Re: Wherein Benjamin Franklin answers questions pertaining to the Django development process

I think I can play this: Q: Why is so much valuable time wasted on insulting other people, instead of making money? A: "We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." Q: Why do folks turn away constructive criticism with a sarcastic snicker? A: "None but the well-bred man

Re: Wherein Benjamin Franklin answers questions pertaining to the Django development process

Since you have a PhD in computer science and you're seven years older than me, and you work for me, for free, while I have exactly zero computer science credits (or anything related), I think "the internets" award goes to you. On Apr 19, 8:23 pm, Russell Keith-Magee

Re: Wherein Benjamin Franklin answers questions pertaining to the Django development process

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 9:20 AM, orokusaki wrote: > Q: Why do folks turn away constructive criticism with a sarcastic > snicker? > A: "None but the well-bred man know how to confess a fault, or > acknowledge himself in an error." Careful there, some devs might

Re: Wherein Benjamin Franklin answers questions pertaining to the Django development process

Umpires? Strike three off a curveball? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers" group. To post to this group, send email to django-develop...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to

Re: Wherein Benjamin Franklin answers questions pertaining to the Django development process

On Apr 20, 10:38 am, Andrew Badr wrote: > Umpires? Strike three off a curveball? +1, though I'd quoted big bang theory, no need for a umpire, bdfl should be more than enough! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Django developers"

Re: Process discussion: reboot

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 8:19 AM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote: > Hi folks -- > > I'd like to try to reboot the discussion that's been going on about > Django's development process. > > I'm finding the current thread incredibly demoralizing: there's a > bunch of frustration being

Re: Process discussion: reboot

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Giuseppe Ciotta wrote: > Having an additional field{s} in the ticket, only accessible to core > developers, where they would put the "official" (as in: approved by a > core developer) triage status of the ticket, could improve the > efficency of

Re: Process discussion: reboot

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote: > On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Giuseppe Ciotta wrote: >> Having an additional field{s} in the ticket, only accessible to core >> developers, where they would put the "official" (as in: approved

Re: Process discussion: reboot

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Gabriel Hurley wrote: > When I finally did submit my first patch, I was terrified of getting > it wrong and having it rejected. I'd seen it happen on other tickets. > It wasn't until I got *more involved* and started keeping up with the > trac

Re: Process discussion: reboot

What could be very helpful here is some education for would-be Django developers. The tutorial format has worked so well for educating new Django users, why not apply it also to Django developers also? After the 1.2 release, why don't we come up with a Django developers tutorial that walks us

Re: Process discussion: reboot

+1 to Stephen Crosbys' proposal, although I think this would be a bit difficult to perform as the Framework evolves and the documentation on this would be a bit outdated as time goes on (And have to yet again maintain another Document to keep up to date). It it still none the less a good idea in

Re: Process discussion: reboot

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Bmheight wrote: > +1 to Stephen Crosbys' proposal, although I think this would be a bit > difficult to perform as the Framework evolves and the documentation on this > would be a bit outdated as time goes on (And have to yet again maintain >

Re: Low-Hanging Fruit

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 7:52 PM, Russell Keith-Magee wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Don Guernsey wrote: >> How do I sign up to help? Is there an overall schematic for how django >> works? > > There's no official signup process; just dig

Re: Process discussion: reboot

On Tuesday 20 April 2010 16:43:25 Alex Gaynor wrote: > In general I don't think that the fields on tickets are nearly as > liable to being inaccurate as people are making it sound. That > said marking users who are committers or triagers or what not > probably wouldn't hurt. Since our

Re: Process discussion: reboot

Also a +1 from me on the proposal for a tutorial for contributing and how to get into the process of using Django's trac. I also tried to get into triaging tickets a few times but I was very unsure in most cases how to handle the status of the tickets, how to decide what needs to be done or if

Running doc tests in Django's test suite

I am trying to run some doc tests, but can't figure out how. Specifically I would like to run the doc tests in regressiontests/ forms/widgets.py. Running "./runtests.py --settings=test_sqlite forms" from the tests directory it runs the unit tests (changing them results in failures) but not the

Re: Running doc tests in Django's test suite

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Anssi Kaariainen wrote: > I am trying to run some doc tests, but can't figure out how. > Specifically I would like to run the doc tests in regressiontests/ > forms/widgets.py. > > Running "./runtests.py --settings=test_sqlite forms" from the

Re: Process discussion: reboot

Hi all, On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 8:34 AM, Gabriel Hurley wrote: > When I finally did submit my first patch, I was terrified of getting > it wrong and having it rejected. I'd seen it happen on other tickets. > As a project, I'm sure we don't want any (even potential)

