Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Tabbed notebook bar will no longer be experimental with 6.2 release

2018-11-13 Thread Olivier Hallot
Hi Dan, all

Em 13/11/2018 15:06, Dan Lewis escreveu:
> +1 I have not done any work using the notebook bar so I have no idea
> how this will work. I also notice that Help for 6.2 Alpha1 does not
> have the menu entries correct. View > Toolbar Layout does not exist.
> It should be View > User Interface.
>
> Dan

All documentation produced for the guides on the Notebook Bar will be
shared "two way" with the Help pages on the subject.

The gaps between the software and the Help pages are being tackled,
although it's a chasing game.

@all: If you want to produce help pages just staying in the Contents
side and not on the "XML programmer" side, have a look at this welcome page:

https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/join-the-documentation-team/update-help-contents/

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Draft Proposal for a 6.x Guides Template

2018-11-13 Thread Dave Barton
Hi Cathy,

Thanks, your comments and observations are much appreciated.

It's getting late here and I need a bit of time to accurately formulate
my replies, so I will answer in the next 12-18 hours.

Regards
Dave


On 13.11.2018 03:50, Cathy Crumbley wrote:
> Hi Dave,
>
> Your revision of the template is quite helpful. Some of my thoughts
> follow below.
>
> Cathy
>
> On 11/5/2018 4:55 PM, Dave Barton wrote:
>> Another "little" LO Documentation task I set for myself over the weekend
>> was to draft a proposal for a template for the 6.x series guides, which
>> I have now completed and uploaded to:
>> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/f/81381
>>
>> Basically my draft is only an adaptation of Jean's original LO6.0
>> template. My draft is liberally scattered with comments, some in
>> response to Jean's original comments.
>>
>> So what changes are proposed? The  main points are:
>>
>>    * The question of image anchoring within a frame remains open. It may
>>  be that we have a need for 2 different anchors for electronically
>>  published chapters/guides and another for (Lulu) paper printed
>> guides.
>
> We should agree on how to handle this. I suggest talking about this
> Wednesday.
>
>>
>>    * Wherever possible I have used "Document Properties" and other
>> fields
>>  to automate the updating of documents.
>>
>>    * In 2 of Jean's original comments, she makes valid
>> recommendations to
>>  have additional character styles (LOMenu Path and LOKeystroke) for
>>  the possible requirement of style changes in future guides. I
>>  propose removing these additional styles because our documentation
>>  revision time frame does not really justify these extra styles and
>>  they only serve to complicate guide style formatting and confuse
>>  contributors as to when and which style to use. For a little
>>  simplification, I am proposing these character styles be removed
>> and
>>  the identical default "*Strong Emphasis*" and "/Emphasis/"
>> styles be
>>  used instead.
>
> I wonder about eliminating the Keystroke and MenuPath styles. This is
> for two reasons:
>
> 1. While you are concerned about adding those styles, the guides are
>    already using them. My understanding is that AltSearch does not find
>    character styles, so changing those styles could be time consuming.
> 2. As I believe Jean has mentioned, eliminating these two character
>    styles (by replacing them with Emphasis and Strong Emphasis, which
>    it sounds like have the same properties) prevents them from being
>    used in a future redesign.
>
> Perhaps I don't understand well enough why you propose eliminating
> these styles. Do you see clear benefits to reducing the number of styles?
>>
>>    * Our current guides give little information to the reader about the
>>  content/layout of the chapter/guide, So I have inserted a new
>>  section, which includes macOS/other OS key equivalents, moving it
>>  fro the "Copyright" page. Here I leave it to contributors to decide
>>  what Information might be most useful to readers in understanding
>>  what the chapter content/layout provides, although it might be that
>>  we could create some kind of boilerplate outline to be used.
>
> I imagine that most people look at the guides for help with particular
> issues. From looking at the table of contents, they can see what is
> contained in each chapter.
> Thus, I am not sure that there is a need for more introductory
> information at the beginning of a chapter.
>
>   * For the benefit of seriously color vision impaired people (like
>     myself) I have changed the background and text color of the
>     "Caution" heading. To you color vision perfect folks who find this
>     change glaringly obnoxious, I say do what I have to do every day,
>     "/live with it/".
>
> I think the Caution heading looks fine.
>
> by the way, when I initially downloaded the document from Nextcloud,
> the orange background of the Caution banner was not visible, so the
> yellow text was not readable. I just tried it again and the orange
> banner is visible. Perhaps this was a LOO glitch.
>
>  * Jean's original comment proposed increasing the Numbering styles
>     beyond 3 levels. Checking through previous guides I can find no
>     evidence of where we have needed or used numbering levels beyond
>     level 3. My proposal is not to add more levels.
>
> I am not clear about what Jean was referring to when she indicated
> that list numbering should be revised.
>
> Where possible, I have cut back on the numbering/bullet levels, as I
> think they are sometimes not needed and make the text look cluttered.
> I am not sure that there is a need to add more levels.
>
>  * Jean's original comment proposed that we describe various levels for
>     "Mixed Lists". Again, after checking through previous guides I can
>     find no evidence of where we have needed or used mixed lists. My
>     proposal is to not 

