.
Thanks to a nice person that recently proposed kindness as a way to
resolve conflict.
In my great effort of trying hard to be nice,
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May it be with you too! Count me in. :-)
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> And I generally do apologies (and promote such habits) when I use or
> prompt others to engage with entities I feel are harmful overall. To be
> specific to software freedom, instead of an absolute of never suggesting
> or using any proprietary software ever, I make compromises to be
>
Is this list censored (what many call moderation) too? Please tell me the
truth: Yes or No.
On Mon, October 14, 2019 9:26 am, ahil...@keemail.me wrote:
>
> Date: Oct 14, 2019, 14:14
> From: discussion-ow...@lists.fsfellowship.eu
> To: ahil...@keemail.me
> Subject: Your message to Discussion
On Mon, October 14, 2019 11:15 am, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>
>
> On 14/10/2019 17:10, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>> On Mon, October 14, 2019 10:53 am, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 14/10/2019 16:48, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
Is this list censored (what many call moderation) too? Please tell
On Mon, October 14, 2019 10:53 am, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>
>
> On 14/10/2019 16:48, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>> Is this list censored (what many call moderation) too? Please tell me
>> the
>> truth: Yes or No.
>>
>
> Sometimes people submit an email using an email address that isn't
> subscribed
What do you (freemedia) and Jean Louis (I like his newer more positive attitude)
propose we do to avoid this takeover?
It is centered on the issue: users versus developers. I think that the
most important "stakeholders" are users, not developers. Richard
Stallman defends users, even though he has
freeme...@tutanota.com writes:
> i would add, caleb, that you certainly missed the point.
>
> for fucks sake, i think the linux kernel is better (for most purposes.)
>
> i think you might not be aware of the number of predictions about free
> software in the past year or two that have already
freeme...@tutanota.com writes:
> it wasnt the central point of the article, which is that the kernel is
> under so many threats, that it will probably continue to be abandoned
> for bsd (as hyperbola has already done.)
Thank you for taking the time to explain to me me every point.
I will have
Caleb Herbert writes:
> On 2/24/20 1:04 PM, quiliro wrote:
>> What is wrong with my FSFLA colleages? If there is something wrong, I
>> am in the position to correct it because I am on the Board.
>
> lxo is a good man. He does not deserve to have his name tarnished.
I
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I do not think that anyone should go by another person's values
exactly. But if someone supports a proposal, there must be a general
congruence between their words and actions.
If I say I support Stallman, I would never use the words "open source"
unless it is to describe the problem they are. If
writes:
> "Out of respect for Wayland's family, Debian needs to unilaterally
> acknowledge something went wrong at Christmas 2018 and furthermore,
> distance itself from the preaching of Molly de Blanc and other
> amateur-hour enforcers."
>
> https://debian.community/remembering-lucy-wayland/
>
Daniel Pocock writes:
> Debian and FSFE could make the stickers irrelevant by simply confirming
> that all members have these rights:
>
> - freedom of expression
>
> - the right to vote
>
> - the right to due process
I think the first 2 right are good. The third one implies a submission
to an
writes:
> every day i check this mailing list. posts do not get replied to.
>
> certainly i dont expect every email to be replied to, but the point of this
> list, i thought, i was to maintain the fellowship programme.
>
> how is it the list has gone from so many posts to so few? how come
Please pardon if my message arrived without a body. Here were the
contents:
It would be nice to have a list of organizations that support Richard
Stallman's view of freedom. That would counter any open source,
corporational, false activist or oportunist project activities against
the ideas of
writes:
>> List of organizations that support Stallman's of freedom
>
> good question.
Nice to have someone that backs this idea. :-)
> i would start here:
> https://lists.fsfellowship.eu/pipermail/discussion/2020-January/000688.html
> (the free software movement as revealed by a small meteor)
freeme...@tutanota.com writes:
> http://techrights.org/2020/02/16/au-revoir-gnu-linux/
Why do you say "Trisquel, what an absolute P-A-R-O-D-Y of its own
mission it is now" ?
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freeme...@tutanota.com writes:
>> That is as valuable as dust in the desert.
If it was not clear. I wrote this in relation to Caleb saying the
Techrights article was FUD without mentioning specifics whic preved it
was FUD.
