Re: [DNG] mailing list software

Hi. KatolaZ - 11.12.18, 19:26: > On Tue, Dec 11, 2018 at 01:17:52PM -0500, Hendrik Boom wrote: > > Looking for free software recommendats for managing a few small > > mailing lists. > > > > Typically these will be for small groups of about five to twenty > > subscribers, averaging one to five

Re: [DNG] [OT] The End of Trust

Rick Moen - 04.12.18, 10:09: > Quoting spiralofhope (spiralofh...@spiralofhope.com): > > On Mon, 03 Dec 2018 20:26:51 -0600 > > > > goli...@dyne.org wrote: > > > Most of it is familiar but I did discover something that I didn't > > > know. > > > > This is something I suspected since the 2000s

Re: [DNG] Mutuality and harmlessness

Dear Steve. Martin Steigerwald - 27.11.18, 10:30: > I skip responding to the other posts and instead let all the different > colors expressed there just be. Of course, I let your opinion also be, Steve. As there really i no "instead". I can also let an opinion be I reply to. Th

Re: [DNG] Mutuality and harmlessness

Dear Steve. Steve Litt - 25.11.18, 19:18: > On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 09:27:20 +0100 > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Hello Spiral of Hope. > > > > Thank you for your point of view. > > > > spiralofhope - 24.11.18, 18:24: > > > Now > > > > &g

Re: [DNG] Mutuality and harmlessness

Hendrik Boom - 25.11.18, 15:32: > On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 09:27:20AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > I can be perfectly honest to some apparent other, without ever > > choosing to hurt him, her or cis. (There may be other words or ways > > to refer to non binary genders

Re: [DNG] Mutuality and harmlessness

Hello Spiral of Hope. Thank you for your point of view. spiralofhope - 24.11.18, 18:24: > Now > > > what happens if I let go any belief that some of them are true or > > right, preferably my own, and some of them are false or wrong, > > preferably those of apparent others? What is beyond true

[DNG] Mutuality and harmlessness

Dear readers, After all what I let go and what I learned in the process of doing so, I totally agree with had I heard during some recordings I used. There are two essential aspects for any relationship: Mutuality and harmlessness. In the current discussions on this list I have seen a great

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question

Dear Roger. Roger Leigh - 23.11.18, 18:01: […] > On a personal note: I spent well over a decade working on different > parts of Debian and loved being a part of it, and had many friends > there. I left the Debian project after enduring over two years of > abusive and disrespectful

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question

[… personal attacks against Didier omitted …] I recommend to go back to basic netiquette. Attacking others in person is not going to help anyone, nor does it add to a friendly community around Devuan. Alessandro Selli - 22.11.18, 21:55: > You are again blockheadedly ignoring the fact that

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question

Roger Leigh - 21.11.18, 13:17: > Lastly, regarding the comments about Devuan "disenfranchising" itself > from Debian to not be "in the back seat". I take the point, but the > practical reality is that Debian is so huge not even a company with > many dozens of employees like Canonical could

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

Rick Moen - 21.11.18, 00:02: > Quoting Harald Arnesen (skog...@gmail.com): > > Why not just use "make deb-pkg" from the kernel source tree? > > I'm a little unclear on whether this is a suggestion, ot a question, > or both, or a suggestion disguised as a question. ;-> > > Yesterday when I

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

Martin Steigerwald - 20.11.18, 18:22: > So in my opinion it is good to cooperate so that Devuan can take as > much as possible from Debian and focus on the packages that actually > need to be changed for Debian. For Devuan of course. -

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

Steve Litt - 20.11.18, 18:10: > On Sun, 18 Nov 2018 10:46:13 +0100 > > Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > KatolaZ - 18.11.18, 09:36: […] > > Maybe… not just yet. > > > > But there certainly is a potential. I am glad about the wonderful > > cooperation between

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

KatolaZ - 18.11.18, 09:36: > On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 01:08:41AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 12:22:18AM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > > I'm well aware of the present limitations that make it > > > impossible to let Devuan be an indipendent distribution: too > > >