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Tabbed notebook bar will no longer be experimental with 6.2 release

2018-11-13 Thread Dave Barton
Hi Drew,

I don't think you have totally misstated the situation. From what I
read, there is still much discussion and debate about what is the best
way to provide institutional administrators with options to control this
(and other) features.

Thanks for keeping us posted.

Dave


On 13.11.2018 17:33, Drew Jensen wrote:
> I may have misstated the situation for institutional users. Will need to
> follow up on that with folks in the Dev/UX world to check that.
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 12:04 PM Drew Jensen 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> From what I gathered there will be only one of those enabled. Which is, on
>> the list, 'Tabbed'. The others will remain as experimental.
>>
>> This means that for individual users after either a fresh install, or an
>> upgrade, the old standard toolbars will be selected as the default
>> interface, but now every user will have the option to make the Tabbed
>> Notebook bar their default interface.
>>
>> For institutional users it can be a bit different. In many of these cases
>> an network administrator handles installs and updates and could set the new
>> Tabbed interface for all users. Here a new hire after the change may not
>> even realize the old standard toolbars are available.
>>
>> So, my first thought about handling it in 6.2 might be to go the route of
>> yet another appendix.
>>
>>
>>
>> For inst
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 11:47 AM Dave Barton 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 13.11.2018 13:43, Drew Jensen wrote:
 Howdy all,

 With the decision to bring the tabbed notebook bar from experimental to
>>> a
 standard feature I suppose the question becomes:
 What, if anything, does this mean for the user guides?

 For those that may not know, when the user chooses to use the notebook
>>> bar
 it will replace the standard toolbars in all (almost all) components in
>>> the
 application.

 Thoughts?

 Best wishes,

 Drew
>>> Just one difference, many times more work for documentation, because we
>>> will have to cover:
>>>
>>>   * Standard Toolbar
>>>   * Single Toolbar
>>>   * Contextual groups
>>>   * Contextual Single
>>>   * Tabbed
>>>   * Tabbed Compact
>>>   * Groupedbar
>>>   * Groupedbar Compact
>>>
>>> Fine for the refugees from MS, but we have to document all this for the
>>> uninitiated.
>>>
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Tabbed notebook bar will no longer be experimental with 6.2 release