> yknow quiliro, its getting a bit annoying now. when i warn
writes:
> For quite a while, Maffia's evil game confused me. First he writes
> here again and makes confusing allegations and then Daniel apparently
> agrees with him in polls and mails to the list. I've long thought
> about how it could be that Maffias and Daniel, who are evil enemies,
> can
Danny Spitzberg writes:
> I appreciate your quest for truth, but in these current circumstances with
> virtually (no pun) everyone on email a bit or a lot more than usual, would
> you consider maybe reducing the
> volume of emails you send to <10 per day, and/or staying on the same threads?
I
Matthew Garrett writes:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 07:40:50PM -0500, quiliro wrote:
>> Matthew Garrett writes:
>>
>> > On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 07:00:03PM -0500, quiliro wrote:
>> >> Matthew Garrett writes:
>> >>
>> >> > On Tue, Se
Matthew Garrett writes:
> On Sat, Sep 05, 2020 at 06:53:57PM -0500, quiliro wrote:
>
>> Something that is "backed up by an array of publicly available
>> evidence." This you have said. But you have not shown. A web page is not
>> first hand testimonies.
>
>
quiliro writes:
> Matthew Garrett writes:
>> The Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not require that a
>> volunteer organisation grant membership to a rapist, even if said rapist
>> has not been found guilty in a court of law.
> Are you aserting that J
Matthew Garrett writes:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 05:59:46PM -0500, quiliro wrote:
>> Matthew Garrett writes:
>> > The Universal Declaration of Human Rights does not require that a
>> > volunteer organisation grant membership to a rapist, even if said rapist
>
Matthew Garrett writes:
> On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 07:00:03PM -0500, quiliro wrote:
>> Matthew Garrett writes:
>>
>> > On Tue, Sep 01, 2020 at 05:59:46PM -0500, quiliro wrote:
>> >> Matthew Garrett writes:
>> >> > The Uni
Matthew Garrett writes:
> When you refuse to present the victims' side of events, you are not
> acting in a neutral way. Why do you seek to defend a rapist while
> refusing to present the accusations?
I met Jacob Appelbaum on 2018 when we invited him to an event we
organized. Although he
Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton writes:
>> On Sat, Sep 05, 2020 at 06:53:57PM -0500, quiliro wrote:
>>
>> > Something that is "backed up by an array of publicly available
>> > evidence." This you have said. But you have not shown. A web page is no
Matthew Garrett writes:
> On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 05:47:14PM -0500, quiliro wrote:
>> Matthew Garrett writes:
>>
>> > On Mon, Sep 07, 2020 at 10:36:03AM -0500, quiliro wrote:
>> >
>> >> There is no evidence of any rape. There are anonymous texts onl
Matthew Garrett writes:
> On Sat, Sep 05, 2020 at 09:24:50PM -0500, quiliro wrote:
>
>> A "yes it is"/"no it isn't" discussion will get us nowhere. In the end,
>> no facts are in those words, just opinions. Unless you support with
>> other evidence,
Debian Community News Team writes:
> Black Ribbon Day is on Sunday
>
> Please share and provide feedback about the news
>
> https://fsfellowship.eu/matthias-kirschner-fsfe-nazi-comparisons/
I do think it is a very eye-openning article. I would not use such a
sensitive thing as nazism. But in
Debian Community News Team writes:
> Can't make this up
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/18/lord-of-the-rings-special-effects-company-weta-digital-launches-inquiry-into-toxic-workplace-claims
What is wrong with sending or receiving pornography? I see it as freedom
of expression by
Debian Community News Team writes:
> "For internships we meanwhile give preference to women."
>
> Sexist discrimination? Maybe illegal in Germany.
>
> Jobs for men, internships for women
I don't know anything about this particular case.
But it has always bothered me that more qualified men
Debian Community News Team writes:
> On 05/01/2021 13:22, quiliro wrote:
>>
>>> On 03/01/2021 14:40, quiliro wrote:
>>>> Which would be a good way to end this fighting? I know there are
>>>> wounds. But there could be a consensus to stop wou
Thank you very much for such a great deal of information about the topic
and about your first hand experience.
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 6:30 PM quiliro wrote:
>> But it has always bothered me that more qualified men have been put
>> down in order to cover gender quotas.
I was reading Molly LeBlank's latest blog post this year with many more
rants against white men and against Richard Stallman's continued
participation in the free software movement. Yes, it is the movement she
belongs to and which would probably not exist, if it were not mostly for
him.
I grant
Debian Community News Team writes:
> Please stop giving money to FSFE
>
>
> https://fsfellowship.eu/court-case-fsfe-women-and-volunteers-face-modern-day-slavery/
>
>
> The despot described by the female employee is the same despot described
> by the former fellowship representative.
