I'm +1 on adding a string truncation filter.
I've yet to see a good reason not to, and there have been countless
times I've needed it on real-world projects. As someone who has used
the Django template language perhaps more extensively than anyone else
out there, and as someone who has written boo
With MultiDB, it's now essential that custom model save methods accept
the "using" keyword argument. However, the docs explicitly suggest a
signature like:
def save(self, force_insert=False, force_update=False):
(You can see this here, for example:
http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/db/m
> Are you sending from other email addresses? I only see a few
> occurrences of j...@jeffcroft.com on django-dev, and I haven't seen
> you get destroyed. :-/ Sucks that you feel that way.
The destruction tends to come via Twitter. :)
I was half-joking, it's not a big dea
Hey guys-
I've been using Django 1.2's new messages framework a lot lately, and
it's awesome. but, i think I may have discovered a bug (or possibly
I'm doing something wrong, but if so, I sure as hell can't figure out
what it is). It seems to me the messages are never delivered to the
user when th
After a little more playing around, I've discovered that this is not
an issue if I use the session storage -- so it seems to be related to
cookie storage.
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for me, but there definitely seems to be something wrong in the cookie
storage backend.
Jeff
On Jan 21, 9:07 pm, Sean Brant wrote:
> I wonder if this is
> related?http://groups.google.com/group/django-developers/browse_thread/thread...
>
> On Jan 21, 2010, at 10:55 P
I just want to say that everything you guys are talking about is so
totally over my head, but I'm stoked you're working it out. Thanks,
guys. :)
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All due respect to Wilson (he's a great designer, a good friend, and
he and I have talked on several occasions about the Django admin
interface), I have to agree that the Django admin interface is dated
and has some UI issues that could use work. I can also confirm that
Wilson himself says this, an
As one of many talented and respected designers in the Django
community, and also as a good friend of Wilson Miner, I'd like to say
for the record that the attitude I've seen from the core devs about an
admin redesign/overhaul is incredibly frustrating. Whenever someone
proposes redesigning the adm
Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Russell Keith-Magee
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> > On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 5:37 PM, j...@jeffcroft.com
> > wrote:
> >> All due respect to Wilson (he's a great designer, a good friend, and
> >> he and I have talked on several
t" feels like you think it's a commodity. This is a serious
project for serious designers, not a g'damn reality TV show.
Jeff
On Feb 5, 10:20 pm, Alex Gaynor wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 1:02 AM, Russell Keith-Magee
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> None of Django's core developers are designers, nor can they necessarily
> execute someone else's creative vision.
I will not participate in any sort of "contest" because it devalues
design, and I think you'll find that most serious designers will say
the same thing. Good design is not a commod
Let me also just say, on the topic of Grapelli: I think Grapelli is a
really great re-skinning of the current admin interface, with a few
IxD improvements. It's really nicely done, and in my opinion is a
significant improvement over what we have now.
But If I ever were to put together a proposal f
> That feeling is unfortunately, however I also don't know where it
> comes from. It seems to me the "It's Wilson's admin" thought process
> comes from the fact that no one else has volunteered/started to
> workon/proposed a new interface a new one, and apparently this is
> because of the percepti
Nice, James. Thanks!
On Feb 5, 10:30 pm, James Bennett wrote:
> Tonight we've released Django 1.2 beta 1:
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> * Blog entry:http://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2010/feb/06/12-beta-1/
> * Release notes:http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/releases/1.2-beta-1/
> * Checksums:http://media.djangoprojec
Awesome. Thanks, Alex!
On Feb 6, 11:08 am, Alex Gaynor wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 2:02 PM, j...@jeffcroft.com wrote:
> > Let me also just say, on the topic of Grapelli: I think Grapelli is a
> > really great re-skinning of the current admin interface, with a few
> > I
> 1. I'm not in favor of redesigns for redesigns' sake; yes, the current
> admin UI has been around for a while, but if we rework it, we
> should rework it because there are actual issues with it which need
> to be resolved. A good first step would be to identify any such
> issues and
First off, I'm generally on board with everything you've said here.