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

KatolaZ - 18.11.18, 09:40: > On Sun, Nov 18, 2018 at 04:51:43PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote: […] > > ACK. Just like to point out that Devuan might run into packages > > that > > have already moved programs that really ought to be in /bin or /sbin > > over to /usr/bin and /usr/sbin. > > > >

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

KatolaZ - 17.11.18, 13:03: > On Sat, Nov 17, 2018 at 12:57:23PM +0100, Alessandro Selli wrote: > > On 16/11/18 at 11:43, KatolaZ wrote: > > > On Fri, Nov 16, 2018 at 10:19:30AM +, Rowland Penny wrote: > > > > > > [cut] > > > > > >> So, after reading Steve's enlightening description, I am

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

Martin Steigerwald - 16.11.18, 16:04: > In any case: Regarding a decision I'd take the amount of effort into > account which would be needed to divert from Debian's default. As long > as Debian still supports the usr split, I bet that effort would be > minimal, but as soon as pac

Re: [DNG] /usr to merge or not to merge... that is the question??

Hi Daniel. Daniel Reurich - 16.11.18, 10:11: > Debian as of the upcoming Buster release looks to be implementing a > merged /usr by default. At this stage there is no plan to make it > forced... but you never know what happens when their Technical > Committee suddenly decides it's an issue they

Re: [DNG] Implementing directory services/Kerberos

wirelessd...@gmail.com - 12.11.18, 01:26: > On Fri, 9 Nov 2018 at 17:20, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Héctor González - 09.11.18, 00:02: > > > >> Quoting wirelessd...@gmail.com (wirelessd...@gmail.com): […] > > Or use sssd, in case it can be installed without pul

Re: [DNG] Security Jessie VS ASCII

Adam Borowski - 10.11.18, 23:19: > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 07:41:19PM +0300, Andres Suarez wrote: > > From the security point of view: Is it worth to update from Jessie > > to > > ASCII? Do you see any significant advantage? I do no use any exotic > > software. > Yes. Upstream (Debian) Jessie is

Re: [DNG] Implementing directory services/Kerberos

Héctor González - 09.11.18, 00:02: > >> Quoting wirelessd...@gmail.com (wirelessd...@gmail.com): > > [snip] > > > >>> So my next question is, whats the recommended package to > >>> authenticate > >>> with LDAP and allow users to login to a desktop via their LDAP > >>> account? I've seen various

Re: [DNG] Red Hat ends KDE support

J. Fahrner - 06.11.18, 10:21: > Next step after systemd: Red Hat ends KDE support. > Gnome will be the only supported dekstop environment. > https://hub.packtpub.com/soon-rhel-red-hat-enterprise-linux-wont-suppo > rt-kde/ We discussed this before in "ascii upgrade /w KDE" thread. As I wrote

Re: [DNG] ascii upgrade /w KDE

KatolaZ - 03.11.18, 17:49: > On Sat, Nov 03, 2018 at 05:14:12PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Sat, 03 Nov 2018 12:16:01 +0100, Martin wrote in message > > > > <2230094.aIEOJzzQQQ@merkaba>: > > > Arnt Karlsen - 03.11.18, 00:10: > > > > ..I'm beginning to think the good people at kde.org may

Re: [DNG] ascii upgrade /w KDE

Martin Steigerwald - 02.11.18, 23:58: > goli...@dyne.org - 02.11.18, 22:34: > > On 2018-11-02 16:09, Martin Steigerwald wrote: […] > > > Thank you for sharing your experience. > > > > > > Simon Walter - 02.11.18, 11:47: > > >> I thought I

Re: [DNG] ascii upgrade /w KDE

Arnt Karlsen - 03.11.18, 00:10: > ..I'm beginning to think the good people at kde.org may have prepared > themselves for this, by supporting, but not depending on systemd: 8o) That is a pattern I saw with KDE project for quite some time. For example, Plasma's audio support called Phonon allows

Re: [DNG] ascii upgrade /w KDE

goli...@dyne.org - 02.11.18, 22:34: > On 2018-11-02 16:09, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Hi Simon. > > > > Thank you for sharing your experience. > > > > Simon Walter - 02.11.18, 11:47: > >> I thought I should write to warn anyone that has not already &

