Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
shadowlight wrote:
> Are there any plans to release the centrally hosted code as open
> source?
>
Unfortunately, releasing the whole platform under open source is not an
option due to restrictions imposed by our streaming service partners.
Theoretically we could release the parts of the central code which isnt
related to integration with streaming services but we have decided to
not do that right now since there is a bit of work to package it and it
wouldnt be useful for anything without the streaming service
integrations.
At this moment we would also prefer if someone was interested to take
over the whole platform since that would mean that ickStream could
continue to live and our streaming service integrations could be reused.
Due to restrictions imposed by our streaming partners this would only be
possible by licensing the technology or acquire the company.
The centrally hosted code is not really useful for personal use, its
only useful for a company that wants to operate a centrally managed
multi user platform.
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Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
Are there any plans to release the centrally hosted code as open source? shadowlight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=66327 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
Here is the thread to vote. Even if you don't use Deezer, can you guys still vote for this? https://en.deezercommunity.com/got-an-idea-9/enable-elite-hifi-on-squeezebox-4919#post139846 LMS 7.9.1 on QNAP 219P+ 3 wired Touch End Points Jolida Tube DAC III Marantz 2270 to Boston Acoustics Slimlines Marantz 7010 to B CM10 S2 dhallag's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30845 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
I've been an active user of Deezer with IckStream for quite some time now and have been very happy with it. This is really disappointing but understandable. Thanks for all your efforts and hard work. Someone mentioned using AFAIK with Deezer? Can you explain what this is? But I'm assuming this still won't make Deezer stream in hi-res/FLAC? thanks much... darien LMS 7.9.1 on QNAP 219P+ 3 wired Touch End Points Jolida Tube DAC III Marantz 2270 to Boston Acoustics Slimlines Marantz 7010 to B CM10 S2 dhallag's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30845 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
Breeker wrote: > Yes Pippin - when I go to the Installed plugin folder (with the command > cd /var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/InstalledPlugins) and then I do the > command 'rm -r ./IckStreamPlugin' I get the message 'rm: cannot remove > 'rm -r ./IckStreamPlugin' : no such file or directory. > Should I first try to delete IckStreamItemCache.db in > /var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache? UPDATE: a sudo did the trick! Now see > if I can restart the server. Update: YES! WORKED! So along the way > became a Unix programmer ;-) it's ./ickStreamPlugin, not ./IckStreamPlugin Linux file systems are case sensitive. You can check through autocomplete by tapping "tab" after entering a few characters. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
pippin wrote: > Which folder doesn't exist? I thought you wrote before that it's within > the "InstalledPlugins" folder? Yes Pippin - when I go to the Installed plugin folder (with the command cd /var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/InstalledPlugins) and then I do the command 'rm -r ./IckStreamPlugin' I get the message 'rm: cannot remove 'rm -r ./IckStreamPlugin' : no such file or directory. Breeker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69036 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
Breeker wrote: > Folder doesn't exist, but when I do a 'systemclt - l status > squeezeboxserver' I do get an errormessage regarding the Ickstream > plugin '_ANON__(207) Failed to retrieve content services from [...]' Which folder doesn't exist? I thought you wrote before that it's within the "InstalledPlugins" folder? --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
erland wrote: > Yes, that should be it. > > If that doesn't work there is also a possibility to start LMS without > loading any plugins with failsafe flag (so you can uninstall ickStream > through web GUI) as described here: > https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?110624-How-do-you-uninstall-a-plugin-without-the-web-UI-(Linux)=942053#post942053 Yes but I don't understand that, implying I don't know what you mean by 'edited / etc/ default/logitechmediaserver etc. in the case of my vortexbox Breeker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69036 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
pippin wrote: > Yes, that sounds correct. Folder doesn't exist, but when I do a 'systemclt - l status squeezeboxserver' I do get an errormessage regarding the Ickstream plugin '_ANON__(207) Failed to retrieve content services from [...]' Breeker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69036 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
Breeker wrote:
> Probably this one I assume >
> /var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/
>
Yes, that should be it.