2018-11-13 Thread Drew Jensen
I may have misstated the situation for institutional users. Will need to
follow up on that with folks in the Dev/UX world to check that.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 12:04 PM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Hi Dave,
>
> From what I gathered there will be only one of those enabled. Which is, on
> the list, 'Tabbed'. The others will remain as experimental.
>
> This means that for individual users after either a fresh install, or an
> upgrade, the old standard toolbars will be selected as the default
> interface, but now every user will have the option to make the Tabbed
> Notebook bar their default interface.
>
> For institutional users it can be a bit different. In many of these cases
> an network administrator handles installs and updates and could set the new
> Tabbed interface for all users. Here a new hire after the change may not
> even realize the old standard toolbars are available.
>
> So, my first thought about handling it in 6.2 might be to go the route of
> yet another appendix.
>
>
>
> For inst
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 11:47 AM Dave Barton 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 13.11.2018 13:43, Drew Jensen wrote:
>> > Howdy all,
>> >
>> > With the decision to bring the tabbed notebook bar from experimental to
>> a
>> > standard feature I suppose the question becomes:
>> > What, if anything, does this mean for the user guides?
>> >
>> > For those that may not know, when the user chooses to use the notebook
>> bar
>> > it will replace the standard toolbars in all (almost all) components in
>> the
>> > application.
>> >
>> > Thoughts?
>> >
>> > Best wishes,
>> >
>> > Drew
>>
>> Just one difference, many times more work for documentation, because we
>> will have to cover:
>>
>>   * Standard Toolbar
>>   * Single Toolbar
>>   * Contextual groups
>>   * Contextual Single
>>   * Tabbed
>>   * Tabbed Compact
>>   * Groupedbar
>>   * Groupedbar Compact
>>
>> Fine for the refugees from MS, but we have to document all this for the
>> uninitiated.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Tabbed notebook bar will no longer be experimental with 6.2 release

2018-11-13 Thread Dave Barton

On 13.11.2018 17:06, Dan Lewis wrote:
>
> On 11/13/18 11:47 AM, Dave Barton wrote:
>> On 13.11.2018 13:43, Drew Jensen wrote:
>>> Howdy all,
>>>
>>> With the decision to bring the tabbed notebook bar from experimental
>>> to a
>>> standard feature I suppose the question becomes:
>>> What, if anything, does this mean for the user guides?
>>>
>>> For those that may not know, when the user chooses to use the
>>> notebook bar
>>> it will replace the standard toolbars in all (almost all) components
>>> in the
>>> application.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Drew
>> Just one difference, many times more work for documentation, because we
>> will have to cover:
>>
>>    * Standard Toolbar
>>    * Single Toolbar
>>    * Contextual groups
>>    * Contextual Single
>>    * Tabbed
>>    * Tabbed Compact
>>    * Groupedbar
>>    * Groupedbar Compact
>>
>> Fine for the refugees from MS, but we have to document all this for the
>> uninitiated.
>>
>> Dave
>
> +1 I have not done any work using the notebook bar so I have no idea
> how this will work. I also notice that Help for 6.2 Alpha1 does not
> have the menu entries correct. View > Toolbar Layout does not exist.
> It should be View > User Interface.
>
> Dan

Hi Dan,

You are correct about the current nightly not having the menu entry.
According to the developer commits it will appear in the nightly build
within the next 24-48 hours.

Also, as Drew posted, the "Tabbed" option will be the only one available
in the standard menu.

Regards
Dave


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Tabbed notebook bar will no longer be experimental with 6.2 release

2018-11-13 Thread Dan Lewis


On 11/13/18 11:47 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

On 13.11.2018 13:43, Drew Jensen wrote:

Howdy all,

With the decision to bring the tabbed notebook bar from experimental to a
standard feature I suppose the question becomes:
What, if anything, does this mean for the user guides?

For those that may not know, when the user chooses to use the notebook bar
it will replace the standard toolbars in all (almost all) components in the
application.

Thoughts?

Best wishes,

Drew

Just one difference, many times more work for documentation, because we
will have to cover:

   * Standard Toolbar
   * Single Toolbar
   * Contextual groups
   * Contextual Single
   * Tabbed
   * Tabbed Compact
   * Groupedbar
   * Groupedbar Compact

Fine for the refugees from MS, but we have to document all this for the
uninitiated.

Dave


+1 I have not done any work using the notebook bar so I have no idea how 
this will work. I also notice that Help for 6.2 Alpha1 does not have the 
menu entries correct. View > Toolbar Layout does not exist. It should be 
View > User Interface.


