[tdf-discuss] Question...from Go-OOo or OOo

2010-10-18 Thread BRM
With all the fork discussion going on, I figured I'd just as well as this one too. Since the announcement, I've heard a number of people (via comments on Slashdot and OSNews at the very least) suggest that LibreOffice is a fork of Go-OOo instead of OOo (realizing that Go-OOo is derived from

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-19 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Le Tue, 19 Oct 2010 16:05:50 +0200, Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com a écrit : In data 19 ottobre 2010 alle ore 14:34:33, Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org ha

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Gianluca Turconi m...@letturefantastiche.com Il 20/10/2010 5.46, M. Fioretti ha scritto: The real question was why didn't the TDF founders who have/had official roles in OOo publicly resign from those roles on Sept 28th, one second BEFORE announcing the

Re: [tdf-discuss] Basic question about Oracle asking OOo community members to leave

2010-10-20 Thread BRM
. From: Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 4:14 PM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: Oracle just spent several billion dollars buying Sun - at least part of which would have been for OOo and all its assets. Is it buying the software, or the community

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010 16.36, Mike Dupont ha scritto: 1. what will it cost if you have to rewrite the authors code and all derived works. 2. what if you just remove

Re: [tdf-discuss] [SC] How to define Membership within TDF?

2010-10-20 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 20:30 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Le Wed, 20 Oct 2010 13:16:37 -0400, Drew Jensen d...@baseanswers.com a écrit : On Wed, 2010-10-20 at 16:57 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote: Il 20/10/2010

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation

2010-10-28 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org Le Thu, 28 Oct 2010 07:12:59 -0700 (PDT), BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com a écrit : From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org 4) the notion that we cannot change license because we

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation

2010-10-28 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thu, October 28, 2010 5:37:19 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation BRM wrote: The Linux Kernel guys don't require it; KDE E.v

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation

2010-10-29 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 2:22:03 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation Hi all, BRM wrote (29-10-10 00:41) From: Thorsten Behrenst

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation

2010-10-29 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com On Fri, Oct 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Cor Nouws oo...@nouenoff.nl To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, October 29, 2010 2:22:03 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright

Re: [tdf-discuss] Copyright Assignments the Document Foundation

2010-11-01 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com On 2010-10-31 6:56 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote: Now, without copyright assignment/agreement (granted by the LibreOffice developers to the Document Foundation), the Document Foundation will be in the awkward

Re: [tdf-discuss] FreeDesktop Bugzilla

2010-11-12 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Michael Meeks michael.me...@novell.com On Fri, 2010-11-12 at 15:36 +0100, Friedrich Strohmaier wrote: LibreOffice already has the selectable help/about version text so it can be cut/pasted. Yeeey!! :-) Hardly. Now you've got two things that

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: On the Future of TDF

2010-11-16 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Marc Paré m...@marcpare.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Tue, November 16, 2010 4:12:50 AM Subject: [tdf-discuss] Re: On the Future of TDF Le 2010-11-16 03:29, timofonic timofonic a écrit : That's interesting to know about OASIS, thanks for

Re: [tdf-discuss] On the Future of TDF

2010-11-16 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: AG computing.acco...@googlemail.com On 14/11/10 11:25, Mirek M. wrote: In addition, each single module of LibreOffice will be undergoing an extensive rewrite, with Calc being the first one to be redeveloped around a brand new engine - code named Ixion

Re: [tdf-discuss] FreeDesktop Bugzilla

2010-11-16 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Sebastian Spaeth sebast...@sspaeth.de snip http://docs.officeshots.org/ may be a potential starting point - especially when it comes to document conversion / rendering fidelity. I don't know if and how easy this would be in drupal. So far I have

Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components

2010-11-29 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Robert Boehm boehm.robe...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 1:14:38 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Survey: Usage of LibreOffice components On 11/28/2010 12:09 PM, Sebastian G. bastik wrote: I'd like to know which

[tdf-discuss] LO Feature...