If that doesn't work there is also a possibility to start LMS without
loading any plugins with failsafe flag (so you can uninstall ickStream
through web GUI) as described here:
https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?110624-How-do-you-uninstall-a-plugin-without-the-web-UI-(Linux)=942053#post942053
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LEAD PLATFORM DEVELOPER OF 'ICKSTREAM MUSIC PLATFORM'
(HTTP://WWW.ICKSTREAM.COM) - A WORLD OF MUSIC AT YOUR FINGERTIPS
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Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
pippin wrote: > I don't know exactly where the folder is on Vortexbox, but if you > navigate to the InstalledPlugins/Plugins folder, it would then be "rm -r > ./ickStreamPlugin" Probably this one I assume > /var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/ Breeker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69036 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Breeker wrote: > Probably this one I assume > > /var/lib/squeezeboxserver/cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins/ Yes, that sounds correct. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
I don't know exactly where the folder is on Vortexbox, but if you navigate to the InstalledPlugins/Plugins folder, it would then be "rm -r ./ickStreamPlugin" --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
pippin wrote: > We have announced it for two months before the shutdown. In this very > thread. > Also, you don't need to be a programmer, all you need to do is delete > the plugin folder from the Plugins folder. > > I agree it's unfortunate that the plugin blocks some setups when the > service is unavailable, we only learned about that after the shutdown or > we would have tried to remove the plugin before that through an update. > Sorry for the trouble. Hi Pippin, thanks for your reply. Could you please indicate which Unix commands I need to use (on Vortexbox)? Breeker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69036 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
Breeker wrote: > A message upfront from the Ickstream team would have been polite indeed. We have announced it for two months before the shutdown. In this very thread. Also, you don't need to be a programmer, all you need to do is delete the plugin folder from the Plugins folder. I agree it's unfortunate that the plugin blocks some setups when the service is unavailable, we only learned about that after the shutdown or we would have tried to remove the plugin before that through an update. Sorry for the trouble. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
diggerdig wrote: > Went away on holiday for a week and came back to discover that I had the > same problem as others here - ickStream shutdown killed my LMS dead. No > access to settings so had to manually remove the plugin. A quick fix but > discovering that it was ickStream took an age. But how? LMS is not starting in my case, now trying with Putty but not everyone is a Unix programmer. A message upfront from the Ickstream team would have been polite indeed. I'm on a Vortexbox and have been able to logon via Putty. But don't know how to set the 'fail safe' mode in LMS so that the Ickstream plugin can be removed after a reboot via the GUI. Breeker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=69036 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
I agree. Same here. Uninstall the ick-stream plugin and all will work fine. Scheibuman's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=29603 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
Went away on holiday for a week and came back to discover that I had the same problem as others here - ickStream shutdown killed my LMS dead. No access to settings so had to manually remove the plugin. A quick fix but discovering that it was ickStream took an age. diggerdig's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35490 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
I wondered why suddenly my two LMS server installations didn't work anymore, but understand now that the shutdown of ickStream was the reason. I still don't understand why this would bring down LMS. Slow down loading of the plugins page maybe. But bring it down? I'll have to investigate that. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
I wondered why suddenly my two LMS server installations didn't work anymore, but understand now that the shutdown of ickStream was the reason. I tinkered several hours over the weekend to get LMS server running again, and will have to invest further hours to reimplement the multi library implementation I had developed. Many thanks to the ichStream team for this very nice farewell present! 1 transporter with touch for controlling, 1 squeezebox 3, 6 squeezebox radio, 3 squeezebox controllers, ipeng on IPhones and IPads, LMS unter Max2Play on Odroid XU4, LMS with MusicIP unter Windows Homeserver 2011 on Compulab Intense PC (Intel i5, 2.1 GHz, 8 GB; ROON under Windows Server 2012 R2 Essentials on Dell PowerEdge T630 with 2x Intel Xeon E5-2630L v3 @ 1.80 GHz 8 core CPUs and 48 GB, 2 Bluesound Node 2 as ROON endpoints Otto-Wilhelm's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
