Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-17 Thread info at smallinnovations dot nl
On 17-10-18 15:14, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Why doesn't Devuan edit sysvinit to use systemd's unit files instead > of scripts? That would bypass the entire problem. Those who want to > stick to scripts can always direct sysvinit to use scripts instead. An > edit/patch would aim to make sysvinit

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-17 Thread Martin Steigerwald
KatolaZ - 17.10.18, 16:58: > process supervision and management system. Which is probably 90% of > the reason why systemd needed to fagocitate the whole low-level > user-space (please remember that the only way to reliably know that a > process is dead under unix is to be the parent of that

Re: [DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?

2018-10-17 Thread info at smallinnovations dot nl
On 17-10-18 13:19, Miroslav Skoric wrote: > Hi all, > > I recently installed Devuan Jessie on a computer for presentations via > large TV. And that machine is also directly wired in a small LAN to > another box that runs some old Ubuntu (probably 12.04 or so, it is > also just to tell the audience

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-17 Thread Daniel Taylor
On 10/17/18 9:58 AM, KatolaZ wrote: On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 09:30:50AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: [cut] c) where and how would you draw the line indicating what's unacceptable about systemd - in other words, what exactly do you mean by "the Unix paradigm" in your comment above? Split out

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-17 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 09:30:50AM -0500, Daniel Taylor wrote: [cut] > > c) where and how would you draw the line indicating what's unacceptable > > about > > systemd - in other words, what exactly do you mean by "the Unix paradigm" in > > your comment above? > Split out the PID 1 stuff to just

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-17 Thread Daniel Taylor
On 10/17/18 9:08 AM, Antony Stone wrote: On Wednesday 17 October 2018 at 15:54:11, Daniel Taylor wrote: I am becoming convinced that the proper course of attack is to reimplement all the systemd functions in the Unix paradigm. a) I seriously doubt that that is possible, without effectively

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-17 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 17 October 2018 at 15:54:11, Daniel Taylor wrote: > I am becoming convinced that the proper course of attack is to reimplement > all the systemd functions in the Unix paradigm. a) I seriously doubt that that is possible, without effectively just re-writing systemd b) systemd's

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-17 Thread Daniel Taylor
On 10/17/18 8:14 AM, Edward Bartolo wrote: Why doesn't Devuan edit sysvinit to use systemd's unit files instead of scripts? That would bypass the entire problem. Those who want to stick to scripts can always direct sysvinit to use scripts instead. An edit/patch would aim to make sysvinit

Re: [DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?

2018-10-17 Thread terryc
On Wed, 17 Oct 2018 13:19:33 +0200 Miroslav Skoric wrote: > Hi all, > > I recently installed Devuan Jessie on a computer for presentations > via large TV. And that machine is also directly wired in a small LAN > to another box that runs some old Ubuntu (probably 12.04 or so, it is > also just

[DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

2018-10-17 Thread Edward Bartolo
Why doesn't Devuan edit sysvinit to use systemd's unit files instead of scripts? That would bypass the entire problem. Those who want to stick to scripts can always direct sysvinit to use scripts instead. An edit/patch would aim to make sysvinit recognise unit files and run scripts when instructed

[DNG] Devuan + remote desktop of Ubuntu = how?

2018-10-17 Thread Miroslav Skoric
Hi all, I recently installed Devuan Jessie on a computer for presentations via large TV. And that machine is also directly wired in a small LAN to another box that runs some old Ubuntu (probably 12.04 or so, it is also just to tell the audience what Linux is about). Machines can ping each

Re: [DNG] Devuan security-tracker update

2018-09-29 Thread KatolaZ
On Wed, Sep 26, 2018 at 03:56:23PM +0100, leloft wrote: > Hi, > I am still working towards a Devuanized security-tracker but I have come > up against a problem which is blocking further development. One section > of the process involves nested loops to update the database with current > packages

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII Live USB security issue

2018-09-27 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 27/09/18 08:28, fsmithred wrote: > On 09/26/2018 01:03 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: Add the following > to the boot command: noautologin nocomponents=sudo Perfect, that takes care of my most immediate concerns. > There aren't any daily