[DNG] Plasma on Devuan Ceres

Hi! I am considering to switch this main laptop from Debian Sid to Devuan Ceres for quire some time already. Right now I noticed I have another laptop where I can test this move first. On the second laptop, my jukebox for Hi-Fi equipment, issues are not as critical as on this one. I think I

Re: [DNG] ascii upgrade /w KDE

Hi Simon. Thank you for sharing your experience. Simon Walter - 02.11.18, 11:47: > I thought I should write to warn anyone that has not already upgraded > to ascii. Regarding Plasma/KDE in Devuan, you may also consider subscribing to debian-kde mailing list, at least for reading it. Many of

Re: [DNG] Devuan on a Purism

Hendrik Boom - 31.10.18, 01:49: > On Tue, Oct 30, 2018 at 11:53:03PM +0100, Arnt Karlsen wrote: > > On Tue, 30 Oct 2018 14:01:03 -0400, Hendrik wrote in message > > > > <20181030180103.7xwhnvyqbs6zn...@topoi.pooq.com>: > > > I use Devuan on a Purism laptop. Purism's OS is based on Debian, > > >

Re: [DNG] Daemon names for runit

Hi Steve. Steve Litt - 21.10.18, 07:52: > Please view > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/init/runit_daemon_list.htm and if > you use any daemons not on that list, please email me with the daemon > name(s) so I can get run scripts for them. - quasselcore - rsyslog - syslog-ng Whoa, there even is

Re: [DNG] How to unarchive an .xz

Adam Borowski - 20.10.18, 22:54: > * zip is used by Windows folks only, similar to gzip. It is also used by LibreOffice (or under-maintained OpenOffice). […] > * 7z is similar but incompatible to xz; also a container rather than a > pure compressor. There can be benefits of container

Re: [DNG] There is no madness to begin with

Martin Steigerwald - 21.10.18, 12:20: > It is entirely my choice to focus on helping to bring the healing > process along. And I will mediate and let go to also facilitate the meditate I meant here. Did not catch this while proof-reading my mail. > healing process between us as we

Re: [DNG] There is no madness to begin with

KatolaZ - 21.10.18, 11:21: > On Sun, Oct 21, 2018 at 01:43:42AM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: […] > Dear Jimmy, > > unfortunately the world is not divided into "good" vs "bad" at all > times. A world divided into "good" versus "bad" would be like "black" and "white" to me. I am happy to be able

Re: [DNG] There is no madness to begin with

Jimmy. I don't know where you have that anger and hatred towards me from, but I answer nonetheless: Jimmy Johnson - 21.10.18, 10:43: > On 10/21/18 12:25 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: [… most outrage and hatred towards me skipped …] > > None of the Devuan developers would let go of the

[DNG] There is no madness to begin with (was: Re: Stop the madness!)

Steve Litt - 20.10.18, 03:55: > Some folks are asking for automatic sysvinit init script generation, > or else unit file to sysvinit init script converters. Some are asking > Devuan's developers to prioritize their scarce programmer resources > to modifying sysvinit, which is over 30 years old.

Re: [DNG] [devuan-dev] Debian Buster release to partially drop non-systemd support

KatolaZ - 17.10.18, 16:58: > process supervision and management system. Which is probably 90% of > the reason why systemd needed to fagocitate the whole low-level > user-space (please remember that the only way to reliably know that a > process is dead under unix is to be the parent of that

Re: [DNG] Fwd: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.

Rick Moen - 24.09.18, 22:48: > Quoting Dr. Nikolaus Klepp (dr.kl...@gmx.at): > > Now isn't it a gift of god that devuan is outside good owns country, > > is it? > The worst that can be reasonably said of the USA in this regard is > that we give our loons like MikeeUSA[1] the freedom to post

[DNG] OT: Re: Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: GPL version 2 is a bare license. Recind. (Regarding (future) linux Code of Conduct Bannings).