For those who are having issues with LMS to start now that ickStream has stopped, i.e. want to uninstall it, but can't get to the web UI, this is what I did https://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?110624-How-do-you-uninstall-a-plugin-without-the-web-UI-(Linux)=942053#post942053 loz2103's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=55887 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
erland wrote: > Just for information to anyone still using ickStream Music Platform. > > As we indicated two months ago we have now permanently shutdown the > ickStream servers. > > At the moment there are no plans to start the ickStream service again > but if your company still feels the need to use some of our technology > or has the need for or interest in a continued service, please feel free > to contact us, we are open for all kind of options including licensing, > sale of our technology or the ickStream GmbH company. I'm sorry that it didn't work out, but tack så mycket very much for trying and sticking with it for as long as you did! atrocity's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
I was registered there. They could have sent out a message: We are terminating support for Ickstream, please remove it from LMS. The plugin is not found in the directory listed above, unless there is another secret, hush, hush layer of directories in the dinosaur MSDOS for anoraks. Zombie's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25009 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
badboygolf16v wrote: > > I purged LMS and reinstalled. And now it works OK? *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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My issue happened when I upgraded to a newer version of LMS. I purged LMS and reinstalled. badboygolf16v's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
I had the ickstream plugin installed on a linux install of LMS (vortexbox, using fedora linux). It's existence caused no issues with LMS today. I just went to the LMS webGUI like normal, went to "plugins" tab on settings and unticked ickstream and removed the URL from additional repositories section. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
If LMS not starting ... then you may well have to remove that plugin from the file system ... which is trickier if not familiar with Linux command line. Your plugins will be somewhere like /usr/local/slimserver/Cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins I don't want to suggest using commands to remove everything in a folder just in case you run it from the wrong place and remove too much stuff. so something like: cd /usr/local/slimserver/Cache/InstalledPlugins/Plugins ls and then you should see a listing of directories - with one of them named something like "ickstream". If there is then move into it ... cd ickstream (make sure that the upper/lower case matches what you see in the listing) Assuming no errors then ... rm Plugin.pm That might be enough to fool LMS ... so then start LMS and see if you get access via web browser ... then you could remove the plugin via the web interface. Someone with an ickstream installation will be able to give you better instructions. Paul Webster http://dabdig.blogspot.com Author Radio France (FIP etc) plugin Paul Webster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=105 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
I think this just killed my LMS! Does anyone know how to remove ickstream from my plugins without using the web UI, as this won't load currently. Thanks in advance. loz2103's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=55887 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Could this stop LMS restarting if Ickstream is installed? badboygolf16v's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19486 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
Just for information to anyone still using ickStream Music Platform.
As we indicated two months again we have now permanently shutdown the
ickStream servers.
At the moment there are no plans to start the ickStream service again
but if your company still feels the need to use some of our technology
or has the need for or interest in a continued service, please feel free
to contact us, we are open for all kind of options including licensing,
sale of our technology or the ickStream GmbH company.