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII Live USB security issue

2018-09-27 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, On 27/09/18 06:01, Jaromil wrote: > On Thu, 27 Sep 2018, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > >> I've been using a live USB of Devuan with XFCE, I boot it to RAM >> and then setup my temporary environment from a different LUKS >> encrypted USB. > > have

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII Live USB security issue

2018-09-26 Thread fsmithred
On 09/26/2018 01:03 PM, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > > Adding to this problem is the fact that the "devuan" user has, by > default, full SUDO rights without needing any password as well; the > latter is probably easily fixed with an adjusted sudoers file, but the > auto-login is a major security

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII Live USB security issue

2018-09-26 Thread Jaromil
dear Andrew, On Thu, 27 Sep 2018, Andrew McGlashan wrote: > I've been using a live USB of Devuan with XFCE, I boot it to RAM and > then setup my temporary environment from a different LUKS encrypted USB. have you tried https://heads.dyne.org? is a Devuan derivative based on Beowulf (current

[DNG] Devuan ASCII Live USB security issue

2018-09-26 Thread Andrew McGlashan
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, I've been using a live USB of Devuan with XFCE, I boot it to RAM and then setup my temporary environment from a different LUKS encrypted USB. This allows me to keep my data secure and the setup as simple as possible without actually

[DNG] Devuan security-tracker update

2018-09-26 Thread leloft
Hi, I am still working towards a Devuanized security-tracker but I have come up against a problem which is blocking further development. One section of the process involves nested loops to update the database with current packages in the devuan repos. However, some of the architectures do not

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi 2

2018-09-16 Thread J. Fahrner
I found a way that seems ok: I installed Raspbian Stretch and migrated it to Devuan Ascii. The package raspberrypi-kernel is in "http://archive.raspberrypi.org/debian/ stretch main", so i left this in my sources list, but pinned it with priority 200, so no other packages are installed by

[DNG] Devuan on Raspberry Pi 2

2018-09-16 Thread J. Fahrner
Hi, I dd'ed devuan_ascii_2.0.0_armhf_raspi2.img on sd card for my Raspberry Pi 2 model B, but it does not boot. No action, black screen. Are here any experiences with that model? In the past I installed Raspbian Jessie and migrated that to Devuan, but this no longer works because they

[DNG] Devuan Package Mirror network -- status and developments

2018-09-14 Thread KatolaZ
Dear D1rs, this is an update on the status of the Devuan package mirror network, that we have put in place during the last year. TL;DR: (1) the Devuan package mirror network is functioning well and growing; (2) we need mirrors in North-America, Asia, and Australia/New Zealand; The long

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-27 Thread Jaromil
dear Greg, On Mon, 27 Aug 2018, fsmithred wrote: > On 08/25/2018 06:07 AM, Jaromil wrote: > > I suspect the best solution here is to release a new Devuan 8.1 > > "Jessie", we discussed it sometimes in the past evaluating the impact > > of the keyring update. > > I'm ready for a point release.

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-27 Thread fsmithred
On 08/25/2018 06:07 AM, Jaromil wrote: > I suspect the best solution here is to release a new Devuan 8.1 > "Jessie", we discussed it sometimes in the past evaluating the impact > of the keyring update. I'm ready for a point release. I made a devuan_jessie_1.1_amd64_desktop-live.iso yesterday, and

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-26 Thread Daniel Reurich
Hi Katolaz, I fixed the incorrect suite for amprolla on packages.do This week I'll look into whats needed to get a 1.1 release out the door. Regards, Daniel On 26/08/18 04:34, KatolaZ wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 12:07:14PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > [cut] > >> >> still same

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-25 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 25 Aug 2018 12:07:14 +0200, Jaromil wrote in message <20180825100714.ceyx45nauxzrs26p@reflex>: > still same result: > > wget -q http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/ascii/Release -O - | > grep -E '^(Suite|Codename|Architectures):' Suite: testing > Codename: ascii > Architectures:

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-25 Thread KatolaZ
On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 12:07:14PM +0200, Jaromil wrote: [cut] > > still same result: > > wget -q http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/ascii/Release -O - | grep -E > '^(Suite|Codename|Architectures):' > Suite: testing > Codename: ascii > Architectures: alpha amd64 arm64 armel armhf hppa

