Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-12-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 2 Dec 2016, at 15:15, Edwin Ancaer wrote: > > I humbly apologize. > > Would it be better if I rephrase as: > > And imagine that for a popular Linux distribution there is a packaged > > version for GNUstep (base, make, gui & back) made with mulle-objc compiler > > and > > mulle obj-c runti

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-12-02 Thread Edwin Ancaer
I humbly apologize. Would it be better if I rephrase as: > And imagine that for a popular Linux distribution there is a packaged > version for GNUstep (base, make, gui & back) made with *mulle-objc compiler and> mulle obj-c runtime *> And then again, imagine I packaged my application for this di

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-12-02 Thread Liam Proven
On 2 December 2016 at 15:04, Edwin Ancaer wrote: > I don't have experience with this kind of varied environments, so this might > be a stupid question... > > let's imagine I created this wonderful application with GNUstep. > And imagine that for a popular Linux distribution there is a packaged > v

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-12-02 Thread Edwin Ancaer
I don't have experience with this kind of varied environments, so this might be a stupid question... let's imagine I created this wonderful application with GNUstep. And imagine that for a popular Linux distribution there is a packaged version for GNUstep (base, make, gui & back) made with compile

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-12-02 Thread David Chisnall
On 1 Dec 2016, at 21:16, Luboš Doležel wrote: > > Dne 1.12.2016 v 17:30 David Chisnall napsal(a): >> On 1 Dec 2016, at 16:26, Matt Butch wrote: >>> I’m hoping to be able to use Objective-C on servers, so Mulle-Objc might be >>> a good option for that. If it can get a good community behind it, e

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-12-01 Thread Luboš Doležel
Dne 1.12.2016 v 17:30 David Chisnall napsal(a): On 1 Dec 2016, at 16:26, Matt Butch wrote: I’m hoping to be able to use Objective-C on servers, so Mulle-Objc might be a good option for that. If it can get a good community behind it, even better. I’m not sure why Mulle-Objc brings there. I kn

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-12-01 Thread Steven R. Baker
On 01/12/16 17:33, David Chisnall wrote: > On 1 Dec 2016, at 16:12, Steven R. Baker wrote: >> It might not be true today. But at some point, Apple will see fit to not >> give back a feature. A feature that people will depend on. > Which part of ‘Apple is not even the largest single contributor’

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-12-01 Thread Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf
> Am 01.12.2016 um 11:39 schrieb Riccardo Mottola : > > Hi Stepper, > > Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote: >> you might be interested in this: mulle-objc is a new way to run Objective-C >> code on various platforms, based on a new compiler and a new runtime. >> >> https://mulle-objc.github.io >>

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-12-01 Thread David Chisnall
On 1 Dec 2016, at 16:12, Steven R. Baker wrote: > > It might not be true today. But at some point, Apple will see fit to not > give back a feature. A feature that people will depend on. Which part of ‘Apple is not even the largest single contributor’ did you not understand? If Apple stopped co

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-12-01 Thread David Chisnall
On 1 Dec 2016, at 16:26, Matt Butch wrote: > > I’m hoping to be able to use Objective-C on servers, so Mulle-Objc might be a > good option for that. If it can get a good community behind it, even better. I’m not sure why Mulle-Objc brings there. I know of three different Foundation implement

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-12-01 Thread Matt Butch
I’ve checked it out, and I think I’ll be helping out. I’m a huge fan of Objective-C, and with Swift being the new hotness (despite my belief its a pretty bad language), its great to see another option for it. I’m hoping to be able to use Objective-C on servers, so Mulle-Objc might be a good opt

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-12-01 Thread Steven R. Baker
On 01/12/16 12:06, David Chisnall wrote: > On 1 Dec 2016, at 07:43, Steven R. Baker wrote: >> I would like to add an additional concern. I know that LLVM and clang are >> the new hotness, but they're de facto owned by Apple now. It won't be long >> before there are new and hot features that ar

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-12-01 Thread David Chisnall
On 1 Dec 2016, at 07:43, Steven R. Baker wrote: > > I would like to add an additional concern. I know that LLVM and clang are the > new hotness, but they're de facto owned by Apple now. It won't be long before > there are new and hot features that are in Apple's own version of LLVM, and > it'l

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-12-01 Thread Riccardo Mottola
Hi Stepper, Lars Sonchocky-Helldorf wrote: you might be interested in this: mulle-objc is a new way to run Objective-C code on various platforms, based on a new compiler and a new runtime. https://mulle-objc.github.io some more background information is available here: https://news.ycombinat

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-11-30 Thread Steven R. Baker
[snip] > All of this just to say I fear that having a new runtime might not be > what is needed to save GNUstep > from oblivion. Now I will just start thinking about what I will do to > save it. I agree with everything you've said here. I share your concerns. I would like to add an additional co

Re: mulle-objc #MakeObjCGreatAgain

2016-11-30 Thread Edwin Ancaer
First things first: I never contributed to GNUstep, and I probably never will: for 30 years I've been developping and analyzing IBM-mainframe applications with exotic tools like Cobol, IMS, DB2, Rexx, JCL, so I do feel slightly uncomfortable in the PC-environment, as the prverbial Englishman in Ne