Bruce Perens - 20.09.18, 23:23: > Let's face it, guys. A *lot* of us are on the spectrum. I have motor > neural pathology and might be too. Those who are not on the spectrum > may still underperform in human relations, as we've just heard from > Linus. We used to tolerate this stuff, and it cost

Re: [DNG] Downloadable CIDR network calculator

Steve Litt - 11.09.18, 16:01: > I've created a downloadable CIDR network calculator, whose sole > dependency is Python3. It runs in any terminal or terminal emulator on > any Linux or presumably BSD machine. > > http://troubleshooters.com/linux/cidr_calc.htm Thanks for sharing. So far I just

Re: [DNG] OT: firefox, privacy etc.

terryc - 06.09.18, 05:46: > On Thu, 6 Sep 2018 03:34:27 +0200 (CEST) > > wrote: […] > > Can't find any configs in about:config to enable a > > master passord or learning of new login data without "sync", > > "pocket", etc. > > A web search suggests the relevant files are in >

Re: [DNG] OT: firefox, privacy etc.

mad.scientist.at.la...@tutanota.com - 06.09.18, 03:34: > how an i possibly get local storage of login information to work again > in firefox? Can't find any configs in about:config to enable a > master passord or learning of new login data without "sync", > "pocket", etc. should i just switch

Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list

KatolaZ - 02.09.18, 09:34: > Am 2018-09-02 02:27, schrieb Hendrik Boom: > > > If I'm away from home and post using my mobile, I still often want > > > the reply to go to my home site, which is *not* in the cloud. > > > > But then, I assume, it is not a freemail address. > > > > Nowadays lots of

Re: [DNG] Reply-To in this list

J. Fahrner - 01.09.18, 15:54: > > Ultimately, though, if your anti-spam rules result in you not > > receiving emails > > which you wanted to receive, then your rules are not doing what you > > want them > > to and need to be adjusted. > > I could also argue that someone who wants to get his mail

Re: [DNG] Debian blocks latest Intel microcode update

Don Wright - 22.08.18, 21:56: > El Reg has [1]published a disagreement between a Debian maintainer and > Intel over changes to license terms in the latest CPU microcode > updates. The added terms (see comments) appear to attach liability to > both Debian and mirror sites if the end user violates

Re: [DNG] Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

Arnt Karlsen - 08.08.18, 16:20: > On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 13:34:30 +0200, John wrote in message > > <7a5d6797-0388-c06a-b5ab-196d4b324...@safeandsoundit.co.uk>: > > On 07/08/18 13:51, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > > Yet another great choice by mozilla > > > > And so it goes on... > > > >

Re: [DNG] Mozilla and cloudflare to hijack all your DNS requests - for your own good of course

Arnt Karlsen - 08.08.18, 16:20: > On Wed, 8 Aug 2018 13:34:30 +0200, John wrote in message > > <7a5d6797-0388-c06a-b5ab-196d4b324...@safeandsoundit.co.uk>: > > On 07/08/18 13:51, taii...@gmx.com wrote: > > > Yet another great choice by mozilla > > > > And so it goes on... > > > >

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

Jimmy Johnson - 09.07.18, 12:00: > On 07/09/2018 02:53 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Hi Katola. > > > > KatolaZ - 09.07.18, 09:51: > >> On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 03:52:48PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > >>> On 07/08/2018 02:49 PM, info at smallinnovati

Re: [DNG] A Devuan kernel?

Hi Katola. KatolaZ - 09.07.18, 09:51: > On Sun, Jul 08, 2018 at 03:52:48PM -0700, Jimmy Johnson wrote: > > On 07/08/2018 02:49 PM, info at smallinnovations dot nl wrote: > > > On 08-07-18 23:32, aitor_czr wrote: > > > > Hi Jimmy, > > > > > > > > El 08/07/18 a las 23:24, Jimmy Johnson escribió: >

Re: [DNG] When 128?

Dear Adam, dear Jaromil, dear listeners, Jaromil - 21.06.18, 09:12: > On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Adam Borowski wrote: > > x86 on the other hand has variable size of opcodes, 1 to 15 bytes. > > This, by the way, is the biggest flaw of x86 instruction set: the > > rules to split code into opcodes are

Re: [DNG] what happened to usbmount?