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-25 Thread Jaromil
On Fri, 24 Aug 2018, goli...@dyne.org wrote: > On 2018-08-24 20:51, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > >   Errors documented by the console log from the other attempts have the > > same error message: > > > > Aug 24 01:54:57 choose-mirror[31759]: DEBUG: command: wget -q > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-24 Thread golinux
On 2018-08-24 20:51, Alessandro Selli wrote:   Errors documented by the console log from the other attempts have the same error message: Aug 24 01:54:57 choose-mirror[31759]: DEBUG: command: wget -q http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/stable/Release -O - | grep -E

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-24 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 25/08/2018 at 03:51, Alessandro Selli wrote: [...] >   Errors documented by the console log from the other attempts have the > same error message: > > > Aug 24 01:54:57 choose-mirror[31759]: DEBUG: command: wget -q > http://us.mirror.devuan.org/merged/dists/stable/Release -O - | grep -E >

[DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-24 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 25/08/2018 at 03:27, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 25/08/2018 at 02:45, Alessandro Selli wrote: >> On 24/08/2018 at 21:27, Jaromil wrote: >>> dear Arnt, >>> >>> On Fri, 24 Aug 2018, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >>> ..why Devuan 1.0 when you can have Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable release?

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-24 Thread golinux
On 2018-08-24 20:22, Gastón wrote:   Next he chose us.mirror.devuan.org as the package manager mirror (the other choice being auto.mirror.devuan.org) and the error windows shows up with: ## # Bad archive mirror # An error has been

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-24 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 25/08/2018 at 02:45, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 24/08/2018 at 21:27, Jaromil wrote: >> dear Arnt, >> >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2018, Arnt Karlsen wrote: >> >>> ..why Devuan 1.0 when you can have Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable release? >>> https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818 >>>

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-24 Thread Gastón
On Sat, Aug 25, 2018 at 02:45:29AM +0200, Alessandro Selli wrote: > On 24/08/2018 at 21:27, Jaromil wrote: > > dear Arnt, > > > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2018, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > >> ..why Devuan 1.0 when you can have Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable release? > >>

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-24 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 24/08/2018 at 21:27, Jaromil wrote: > dear Arnt, > > On Fri, 24 Aug 2018, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > >> ..why Devuan 1.0 when you can have Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable release? >> https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818 >> which _may_ solve your problem. > I doubt we can say

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-24 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 09:42:55AM +0200, KatolaZ wrote: > More information about this issue, and a log of the installation would > be very useful to try to solve the problem. If what Gaston provided isn't enough, I'll try to spin up a VirtualBox guest, and provide an installation log by next

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-24 Thread Jaromil
dear Arnt, On Fri, 24 Aug 2018, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > ..why Devuan 1.0 when you can have Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable release? > https://devuan.org/os/debian-fork/ascii-stable-announce-060818 > which _may_ solve your problem. I doubt we can say "just use ASCII" as an answer to this problem, since

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-24 Thread Gastón
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 09:42:55AM +0200, KatolaZ wrote: > On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 07:15:19PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 12:47:44AM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > > > On Friday 24 August 2018 at 00:30:01, David Hoff Jr wrote: > > > > > > > I am trying to install Devuan

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-24 Thread KatolaZ
On Thu, Aug 23, 2018 at 07:15:19PM -0700, Gregory Nowak wrote: > On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 12:47:44AM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > > On Friday 24 August 2018 at 00:30:01, David Hoff Jr wrote: > > > > > I am trying to install Devuan 1.0 32 bit with the net install ISO. The > > > install goes fine

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-23 Thread Gregory Nowak
On Fri, Aug 24, 2018 at 12:47:44AM +0200, Antony Stone wrote: > On Friday 24 August 2018 at 00:30:01, David Hoff Jr wrote: > > > I am trying to install Devuan 1.0 32 bit with the net install ISO. The > > install goes fine until I reach the option to choose a repository. > > There are 3 options