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Tabbed notebook bar will no longer be experimental with 6.2 release

2018-11-13 Thread Drew Jensen
Hi Dave,

From what I gathered there will be only one of those enabled. Which is, on
the list, 'Tabbed'. The others will remain as experimental.

This means that for individual users after either a fresh install, or an
upgrade, the old standard toolbars will be selected as the default
interface, but now every user will have the option to make the Tabbed
Notebook bar their default interface.

For institutional users it can be a bit different. In many of these cases
an network administrator handles installs and updates and could set the new
Tabbed interface for all users. Here a new hire after the change may not
even realize the old standard toolbars are available.

So, my first thought about handling it in 6.2 might be to go the route of
yet another appendix.



For inst

On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 11:47 AM Dave Barton  wrote:

>
> On 13.11.2018 13:43, Drew Jensen wrote:
> > Howdy all,
> >
> > With the decision to bring the tabbed notebook bar from experimental to a
> > standard feature I suppose the question becomes:
> > What, if anything, does this mean for the user guides?
> >
> > For those that may not know, when the user chooses to use the notebook
> bar
> > it will replace the standard toolbars in all (almost all) components in
> the
> > application.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> > Drew
>
> Just one difference, many times more work for documentation, because we
> will have to cover:
>
>   * Standard Toolbar
>   * Single Toolbar
>   * Contextual groups
>   * Contextual Single
>   * Tabbed
>   * Tabbed Compact
>   * Groupedbar
>   * Groupedbar Compact
>
> Fine for the refugees from MS, but we have to document all this for the
> uninitiated.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Tabbed notebook bar will no longer be experimental with 6.2 release

2018-11-13 Thread Dave Barton

On 13.11.2018 13:43, Drew Jensen wrote:
> Howdy all,
>
> With the decision to bring the tabbed notebook bar from experimental to a
> standard feature I suppose the question becomes:
> What, if anything, does this mean for the user guides?
>
> For those that may not know, when the user chooses to use the notebook bar
> it will replace the standard toolbars in all (almost all) components in the
> application.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew

Just one difference, many times more work for documentation, because we
will have to cover:

  * Standard Toolbar
  * Single Toolbar
  * Contextual groups
  * Contextual Single
  * Tabbed
  * Tabbed Compact
  * Groupedbar
  * Groupedbar Compact

Fine for the refugees from MS, but we have to document all this for the
uninitiated.

Dave



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Tabbed notebook bar will no longer be experimental with 6.2 release

2018-11-13 Thread Drew Jensen
Sorry for double posting.

So, for 6.2 the default will still be the standard toolbars as they are
today, but the user will have the option of using the new UI components
without having to enable experimental features.

On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 11:22 AM Drew Jensen 
wrote:

> Howdy Cathy,
>
> The code change making them standard was checked into the source just
> today, after the decision to move forward last week.
>
> The change will appear in the daily build binaries tomorrow or the next
> day.
>
> BTW, There is also a fair bit of talk about making this change the default
> interface, however, IF that happens it will not change for a few more
> releases. (at least that is what I take away from the discussion so far.)
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 11:09 AM Cathy Crumbley 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Drew,
>>
>> I am not clear about why it is considered standard. It appears that
>> experimental features still need to be enabled.
>>
>> If it will be a standard feature, then it should be mentioned in Chapter
>> 1. Since it will not be the default view, it seems like that should be
>> enough.
>>
>> Cathy
>> On 11/13/2018 8:43 AM, Drew Jensen wrote:
>>
>> Howdy all,
>>
>> With the decision to bring the tabbed notebook bar from experimental to a
>> standard feature I suppose the question becomes:
>> What, if anything, does this mean for the user guides?
>>
>> For those that may not know, when the user chooses to use the notebook bar
>> it will replace the standard toolbars in all (almost all) components in the
>> application.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Drew
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Tabbed notebook bar will no longer be experimental with 6.2 release

2018-11-13 Thread Drew Jensen
Howdy Cathy,

The code change making them standard was checked into the source just
today, after the decision to move forward last week.