Erland Isaksson ('My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info))
LEAD PLATFORM DEVELOPER OF 'ICKSTREAM MUSIC PLATFORM'
(HTTP://WWW.ICKSTREAM.COM) - A WORLD OF MUSIC AT YOUR FINGERTIPS
(Also developer of 'many plugins/applets'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/User:Erland))
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Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
Thanks, pippin, as always, for sharing your insight, and supporting this community. owner of the stuff at https://tuxreborn.netlify.com/ (which used to reside at www.tux.org/~peterw/) Note: The best way to reach me is email or PM, as I don't spend much time on the forums. *Free plugins:* AllQuiet Auto Dim/AutoDisplay BlankSaver ContextMenu DenonSerial FuzzyTime KidsPlay KitchenTimer PlayLog PowerCenter/BottleRocket SaverSwitcher SettingsManager SleepFade StatusFirst SyncOptions VolumeLock peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
peterw wrote: > I disagree. Plenty of companies - from giants like Google to small > outfits like Schedules Direct, fully publish APIs but rely on individual > customers to pay for API keys or other authentication credentials. > All of these companies are masters of their own fate. Music streaming services usually aren't. They have agreements with rights owners about how they have to secure content and most of these tend to be on the more ridiculous side of things. When we started ickStream, I too though this would somehow be about technology The issue is not so much the authentication credential - that's done through the user account. The problem is having an API key open to the public. I'm not aware of anyone allowing this if there is one. There are a lot of cases here where it's done, but most of them (like the YouTube plugin etc.) essentially violate some T Of course, you COULD handle this but it requires user action. The user would have to get an API key/authenticate etc. and these APIs are meant for vendors, not users. > > Unfortunately true. I see a big split in business models. I hope > all will migrate to the latter model... It's not a deliberate choice in this case. And migrating to something that makes sense is usually not an option. Spotify has had some success in designing something that is both kind of open and works for them and getting that pushed down the throat of rights owners but overall this process has taken them s many years --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
Re: [slim] ickStream Shutdown
pippin wrote: > The problem is that with an open source server, if they support an open > plugin, the services essentially have to give away an API key to the > public. I disagree. Plenty of companies - from giants like Google to small outfits like Schedules Direct, fully publish APIs but rely on individual customers to pay for API keys or other authentication credentials. pippin wrote: > In addition to this, some services keep their API secret and require an > NDA, in this case you can't distribute the code at all. Unfortunately true. I see a big split in business models. On the one side, outfits that guard APIs behind armies of sales teams vying for big dollar contacts; on the other, outfits like Amazon Web Services that will accept pretty much anybody with a credit card and are plenty willing to serve tiny customers like me who are billed only fractions of a dollar each month. I hope all will migrate to the latter model... owner of the stuff at https://tuxreborn.netlify.com/ (which used to reside at www.tux.org/~peterw/) Note: The best way to reach me is email or PM, as I don't spend much time on the forums. *Free plugins:* AllQuiet Auto Dim/AutoDisplay BlankSaver ContextMenu DenonSerial FuzzyTime KidsPlay KitchenTimer PlayLog PowerCenter/BottleRocket SaverSwitcher SettingsManager SleepFade StatusFirst SyncOptions VolumeLock peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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didjean wrote: > > I understand the structure of Deezer/Tidal API is different than the one > of Qobuz and needs the framework of a platform to integrated? The problem is that with an open source server, if they support an open plugin, the services essentially have to give away an API key to the public. What that means for them is, if somebody does something they deem critical with that key, the only option they have is to revoke the key and that means they shut down the service for all their users of the whole platform. Everybody then would have to update the server or plugin, a lot of people probably wouldn't even understand what's happening. With setups like MySB or ickStream, even if things go awry, they can easily change the key together with the operator because it's only being used in a single place, not on tens of thousands of machines. In addition to this, some services keep their API secret and require an NDA, in this case you can't distribute the code at all. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Can Tidal and Deezer via Msb stream in Lossless? Tidal: yes, Deezer: no. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ok you have a point and understand your point of view Michael: why not use what works. But since I felt in love with Squeezebox in 2005, I have always been reluctant to use msb.com (or SqueezeNetwork at the time) as radio streams were more stable using the server. Now that the server can easily be installed on a Raspberry Pi and can be left on 24/7 for minimal costs, I decided to totally drop msb as I don't have needs for it. Personally, I am a happy camper with the existing Qobuz plugin and your great updates :-). I am not looking at moving to Deezer nor Tidal. It's just that I am still recommending and helping installing Squeezebox solutions for friends. I just want to have a clear view on what is feasible or not. Can Tidal and Deezer via Msb stream in Lossless? Cheers! Transporter + Cambridge Audio 651R + Q Acoustics Concept 40 --- Touch + Onkyo TX-SR309 + Morel Applause MKII --- SB2, SB3, Duet, 2 Boom, 7 Radios --- Ipeng --- LMS 7.9.2 - 1537430919 / Max2Play --- Qobuz didjean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Well I would say it's sad/scary :-). With Ickstream gone, there is no more Tidal/Deezer integration when Msb.com will be shutting down. The irony I mentioned is that you're asking for an alternative for what is there, because that working thing might go away... and all of this in a thread which announced the shutdown of the alternative. Why don't you just use what is there as long as it lasts? I understand the structure of Deezer/Tidal API is different than the one of Qobuz and needs the framework of a platform to integrated? It's just that they're a bit less generous when it comes to handing out information and necessary access to their servers. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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didjean wrote: > Well I would say it's sad/scary :-). With Ickstream gone, there is no > more Tidal/Deezer integration when Msb.com will be shutting down. > I understand the structure of Deezer/Tidal API is different than the one > of Qobuz and needs the framework of a platform to integrated?The more people > that use mysqueezebox.com means it is more likely to continue. If everyone disconnected from it then it would definitely shut down. Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk slartibartfast's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=35609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mherger wrote: > > I might have missed something: as far as I understand, in order to > use > > Deezer or Tidal with LMS, you need to rely on mysqueezebox.com, > right? > > I have skipped the mysqueezebox.com in my current LMS > install/settings > > as I prefer to be totally independent of mysqueezebox.com that might > > shut down sooner or later. > > Isn't it ironic?... > > -- > > Michael Well I would say it's sad/scary :-). With Ickstream gone, there is no more Tidal/Deezer integration when Msb.com will be shutting down. I understand the structure of Deezer/Tidal API is different than the one of Qobuz and needs the framework of a platform to integrated? Transporter + Cambridge Audio 651R + Q Acoustics Concept 40 --- Touch + Onkyo TX-SR309 + Morel Applause MKII --- SB2, SB3, Duet, 2 Boom, 7 Radios --- Ipeng --- LMS 7.9.2 - 1537430919 / Max2Play --- Qobuz didjean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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I might have missed something: as far as I understand, in order to use Deezer or Tidal with LMS, you need to rely on mysqueezebox.com, right? I have skipped the mysqueezebox.com in my current LMS install/settings as I prefer to be totally independent of mysqueezebox.com that might shut down sooner or later. Isn't it ironic?... -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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mherger wrote: > > As I am using Qobuz, I didn't realized that there were no LMS plugin > for > > Tidal nor Deezer? > > There are plugins for Tidal and Deezer built in to LMS. > > -- > > Michael I might have missed something: as far as I understand, in order to use Deezer or Tidal with LMS, you need to rely on mysqueezebox.com, right? I have skipped the mysqueezebox.com in my current LMS install/settings as I prefer to be totally independent of mysqueezebox.com that might shut down sooner or later. Transporter + Cambridge Audio 651R + Q Acoustics Concept 40 --- Touch + Onkyo TX-SR309 + Morel Applause MKII --- SB2, SB3, Duet, 2 Boom, 7 Radios --- Ipeng --- LMS 7.9.2 - 1537430919 / Max2Play --- Qobuz didjean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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As I am using Qobuz, I didn't realized that there were no LMS plugin for Tidal nor Deezer? There are plugins for Tidal and Deezer built in to LMS. -- Michael ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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pippin wrote: > Yes, I think Deezer Elite (FLAC) is one of the exceptions not available > through MySqueezebox.com. As I am using Qobuz, I didn't realized that there were no LMS plugin for Tidal nor Deezer? In addition, no plugins for Apple Music or Google Play Music. Moreover, integration for Alexa and Home are also quite difficult. We are lucky to have Spotty - definitely a great move done by Michael. But for the rest, the offering is becoming quite limited. Isn't it an issue looking forward? We shouldn't rely on mysqueezebox.com as the service could be shut down quite easily. Transporter + Cambridge Audio 651R + Q Acoustics Concept 40 --- Touch + Onkyo TX-SR309 + Morel Applause MKII --- SB2, SB3, Duet, 2 Boom, 7 Radios --- Ipeng --- LMS 7.9.2 - 1537430919 / Max2Play --- Qobuz didjean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Yes, I think Deezer Elite (FLAC) is one of the exceptions not available through MySqueezebox.com. --- learn more about iPeng, the iPhone and iPad remote for the Squeezebox and Logitech UE Smart Radio as well as iPeng Party, the free Party-App, at penguinlovesmusic.com *New: iPeng 9, the Universal App for iPhone, iPad and Apple Watch* pippin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13777 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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didjean wrote:
>
> Is there a section or a wiki somewhere that lists services and plugins
> available for Squeezebox that used to be integrated with ickstream. On
> my side I am using the Qobuz plugin in LMS and very happy with it. But
> quid for people using e.g. Deezer?