2010-11-29 Thread BRM
I never joined the OOo mailing lists so it never got proposed there, and if there's a better TDF mailing list to post this to then please let me know so I may do so. I did, however, try to submit something to the ODF folks; but that never got any where. I've worked on proposals and similar

Re: [tdf-discuss] LO Feature...

2010-11-29 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Andy Brown a...@the-martin-byrd.net snip Have you tried working with master documents? The User Guide is available on the OOo wiki at http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Writer_Guide on the right hand side is a

Re: [tdf-discuss] A better idea for a download package.

2010-11-30 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com On 2010-11-30 2:16 PM, Kevin Vermeer wrote: Perhaps the installer could be replaced by a small configuration application, which would allow the user to select the components they wish to install, and would then

Re: [tdf-discuss] A better idea for a download package.

2010-12-01 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Charles Marcus cmar...@media-brokers.com On 2010-11-30 5:29 PM, BRM wrote: LibO - like OOo - does not really have separate components. Even if you could download just one component, the resulting size would only be a few MBs smaller than it is now

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.

2010-12-02 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Robert Derman robert.der...@pressenter.com I remember that optical disks started to replace floppies in about 1995 because Win-95 came either way. Win-98 was CD only. I will admit that DVD burners didn't become affordable until about 2005, but most of

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package.

2010-12-03 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Mark Preston m...@mpreston.demon.co.uk To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, December 3, 2010 12:18:16 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: A better idea for a download package. I see several issues in the discussion about installers - and I only

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Carl Symons carlsym...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thu, December 30, 2010 3:47:30 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Gordon Burgess-Parker gbpli...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com Even MS Office users (prior to 2007) have had trouble with this docx fraud. Perhaps LibO and all other Open Source projects - and perhaps anyone supporting ODF for that matter - should treat OOXML like Microsoft

Re: [tdf-discuss] Do not support writing to OOXML format

2010-12-30 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Barbara Duprey b...@onr.com snip We need to force MS to support ODF - as others have pointed out ODF is quickly becoming the world standard at least at the government level - which means in a few years most organizations that support governments will

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Do not support writing to OOXML format

2011-01-03 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Barbara Duprey b...@onr.com On 1/3/2011 11:19 AM, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: Barbara, Le Mon, 03 Jan 2011 10:55:21 -0600, Barbara Dupreyb...@onr.com a écrit : On 1/3/2011 3:06 AM, Davide Dozza wrote: Il 02/01/2011 20:41, Charles-H. Schulz ha

Re: [tdf-discuss] Co-working with Moz, etc

2011-01-05 Thread BRM
doing this. On 1/5/11 6:13 PM, BRM wrote: I was about to suggest something along a similar line, and that fits perfectly well within it... Instead of bundling an email client with LibreOffice, I suggest as part of the installer the option be provided to download and install one

Re: [tdf-discuss] What features are missing when a JRE is missing in Windows ?

2011-01-31 Thread BRM
Haven't tried it, but at least at one point StarOffice/OpenOffice required the JRE to provide the help system. Ran into that a couple of times in the past. Don't know if that is still the issue with LO now or not. Ben - Original Message From: RGB ES rgb.m...@gmail.com To:

Re: [tdf-discuss] purpose of this list?

2011-02-02 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, February 2, 2011 10:59:59 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] purpose of this list? Le Wed, 02 Feb 2011 16:47:58 +0100, Florian Effenberger

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-08 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Ian Lynch ianrly...@gmail.com On 8 February 2011 11:34, Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org wrote: Hi, thanks for your contributions, great to see things moving! :-) Well, I think opening an US bank account is problematic at least

Re: [tdf-discuss] Foundation Fundraising

2011-02-09 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: toki toki.kant...@gmail.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 02/08/2011 04:36 PM, BRM wrote: Why resort to deception and Microsoft-esque tactics to promote LO? FWIW, it isn't uncommon for 501(c)3 organizations to have a for-profit organization

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-17 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com Le 17/05/11 12:49, plino a écrit : What do they mean by handing it back? Are they giving up on the OpenOffice brand? Can someone from TDF shed some light? Nobody seems to know, or if they do, they are

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-18 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com On 5/17/11 4:17 PM, BRM wrote: Personally I hope Oracle doesn't drop the ball on it and that OpenOffice proper can become a true community lead project as I haven't yet seen anything from the leadership of TDF

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried?