Erik Christiansen - 19.06.18, 11:15: > On 19.06.18 02:38, James Cloos wrote: > > > "HB" == Haines Brown writes: > > HB> Has an alternative been developed without the problems > > associated > > HB> with usbmount? > > > > pmount may be what you want. > > > > I've not used it on devuan (or

Re: [DNG] elogind and startx

Hi Haines. Haines Brown - 15.06.18, 22:12: > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 07:41:52PM +0100, Dave Turner wrote: > > You must install the xserver files to get X working. > > > > More precisely, they MUST be installed. Whether elogind and > > libpam-elogind drag them in as dependencies I do not know. >

Re: [DNG] Systemd introduces "Portable Services"

Arnt Karlsen - 01.06.18, 15:07: > > https://soylentnews.org/article.pl?sid=18/05/30/0147216 > > > > Mozilla isn't alone in "innovating", sigh! > > > > "The past several months Lennart Poettering has been working on a > > "portable services" concept and that big ticket new feature has now > >

Re: [DNG] Switching to OpenRC

Hector Gonzalez - 15.05.18, 15:55: > On 05/15/2018 06:23 AM, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > This basically did it for me. But this warning has been unhelpful > > for me: > > > > %:/var/lib/dpkg/info# grep -A 2 "sysv" *openrc* > > openrc.postinst:

Re: [DNG] Congratulations! and some migration questions (was: Re: Devuan "ASCII" 2.0 Release Candidate)

Hi KatolaZ. Thank you for your answers. KatolaZ - 10.05.18, 15:34: > On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 01:24:01PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: […] > > I´d like to switch over my backup VM first and wonder whether the > > network device with Devuan ASCII will be called "eth0"

Re: [DNG] Switching to OpenRC

wirelessd...@gmail.com - 14.05.18, 02:52: > I’ve read that the ascii RC has optional support for OpenRC. How can I > switch to this on an existing system to try it out? > > Is it simply a matter of running “apt-get install openrc”? This basically did it for me. But this warning has been

[DNG] Congratulations! and some migration questions (was: Re: Devuan "ASCII" 2.0 Release Candidate)

Subscribe to receive announcements about Devuan - 10.05.18, 00:16: > Dear Init Freedom Lovers, > > Once again the Veteran Unix Admins salute you! > > We are happy to announce that the Devuan 2.0 ASCII Release Candidate > is now available thanks to the support, feedback, and collaboration of >

Re: [DNG] ｢｣ quotes (was: Re: Extended attributes - in major use?)

Adam Borowski - 29.03.18, 23:40: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 10:57:44PM +0200, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Nice, I like these: ｢｣｢｣｢｣｢｣｢｣｢｣ Now I wonder how to type these on a > > keyboard with German keyboard layout. Hmmm, Alt-Gr-S is ſ but that is not > > the same as

Re: [DNG] Extended attributes - in major use?

Adam Borowski - 29.03.18, 21:17: > On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 09:00:59AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote: > > I've been backing up my system with rsync years without > > the --xattrs option. I'm curious if important parts of > > Debian/Devuan rely on extended attributes. > > Type: ｢getcap -r /bin /sbin /usr

Re: [DNG] Init script for running fio as a service

Hello KatolaZ. KatolaZ - 22.03.18, 15:40: > On Thu, Mar 22, 2018 at 02:00:23PM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: […] > > I am working on updating my fio debian package. I chose to install the > > systemd service file for those who use a default Debian system with > > system

[DNG] Init script for running fio as a service

Hello. I am working on updating my fio debian package. I chose to install the systemd service file for those who use a default Debian system with systemd. However I also like to provide an init script for people who use Devuan or Debian with sysvinit. I started a quick hack on an init script,

[DNG] Used *and* free hardware (was: Re: The FSF seems to have finally sold out)

Dear Jaromil. Jaromil - 11.03.18, 09:10: > 3- They produce new hardware instead of recycling existing one, >something I do not like for many enviromental reasons. Rant ahead, but hopefully still a somewhat constructive one: I am actually thinking along this line and instead of ordering a

Re: [DNG] btrfs

Hello Hendrik. Hendrik Boom - 21.02.18, 15:08: > Now I have the fortune or misfortune (I don't know which yet) to have > a GnuBee 2, waiting in its box to be assembled. The online page > https://lwn.net/Articles/743609/ tells me that it works with kernel > "Linux 3.10.14 with lots of changes",

