Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Headers and footers

[Dan Lewis]

   There is only one thing missing from your email. How did you try to 
insert a page number? Step by step, what did you do?


Dan

On 2/8/21 12:40 AM, Jack wrote:
There is a beautiful manual created for Libre Office and I have review 
the one on-line for version 6.2, and the hard copy for version 6.4. 
After attempting to put in page number I have never seen anything as 
frustrating as to the numerous attempts I have made. I can put up with 
the jumping around that it does, moving words, inserting new pages, 
and the renumbering  of pages (ie repeating the same page number on 
two consecutive pages.) But cannot there just be a simple method to 
get a consecutive page number on each page. I am not changing styles, 
chapter names, or anything complicated. But it just doesn't seem to 
work for me. I love open source. I am developing a manual for the use 
of open source resources to build a project utilizing numerous open 
source programs. But this is getting out of hand. I know it can be 
accomplished since I see a very creative job of it in the hard copy. I 
chose to believe that the manual was created with Libre Office.


I am using Libre Office, Version: 6.4.6.2
Build ID: 1:6.4.6-0ubuntu0.20.04.1
CPU threads: 8; OS: Linux 5.4; UI render: default; VCL: gtk3;
Locale: en-US (en_US.UTF-8); UI-Language: en-US
Calc: threaded

Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated. It is 
difficult to push open source software when it refuses to perform as 
the author describe. I would tell you that it is driving me insane, 
but it is such a short trip, I prefer to walk.



Thanks,

Jack Boulier




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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Metadata Loss LO 7.1.0.2

[Dan Lewis]

On 1/21/21 7:56 AM, Dave Barton wrote:

Sorry, I meant to send this to the users list.

*From:* Dave Barton [mailto:da...@libreoffice.org]
*Sent:* Thursday, January 21, 2021, 12:50 UTC
*To:* LibreOffice Documentation
*Subject:* [libreoffice-documentation] Metadata Loss LO 7.1.0.2


Version: 7.1.0.2 (x64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 53d68d29d90fd16448721a60aad68c28ff0809f5
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19042; UI render: Skia/Raster;
VCL: win
Locale: en-US (en_US); UI-Language: en-US
Calc: threaded

Before raising a bug report I would like to know if anyone else is
seeing this issue:

* Normally when a new document is created in Writer the Document
Properties Title field is automatically filled with the name of the
template (eg. Default) upon which the document is based.

* Changing the Document Properties Title field in a new or existing
document blanks the field in the saved file.

* Opening the saved file in any other version of LO restores the field
lost in version 7.1.0.2

Thanks
Dave


 When I open an untitled text document, under File > Properties > 
Documents, the title field is empty. This is true for both 7.1.0.2 
Debian and Windows. Where are you finding the term "Default"?


   Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Metadata Loss LO 7.1.0.2

[Dan Lewis]

On 1/21/21 10:45 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:


On 1/21/21 8:51 AM, Rafael Lima wrote:

Hi!

I ran a few tests here using LO 7.2 alpha, nightly (I don't have 7.1 RC2
here):

1) When I create a new document by going to File > New > Text Document
(without choosing a template), the Properties fields are all blank. 
But if

I change them and save the file, all is fine when I reopen it.

2) When I create a new document from a template (say, the Default
template), then the Tile field has the name of the template 
("Default" in
this case). Changing it and saving the file is working without any 
issues.


Let's see if anyone has 7.1 RC2 to test this as well.

Rafael

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 10:44 AM Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> wrote:


On 21.1.2021 14.50, Dave Barton wrote:

Version: 7.1.0.2 (x64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 53d68d29d90fd16448721a60aad68c28ff0809f5
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19042; UI render: Skia/Raster;
VCL: win
Locale: en-US (en_US); UI-Language: en-US
Calc: threaded

Before raising a bug report I would like to know if anyone else is
seeing this issue:

* Normally when a new document is created in Writer the Document
Properties Title field is automatically filled with the name of the
template (eg. Default) upon which the document is based.

* Changing the Document Properties Title field in a new or existing
document blanks the field in the saved file.

* Opening the saved file in any other version of LO restores the field
lost in version 7.1.0.2

Are you sure you are getting "Default" in the title? I only get a
pre-filled title with some template like Modern business letter. Works
fine with 7.2 at least.