Only three points/questions I'd like to make:
1. I wouldn't say "Wilson is out of the picture" without talking to
him first. I know he's a busy man and my impression is that he doesn't
have time for this right now, but I'm certain
I have trouble finding my stance on this one. In some respects, I want
design to be treated like everything else in Django. But I also know,
from experience, that design-by-commitee is almost never good design.
This, in my opinion, is why visual and interaction design has never
been a strength of o
> I'm opposed to this. Firstly, unless I've missed something whoever
gets the position, would definitionally get it before they've done
anything!
To respond to just this bit: you're right, but the reason whoever gets
this position has done nothing to date is that they weren't "allowed"
to. Wilson
Dammit. I wrote that last night, it didn't post, and I rewrote it
today. And now both show up. Great. Sorry about that.
On Feb 5, 2:40 pm, "j...@jeffcroft.com" wrote:
> As one of many talented and respected designers in the Django
> community, and also as a good friend of W
Several responses:
> First off, there are designers who have contributed great amounts of
> stuff to the Django community. Nathan Borror has his Basic Apps (which
> interestingly is a designer contributing code, because that's what he
> can contribute easily).
Exactly. Christian Metts comes to mi
> I seem to have inadvertently kicked over an ants nest here.
>
> I promise that the competition proposal wasn't intended to offend or
> devalue the efforts of anyone in the design community. If I have done
> so, I apologize. Please believe that what I wrote as an honest attempt
> to find a way to
This post is flawed because it artificially separates accessibility
from design, and it treats design as if it only has to do with
aesthetics. Design encapsulates accessibility, and and good
interaction designer will put accessibility high on his/her list of
priorities.
On Feb 7, 10:34 am, h3 wro
> You are indeed, but the admin UI is still the center of it. (As for
> the django website -- I would argue that's really a different matter
> than developing django itself, and seems to deserve a separate
> discussion.)
Well, our current "design czar" (Wilson) was tasked with the
responsibility
issues involved.
>
> On Feb 7, 1:37 pm, jsmullyan wrote:
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> > On Feb 7, 12:52 pm, "j...@jeffcroft.com" wrote:
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> > > Also, I'll say again: this discussion shouldn't really just be able
> > > the admin interface -- it should be more b
You're right, Idan. Sorry if I steered it off-track! I sent Wilson a
message asking him to check out this thread.
> What we haven't yet come to a consensus on how to bootstrap a
> design czar/team if Wilson is out. I'll be pleasantly surprised if he
> indicates his availability, but assuming that
I agree with you completely, Russ, and I have reason to believe
someone worthy will be at the helm. Stay tuned. :)
On Feb 7, 6:49 pm, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:25 AM, Idan Gazit wrote:
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> > On Feb 7, 11:58 pm, "j...@jeffcroft.com" wrote:
&
Thanks for the nod, Tai. I'd have to put some consideration into
whether or not I wanted to accept the responsibility if it were
offered to me, but I certainly appreciate the "nomination!" :)
Just to quickly respond to this:
> But what's stopping people from re-designing the admin outside of
> dj
So, unless anyone disagrees with the idea that Wilson should have
first dibs on this position, it sounds like we have ourselves a Design
Czar. Or whatever you want to call it. Woot!
On Feb 7, 10:13 pm, Wilson wrote:
> I just discovered this thread today while I was on my way out of town
> so I ha
Wait, does this mean we can't change designs just to wash the Wilson
out of them? :)
On Feb 8, 7:05 am, Russell Keith-Magee wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 2:34 PM, j...@jeffcroft.com wrote:
> > So, unless anyone disagrees with the idea that Wilson should have
> > first d
I do totally agree with Idan that often times designers needs don't
have anything to do with design itself, and that designers may want to
contribute by telling us how the parts of the framework they touch
could be changed to make their lives easier.
One way I think design proposals/tickets need t
Unfortunately, unless the person filing the
> request/ticket makes it clear that their request isn't something they
> can personally fulfill, it's hard to tell the difference between a
> person being lazy (i.e. wishing for a pony) and a person asking for
> assistance (i.e. a designer asking for a s
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