Re: [DNG] Cron / Anacron

Hello . Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI - 06.12.17, 13:25: > I notice that since I upgraded from Bebian Wheezy to Devuan Jessie my box > runs periodic jobs through anacron instead of cron. > > This sometimes causes heavy jobs to run at inconvenient times. > > Given my box runs 24/7, is there a simple way

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

Adam Borowski - 22.11.17, 11:06: > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 10:45:12AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > For that I do not know a ip command out of the box. But > > > > merkaba:~> netstat -i > > Kernel-Schnittstellentabelle > > Iface MTURX-OK RX-ERR

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

Hello Hendrik. Hendrik Boom - 21.11.17, 07:05: > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 05:34:15PM -0500, Steve Litt wrote: > > On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:55:36 -0500 > > > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 05:53:49PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > > > nono, as I wrote: that

Re: [DNG] ifconfig deprecated?

Hello Steve. Steve Litt - 21.11.17, 23:34: > On Mon, 20 Nov 2017 22:55:36 -0500 > > Hendrik Boom wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 21, 2017 at 05:53:49PM +0100, Jaromil wrote: > > > nono, as I wrote: that script doesn't works anymore, if ran on a > > > freshly debootstrapped

Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package

Hello Steve. Thank you! I totally get the frustration behind emotions like the ones showed. The whole Systemd debate frustrated me to no end. It is human. So all forgiven and forgotten. Steve Litt - 16.11.17, 12:31: > > > #3 is, in my opinion, practical. Any fool can write a run script > > >

Re: [DNG] Please provide systemd-free libreswan package

Hello Steve. Steve Litt - 15.11.17, 19:59: > I personally don't like #1. The Debian maintainers are > obstructionists, so I wouldn't help them: I wouldn't give them the > sweat off my W*(#RF(#*. I am I an obstructionist just cause I happen to maintain fio Debian package? I could feel

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

Adam Borowski - 31.10.17, 12:41: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:48:35AM +0100, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Arnt Gulbrandsen - 30.10.17, 12:25: > > > Martin Steigerwald writes: > > > > I wonder about ARM64 as an alternative? But they have some > > > &

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

Arnt Gulbrandsen - 30.10.17, 12:25: > Martin Steigerwald writes: > > I wonder about ARM64 as an alternative? But they have some > > Trustzone crap if I remember correctly. > > ARM64 is fine from a performance viewpoint. The mobile phone vendors have > spent a de

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

Steve Litt - 30.10.17, 12:08: > On Mon, 30 Oct 2017 12:53:45 +0100 > > Martin Steigerwald <mar...@lichtvoll.de> wrote: > > Actually I´d make firmware pretty dumb and implement as much as I can > > in loaded software. Just enough firmware to actually install / boot a

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

Didier Kryn - 30.10.17, 13:13: > Le 30/10/2017 à 12:53, Martin Steigerwald a écrit : > > To my knowledge up to now Intel provides the mobile > > processors with the best processing power / energy consumption ratio. > > Are there numbers somewhere? I bet there are

Re: [DNG] Google abandons UEFI in Chromebooks

Didier Kryn - 30.10.17, 12:20: > Le 30/10/2017 à 11:10, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp a écrit : > > Am Montag, 30. Oktober 2017 schrieb Didier Kryn: […] > > please look at the presentation, 2. slide: it says "This is to a shell > > prompt in Linux" and "All userland written in Go", so it's not about any > >

Re: [DNG] Devuan, Firefox and Apulse

Adam Borowski - 20.09.17, 21:21: > On Wed, Sep 20, 2017 at 11:47:05AM -0700, Rick Moen wrote: > > Quoting Adam Borowski (kilob...@angband.pl): […] > But, chromium as in Debian/Devuan is not good either: > https://bugs.debian.org/792580 claims it phones home even in "incognito" > mode -- and not

Re: [DNG] Why all this systemd stuff ?

Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI - 20.09.17, 07:01: > On Wed, 20 Sep 2017 11:15:11 +0100 > > KatolaZ wrote: > > > > Have you tried to install any of them? > > > > > > No, I did not; I do not either try to poke rattlesnakes with a stick > > > > You shouldn't be scared of a

Re: [DNG] I had an idea, for a devuan fork, and other stuff

zap - 11.09.17, 12:45: > It would have only these things different: > > it would only be based off of unstable and experimental version, aka > pure rolling release, > > it would be completely free software and use linux libre as the kernel, > > otherwise it would follow every other devuan

Re: [DNG] noatime by default

Alessandro Selli - 29.08.17, 19:11: > On 29/08/2017 at 15:20, Simon Hobson wrote: > > Alessandro Selli wrote: > >>> I figure that over sizing the > >>> drive will help with wear leveling. I'm not sure if that is a valid > >>> assumption, however. > >>> > >> I am

[DNG] Naming of network interfaces (was: Re: What does Linus do?)

Narcis Garcia - 27.08.17, 09:59: > El 26/08/17 a les 19:57, Didier Kryn ha escrit: > > Le 26/08/2017 à 19:02, Alessandro Selli a écrit : > > With my proposed solution, the admin has the choice to refer to nics > > > > by their interface name, as given by the kernel, which is fine when > >

Re: [DNG] What does Linus do?

I am grateful for this thread being on topic again. Adam Borowski - 26.08.17, 20:54: > On Sat, Aug 26, 2017 at 05:19:48PM +0200, Didier Kryn wrote: > > AFAIR I fully agreed on that and then it jumped into my face that the > > renaming wasn't necessary at all, because it is sufficient to know the

Re: [DNG] Caching leads to unresponsiveness

Hi Joachim. Joachim Fahrner - 11.08.17, 17:43: > Linux uses all available more for caching of filesystems. When copying > large files to slow network filesystems (nfs, smb, sshfs, davfs) it > takes a long time until such allocated memory becomes free. When these > network filesystems saturate

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

Jaromil - 09.08.17, 09:16: > On Tue, 08 Aug 2017, Martin Steigerwald wrote: > > Adam Borowski - 08.08.17, 18:57: > > > On Tue, Aug 08, 2017 at 11:53:56AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > > > Be careful recommending cgroups. > > > > > > > > I've n

[DNG] Shepherd

Hello. Anyone knowing more about GNU (Daemon) Shepherd?¹ I was completely unaware of this service manager which is based on dmd. I think I read about dmd some long time ago tough. GuixSD (Guixid System Distribution) uses it and it is planned to use it for GNU/Hurd as well. I am a bit vary

Re: [DNG] Technical overview of init systems

Adam Borowski - 08.08.17, 18:57: > On Tue, Aug 08, 2017 at 11:53:56AM -0400, Steve Litt wrote: > > Be careful recommending cgroups. > > > > I've never used them, and know little about them, but I know they were > > one of the main excuses for systemd. > > Uhm, what? Systemd uses ELF objects

[DNG] Please stay on topic

John Morris - 03.08.17, 00:01: > At the risk of lowering the signal to noise on this list even more, I'd > like to note that about seven minutes before this new nym posted here it > posted the same text to the Fedora users list. There was exactly one > reply. I won't spoil it, go look it up

Re: [DNG] flash player for browser

Rüdiger Meier - 26.07.17, 20:04: > On 07/26/2017 08:01 PM, Haines Brown wrote: > > On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 07:49:56PM +0200, Joachim Fahrner wrote: > >> Am 2017-07-26 19:40, schrieb Haines Brown: > >>> I need access an online database, but when I try to do it I get the > >>> error message that I

Re: [DNG] Why did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?

Hi Steve. Steve Litt - 08.07.17, 21:35: > I recently got an email that asked me the question (among others) "Why > did it take Devuan 2 years to replace systemd?" > > Rather than argue the exact amount of time, I took his question at face > value and answered why it's so dam hard to alt-init a

[DNG] Systemd: Once again the "not-a-bug" attitude, this time regarding a security issue

Hello. I am more and more considering finally switching to Devuan for all of my systems. The "not-a-bug" attitude upstream developers, especially Lennart, show in systemd can't handle the process previlege that belongs to user name startswith number, such as 0day #6237

[DNG] Please stop posting random links to hacked web sites

Hi! Okay, I tried to do this off list, but I now found the second occurence of this already: Please do not about every hacked web site you read about. Especially not a link to it. I bet there are tons of web sites hacked each day even if you don´t hear about every single one. And whether this