Ilmari

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I have installed 7.1.0.2 (Debian). File > Properties > Description.  
In the Title box of a newly created text document, I entered "This is 
a text". I saved and named the document. Then  I opened it in 
7.0.4.2.  I got the same results in the Title box. I added ", but it 
has changed". Finally, I reopened the document using 7.1.0.2. The 
Title box contained "This is a text, but it has changed". I have not 
checked on Windows yet. I will report of this shortly.


Dan


I have now created a new document in Windows using  7.1.0.2 that I had 
just installed. Then I Entered "This is text" (without quotes) in the 
Title box. I clicked OK and same this file to a thumb drive. Then I 
switched back to Ubuntu 20.04. I opened this file on my thumb drive 
using 7.1.0.2 (Debian). What I saw was "This is a text" (again without 
text. Sorry, Dave; I have not had the same problem as you seem to have.


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Metadata Loss LO 7.1.0.2

[Dan Lewis]

On 1/21/21 8:51 AM, Rafael Lima wrote:

Hi!

I ran a few tests here using LO 7.2 alpha, nightly (I don't have 7.1 RC2
here):

1) When I create a new document by going to File > New > Text Document
(without choosing a template), the Properties fields are all blank. But if
I change them and save the file, all is fine when I reopen it.

2) When I create a new document from a template (say, the Default
template), then the Tile field has the name of the template ("Default" in
this case). Changing it and saving the file is working without any issues.

Let's see if anyone has 7.1 RC2 to test this as well.

Rafael

On Thu, Jan 21, 2021 at 10:44 AM Ilmari Lauhakangas <
ilmari.lauhakan...@libreoffice.org> wrote:


On 21.1.2021 14.50, Dave Barton wrote:

Version: 7.1.0.2 (x64) / LibreOffice Community
Build ID: 53d68d29d90fd16448721a60aad68c28ff0809f5
CPU threads: 8; OS: Windows 10.0 Build 19042; UI render: Skia/Raster;
VCL: win
Locale: en-US (en_US); UI-Language: en-US
Calc: threaded

Before raising a bug report I would like to know if anyone else is
seeing this issue:

* Normally when a new document is created in Writer the Document
Properties Title field is automatically filled with the name of the
template (eg. Default) upon which the document is based.

* Changing the Document Properties Title field in a new or existing
document blanks the field in the saved file.

* Opening the saved file in any other version of LO restores the field
lost in version 7.1.0.2

Are you sure you are getting "Default" in the title? I only get a
pre-filled title with some template like Modern business letter. Works
fine with 7.2 at least.

Ilmari

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I have installed 7.1.0.2 (Debian). File > Properties > Description.  In 
the Title box of a newly created text document, I entered "This is a 
text". I saved and named the document. Then  I opened it in 7.0.4.2.  I 
got the same results in the Title box. I added ", but it has changed". 
Finally, I reopened the document using 7.1.0.2. The Title box contained 
"This is a text, but it has changed". I have not checked on Windows yet. 
I will report of this shortly.


Dan



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[libreoffice-documentation] Major problem: LoGuidesStyles.oxt extension

[Dan Lewis]

I use LibreOffice 7.0.0.1 on Ubuntu 20.04 (up to date). After installing 
this extension and then opened a new document in Writer.


  I typed the following sentence with direct formatting of all 
character styles used in it: The sly red fox *jumped* over the lazy 
brown dog. None of these character styles were highlighted.


This time I typed the sentence again. This time I applied the character 
styles for these three words (red, jumped, brown). I got the following 
result when using this extension to highlight character styles.


The sly /red/ fox *jumped* over the lazy /brown/ dog.

This is the opposite of what we want. Direct formatting of character 
styles need to be removed: character styles found in the Style toolbar 
in the Character styles list (right side of the Writer window)are to be 
kept. My firs example should have red, jumped, and brown should have 
been highlighted. In the second example, there should not have been any 
highlighting.


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Producing guides - add a "Cleaned" directory

[Dan Lewis]

Two questions:

1) What are the OS that this will work with?

2) Where are the directions on how to use it?

Dan

On 1/3/21 9:18 AM, Milos Sramek wrote:

Hi Steve,

yes, please, use that file.

I would like to ask you (and anybody else) to help in testing of the
LoGuidesStyles.oxt extension and document cleaning.

