Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-25 Thread mark schraad
I hope this is not too much of a tangent... Over the last month I have probably looked at close to a hundred resumes. This is only partially specific to the Chicago area, but there is a ton of talent out there. There are a lot of folks with excellent educational background, wonderful experience

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-25 Thread Will Evans
Yes, Mark - and at the end of the day, we are measured by our execution. That's it. Great ideas, designs, collaboration, theory - wonderful - that's the ante at this table. You can't execute - all the way through to launch (with all the compromise and constraints and politics and bullshit

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-25 Thread Anne Hjortshoj
This is where experience enters the discussion, I think. There are a few skills that can only be learned through exposure. The ability to sell a design solution -- and adjust that solution, and partner with business and development to move that solution to market -- is critical, as is the ability

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-25 Thread Susan Doran
I'm going to risk Will Evans trying to order coffee from me for being too theoretical (^_^) but a few things. As a profession, we're still defining ourselves. We started out as disparate professions and academic disciplines prior to c. 2001-2002. Then we started being drawn to and blending with

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-24 Thread Robert M. Fein
: Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment. I'd like to start this reply with a pre-emptive thank you for reading along in case it gets a bit wordy; this is a topic very near/dear to me. I too have noticed on twitter, and on the various nonMonster job boards that words like usability, user

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-23 Thread paul
I'd like to start this reply with a pre-emptive thank you for reading along in case it gets a bit wordy; this is a topic very near/dear to me. I too have noticed on twitter, and on the various nonMonster job boards that words like usability, user experience, are being mixed in more and more with

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-22 Thread zach killian
I happen to be one of these recruiters and I can assure you there is definitely an increase in UX jobs. I have been doing creative, web and advertising recruiting for almost 7 years now and I have never seen this kind of demand for UX/IA talent. I have done nothing for the last 2 months but work

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-22 Thread Dave Malouf
hmm? I think I'm just not that cynical. the lion's share of job reqs I've ever been a part of were created by the hiring department and not by the recruitment staff. When I've been a hiring manager the only reason I created laundry lists like these is b/c the budgets required it. Not to lower

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-22 Thread Susan Doran
Dave Am I understanding but b/c the reality is that unless you can make shit, your skills as a designer to communicate to all stakeholders is severely limited. this to mean you believe that everyone needs to know how to physically build now? that the roles of researcher, business/user

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-22 Thread Joe Sokohl
I have also seen a trend of offering low wages on the basis of the recession's effect. As one of my Twitter friends said, If you pay banans, you end up with monkeys. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Posted from the new ixda.org

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-22 Thread Dave Malouf
Susan, I don't think this is an all or nothing thing. I am responding to this thread and people reflexively condemning these types of job descriptions. I used to be one of these people who would stand up on the soapbox on challenge the requirement of visual even prototyping skills along side

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-22 Thread Susan Doran
Dave Great post, thanks -- really interesting perspective! And as a professor you're actively shaping the market/profession, as well as responding, as I suppose we all are :) Susan On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Dave Malouf dave@gmail.com wrote: Susan, I don't think this is an all or

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-21 Thread Erin Stewart
I noticed this as well. Originally I was planning to look for my next job in the fall, but with the amount of positions open now and with the fear that this is temporary (though I would hope that it will be a continued term), I decided to start applying now with the hope to start in May. I

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-21 Thread Susan Doran
I've noticed more positions that require 1-3 yrs experience. Also...sort of kitchen sink loading on a mish-mash of skillsets. On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 1:38 AM, Erin Stewart emstew...@smcm.edu wrote: I noticed this as well. Originally I was planning to look for my next job in the fall, but with

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-21 Thread Anne Hjortshoj
So in other words, people want to pay for 1-3 years of experience, but they want to get a laundry list of massive skillz. Good luck with that. -Anne On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:42 PM, Susan Doran susando...@gmail.com wrote: I've noticed more positions that require 1-3 yrs experience. Also...sort

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-21 Thread Anne Hjortshoj
... and I mean good luck to the recruiters listing these roles, not to Susan. -A On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:59 PM, Anne Hjortshoj a...@annehj.com wrote: So in other words, people want to pay for 1-3 years of experience, but they want to get a laundry list of massive skillz. Good luck with

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-21 Thread Vicky Teinaki
Still, it's a good sign for recent grads - up until recently there's been the experience catch-22 with jobs (most of those advertised up until now have been for at least 3 years experience), so at least it gives those recently out of school a chance to chalk up time, even if they have to do hard

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-21 Thread mark schraad
I think this discussion board has become the default and go to posting venue. On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 2:28 PM, Vicky Teinaki vicky.tein...@gmail.comwrote: Still, it's a good sign for recent grads - up until recently there's been the experience catch-22 with jobs (most of those advertised up

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-21 Thread j. eric townsend
Anne Hjortshoj wrote: So in other words, people want to pay for 1-3 years of experience, but they want to get a laundry list of massive skillz. That's what my wife has been running into lately. Job openings for someone with 2-5 years of experience but with a list of requirements she still

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-21 Thread Anne Hjortshoj
As I was saying in a side conversation with Susan, in better news: the market for independent (contract) UXDers seems to be revivifying, finally. I've had several good conversations in the last month with recruiters for positions and pay scales that are in line with my interests and my experience.

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-21 Thread Anne Hjortshoj
Maybe it's to lower the salary expectations? That's my assumption. -Anne On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 4:47 PM, j. eric townsend j...@flatline.net wrote: Dave Malouf wrote: That reality is no longer true. There are a growing # of degree programs that include programming, visual design, and

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-21 Thread Susan Doran
Dave Agreed that it's partly generational. But it's more than generational, in terms of individuals and their generations. It's generational, in terms of evolution of our profession(s). We're entering our professions' third generation. As I said offline to Anne, what we're now seeing---in

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-21 Thread Alan Salmoni
To be fair, skill laundry lists are common in lots of fields. For example in IT, there are some ads with very silly requirements especially when the final salary is taken into account. Part of this may be for recruiters to get more bang for their buck, but another part might be a lack of insight

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-21 Thread Paul Sherman
FWIW, I've noticed that recruiters know much more about UX than they did even 3 years ago. I think this is in no small part to the efforts of IxDA, UPA, and some of the private groups like Forrester who publish state of the UX industry type of reports. I led the UPA's UX salary survey from

Re: [IxDA Discuss] The state of UI/UX employment.

2010-02-21 Thread Shelby Moulden
Hello, I was wondering if anyone could offer some advice to us recent college graduates with graphic design degrees where to truly start their career as UI/UX designers. Obviously there are multiple roads to the same place but what's a good road map? Thanks, Shelby . . . . . . . . . . . . . .