Re: [DNG] procps

Am Samstag, 4. Juli 2015, 10:40:42 schrieb Fred DC: On 04/07/2015 10:26, Martin Steigerwald wrote: So it seems this is not a *direct* dependency. It may be that some of the dependencies depend on libsystemd0. So it is: libprocps4 depends on libsystemd0 *yikes*, I missed this one, as I

Re: [DNG] Linus answers a question about systemd

On Wednesday 01 July 2015 21:21:46 Aldemir Akpinar wrote: It's the second question: http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/06/30/0058243/interviews-linus-torvalds -answers-your-question?utm_source=feedly1.0mainlinkanonutm_medium=feed Linus describes personality issues around how to handle bug

Re: [Dng] OT: separate GUI from commands

Am Donnerstag, 28. Mai 2015, 23:58:55 schrieb Jude Nelson: Just imagine the possibilities if Powerpoint gave you access to an environment like that! It didn't occur to me when I wrote my original email, but it turns out Powerpoint can be scripted with VBA. So can Libreoffice (it supports

[Dng] How about KDE/Plasma? (was: Re: Everyone's favorite seasoning: Cinnamon)

Am Freitag, 29. Mai 2015, 20:14:51 schrieb Jaret Cantu: Just did a systemd-free build of Cinnaminnaminnamon this morning and... Shutdown instead Logs Out. Like, not even a modal to pop up with grayed-out buttons like a misconfigured XFCE: it just logs you out. It looks like instead of the

[Dng] Two more reasons for Devuan

Hi! Here are two more reasons for Devuan: Bug 1213778 - drops into emergency mode without any error message if it cannot find a filesystem in /etc/fstab https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1213778 Bug 1213781 - does not start ssh service if a filesystem in /etc/fstab cannot be mounted

Re: [Dng] dev-list

Am Mittwoch, 8. April 2015, 08:09:14 schrieb Robert Storey: Good point. But I thought the reason for the suggestion was because of the amount of fairly useless chatter on this list that the devs have to wade through. (Honestly, it annoys me too.) If there is a -dev list, I

Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

Am Sonntag, 5. April 2015, 18:37:23 schrieb T.J. Duchene: -Original Message- From: Renaud (Ron) OLGIATI [mailto:ren...@olgiati-in-paraguay.org] Sent: Saturday, April 4, 2015 5:34 PM To: dng@lists.dyne.org Subject: Re: [Dng] Too many man pages, too much complicated : systemd

Re: [Dng] Another reason of why I am considering Devuan

Am Freitag, 3. April 2015, 10:35:45 schrieb Martin Steigerwald: That said, the fallback DNS is only used if no other DNS is configured. Which IMHO is quite unusually. I think not even then, cause I think systemd-resolved is not used, unless activated and configured to be used in nsswitch.conf

Re: [Dng] This has GOT to be an April Fools joke

Am Montag, 30. März 2015, 12:38:37 schrieb Steve Litt: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 06:25:27 -0500 Nate Bargmann n...@n0nb.us wrote: Is this really happening? Now it appears as though the systemd developers have found a solution to kernel compatibility problems and a way to extend their

[Dng] Claim your power

Hi! As a honest feedback: Currently I do not read much of the threads here. Cause again and again I see language like systemd being like a cancer or infecting people´s systems. It is neither a cancer, nor does it infect systems. What this kind of language mirrors in my eyes is fear of having

Re: [Dng] Claim your power

Hi Jörg, Am Dienstag, 31. März 2015, 10:40:14 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: On Tue 31 March 2015 10:10:28 Martin Steigerwald wrote: So here is my plea to stay to what you actually *really* perceive. Stop assuming intentions. Especially stop assuming bad intentions. I think that systemd

Re: [Dng] Claim your power

Am Dienstag, 31. März 2015, 11:11:31 schrieb Joerg Reisenweber: On Tue 31 March 2015 09:59:48 Damien Hunter wrote: Selfish in what way exactly? maybe in a way where they put their own priorities on top and ruthlessly follow them, no matter if that breaks stuff for a lot or even majority

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