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-23 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 00:47:44 +0200, Antony wrote in message <201808240047.44695.antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it>: > On Friday 24 August 2018 at 00:30:01, David Hoff Jr wrote: > > > I am trying to install Devuan 1.0 32 bit with the net install ISO. ..why Devuan 1.0 when you can have Devuan

Re: [DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-23 Thread Antony Stone
On Friday 24 August 2018 at 00:30:01, David Hoff Jr wrote: > I am trying to install Devuan 1.0 32 bit with the net install ISO. The > install goes fine until I reach the option to choose a repository. > There are 3 options and they all cause an installation failure. Can you be more specific

[DNG] Devuan 1.0 Installation Problem

2018-08-23 Thread David Hoff Jr
I am trying to install Devuan 1.0 32 bit with the net install ISO. The install goes fine until I reach the option to choose a repository. There are 3 options and they all cause an installation failure. I want 1.0 rather than 2.0 since I am installing a CLI only installation and my screen

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

2018-08-23 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 01:46:14PM -0700, Bruce Perens wrote: > I put Devuan on my usual travel laptop, a Panasonic FZ-G1 fully-rugged > tablet with an iKey fully-rugged rubber keyboard with hinge which makes it > a laptop. This is specified to survive hose water from any angle and stand >

Re: [DNG] Devuan and the raspberry pi 3+

2018-08-22 Thread Jim Jackson
On Wed, 22 Aug 2018, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 08/21/2018 11:24 PM, Jim Jackson wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Lars Noodén wrote: > >> I used devuan_ascii_2.0.0_arm64_raspi3 from the embedded sets running > >> on the 3B+ > >> You do have to resize the root partition manually if you do not use >

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

2018-08-22 Thread Jaromil
dear Bruce, thanks for hinting about alsactl, I suspect checking the dependencies of this package may make the life easier to a number of people installing Devuan without using the desktop task. On Tue, 21 Aug 2018, Bruce Perens wrote: >And the solution is: run alsactl init. >Does any

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

2018-08-22 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:02:09 -0700 Bruce Perens wrote: > And the solution is: run alsactl init. I sure wish you'd told me about alsactl init 15 years ago, Bruce. Restoring to a known-good situation is priceless in troubleshooting. Thanks for telling me about it today. SteveT Steve Litt

Re: [DNG] Devuan and the raspberry pi 3+

2018-08-21 Thread Lars Noodén
On 08/21/2018 11:24 PM, Jim Jackson wrote: > On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Lars Noodén wrote: > >> On 8/20/18, Jim Jackson wrote: >>> There are images of Devuan ASCII for the Raspberry Pi 3. Anyone know if >>> these are ok for the 3+? Or would I need to run the image on a model 3 and >>> update the

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

2018-08-21 Thread Bruce Perens
And the solution is: run alsactl init. Does any package install script try to run it? Thanks Bruce On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 3:39 PM, Joel Roth wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > > By the way, I recently found a program called qasmixer which I like > > better than alsamixer for dealing with

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

2018-08-21 Thread Joel Roth
Steve Litt wrote: > By the way, I recently found a program called qasmixer which I like > better than alsamixer for dealing with sound. I tried qastool, which looks and works great. The other qastools, qashctl and qasconfig make it easy to navigate through other sound-related settings. --

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

2018-08-21 Thread Bruce Perens
On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Antony Stone wrote: > On Tuesday 21 August 2018 at 22:46:14, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > I put Devuan > > Which version? > ASCII > > > on my usual travel laptop > > Do, or did, you have any other O/S installed on it? If so, what? > No > > > a Panasonic FZ-G1 > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

2018-08-21 Thread Joel Roth
Bruce Perens wrote: > I put Devuan on my usual travel laptop, a Panasonic FZ-G1 fully-rugged > tablet with an iKey fully-rugged rubber keyboard with hinge which makes it > a laptop. This is specified to survive hose water from any angle and stand > significant abuse, and in general to not crap out

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

2018-08-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 13:46:14 -0700 Bruce Perens wrote: > I put Devuan on my usual travel laptop, a Panasonic FZ-G1 fully-rugged > tablet with an iKey fully-rugged rubber keyboard with hinge which > makes it a laptop. This is specified to survive hose water from any > angle and stand significant

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

2018-08-21 Thread Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI
On Tue, 21 Aug 2018 23:07:46 +0200 Antony Stone wrote: > 1. If you have alsamixer installed, see if anything is muted. Or in pavucontrol Cheers, Ron. -- The magic of our first love is our ignorance that it can ever end.

