On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:12:51PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
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> I do think that it is wise to replace SysVinit at some point or at least
> provide an alternative. I even agree with tech-ctte decision regarding
> replacing SysVinit, that is not the point. Systemd addressed a
I installed Devuan about 4 months ago in our test lab, which now
houses about 180 flavors of Unix-(like) systems. The starting point
was the devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_DVD.iso file.
After reading DNG list traffic for several weeks, and seeing frequent
mention of the ascii release, I followed
Le 17/11/2017 à 15:54, John Hughes a écrit :
On 17/11/17 15:48, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
Thus, systemd represents a code base of about 455,000 to 833,000 lines
spread over 2201 files.
The main problem that systemd tries to solve is correct ordering of
startup script execution, a job that is
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:54:39 +0100
John Hughes wrote:
> On 17/11/17 15:48, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
> > Thus, systemd represents a code base of about 455,000 to 833,000
> > lines spread over 2201 files.
> >
> > The main problem that systemd tries to solve is correct ordering
On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 03:39:45PM +, Rowland Penny wrote:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 16:34:31 +0100
> John Hughes wrote:
>
> > On 17/11/17 16:14, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > > On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:54:39 +0100
> > > John Hughes wrote:
> > >
> > >> systemd,
On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 03:14:26PM +, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > Also don't forget that you're counting udev into the size of systemd.
>
> That was their decision (and another bad one at that)
And it has far-reaching results: in a modular design, it's easy to replace
individual components.
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On 17/11/17 16:14, Rowland Penny wrote:
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:54:39 +0100
John Hughes wrote:
systemd, like init(1), doesn't just run on boot -- it's running
continuously.
Excuse me apologist troll, but that is the whole point, it shouldn't
have to.
It doesn't? You
Didier Kryn writes:
That's why a bunch of people have endeavoured replacing
systemd-udev by mdev or mdevd, something much simpler to
configure and not locked-in. The only issue now is that sysfs is
unstable on purpose to force libudev on people (sysfs is
developped by the same persons
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 16:34:31 +0100
John Hughes wrote:
> On 17/11/17 16:14, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:54:39 +0100
> > John Hughes wrote:
> >
> >> systemd, like init(1), doesn't just run on boot -- it's running
> >> continuously.
> >>
On 17/11/17 16:38, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
Didier Kryn writes:
That's why a bunch of people have endeavoured replacing
systemd-udev by mdev or mdevd, something much simpler to configure
and not locked-in. The only issue now is that sysfs is unstable on
purpose to force libudev on people
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:49:51 +
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 03:39:45PM +, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 16:34:31 +0100
> > John Hughes wrote:
> >
> > > On 17/11/17 16:14, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 17 Nov
- Original Message -
From: "KatolaZ"
To:
Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package
We agree on the necessity of providing (optional) alternatives to
sysvinit. But this cannot mean
On 2017-11-17 10:04, John Hughes wrote:
On 17/11/17 16:38, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
Didier Kryn writes:
That's why a bunch of people have endeavoured replacing
systemd-udev by mdev or mdevd, something much simpler to configure
and not locked-in. The only issue now is that sysfs is unstable
John Hughes writes:
The lkml.org archive contains a broken link. How odd. There's
another message from Linus with the same subject:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/10/26/524
That one's to the point... Linus may/will not react to conspiracy theories
about possible future commits, but it there's
On 17/11/17 17:04, John Hughes wrote:
On 17/11/17 16:38, Arnt Gulbrandsen wrote:
Didier Kryn writes:
That's why a bunch of people have endeavoured replacing
systemd-udev by mdev or mdevd, something much simpler to configure
and not locked-in. The only issue now is that sysfs is unstable
On Fri, 2017-11-17 at 08:42 -0500, Ismael L. Donis Garcia wrote:
> But I understand that the new versions of openrc already bring the
> possibility of functioning as an init system independently.
>
> In that case, openrc could not be used as an alternative init?
Yes, openrc is now able to be
Le 17/11/2017 à 17:37, Arnt Gulbrandsen a écrit :
John Hughes writes:
The lkml.org archive contains a broken link. How odd. There's
another message from Linus with the same subject:
https://lkml.org/lkml/2017/10/26/524
That one's to the point... Linus may/will not react to conspiracy
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 09:14:38 +
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 16, 2017 at 10:12:51PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
>
> [cut]
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> >
> > I do think that it is wise to replace SysVinit at some point or at
> > least provide an alternative. I even agree with tech-ctte
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:49:51 +
KatolaZ wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 03:39:45PM +, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 16:34:31 +0100
> > John Hughes wrote:
> >
> > > On 17/11/17 16:14, Rowland Penny wrote:
> > > > On Fri, 17
Hi all,
Although all "init systems" are different, a typical "init system"
functions as the first and only program called by the kernel, it spawns
both one-time and respawned processes, and it facilitates shutdown:
Typically with a shutdown shellscript. The part that remains PID1 after
the system
On Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:42:51 -0500
"Ismael L. Donis Garcia" wrote:
> Excuse me if I say something not suitable, since my knowledge is very
> scarce.
>
> But I understand that the new versions of openrc already bring the
> possibility of functioning as an init system
Hi Nelson,
Nelson H. F. Beebe writes:
> I installed Devuan about 4 months ago in our test lab, which now
> houses about 180 flavors of Unix-(like) systems. The starting point
> was the devuan_jessie_1.0.0_amd64_DVD.iso file.
>
> After reading DNG list traffic for several weeks, and seeing
- Original Message -
From: "Martin Steigerwald"
To:
Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package
Hello Steve.
Thank you! I totally get the frustration behind emotions like the
"Ismael L. Donis Garcia" asks on Fri, 17 Nov 2017 08:42:51
-0500:
>> But I understand that the new versions of openrc already bring the
>> possibility of functioning as an init system independently.
>>
>> In that case, openrc could not be used as an alternative init?
The
On 17/11/17 15:48, Nelson H. F. Beebe wrote:
Thus, systemd represents a code base of about 455,000 to 833,000 lines
spread over 2201 files.
The main problem that systemd tries to solve is correct ordering of
startup script execution, a job that is done only at boot time.
systemd, like
Le 17/11/2017 à 23:13, Joel Roth a écrit :
On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 10:37:05PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
But Linus stated explicitely in the past that applications shouldn't
access sysfs directly and sysfs wasn't to be considered stable. Rob Landley
(author of mdev) has made a lot of
On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 10:37:05PM +0100, Didier Kryn wrote:
> But Linus stated explicitely in the past that applications shouldn't
> access sysfs directly and sysfs wasn't to be considered stable. Rob Landley
> (author of mdev) has made a lot of requests about sysfs documentation to Kay
>
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