Re: Running doc tests in Django's test suite

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:54 PM, Karen Tracey wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Anssi Kaariainen > wrote: >> >> I am trying to run some doc tests, but can't figure out how. >> Specifically I would like to run the doc tests in regressiontests/ >>

Re: Running doc tests in Django's test suite

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote: > > Do you have any idea how that caused the fail, it should be completely > innocuous? > > I'm guessing it's got something to do with the ... at the beginning of the line making it appear to be a shell continuation line,

Re: Running doc tests in Django's test suite

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Karen Tracey wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 5:03 PM, Alex Gaynor wrote: >> >> Do you have any idea how that caused the fail, it should be completely >> innocuous? >> > > I'm guessing it's got something to do with the

Re: Process discussion: reboot

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Robert Coup wrote: > Idea #1: > When a ticket is currently closed Trac sends you an email saying > "status:closed resolution:wontfix" and whatever comment is made by the > person who closed it. > How about a plugin for Trac that

Re: Process discussion: reboot

+1 I would also be willing to contribute some time in developing this Wiki page, editing, etc. On Tue, 20 Apr 2010, Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote: On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 3:53 PM, Robert Coup wrote: Idea #1: When a ticket is currently closed Trac sends you an

Re: Process discussion: reboot

On Mon, Apr 19, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote: ... > So: here's your chance. You have suggestions about Django's > development process? Make them. I'm listening. I have a perception that there are some phases of the ticket lifecycle where things get stuck -- I

Re: Process discussion: reboot

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote: > I like this a lot. Especially the "your next steps" part - it makes it > very obvious what the next thing interested parties should do is. > > Could you start a wiki page with this stuff? Until we figure out how > to

Cujo .... an experimental branch of django.

Cujo... for starters it's Amon Tobin's first moniker (he remixes jazz into some delightful tunes, if you don't know of him I strongly recommend you go to your local record store and pick up a copy of "Adventures in Foam"). Also, I felt it was somewhat apt due to the rabid nature of the

Re: Process discussion: reboot

On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Robert Coup wrote: > Tada... http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/TicketChangeHelp > > Most of it is empty - please help fill it in! This is an awesome start - thanks! I'll try to help fill stuff in and edit for tone/style as I can.

Re: Process discussion: reboot

That's awesome. I'll definitely add to that when I have some time tonight. On Apr 20, 2:49 pm, Robert Coup wrote: > On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 9:12 AM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote: > > I like this a lot. Especially the "your next steps" part - it

Re: Process discussion: reboot

That sounds like a great idea! Even having been at this for a few months I'd watch it just to see how somebody else handles things. On Apr 20, 10:55 am, Alex Gaynor wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Bmheight wrote: > > +1 to Stephen Crosbys'

Re: Process discussion: reboot

I just built something in a similar vein as this for my team's internal use. Amusingly, I used Django's inspectdb feature to directly interface with Redmine's database and provide a separate front-end. The data feeds into a javascript graphing library. The ability to visualize languishing issues,

Re: Process discussion: reboot

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:49 PM, Robert Coup > wrote: > >> I can write you a trac extension/patch - just didn't want to spend the >> time on it if nobody was keen. May be as simple as

Re: Process discussion: reboot

... And it seems like i'm reiterating the discussion about http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/TicketChangeHelp I'm advocating for the friendly text in the ticket page itself, as I'm not sure that was specifically mentioned in the related part of this thread (but probably implied) On Apr 21,

Re: Process discussion: reboot

This sounds like a great idea to me. +1 for me. I've a been a bit reluctant to up my participation for a variety of reasons, but kind of knowing how best to proceed is one of the large ones. Thanks, Paul On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Stephen Crosby wrote: > What

Re: Process discussion: reboot

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 10:18 AM, SmileyChris wrote: > ... And it seems like i'm reiterating the discussion about > http://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/TicketChangeHelp > > I'm advocating for the friendly text in the ticket page itself, as I'm > not sure that was

Re: Cujo .... an experimental branch of django.

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 6:01 AM, Kevin Howerton wrote: > Cujo... for starters it's Amon Tobin's first moniker (he remixes jazz > into some delightful tunes, if you don't know of him I strongly > recommend you go to your local record store and pick up a copy of >

Re: Process discussion: reboot

Thanks for the advice. Trying to make a contribution is why I'm here. That's why I worry about version control systems. Last time I tried to contribute to an open source project via a "semi-official mirror" (this one actually run by a core developer) it did not work and I ended up having to