Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint
Tim Sutton wrote: code sprint. Another option to consider could be to start the sprint on the day before the core conf. starts and then to provide a code sprint space (we could have used the speaker prep room this year since it was underutilised) and allow for ad hoc coding get togethers during the conference. Of course having the sprint at the start of the conf does have the negative of people being seriously jetlagged to begin with(as opposed to being seriously hung over at the end...). Hi Tim; this kind of defeats the purpose of having a code sprint - the idea is that the developer communities are going to want to hack at some point. By scheduling a code sprint at the end of the conference we can avoid a repeat of 2006 where developers hung out on the tables (ignoring the conference they had paid to attend). By having a code sprint at the end; it is my hope that the developer teams can get out there and meet people (yeah OSGeo) and have a weeks worth of good ideas and contact with other projects heading into the code sprint. Jody ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint
in the event that it's not already completely clear from my post 5 minutes ago (d'oh, before reading this thread) i completely concur with what chris has said here. I think it's pretty reasonable to think that anyone who is going to put in the $ to go out to australia is probably planning on spending at least two or three days to do a bit of travelling (i feel confident of that but maybe it's actually *not* a valid assumption?) and so having the spacing between the code sprint and the conference is in my mind a great idea. -e On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Christopher Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 04:45:49PM +0800, Tim Bowden wrote: The FOSS4G 2009 team are planning a 3 day code sprint. The conference itself will be starting with workshops on Tuesday 20 Oct and finishing on Friday 23rd Oct. The possibilities for the code sprint are for the preceding Wednesday- Friday giving a long weekend in between (giving time for touring, more coding or whatever) or Sat - Monday with no break between the code sprint and the conference. What would people prefer? I'm strongly in favor of the former. For one, like Cape Town, Sydney is too long of a flight to make it just a trip about the conference, in my opinion. We had an organized group do a two day trip down the cape after the Code Sprint in Cape Town, and I think it was a really successful bonding experience for those of us who came along, allowing some non-coding social time where we all go to hang out and know each other a little better, which I expect will help develop better communications in the coming months within the project. Also, having a break between the conference after the code sprint keeps the possibility of having a 'finished' result of something by the conference more likely as well. In general, code sprints are good at producing a lot of unpolished code: a couple days can help to get the code a bit more polished in order to present it as a new development during the conference, if people so choose. Lastly, I think that having a break before the conference gives people a bit of time to unwind: code sprints tend to be exhausting if you do them right (taking full advantage of shared physical location with long hours, for example), and going directly from that into a conference (described by one attendee as being similar to 'a 5 day long rave' due to the amount of energy it consumes) feels dangerous. :) Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint
It's not a given. Those of us with young families back home are under a certain pressure to get back to the nest. For every example, there is a counter-example. :) P. On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Erik Uzureau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: in the event that it's not already completely clear from my post 5 minutes ago (d'oh, before reading this thread) i completely concur with what chris has said here. I think it's pretty reasonable to think that anyone who is going to put in the $ to go out to australia is probably planning on spending at least two or three days to do a bit of travelling (i feel confident of that but maybe it's actually *not* a valid assumption?) and so having the spacing between the code sprint and the conference is in my mind a great idea. -e On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 2:27 PM, Christopher Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 04:45:49PM +0800, Tim Bowden wrote: The FOSS4G 2009 team are planning a 3 day code sprint. The conference itself will be starting with workshops on Tuesday 20 Oct and finishing on Friday 23rd Oct. The possibilities for the code sprint are for the preceding Wednesday- Friday giving a long weekend in between (giving time for touring, more coding or whatever) or Sat - Monday with no break between the code sprint and the conference. What would people prefer? I'm strongly in favor of the former. For one, like Cape Town, Sydney is too long of a flight to make it just a trip about the conference, in my opinion. We had an organized group do a two day trip down the cape after the Code Sprint in Cape Town, and I think