>
The services available in the open beta of ickStream are shown on this
page:
http://wiki.ickstream.com/index.php/Open_Beta_Squeezebox
I think most are available on Squeezebox through mysqueezebox.com and
some as third party plugins which can be used without mysqueezebox.com
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(HTTP://WWW.ICKSTREAM.COM) - A WORLD OF MUSIC AT YOUR FINGERTIPS
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On Sat, 13 Apr 2019 08:41:48 +, didjean wrote: > > Very sad to hear this news. :-/. +1! Really sad news. But anyway, a big thanks to all who took care of Ickstream during the last years! I was using Deezer Hifi via Ickstream for a few years and AFAIK this was the only possibility to stream content in flac from Deezer to the squeezeboxes, because the official Deezer plugin on mysqueezebox.com can only stream in mp3 quality :-(. Cheers, Schoepp ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Very sad to hear this news. :-/. Is there a section or a wiki somewhere that lists services and plugins available for Squeezebox that used to be integrated with ickstream. On my side I am using the Qobuz plugin in LMS and very happy with it. But quid for people using e.g. Deezer? Transporter + Cambridge Audio 651R + Q Acoustics Concept 40 --- Touch + Onkyo TX-SR309 + Morel Applause MKII --- SB2, SB3, Duet, 2 Boom, 7 Radios --- Ipeng --- LMS 7.9.2 - 1537430919 / Max2Play --- Qobuz didjean's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2900 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Erland, pippin, et. al., my condolences. I'm sorry to see this venture come to a close and wish you the best. owner of the stuff at https://tuxreborn.netlify.com/ (which used to reside at www.tux.org/~peterw/) Note: The best way to reach me is email or PM, as I don't spend much time on the forums. *Free plugins:* AllQuiet Auto Dim/AutoDisplay BlankSaver ContextMenu DenonSerial FuzzyTime KidsPlay KitchenTimer PlayLog PowerCenter/BottleRocket SaverSwitcher SettingsManager SleepFade StatusFirst SyncOptions VolumeLock peterw's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2107 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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callesoroe wrote: > You have to give in your credentials to Tidal on Mysqeezebox.com. Do you > have an old squeezebox registered? I updated the server, added the plugin v 1.2, deleted the account at mysqueezebox, added the account at mysqueezebox and now there is music. And I can even play different songs with the different players SUPER :) woodster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32688 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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callesoroe wrote: > You have to give in your credentials to Tidal on Mysqeezebox.com. Do you > have an old squeezebox registered? Hi, yes I have signed in for the Tidal app at mysqueezebox.com - and it lists my players also. I can search, get metadata, but no sound, it just skips the tracks quite fast. woodster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32688 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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erland wrote: > Many of the content services cant be released as open source due to > restrictions by streaming partners (since it would expose their private > apis and potentially violate NDAs). The platform itself could > theoretically be released as open source but it isnt really suitable to > run on a local server, its optimized for being a central server used by > many simultaneous users. Okay - makes sense. Thanks for you work so far woodster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32688 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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woodster wrote: > Sounds OK then. > > Do you install the official Tidal App through the mysqueezebox webpage, > or is it though the plugin page in the server. > > I tried the App, and I can search for music, but nothing comes out of > the players - they are Squeezelite players from the Airplay plugin. You have to give in your credentials to Tidal on Mysqeezebox.com. Do you have an old squeezebox registered? Callesoroe Living room: Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas) Kitchen: Receiver - S.M.S.L DAC, Prodipe Pro 5 active bi-amp speakers. Bedroom: Receiver+UE boombox, Kids: Receiver+Active speakers, Office: Transporter, JBL LSR305 active speakers , TIDAL HIFI flac streaming. http://www.last.fm/user/callesoroe callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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woodster wrote:
>
> Futurewise / featurewise is it possible to release the IckStream
> platform as a project that can be deployed on a local server - or does
> it end up in legal issues?
