statement !! quite a few when compared to the
number of total sales equals a tiny proportion ! Because you have to
come to the web site to get the software, I would suggest that the
website would be where most people start to look for help. Therefore,
(Taking your analogy to extremes, and for this I apologise, but just to
illustrate a point...) If you compare the number of people smoking to
the number of people who smoke with cancer / heart disease then it
would only be a TINY proportion. But the links are regarded as real, as
they should
Fifer Wrote:
If your analogy was valid I'd agree, but it isn't. It's estimated that
around 50% of life-long smokers will die of a smoking related illness.
That's not a tiny proportion.
Bah! I'll give up then ;-)
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Don't throw away the valid point for the imperfect analogy.
Regardless of how many/what proportion, beginners are having problems
and it needs to be taken seriously. I don't know if it's 1 in 100 or 1
in 10 or 1 in 1000, but there is one thing you can count on. I learned
this as a dance teacher.
I absolutely agree that as much help as possible should be provided, but
that wasn't the point being debated, it was whether the number of help
requests on the beginner's forum indicated a significant problem in the
general population of users. This is a perennial poser on most technical
forums.
Fifer Wrote:
Statistically, there's very little relationship between the
self-selecting sample who come here for help and the total population
of owners.
Oh I don't know about that, I think a much bigger percentage of owners
than you might think are on these fora. It's that kind of product.
Michaelwagner Wrote:
Don't throw away the valid point for the imperfect analogy.
Regardless of how many/what proportion, beginners are having problems
and it needs to be taken seriously. I don't know if it's 1 in 100 or 1
in 10 or 1 in 1000, but there is one thing you can count on. I
I just stumbled across this while in WHSmiths on my lunch break. The
article in question is now available online -
_'here's_the_introduction'
(http://www.pcpro.co.uk/shopper/labs/214/wireless-media-players/introduction.html)_,
or just skip to the _'main_part_of_the_review'
Sounds like SlimDevices really need DRM support to make the press happy.
They could also do with a much nicer looking device ... no wait, they
just did that. ;-) It seems that the other feature that gets you
marked down majorly is lack of upnp media server support. I personally
don't care
This is no criticism of slim devices, after all I bought the product and
intend to buy more, but...
I think we need to get a bit real here - the is not yet a mass-market
device, the server software is not plug and play like the type of
consumer products the mainstream are used to.
The SB3 is a
The SB3 is a great looking device, good remote and effective display
and menus, but getting the server to workI like to tweak just like
most of us on this forum but how many average consumer product buyers
hang around geeky music fora and would be happy to do the kind of
fiddling with
They never do long term tests either, if they did they would get
different results:
1) The Netgear MP101 struggles to connect to a wireless network from
any substantial distance and when this happens it crashes.
2) The Terratec Noxon (not reviewed) beats the Netgear
3) The Netgear is discontinued
On 3/11/05 at 08:18 -0800, oktup wrote
I just stumbled across this while in WHSmiths on my lunch break. The
article in question is now available online -
_'here's_the_introduction'
(http://www.pcpro.co.uk/shopper/labs/214/wireless-media-players/introduction.html)_,
or just skip to the
Richie Wrote:
Nothing's so simple these days that it requires no
individual settings. I just download the nightlies at the weekend,
install and it works. I think the average consumer would have no
problem at all. Ok, I've had to wait for a few bugs to be fixed but
even the piece of software
It's still not what the consumer expects for a mass market consumer
electronics product. Ever have to wait for bug fixes for your TV? Or
for the rest of your HiFi?
No. But I have purchased products that don't properly and they have
gone back. One was a Sony TV. My SB has never not worked. It's
CardinalFang Wrote:
It's still not what the consumer expects for a mass market consumer
electronics product. Ever have to wait for bug fixes for your TV? Or
for the rest of your HiFi?
Don't get me wrong, I love my SB, but it's a far cry from the
out-of-the box experience I had with my
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