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

2018-08-21 Thread Bruce Perens
Because, Grasshopper, the Vetran Unix Admins practice what they preach and do not allow short-term issues to obscure their long-term goals. Now, say 20 Aves to St. Igntious. :-) On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 2:07 PM, Antony Stone < antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it> wrote: > On Tuesday 21 August 2018

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

2018-08-21 Thread Antony Stone
On Tuesday 21 August 2018 at 22:46:14, Bruce Perens wrote: > I put Devuan Which version? > on my usual travel laptop Do, or did, you have any other O/S installed on it? If so, what? > a Panasonic FZ-G1 What's the sound chip for one of those? > Everything works but the sound. Pulseaudio is

[DNG] Devuan on Panasonic FZ-G1

2018-08-21 Thread Bruce Perens
I put Devuan on my usual travel laptop, a Panasonic FZ-G1 fully-rugged tablet with an iKey fully-rugged rubber keyboard with hinge which makes it a laptop. This is specified to survive hose water from any angle and stand significant abuse, and in general to not crap out a minute before I'm

Re: [DNG] Devuan and the raspberry pi 3+

2018-08-21 Thread Jim Jackson
On Mon, 20 Aug 2018, Lars Noodén wrote: > On 8/20/18, Jim Jackson wrote: > > There are images of Devuan ASCII for the Raspberry Pi 3. Anyone know if > > these are ok for the 3+? Or would I need to run the image on a model 3 and > > update the firmware and kernel before moving to the 3+? > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan and the raspberry pi 3+

2018-08-20 Thread Lars Noodén
On 8/20/18, Jim Jackson wrote: > There are images of Devuan ASCII for the Raspberry Pi 3. Anyone know if > these are ok for the 3+? Or would I need to run the image on a model 3 and > update the firmware and kernel before moving to the 3+? I used devuan_ascii_2.0.0_arm64_raspi3 from the embedded

[DNG] Devuan and the raspberry pi 3+

2018-08-20 Thread Jim Jackson
There are images of Devuan ASCII for the Raspberry Pi 3. Anyone know if these are ok for the 3+? Or would I need to run the image on a model 3 and update the firmware and kernel before moving to the 3+? cheers Jim Jackson ___ Dng mailing list

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Fwd: Maintenance and Development of new Devuan Releases

2018-08-19 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Sat, 18 Aug 2018 09:12:09 +0200, Edward wrote in message : > [RANT; if you hate rants, don't read it] ..an _excellent_ procmail filter suggestion for the intolerant. ;o) -- ..med vennlig hilsen = with Kind Regards from Arnt Karlsen ...with a number of polar bear hunters in his ancestry...

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Fwd: Maintenance and Development of new Devuan Releases

2018-08-19 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 19/08/2018 at 11:29, Edward Bartolo wrote: > Steve Litt wrote: > -- > You know, Ed, you're a nice guy, but your lack of emotional control > makes you a pain in the ass on the mailing list. So for the second > time, I set procmail to send messages I receive from you to /dev/null. >

[DNG] [devuan-dev] Fwd: Maintenance and Development of new Devuan Releases

2018-08-19 Thread Edward Bartolo
Steve Litt wrote: -- You know, Ed, you're a nice guy, but your lack of emotional control makes you a pain in the ass on the mailing list. So for the second time, I set procmail to send messages I receive from you to /dev/null. -- And add also, it is very convenient for

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Fwd: Maintenance and Development of new Devuan Releases

2018-08-18 Thread Steve Litt
On Sat, 18 Aug 2018 09:12:09 +0200 Edward Bartolo wrote: > [RANT; if you hate rants, don't read it] > > Linux is getting exaspirating... It is not definitely the Linux I knew > when I started using it back in 2006-2007. Yeah, I remember Linux 2006-2007. You could spend days getting your wifi

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Fwd: Maintenance and Development of new Devuan Releases