>
Many of the content services cant be released as open source due to
restrictions by streaming partners (since it would expose their private
apis and potentially violate NDAs). The platform itself could
theoretically be released as open source but it isnt really suitable to
run on a local server, its optimized for being a central server used by
many simultaneous users.
Erland Isaksson ('My homepage' (http://erland.isaksson.info))
LEAD PLATFORM DEVELOPER OF 'ICKSTREAM MUSIC PLATFORM'
(HTTP://WWW.ICKSTREAM.COM) - A WORLD OF MUSIC AT YOUR FINGERTIPS
(Also developer of 'many plugins/applets'
(http://wiki.slimdevices.com/index.php/User:Erland))
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Sounds OK then. Do you install the official Tidal App through the mysqueezebox webpage, or is it though the plugin page in the server. I tried the App, and I can search for music, but nothing comes out of the players - they are Squeezelite players from the Airplay plugin. callesoroe wrote: > Yes. That works fine as long as you use squeezeboxes. But if you start > the Tidal APP on a cellphone og PC, squeezebox will stop after the song > it is playing. woodster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32688 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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woodster wrote: > > I was able to stream different songs to different players - is that > something that is possible with the official Tidal App? > Yes. That works fine as long as you use squeezeboxes. But if you start the Tidal APP on a cellphone og PC, squeezebox will stop after the song it is playing. Callesoroe Living room: Transporter, Tact RCS 2.2X digital preamp, Martin Logan Vista speakers, AMPS(Icepower): Acoustic Reality Ear Enigma PLUS(PANELS), Acoustic Reality Ear TWO MKII(Bas) Kitchen: Receiver - S.M.S.L DAC, Prodipe Pro 5 active bi-amp speakers. Bedroom: Receiver+UE boombox, Kids: Receiver+Active speakers, Office: Transporter, JBL LSR305 active speakers , TIDAL HIFI flac streaming. http://www.last.fm/user/callesoroe callesoroe's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22693 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Ahh.. sad to hear IckStream has been working flawlessly for me through a couple of years... I was able to stream different songs to different players - is that something that is possible with the official Tidal App? Futurewise / featurewise is it possible to release the IckStream platform as a project that can be deployed on a local server - or does it end up in legal issues? Regards... woodster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=32688 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Thank You. I have used your services for a number of years. A very satisfied user. I have a vague notion that the plugin I was using prior to ickstream was going unsupported or stopped working. Switched to ickstream and never looked back. I now see that the 'native' plugin I need for my streaming service works (again?), so all is good. Good luck, and thanks again. Dag B dagb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19138 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
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Sad, but understandable. Thanks to you and the team for all your hard work. *Home:* VBA 4TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Transporter, Touch, Boom, Radio (all ethernet) *Cottage:* VBA 3TB (2.4)>LMS 7.9.1>Touch>Benchmark DAC I, Boom, Radio w/Battery (ethernet, Radio WIFI) *Office:* Win10(64)>LMS 7.9.2>Squeezelite *The Wild (no internet): *PiCorePlayer 4.0 on rPi 3B+, hifiberry Dac+Pro, 4TB USB (LMS & Squeezelite) *Controllers:* iPhone6 & iPadAir2 (iPeng), CONTROLLER, or SqueezePlay 7.8 on Win10(64) laptop *Files:* ripping: dbpa > FLAC; post-rip: mp3tag, PerfectTunes; Streaming: Spotify garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=110399 ___ discuss mailing list discuss@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/discuss