Which would
Matthew Garrett writes:
> On Mon, May 24, 2021 at 07:46:04AM -0500, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>> Wow! Another community which was in favour of defending freedom from
>> attacks is trying to be taken over. I wonder what would happen if
>> people who do not mind non-free software's abuses would
Matthew Garrett writes:
> On Fri, Jun 04, 2021 at 03:02:38PM -0500, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>> Matthew Garrett writes:
>> > Where did I perform this conflation?
>>
>> Sun, 4 Apr 2021 02:13:54 +0100 on this mailing list.
>
> I was referring to Jake (hence "a rapist", meaning I was only
Francesco Florian writes:
> On Fr, 04 Jun 2021, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>> If I were to weigh how much hurt Red Hat, Google and Cannonical (your
>> past employers) have done to the free software community and with which
>> you have collaborated, I would say it would be better to remove you
>>
Matthew Garrett writes:
> On Fri, Jun 04, 2021 at 09:08:25AM -0500, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>> Matthew Garrett writes:
>>
>> > I don't believe that I've ever conflated his opinions with rape? It's
>> > possible that I've been careless with wording at some point, but while I
>> > may
Matthew Garrett writes:
> On Fri, Jun 04, 2021 at 09:15:20PM -0500, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>> Matthew Garrett writes:
>>
>> > On Fri, Jun 04, 2021 at 03:02:38PM -0500, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>> >> Matthew Garrett writes:
>> >> > Where did I perform this conflation?
>> >>
>> >> Sun, 4
Matthew Garrett writes:
> On Sat, Jun 05, 2021 at 08:36:27PM -0500, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>> Matthew Garrett writes:
>> > I can - Jake raped or sexually assaulted several people I know. No
>> > social benefit can be used to justify that.
>>
>> I can't because I have no evidence. The
Matthew Garrett writes:
> On Sun, Jun 06, 2021 at 12:18:46PM -0500, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>> Matthew Garrett writes:
>>
>> > On Sat, Jun 05, 2021 at 08:36:27PM -0500, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>> >> Matthew Garrett writes:
>> >> > I can - Jake raped or sexually assaulted several people I
Matthew Garrett writes:
> On Fri, May 28, 2021 at 08:54:57PM -0500, quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>
>> I mean that a community which was backing Richard Stallman and his quest
>> of freedom is being programatically taken over by someone who opposes
>> him and conflates his opinions with rape. Yes,
Wow! Another community which was in favour of defending freedom from
attacks is trying to be taken over. I wonder what would happen if
people who do not mind non-free software's abuses would create their own
communities and call themselves in a way which it would be easy to
identify their
How can we distinguish who is to be unvoiced, kicked and expelled from
projects which have such powerful enemies that might want influential
people to stop doing that activism? It is not possible or even
desireable. We must find an algorithm to find the real facts and to
separate project values
I had this on my drafts' folder for so long. But, here it is.
Lori Nagel writes:
-
> Compare: is it censorship if a TV network does not continue buying and
> broadcasting some bought-in show?
No. It is censorship when they do not have to pay and they do it for
presenting one side in favour of
It is puzzling that you write to a list of trolls and hyenas, expecting
to be listened to.
On the other hand, I do see terrible tactics used here to speak badly
about several people. But it is about the only place where there has
not been censorship, as of my experience.
It is better to have
El 2019-10-30 07:27, Jean Louis escribió:
> * Quiliro Ordóñez [2019-10-30 13:13]:
>> Has censorship been confirmed on that mailing list or was it a
>> misunderstanding?
>
> Moderation is happening on that mailing list. There is somebody,
> unknown to me, who will re
Has censorship been confirmed on that mailing list or was it a
misunderstanding?
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explained well before.
Happy hacking!
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vil.
That said, I oppose censorship of your messages with all my heart. I
think you should be free to expose all your fear and rage and violence.
Nobody should be the judge for what anybody else has to read from you.
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Resending with the corrected subject line. I am sorry again.
El 2019-11-12 03:54, Daniel Pocock escribió:
> On 12/11/2019 02:03, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote:
>> El 2019-11-07 11:30, Daniel Pocock escribió:
>>> Hi everybody,
>>>
>>> I've had feedback from a few peo
El 2019-11-12 03:54, Daniel Pocock escribió:
> On 12/11/2019 02:03, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote:
>> El 2019-11-07 11:30, Daniel Pocock escribió:
>>> Hi everybody,
>>>
>>> I've had feedback from a few people who value the informative emails on
>>> free softwa
El 2019-11-15 04:21, Daniel Pocock escribió:
> Some people asked for the full email from John Sullivan confirming that
> FSFE has not acted honestly in using the FSF name.