2018-08-18 Thread Joel Roth
Hi, Edward Bartolo wrote: > [RANT; if you hate rants, don't read it] > > Linux is getting exaspirating... It is not definitely the Linux I knew > when I started using it back in 2006-2007. Like Windows, Linux is now > allowing advertising to pass through, with the disadvantage of a > nightmare

[DNG] [devuan-dev] Fwd: Maintenance and Development of new Devuan Releases

2018-08-18 Thread Edward Bartolo
[RANT; if you hate rants, don't read it] Linux is getting exaspirating... It is not definitely the Linux I knew when I started using it back in 2006-2007. Like Windows, Linux is now allowing advertising to pass through, with the disadvantage of a nightmare whenever a package fails to install. I

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Android

2018-08-03 Thread Alessandro Selli
On 03/08/2018 at 16:05, Hendrik Boom wrote: On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 08:42:22PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > Hi, >> >> Every so often I get a bug to see what it takes to run >> terminal programs on my phone. Having just spent half an >> hour looking through outdated articles about outdated apps, >>

Re: [DNG] Devuan on Android

2018-08-03 Thread Hendrik Boom
On Thu, Aug 02, 2018 at 08:42:22PM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > Hi, > > Every so often I get a bug to see what it takes to run > terminal programs on my phone. Having just spent half an > hour looking through outdated articles about outdated apps, > I can save you some trouble: > > Termux looks

[DNG] Devuan on Android

2018-08-03 Thread Joel Roth
Hi, Every so often I get a bug to see what it takes to run terminal programs on my phone. Having just spent half an hour looking through outdated articles about outdated apps, I can save you some trouble: Termux looks decent, available from playstore, installs with user permissions, without

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-22 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 21/06/2018 à 21:50, Ozi Traveller a écrit : I like this one https://willhaley.com/blog/custom-debian-live-environment/     Yes, it's longer than the other one but it builds a live CD. It brings Systemd in though.     I tend to consider the recipe of Refracta-no-dbus is probably the

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-21 Thread Ozi Traveller
I like this one https://willhaley.com/blog/custom-debian-live-environment/ ozi On Thu, Jun 21, 2018 at 6:32 PM, Didier Kryn wrote: > Le 21/06/2018 à 08:51, Rick Moen a écrit : > >> My bit of snark was marred by omitting the URL (drat): >> >> Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): >>>

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-21 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 21/06/2018 à 08:51, Rick Moen a écrit : My bit of snark was marred by omitting the URL (drat): Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): They're time wasters for folks like you with the intelligence and Linux knowledge to do a chroot install. I have a little less than the requisite

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-21 Thread Rick Moen
My bit of snark was marred by omitting the URL (drat): > Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > > > They're time wasters for folks like you with the intelligence and Linux > > knowledge to do a chroot install. I have a little less than the > > requisite intelligence and Linux

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-21 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting Steve Litt (sl...@troubleshooters.com): > They're time wasters for folks like you with the intelligence and Linux > knowledge to do a chroot install. I have a little less than the > requisite intelligence and Linux knowledge, so for me, having to trial > and error installer programs a

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-21 Thread Steve Litt
On Sun, 17 Jun 2018 06:52:48 +0200 Edward Bartolo wrote: > I do not use debootstrap for educational purposes but to bypass > installer misbehaviour.For instance, I remember using it when the > installer obstinately wanted to force me to use LVM (Logical Volume > Management). This happened both

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 32bit images

2018-06-20 Thread Harald Arnesen
Antony Stone [2018-06-20 17:36]: > No, I think Adam's point was that if you have a 686 kernel on a 386 machine, > replacing it for a 386 kernel is easy (relatively speaking), but if you have > the complete system binaries and libraries built for 686 on a 386 machine, > replacing that lot is

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 32bit images

2018-06-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 16:36:26 +0100, Antony wrote in message <201806201636.26513.antony.st...@devuan.open.source.it>: > On Wednesday 20 June 2018 at 16:27:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 12:21:21 +0200, Adam wrote in message > > > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 32bit images

