Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework

2009-07-20 Thread Dean H. Saxe
That's the point of MVC. The view is independent of the controller and the data (er, model). -dhs -- Dean H. Saxe d...@fullfrontalnerdity.com "A true conservationist is a person who knows that the world is not given by his fathers, but borrowed from his children." -- John James Audubon

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework

2009-07-20 Thread Cameron Childress
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Dean H. Saxe wrote: > The data is the model.  The view is Flex/Ajax. Some Flex (AIR) apps store their own data internally in addition to interacting with data on the server. Flex apps can have their own controllers, and their own model. Sometimes these resemble t

[ACFUG Discuss] special app to track email?

2009-07-20 Thread Kristine
Before I set about programming a method to track email correspondences, I wondered if anyone knew if this existed already. Here's our situation: 1. We track all emails our customers make to records they have in their private database. 2. However, we have 2 new customers askin

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework

2009-07-20 Thread Jonathan Burnham
My understanding is your model is a model of the application data, and the data resulting from a call to an event is rendered in place of the view. The controller orchestrates everything up through the data rendering, then your front-end technology consumes the data for display. I guess in a gener

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework

2009-07-20 Thread Dean H. Saxe
The data is the model. The view is Flex/Ajax. -dhs -- Dean H. Saxe d...@fullfrontalnerdity.com "A true conservationist is a person who knows that the world is not given by his fathers, but borrowed from his children." -- John James Audubon On Jul 20, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Jonathan Burnham

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework

2009-07-20 Thread Jonathan Burnham
I'd argue that by using Flex or Ajax you are not using MVC anymore, but you are using a remote event-driven framework. The M & C would still be there, but the framework doesn't render a view - it's rendering data. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:04 PM, Dean H. Saxe wrote: > ORM has nothing to do with

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework

2009-07-20 Thread Dean H. Saxe
ORM has nothing to do with MVC. ORM is all about mapping objects to relational databases. One can use MVC without objects and without a relational database. Conversely, one can use an ORM without using MVC. So the two sets of frameworks should not be confused. -dhs -- Dean H. Saxe d...

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework

2009-07-20 Thread Douglas Knudsen
I'd argue that if you can't use one of these MVC frameworks with Flex or AJAX, it might not be so MVC, eh? :) Also to point out, ORMs are really a extension of these tools mentioned, they are not MVC frameworks on their own. Douglas Knudsen http://www.cubicleman.com this is my signature, like it

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework

2009-07-20 Thread Charlie Arehart
On top of what Teddy offered in reply to your question, Tim, I’d point out as well that despite CF9 having ORM built-in, the other ORM frameworks could continue to exist for years if only to serve those who don’t move to 9 (there’s traditionally a long slow march to any new release, taking years

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework

2009-07-20 Thread Teddy R. Payne
Flex calling a framework is a nice feature. Model-Glue, unless it has changed recently, takes advantage of ColdSpring. Using the RemoteObjectProxy in ColdSpring made it pretty simple to create a webservice that calls the result of several dependent CFC objects created in the application to be ava

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework

2009-07-20 Thread Tom McNeer
Clarke, Tom said, Model-Glue feels more comfortable than Mach-II. > Well, I said "to me." YMMV. > But, unless one of you says “Oh My, that’s a big mistake!”, I’m going to > start with ColdBox. > Not a bit. Luis Majano has done a pretty amazing job. I just haven't had the time to give ColdBox a r

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework

2009-07-20 Thread Jonathan Burnham
You won't be disappointed with ColdBox. On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Clarke Bishop wrote: > Thanks Teddy and Tom for your ideas! > > > > I watched another one of Charlie’s CFMeetup preso’s – This one by Isaac > Dealy. The topic was: Comparing CF Frameworks, a practical demonstration. > > ht

RE: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework

2009-07-20 Thread Clarke Bishop
Thanks Teddy and Tom for your ideas! I watched another one of Charlie’s CFMeetup preso’s – This one by Isaac Dealy. The topic was: Comparing CF Frameworks, a practical demonstration. https://admin.na3.acrobat.com/_a204547676/p54833624/ http://on.tapogee.com/galleonproject/index.html Is

Re: [ACFUG Discuss] Learning a ColdFusion Framework

2009-07-20 Thread Tom McNeer
Clarke, So far, everyone's been very even-handed about not really recommending one framework. And while I won't contradict that (in fact, I'll +1 it), I'll say that I'm very, very comfortable with Model-Glue. I used Mach-II in its pre-1.0 days, and for a while after. And I have less than no knowle