The change will appear in the daily build binaries tomorrow or the next day.

BTW, There is also a fair bit of talk about making this change the default
interface, however, IF that happens it will not change for a few more
releases. (at least that is what I take away from the discussion so far.)


On Tue, Nov 13, 2018 at 11:09 AM Cathy Crumbley  wrote:

> Hi Drew,
>
> I am not clear about why it is considered standard. It appears that
> experimental features still need to be enabled.
>
> If it will be a standard feature, then it should be mentioned in Chapter
> 1. Since it will not be the default view, it seems like that should be
> enough.
>
> Cathy
> On 11/13/2018 8:43 AM, Drew Jensen wrote:
>
> Howdy all,
>
> With the decision to bring the tabbed notebook bar from experimental to a
> standard feature I suppose the question becomes:
> What, if anything, does this mean for the user guides?
>
> For those that may not know, when the user chooses to use the notebook bar
> it will replace the standard toolbars in all (almost all) components in the
> application.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Drew
>
>
>

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Tabbed notebook bar will no longer be experimental with 6.2 release

2018-11-13 Thread Cathy Crumbley

Hi Drew,

I am not clear about why it is considered standard. It appears that 
experimental features still need to be enabled.


If it will be a standard feature, then it should be mentioned in Chapter 
1. Since it will not be the default view, it seems like that should be 
enough.


Cathy

On 11/13/2018 8:43 AM, Drew Jensen wrote:

Howdy all,

With the decision to bring the tabbed notebook bar from experimental to a
standard feature I suppose the question becomes:
What, if anything, does this mean for the user guides?

For those that may not know, when the user chooses to use the notebook bar
it will replace the standard toolbars in all (almost all) components in the
application.

Thoughts?

Best wishes,

Drew



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Indexing Clarification Needed

2018-11-13 Thread Cathy Crumbley

oops. I meant to say that I am *NOT* questioning the rationale.

On 11/13/2018 10:20 AM, Cathy Crumbley wrote:


Hi Martin,

I understand the need and certainly want to make sure that your needs 
are met. I am questioning the rationale.


Rather, I am just trying to understand how it works. Specifically:

 1. How does simply clicking before a word or phrase rather than
selecting it give the result you want? What is the difference in
what is produced?
 2. Does LibreOffice still grab neighboring words rather than the
specific word or phrase we write in the Insert Index Entry dialog?
It sounds like a bug that should be addressed at some point. It
also does not sound like a difficult issue to fix. If it has not
been addressed, has a bug report been filed?

Thank you.

Cathy

On 11/13/2018 2:27 AM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Hi,

what Milos is asking for is important for all languges with 
inflection etc.


Whereas in English it will always be a "document", in those other 
languages the translated text will show different inflected word 
forms, and those are not appropriate for automatic index creation 
(because index will not contain a single entry but several different 
entries for the same term, which kind of makes index useless).


Probably embedded means index entries that have a different index 
value (basic dictionary word form) than the in-text shown value 
(inflicted, plural, etc. ).


So even if this work seems redundant for English, it is necessary for 
other languages (Slavic languages, German etc.) to enable a usable 
index in the translared guides.


Lp, m.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Indexing Clarification Needed

2018-11-13 Thread Cathy Crumbley

Hi Martin,

I understand the need and certainly want to make sure that your needs 
are met. I am questioning the rationale.


Rather, I am just trying to understand how it works. Specifically:

1. How does simply clicking before a word or phrase rather than
   selecting it give the result you want? What is the difference in
   what is produced?
2. Does LibreOffice still grab neighboring words rather than the
   specific word or phrase we write in the Insert Index Entry dialog?
   It sounds like a bug that should be addressed at some point. It also
   does not sound like a difficult issue to fix. If it has not been
   addressed, has a bug report been filed?

Thank you.