Thank you very much for this document.
I had these doubts about FSFE too. But I do not know for sure about acts
that violate
I am resending my message with the subject corrected.
El 2019-11-06 06:12, The one with the questions escribió:
> https://fsfe.org/about/legal/minutes/minutes-2019-10-12.en.pdf
I am very sorry to have read in this document that a contributor is
discredited just because what he/she says makes
Message ---
On 26/11/2019 16:36, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote:
> El 2019-11-24 08:10, Roland Häder escribió:
>> On 11/24/2019 09:08 AM, Daniel Pocock wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23/11/2019 15:59, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote:
>>>> Why are emails from this lists marked
El 2019-11-26 17:26, Roland Häder escribió:
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> * [lists.fsfellowship.eu TXT:v=spf1 mx]
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El 2019-11-18 11:41, The one with the questions escribió:
> Nov 15, 2019, 13:26 by quil...@riseup.net:
>
>> El 2019-11-15 04:21, Daniel Pocock escribió:
>>
>>> Some people asked for the full email from John Sullivan confirming
>>> that
>>>
>>> FSFE has not acted honestly in using the FSF name.
>>
El 2019-11-07 11:30, Daniel Pocock escribió:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I've had feedback from a few people who value the informative emails on
> free software mailing lists but also find it challenging to manage the
> explosive threads.
>
> A few solutions come to mind:
>
> a) creating a fork of this
El 2019-10-10 12:23, Dmitry Alexandrov escribió:
> quil...@riseup.net wrote:
>> In-Reply-To:
>>
>> I think that personal attacks will lead us nowhere.
>
> Sorry, are you sure that you are on the right thread? AFAIR, I did
> not attack anyone there, personally or collectively.
I was not
El 2020-10-28 16:21, Matthew Garrett escribió:
> No, I'm asking if you're asserting that GCHQ has infiltrated Debian.
How can he know? As I see, he is talking about probabilities and
suspicious coincidences. You do not see it that way?
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El 2020-10-28 16:32, Debian Community News Team escribió:
> On 28/10/2020 22:27, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote:
>> El 2020-10-28 16:21, Matthew Garrett escribió:
>>> No, I'm asking if you're asserting that GCHQ has infiltrated Debian.
>>
>> How can he know? As I see, he
This is the message I sent to RMS.
*
Mensaje Original
Asunto: Re: [Team] FSF's New Executive Director
Fecha: 2022-03-02 11:42
De: Quiliro Ordóñez
Destinatario: t...@fsfla.org
El 2022-03-01 23:45, Richard Stallman escribió:
> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my em
El 2022-03-06 01:10, netcitizen escribió:
>> On Friday, 4. March 2022 20:12, Quiliro Ordóñez [1] wrote:
>>
>> This is the message I sent to RMS.
>>
>> *
> I want to think you got explicit permission to post those messages
> here.
No. I did not.
El 2022-03-07 14:32, Daniel Pocock escribió:
> On 06/03/2022 07:10, netcitizen wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Friday, 4. March 2022 20:12, Quiliro Ordóñez wrote:
>>
>> This is the message I sent to RMS.
>>
>> *
>>
>> I want to thin
El 2022-03-07 17:28, faifl...@danwin1210.de escribió:
> With this, he basically painted himself into a corner where the distro
> design itself could be weaponised against freedom and he wouldn't comment.
> A bit unfortunate to set the goals of the Chief GNUisance to something so
> lax.
>
> If
El 2022-03-08 11:23, Danny Spitzberg escribió:
> It sounds like you need a outlet for your opinions. Consider a
> presentation at LibrePlanet!
If it is accepted, I will make a 5 minute presentation. I do think that
this issue has to have a stake at libreplanet. They have 2 choices:
allow a
El 2022-02-28 16:05, netcitizen escribió:
> Stallman is conspicuous by his absence in this schedule
>
> https://libreplanet.org/2022/speakers/
>
> And his supporters --assuming he has any left-- conspicuously absent
> in public discussion
>
>
El 2022-02-24 14:43, faifl...@danwin1210.de escribió:
> The people within the FSF are hastily rewriting what happened to be not
> about tearing a man down with lies, but BEING NICE. As if this is all
> about being nice!
