Re: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread Darin Kohles
You can always build a Flex (or Flash for that matter) application that can be put in you page as a 1px by 1px (I'm not sure if 0 by 0 will work) that has nothing on the stage with wmode=transparent. This application can now act as your portal between the browser via JS using the External

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread shawn gorrell
Charlie, my main issues with AJAX are dealing with cross-browser issues, and security. AJAX exposes some of the most annoying cross-browser DHTML sort of things. Using libraries and frameworks can insulate you from that to a degree, but not always completely. I've got a customer doing things

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread Brooke Dunwell
Hello everyone, My client is looking for a flex developer. They are located in the Orlando market. Anyone interested or know anyone I could speak with? Comp: $70-95k Role: extend our Flex-based CDN Dashboard application. Requirements (must have all): Experience developing in Flex 2.0

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread Darin Kohles
Speaking of Benchmarks: http://www.jamesward.org/census/ On Feb 8, 2008 11:52 AM, Darin Kohles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can always build a Flex (or Flash for that matter) application that can be put in you page as a 1px by 1px (I'm not sure if 0 by 0 will work) that has nothing on the

[ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread Charlie Arehart
That seems a curious statement, Forrest, and I'm sure some would enjoy a bit of discussion on it. For those who weren't following closely, he had asked first about some challenges using a CFX_google custom tag, and in the replies he was told that it's quite old and instead Google favors some

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread Dean H. Saxe
*cough* BS. Flash can be decompiled. I can watch all of the traffic. Even over SSL. I can modify AMF (I'd have to look @ secure AMF). If you'd like to challenge me to hack the app, let me know. I'm up for it. ;-) -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] If liberty means anything

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread Dean H. Saxe
Yes, the security issues are pervasive. Read Ajax Security by Billy Hoffman @ SPI Dynamics (now HP) for a great review of these concerns. -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dissent is the purest form of patriotism. --Thomas Jefferson On Feb 8, 2008, at 11:20 AM, shawn

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread axunderwood
Just a quick .02 from me. Your last statement grabbed my attention... Do you think AJAX is or will be as useful and powerful as CF? I think maybe you're looking at AJAX wrong. AJAX is something that is typically used in conjunction with CF, PHP, ASP.NET, etc. AJAX is there to do a couple of

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread Forrest C. Gilmore
Some interesting benchmark results! Also thanks for noting the security issues, etc. with AJAX and Javascript. I guess my somewhat negative attitude toward AJAX has to do with its Javascript underpinings. It's Javascript that I tend to dislike. I mean, I like being able to write code that

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread Fennell, Mark P.
disbelief lemme get this straight. you can decrypt SSL traffic into a human readable format? you can crack a 128-bit certificate? what about a high-grade AES 256-bit pipe? /disbelief From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread Dean H. Saxe
Hah, no, not quite. That would kill all ecommerce overnight if that happened. -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread Fennell, Mark P.
sad but true users will be users despite our best efforts. I was worried that I missed something and all security evaporated overnight. Stranger things have happened. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dean H. Saxe Sent: Friday,

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread Dean H. Saxe
Yes. Man in the middle proxy to decrypt traffic on the fly. I don't need to decrypt the traffic, I let SSL do all the work and just pass the communications through my proxy. Encrypted tunnels exist between browser - proxy and proxy- server. You receive a certificate warning, but most

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread Dean H. Saxe
If secure AMF is just AMF over SSL... its easy enough to modify in transit. Darrin, if you or your organization wants a demo of why these things are insecure, let me know. I'll be more than happy to do some live web hacking for you. (And yes, Charlie, I haven't forgotten about you and

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread John Mason
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Re: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread Dean H. Saxe
Sure no problem. I'm doing a live web hacking show for WebManiacs in DC if anyone is going. I had to pass on Cf.Objective due to my wife having the nerve to have a child. ;-) Give me some tentative dates, I'll be there. -dhs Dean H. Saxe, CISSP, CEH [EMAIL PROTECTED] What is

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread Dean H. Saxe
BTW, the cert is not 128 bits, that would be trivially small for a public key. The public key is used to verify the identity of the server (i.e. does it match the machine name? Can it be validated through Public Key Infrastructure (PKI)?). The tunnel may use 128 bit AES, but the cert is

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] will Ajax go away (was JVM version and ColdFusion)

2008-02-08 Thread Howard Fore
Forrest, There's nothing that says that web services used in AJAX have to be consumed only by connections initiated by Javascript. The only part of traditional AJAX that requires Javascript is the manipulation of the browser content (and that's only because it enables content to change on the