Cathy

On 11/13/2018 2:27 AM, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Hi,

what Milos is asking for is important for all languges with inflection 
etc.


Whereas in English it will always be a "document", in those other 
languages the translated text will show different inflected word 
forms, and those are not appropriate for automatic index creation 
(because index will not contain a single entry but several different 
entries for the same term, which kind of makes index useless).


Probably embedded means index entries that have a different index 
value (basic dictionary word form) than the in-text shown value 
(inflicted, plural, etc. ).


So even if this work seems redundant for English, it is necessary for 
other languages (Slavic languages, German etc.) to enable a usable 
index in the translared guides.


Lp, m.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes and fixes in Nextcloud for ODFAuthors

2018-11-13 Thread Olivier Hallot
Hi Luca

Em 12/11/2018 22:48, Luca Daghino @ Libero escreveu:
> And... while trying to login to NextCloud right now, I'm forwarded to
> this page:
>
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/user_saml/saml/acs

Can you contact hostmaster at thedocumentfoundation dot org explaining
the issue?

Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Changes and fixes in Nextcloud for ODFAuthors

2018-11-13 Thread Dave Barton

On 13.11.2018 00:48, Luca Daghino @ Libero wrote:
> Il 05/11/2018 17:21, Olivier Hallot ha scritto:
>> Hello fellow Authors
>>
>> This weekend we worked to fix the NextCloud service for Authors. The
>> issues were a few and all were fixed.
>>
>> * The previous ODFAuthor share was a folder under my user ID and thus
>> was limited in size by the default TDF member storage. We created a
>> group folder where the limits were increased to a workable condition and
>> similar to the old Plone size.
>>
>> * The existing files were moved from my share to the group folder (now I
>> can breathe !).
>>
>> * Dave Barton is populating the new share with the relevant files picked
>> in the old Plone, reproducing the folder structure of the old file
>> storage.
>>
>> * As decided in the last doc team meeting, the ODFAuthors share was
>> renamed "LibreOffice Documentation" .
>>
>> * Authors interested to join and access LibreOffice Documentation share
>> are invited to ask in this mailing list. I will assign their login to
>> the "odfauthors"  group.
>>
>> * we would like to invite other language communities to join the new
>> LibreOffice Documentation share in NextCloud, as Brazilians, Germans and
>> Turks already did.
>>
>> * Everybody is invited to participate in our documentation team meeting
>> and every Wednesday at 19:00 (Berlin time)
>>
>> Kind regards
>>
> Hello Olivier,
>
> I created the other day a folder for the Italian community in the new
> NextCloud space. Is it possible for you (or infra members) to move
> everything in odfauthors/LibreOffice/Italian to this new folder in
> nextcloud, maybe using scripts?
>
> Or do we have to move all files manually?
>
> And... while trying to login to NextCloud right now, I'm forwarded to
> this page:
>
> https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/user_saml/saml/acs
>
> where I see nothing but 3 buttons on the left (one is JSON)
>
> Thank you! :)

Hi Luca,

I don't believe it is possible to automate the copying over of content
from ODFAuthors to Nextcloud in the way that you would like.

I copied over all the required English content by downloading the files
locally to one of my computers, then uploading them to Nextcloud.
Getting the files from ODFAuthors has to be done one file at a time :( ,
but Nextcloud does allow for (very careful) drag and drop batch
uploading :) .

There appears to be a problem with the redirection of your Nextcloud
login that needs fixing.
Guilhem: Any chance you could help Luca with this?

Regards
Dave



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[libreoffice-documentation] Tabbed notebook bar will no longer be experimental with 6.2 release

2018-11-13 Thread Drew Jensen
Howdy all,

With the decision to bring the tabbed notebook bar from experimental to a
standard feature I suppose the question becomes:
What, if anything, does this mean for the user guides?

For those that may not know, when the user chooses to use the notebook bar
it will replace the standard toolbars in all (almost all) components in the
application.

Thoughts?

Best wishes,

Drew

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