>
> It's about corporate overthrow-- it was in 1998, it was in 2014, it was
El 2022-02-23 09:44, Daniel Pocock escribió:
> The censorship of certain blogs from Planet Fedora and censorship of
> certain developers on mailing lists
Censorship would also be a good reason for me not supporting them. But
I have not investigated that case.
Thank you for your take on this issue, Michael.
El 2022-02-23 10:49, Dr. Michael Stehmann escribió:
> Hello,
>
> the freedom no. 0 is to use software for any purpose.
>
> If you want to use software on a special computer model, you might
> need non-free firmware. That is bad enough.
>
> It
El 2022-02-23 13:10, Dr. Michael Stehmann escribió:
> Hello,
>
> Am 23.02.22 um 17:19 schrieb Quiliro Ordóñez:
>
>> The choice for the user is to dump either the nonfree software or to
>> dump the hardware. The later choice is the best one because the user
>> will
I think that RMS is not suppressed or censored. I think that he has
been convinced by those who control GNU and FSF that they do the right
things because they are smart to manipulate the more powerful and to
stamp over those that are less powerful than they are by using
censorship and
El 2022-03-01 12:55, faifl...@danwin1210.de escribió:
>> I have just asked Richard directly. Otherwise, it is just gossip.
>
> That's definitely the best option.
>
> We don't always have more than that. I happen to think Dora's word at
> least is more than "just gossip", but I detected (or
El 2022-03-01 13:22, netcitizen escribió:
>> Quiliro Ordóñez [1] wrote:
>>
>> I have just asked Richard directly.
>
> What do you expect him to respond? Something in the lines of, "It's
> OK, I don't want to speak at LP"? Or maybe, "It's OK, I don't need
I have just asked Richard directly. Otherwise, it is just gossip.
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outside mailing list can do. We need something inside LibrePlanet.
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It is much better to hear the truth in a harsh manner than to hear lies
in a soothing way. If I would be more comfortable with lies that
sensually manipulate, then it would be better for me to get help in
order to thicken my skin; a support network. Perhaps it is necessary to
have someone
I am not a member of libreplanet.org lists because I have removed myself
from places where there is censorship. Even if they want to call it
moderation, it is still suppression of speech. Nevertheless, if there
is an uncensored mailing list at libreplanet.org, I would definitely
subscribe.
El 2022-03-02 17:25, netcitizen escribió:
>> On Wednesday, 2. March 2022 20:41, Quiliro Ordóñez [1] wrote:
>>
>> I am not a member of libreplanet.org lists because I have removed
>> myself
>> from places where there is censorship. Even if they want to call it
>>
ably true. Though I still think the idea that Quiliro demands flowers
> is a straw man of his actual position. And while you can insult him here
> (no one will likely stop you) it's still better to respond to what he
> actually said, rather than making it up.
This is the way you do not need to cen
El 2022-02-23 18:13, faifl...@danwin1210.de escribió:
>> Oh, you want to educate the user to use his/hers freedom in a proper way.
>
>> That's interesting!
>
>
> Freedom has typically moved forward more quickly with advocacy and
> education (to the benefit of the free) than without. This
El 2022-02-23 21:49, Danny Spitzberg escribió:
> You realize I didn’t write that article, yes?
>
> Maybe give it a read in-full first, and then consider its main point:
> effective base building and movement organizing is difficult given the
> tendencies in FSF and LibrePlanet and elsewhere that
El 2022-02-23 23:04, faifl...@danwin1210.de escribió:
> But it's common for people to automatically sympathise with the side
> that's winning. There's a really great Bob Dylan song about that. Best
> song he ever wrote.
Which one?
> The FSF, and I'm never shy to say this, gets copyright reform
El 2022-02-23 23:17, faifl...@danwin1210.de escribió:
> And by the way... if the problem is gatekeeping, then corporate monopolies
> (the sort that invariably favour Open over Free, in rhetoric, press and
> funding) are the largest-scale gatekeepers the world has ever known.
>
> Have a conference
Well, since Richard is a stronghold for freedom, we are relatively save
while he maintains it. Nevertheless, he should realize that he is not
eternal. People who do value freedom should be in charge of the FSF.
Most people I know who call themselves freedom activists promote freedom
but do not
El 2022-02-22 09:03, Daniel Pocock escribió:
> Please see my blog about the attack
>
> https://danielpocock.com/wemakefedora-and-ukraine-under-attack/
Thank you for the information. I read your post.
I don't support Fedora because it is not a free distro.
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