2018-06-20 Thread Jimmy Johnson
On 06/19/2018 05:16 PM, Ozi Traveller wrote: Hi Are the 32bit images 586 or 686? I think the Jessie images were 586. ozi I'm using i386 Jessie Devuan on my old ThinkPad A31, I call it my Tank, works swell in kind of a lazy way and I enjoy using it, but I'm a linux tester and have many

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 32bit images

2018-06-20 Thread Antony Stone
On Wednesday 20 June 2018 at 16:27:19, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 12:21:21 +0200, Adam wrote in message > > <20180620102121.flczbaznhl3mh...@angband.pl>: > > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 07:09:12AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > > El 20/06/18 a las 02:16, Ozi Traveller escribió: > > > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 32bit images

2018-06-20 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Wed, 20 Jun 2018 12:21:21 +0200, Adam wrote in message <20180620102121.flczbaznhl3mh...@angband.pl>: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 07:09:12AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > > El 20/06/18 a las 02:16, Ozi Traveller escribió: > > > Are the 32bit images 586 or 686? > > > > > > I think the Jessie

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 32bit images

2018-06-20 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 07:09:12AM +0200, aitor_czr wrote: > El 20/06/18 a las 02:16, Ozi Traveller escribió: > > Are the 32bit images 586 or 686? > > > > I think the Jessie images were 586. > > linux-4.9.x is built in 686 and 686-pae And more importantly, userland packages are built using 686

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 32bit images

2018-06-19 Thread Ozi Traveller
Hi aitor Thanks Ozi On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 3:09 PM, aitor_czr wrote: > Hi Ozi, > El 20/06/18 a las 02:16, Ozi Traveller escribió: > > Hi > > Are the 32bit images 586 or 686? > > I think the Jessie images were 586. > > ozi > > > linux-4.9.x is built in 686 and 686-pae > > Cheers, > > Aitor.

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 32bit images

2018-06-19 Thread aitor_czr
Hi Ozi, El 20/06/18 a las 02:16, Ozi Traveller escribió: Hi Are the 32bit images 586 or 686? I think the Jessie images were 586. ozi linux-4.9.x is built in 686 and 686-pae Cheers,   Aitor. ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org

[DNG] Devuan ASCII 32bit images

2018-06-19 Thread Ozi Traveller
Hi Are the 32bit images 586 or 686? I think the Jessie images were 586. ozi ___ Dng mailing list Dng@lists.dyne.org https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-17 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 17/06/2018 à 06:52, Edward Bartolo a écrit : I do not use debootstrap for educational purposes but to bypass installer misbehaviour.For instance, I remember using it when the installer obstinately wanted to force me to use LVM (Logical Volume Management). This happened both under Debian and

[DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-16 Thread Edward Bartolo
I do not use debootstrap for educational purposes but to bypass installer misbehaviour.For instance, I remember using it when the installer obstinately wanted to force me to use LVM (Logical Volume Management). This happened both under Debian and Devuan. On other occasions, the installer came to a

Re: [DNG] Devuan ascii installer netinstall iso UPDATE

2018-06-16 Thread Stefan Krusche
Hi Dan, Am Samstag 02 Juni 2018 schrieb Dan Purgert: On 05/31/2018 04:42 PM, Stefan Krusche wrote: > > My older version can't seem to process option "-o FingerprintHash=sha" as > > suggested in the posting on superuser.com to get the SHA256 key fingerprint > > which is shown on the screen of

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-15 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Fri, 15 Jun 2018 12:55:10 +0300, Eric wrote in message <20180615095510.GA12693@orphan.zombinet>: > On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 08:27:26AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: > > *SKIP* > > it's interesting because it provides an alternative "new" way to > > bootstrap a new apt based system in addition to the

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-15 Thread Harald Arnesen
Eric Pozharski [2018-06-15 11:55]: > p.s. Also. For those ignorant out there. The Linux-from-Scratch has > gone The Dark Side. Close that book. Not really: "In coordination with this release, a new version of LFS using the systemd package is also being released. This package implements the

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-15 Thread Eric Pozharski
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 08:27:26AM +0200, Jaromil wrote: *SKIP* > it's interesting because it provides an alternative "new" way to > bootstrap a new apt based system in addition to the classical > debootstrap method. I also noticed the instructions have no mention of > systemd, wonder where that

