it is, is not only the methods but the
questions asked.
--
Hanania
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Nick Flor
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Hanania, what
Errol writes,
1) why supporters of particular approaches to software development are
talking past each other and not necessarily hearing what each other are
saying?
I would hypothesize that it is because they do not understand each other.
Computer scientists are trying to solve a very difficult
A marvellous analysis of the reasons for the mathematical
(or formal) versus human orientation in software engineering can
be found in Phil Agre's chapter Conceptions of the user in
computer system design. So far as I know, his observations
regarding the user as human person have not been
, what makes science what it is, is not only the methods but the
questions asked. --
Hanania
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In the paper that I mentioned in a previous posting, Wieringa claimed
that much of the Software Engineering (SE) research does not apply
scientific methods. Not only that I agreed with him, but I claimed
that the situation is even worth than that; in many of the SE papers
the
: PPIG discuss: When agile goes bad
A marvellous analysis of the reasons for the mathematical
(or formal) versus human orientation in software engineering can be
found in Phil Agre's chapter Conceptions of the user in computer system
design. So far as I know, his observations regarding the user
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Subject: RE: PPIG discuss: When agile goes bad
Errol, you say that in the debate over agile methods some people fail toput
aside theirown paradigm blinkers
and seek to find maybe another framework for evaluating the solution. To
continue along your line, I would add that both
it is, is not only the methods but the
questions asked.
--
Hanania
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Hanania
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Errol, you say that in the debate over agile methods some people fail to put
aside their own paradigm blinkers and seek to find maybe another framework for
evaluating
discuss: When agile goes bad
Errol, wrote:
...Let's stop knocking others because their paradigm of software
development doesn't fit ours and look at ways of learning from each other's
strengths and seeing our weaknesses. ...
Yes, Errol, but that is far from being
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From a quick look at the article, I would agree with many of its points.
However, I would also suggest reading beyond our own domain
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/02/2007 01:40:08 PM:
I'm confused by the point of these anecdotes
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 10/02/2007 01:40:08 PM:
I'm confused by the point of these anecdotes. Is there some study
that backs up these stories?
Without defending the pros and cons of these (so called) agile
methodolgies we can stipulate that indeed different orginaztions have
Ruven E Brooks wrote:
For other organizations, with a different set of pathologies,
the medicine might be more often fatal
than the disease.
Ruven,
I think this is the key insight of the story. And if you don't mind a
shameless plug: in a recent study of seven small companies we found,
I'm confused by the point of these anecdotes. Is there some study
that backs up these stories?
Without defending the pros and cons of these (so called) agile
methodolgies we can stipulate that indeed different orginaztions have
different needs. However, these anecdotes come across as an attack
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