2011-05-18 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org To: BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com Cc: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Wed, May 18, 2011 5:34:38 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: OpenOffice dead and burried? BRM wrote: In some cases, the community decision

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-08 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com On the other hand, ASF members should start building their opinions about TDF from other sources than the rumors spread by individuals who, for personal reasons, do not like TDF (you can find any flavour of them

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-10 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thu, June 9, 2011 5:56:38 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice On 9 Jun 2011, at 19:47, Simon Brouwer wrote: Anyway, I think it is

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-13 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Uwe Altmann o...@altsys.de Am 10.06.11 15:55, schrieb BRM: You know, usually when an organization (such as TDF) is legally owned by another organization … I know it is difficult to understand if you're not in (german) legal affairs: TDF once fonded

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-13 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:17 PM, David Nelson wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 22:18, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: I was making the observation that TDF's website materials make little mention of the fact that FroDeV

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-15 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org Greg Stein wrote on 2011-06-14 17.09: It is simply that newbie's have NO UNDERSTANDING of this. Florian had to explain all the details because they are not on the website. I guess the truth lies in

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-15 Thread BRM
structure at all. On Jun 15, 2011, at 10:54 AM, Florian Effenberger wrote: Hi, BRM wrote on 2011-06-15 15.47: should be updated to reflect the legal reality that while TDF is being setup it is an sub-entity of FroDeV; listing out who specifically owns the trademarks, etc

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-16 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: plino pedl...@gmail.com Greg Stein wrote: how can you say that Apache removes rights from people's contributions? As a developer, you still own your code. You can do whatever you like with it. Apache doesn't take anything from You. Easy. Even

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-16 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: plino pedl...@gmail.com BRM wrote: Even the GPL does not provide that right. If a company wanted it could take a GPL product, make whatever changes it wanted, and distribute it internally to itself without ever contributing back

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-16 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: todd rme toddrme2...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 3:13:15 PM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 9:05 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: Ben

Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-16 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Thu, June 16, 2011 6:31:25 PM Subject: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice) On Fri, Jun 17, 2011

Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-17 Thread BRM
DISCLAIMER: IANAL. Consult one for real legal advice if you need it. - Original Message From: plino pedl...@gmail.com BRM wrote: Directly from the FSF, authors of the GPL. You must have a copy of the written offer in order to be entitled to receipt of the source

Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-17 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: plino pedl...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Fri, June 17, 2011 10:12:01 AM Subject: Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice) @BRM sorry to burst your fantasy

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-17 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Keith Curtis keit...@gmail.com On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 6:55 AM, Jim Jagielski j...@jagunet.com wrote: On Jun 17, 2011, at 7:44 AM, Michael Meeks wrote: The overlap between TDF ASF's goals for an office product (modulo enabling 'mixed-source')

Re: OFF TOPIC about GPL enforcement (Was: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice)

2011-06-17 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com On Fri, Jun 17, 2011 at 4:54 PM, BRM bm_witn...@yahoo.com wrote: DISCLAIMER: IANAL. Consult one for real legal advice if you need it. ... Party F may ask Group C for the code, showing the written notice he

Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: [Libreoffice] Proposal to join Apache OpenOffice

2011-06-18 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Simon Phipps si...@webmink.com On 18 Jun 2011, at 11:35, Florian Effenberger wrote: Jim Jagielski wrote on 2011-06-15 17.28: Maybe it's a language issue, but no, the imprint does nothing at all to make it clear. It simply says, in effect, FroDev wrote

Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice +US Gov't ECCN Export Control

2011-06-18 Thread BRM
- Original Message From: Robert Burrell Donkin robertburrelldon...@gmail.com To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Sat, June 18, 2011 10:19:41 AM Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] LibreOffice +US Gov't ECCN Export Control On Sat, Jun 18, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Uwe Altmann o...@altsys.de