it was a really successful bonding experience for those of us who came along, allowing some non-coding social time where we all go to hang out and know each other a little better, which I expect will help develop better communications in the coming months within the project. Also, having a break between the conference after the code sprint keeps the possibility of having a 'finished' result of something by the conference more likely as well. In general, code sprints are good at producing a lot of unpolished code: a couple days can help to get the code a bit more polished in order to present it as a new development during the conference, if people so choose. Lastly, I think that having a break before the conference gives people a bit of time to unwind: code sprints tend to be exhausting if you do them right (taking full advantage of shared physical location with long hours, for example), and going directly from that into a conference (described by one attendee as being similar to 'a 5 day long rave' due to the amount of energy it consumes) feels dangerous. :) Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint
Hi Tim, On Oct 12, 2008, at 7:01 PM, Tim Bowden wrote: Just to confuse things again, we're reconsidering the idea of having it before. It runs the risk of diverting attention from the last minute things that need to be done in the run up to the conf itself. After is looking like a great option right now (which would reduce by 1 the number of nights accommodation as well). I think that if there's a clear goal set for the Code Sprint and its relation to the conference, it can actually help to get a good turnout and instead of diverting attention it could increase it. If it is organized as _just a code sprint_ without objective(s) the risk is indeed there, otherwise I think the contrary can be true. You suggested the idea of an interoperability integration showcase, maybe as a permanent platform that shows both proprietary and open source software interoperate. I think that is an excellent idea and is well worth pursuing in collaboration with OGC and vendors. If such goal is pursued, a three days final preparation code sprint would be extremely valuable, also with respect to the workshops in the conference. I realize that both conference and code sprint are tiring events, so having them in one rush can be exhaustive. If there's a good chance to relax between the two (a long weekend) however, it may be worthwhile. My 2 cents, ciao, Jeroen ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint
On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:18:46PM +1100, Cameron Shorter wrote: Could someone who was at the 2008 sprint give us a summary about what went on, specifically with details like which projects were represented? how many people attended? OpenLayers had about 8 people. how long did people attend for? From whatever time they showed up -- ranging from 8:30 to 12:30 -- til we had to leave at 5. did everyone stay for the full 3 days or did some leave early? There was only one day of the sprint. Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint
Hi 2008/10/12 Christopher Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sun, Oct 12, 2008 at 10:18:46PM +1100, Cameron Shorter wrote: Could someone who was at the 2008 sprint give us a summary about what went on, specifically with details like which projects were represented? how many people attended? OpenLayers had about 8 people. I asked everyone attending to add themselves here: http://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/FOSS4G2008_CodeSprint Not all did (we had 35 folks in all), but the page still gives you a good feel for the project coverage. Regards Tim 8-snip-- -- Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release Manager) == Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about: * QGIS programming services * Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans * FOSS Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net == ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
[OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint
The FOSS4G 2009 team are planning a 3 day code sprint. The conference itself will be starting with workshops on Tuesday 20 Oct and finishing on Friday 23rd Oct. The possibilities for the code sprint are for the preceding Wednesday- Friday giving a long weekend in between (giving time for touring, more coding or whatever) or Sat - Monday with no break between the code sprint and the conference. What would people prefer? Either way, there is the possibility of choosing an out of the city location that would suit bringing your significant other/ families as some have requested in Cape Town. Would this work (or not) for you? Regards, Tim Bowden -- Experience is that marvelous thing that enables you recognize a mistake when you make it again. ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint
Hi 2008/10/11 Christopher Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 04:45:49PM +0800, Tim Bowden wrote: The FOSS4G 2009 team are planning a 3 day code sprint. The conference itself will be starting with workshops on Tuesday 20 Oct and finishing on Friday 23rd Oct. The possibilities for the code sprint are for the preceding Wednesday- Friday giving a long weekend in between (giving time for touring, more coding or whatever) or Sat - Monday with no break between the code sprint and the conference. What would people prefer? 8--snip--- The downside to the codesprint - gap - codesprint idea is that it means folks would need to cover accommodation living costs for 6 days over and above the conference.which will hit some of us hard in the pocket. That said, I think it would be great to have a longer code sprint. Another option to consider could be to start the sprint on the day before the core conf. starts and then to provide a code sprint space (we could have used the speaker prep room this year since it was underutilised) and allow for ad hoc coding get togethers during the conference. Of course having the sprint at the start of the conf does have the negative of people being seriously jetlagged to begin with(as opposed to being seriously hung over at the end...). One thing I learned from organising this years sprint is that almost everyone you ask will have a different opinion about how the code sprint should be arranged, and you may be better off just deciding on one way or the other and then making the arrangements clearly known so that people can logistically and psychologically prepare for it. Another point to make is that the turn out to the sprint was 3.5 x the number of people who said they would come so getting attendance of the sprint as part of the registration process will help you plan better. Regards Tim -- Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release Manager) == Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about: * QGIS programming services * Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans * FOSS Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net == ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint
On 2008/10/11 12:42 PM, Tim Sutton wrote: Another point to make is that the turn out to the sprint was 3.5 x the number of people who said they would come so getting attendance of the sprint as part of the registration process will help you plan better. Were there people who attended the FOSS4G 2008 Code Sprint who were not registered delegates to the FOSS4G conference? In other words, does the code sprint registration need to be distinct from the conference registration in order to capture everyone who is wanting to attend? -- Dave Patton CIS Canadian Information Systems Victoria, B.C. Degree Confluence Project: Canadian Coordinator Technical Coordinator http://www.confluence.org/ OSGeo FOSS4G2007 conference: Workshop Committee Chair Conference Committee member http://www.foss4g2007.org/ Personal website: Maps, GPS, etc. http://members.shaw.ca/davepatton/ ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 01:10:47PM -0700, Dave Patton wrote: On 2008/10/11 12:42 PM, Tim Sutton wrote: Another point to make is that the turn out to the sprint was 3.5 x the number of people who said they would come so getting attendance of the sprint as part of the registration process will help you plan better. Were there people who attended the FOSS4G 2008 Code Sprint who were not registered delegates to the FOSS4G conference? In other words, does the code sprint registration need to be distinct from the conference registration in order to capture everyone who is wanting to attend? I don't think we've had anything ike that happen in either 2007 or 2008... not to my memory, anyway. Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [OSGeo-Discuss] FOSS4G 2009 Code sprint
Hi 2008/10/11 Christopher Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 01:10:47PM -0700, Dave Patton wrote: On 2008/10/11 12:42 PM, Tim Sutton wrote: Another point to make is that the turn out to the sprint was 3.5 x the number of people who said they would come so getting attendance of the sprint as part of the registration process will help you plan better. Were there people who attended the FOSS4G 2008 Code Sprint who were not registered delegates to the FOSS4G conference? In other words, does the code sprint registration need to be distinct from the conference registration in order to capture everyone who is wanting to attend? I don't think we've had anything ike that happen in either 2007 or 2008... not to my memory, anyway. As far as I know all 2008 sprinters were conference registered, we just didn't have an explicit 'tick this box to indicate you will be attending the code sprint' option on the registration process. I suspect that even if we did have that added, people would still pitch up on whim, though perhaps less so if you have the sprint at / before the start of the conference. Which also brings to mind the issue of having the sprint before may reduce turn out as there were quite a few 2008 sprinters who came along as a result of in-conference interactions with developers / project members. Regards Tim Regards, -- Christopher Schmidt Web Developer ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss -- Tim Sutton - QGIS Project Steering Committee Member (Release Manager) == Visit http://linfiniti.com to find out about: * QGIS programming services * Mapserver and PostGIS based hosting plans * FOSS Consulting Services Skype: timlinux Irc: timlinux on #qgis at freenode.net == ___ Discuss mailing list Discuss@lists.osgeo.org http://lists.osgeo.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss