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-14 Thread Olaf Meeuwissen
Hi Jaromil, Jaromil writes: > re all, > > today I've noticed this interesting experiment from the news of > Distrowatch: > > https://github.com/scottwilliambeasley/debian-from-scratch/blob/master/README.md > > it's interesting because it provides an alternative "new" way to > bootstrap a new apt

Re: [DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-14 Thread Didier Kryn
Le 14/06/2018 à 08:27, Jaromil a écrit : re all, today I've noticed this interesting experiment from the news of Distrowatch: https://github.com/scottwilliambeasley/debian-from-scratch/blob/master/README.md it's interesting because it provides an alternative "new" way to bootstrap a new apt

[DNG] devuan from scratch?

2018-06-14 Thread Jaromil
re all, today I've noticed this interesting experiment from the news of Distrowatch: https://github.com/scottwilliambeasley/debian-from-scratch/blob/master/README.md it's interesting because it provides an alternative "new" way to bootstrap a new apt based system in addition to the classical

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable

2018-06-11 Thread info at smallinnovations dot nl
On 11-06-18 02:02, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting info at smallinnovations dot nl (i...@smallinnovations.nl): > >> Discussion at slashdot is a waste of time nowadays (I do have a 5 digit >> uid from the time ./ had some merits). > {ahem} FWIW: > > rickmoen (1322) > > Karma: Excellent > > ;->

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable

2018-06-11 Thread biko
Hello Devuan, I am a sysadmin, mostly deploying debian since many years. I just came across devuan for the first time and I wanted to thank you for the great work! I already switched to devuan on some systems and I very much agree with the idea of init freedom. It makes a lot of sense to me. I

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable

2018-06-11 Thread メット
On 2018年6月11日 21:15:43 JST, Alessandro Selli wrote: >On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 at 14:27:21 +0200 >Jaromil wrote: > >> ahoy! >> >> On Sat, 09 Jun 2018, Irrwahn wrote: >> >>> Veteran Unix Admins wrote on 09.06.2018 07:05: Dear Init Freedom Lovers Once again the Veteran Unix Admins

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable

2018-06-11 Thread Arnt Karlsen
On Mon, 11 Jun 2018 05:26:33 -0500, Nate wrote in message <20180611102633.nku36ffn3tfzb...@n0nb.us>: > * On 2018 10 Jun 19:04 -0500, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting info at smallinnovations dot nl (i...@smallinnovations.nl): > > > > > Discussion at slashdot is a waste of time nowadays (I do have

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable

2018-06-11 Thread Emiliano Marini
Less than 4 years passed and here we are: 2 stable releases. Keep up with the good work! On Mon, Jun 11, 2018 at 7:26 AM, Nate Bargmann wrote: > * On 2018 10 Jun 19:04 -0500, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting info at smallinnovations dot nl (i...@smallinnovations.nl): > > > > > Discussion at

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable

2018-06-11 Thread Alessandro Selli
On Sun, 10 Jun 2018 at 14:27:21 +0200 Jaromil wrote: > ahoy! > > On Sat, 09 Jun 2018, Irrwahn wrote: > >> Veteran Unix Admins wrote on 09.06.2018 07:05: >>> Dear Init Freedom Lovers >>> >>> Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! >>> >>> We are happy to announce that Devuan GNU+Linux

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable

2018-06-11 Thread Nate Bargmann
* On 2018 10 Jun 19:04 -0500, Rick Moen wrote: > Quoting info at smallinnovations dot nl (i...@smallinnovations.nl): > > > Discussion at slashdot is a waste of time nowadays (I do have a 5 digit > > uid from the time ./ had some merits). > > {ahem} FWIW: > > rickmoen (1322) > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan ASCII 2.0.0 stable

2018-06-10 Thread Rick Moen
Quoting info at smallinnovations dot nl (i...@smallinnovations.nl): > Discussion at slashdot is a waste of time nowadays (I do have a 5 digit > uid from the time ./ had some merits). {ahem} FWIW: rickmoen (1322) Karma: Excellent ;-> ___

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