The extension is available from
https://github.com/milossramek/translation-scripts/tree/master/odtclean
and it highlights character styles. I created it to be used in manual
style checking, but if used during editing it enables full control over
direct formatting/styles and thus makes additional checking not
necessary. But, maybe, all these colors are disturbing in editing – I
would like to know your opinion on that.

I have written here several times about using the script odtclean.py. It
is, however possible, that it is not necessary to use it at all, since
the Format/Clear Direct Formatting works good enough. I wrote the script
5 years ago because the Clear Direct Formatting command corrupted the
LOGuides documents (mostly lists). I've tested Clear Direct Formatting
on several documents now and it works without problems (I've noticed
just insignificant changes in paragraph spacing in some documents). It
cleans the document nearly as good as the script (does not clean image
captions and does not merge neighboring styles of the same type, but
these are not a problem).

Please, test it, too. One cannot run the command on the whole document
(CTRL-A) – it is necessary to use it in two steps: first on the text
before the table of contents and then on the rest after the table of
contents.

If these two steps work well, the extra cleaning step in the workflow
will not be necessary

thanks
Milos


On 1/2/21 8:58 PM, Steve Fanning wrote:

All,

As discussed at a recent Document Team meeting, I am working on an
update to Chapter 13 of the 7.0 Calc Guide (Calc as a Database).

I have assumed that the best ODT file to start with is the cleaned
version in the folder that Milos identified below
(https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/Shared/SK%20community/Cleaned=322834).

Please advise if this assumption is incorrect!

Regards,

Steve


On 28/12/2020 16:34, Milos Sramek wrote:

Hi Olivier and all,
now that CG70 and MG70 are published I have cleaned the documents
manually and by the script. You can find the archives in
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/apps/files/?dir=/Shared/SK%20community/Cleaned=322834


I suggest to replace the chapter files in the Published directory by
their cleaned versions without producing the full odt and pdf book.
Thus, the next version will start from the cleaned document.
If you agree, I will replace them.

I've created a simple extension, which highlights the character styles
used in the guides:
https://github.com/milossramek/translation-scripts/tree/master/odtclean
https://github.com/milossramek/translation-scripts/blob/master/odtclean/LOGuidesStyles.oxt


If highlighted, an author can see if styles are really used instead of
direct formatting - in that case additional manual cleaning would not be
necessary and it would be sufficient only to run the script. I suggest
then to produce the cleaned files after publishing the guide.

To summarize, I suggest to include two additional steps to the Producing
LO Guides document
- for authors: use the extension and use the character styles
consistently
- for a specific person (me for now): to run the script after publishing
the guide and to replace the chapter files in the published directory

Milos

On 12/17/20 8:55 PM, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hi Milos, All

Em 17/12/2020 16:41, Milos Sramek escreveu:

Hi,

I suggest to include file cleaning in the workflow. In cleaning one
removes direct formatting, which is necessary for translation.
Currently
I do that after a guide is published - the cleaned files can be found
here:

https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/index.php/apps/files?dir=/Shared/SK%20community/Cleaned


The current problem is that nobody knows about them and a new
version of
a guide starts from an uncleaned version in the Published and thus I
have to repeat the laborious manual cleaning part again an again.

BTW, last time I tried odtclean.py in my Linux box it failed, something
related to python version. Actually, is it still of use?


My suggestion is to add another step after step 7 in the "How to
publish
a chapter" section (page 15, 2 - Producing LO Guides.odt): a "Cleaned"
directory, the contents of which will then be used to start a next
version of the guide. I will then produce the cleaned files.


I think the cleaned files should be the published files. In other
words,
only publish cleaned files.

Olivier



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Illustrations used in user guides

[Dan Lewis]

What I do is use Draw to combine text and a screenshot. Next group the 
two. With a right click, this can be converted to bitmap. Next save as 
an image (PNG).


Dan

On 12/15/20 06:14, Peter Schofield wrote:

Hello

A review comment raised by Rafael about illustrations.

Are we going to store all the illustrations used in user guide chapters in 
NextCloud?
This could create storage space problems on NextCloud as illustrations do take 
a lot of storage space.

If we are storing illustrations in NextCloud, do we store PNG and ODG format? 
PNG format is the best to use, but ODG format is needed if text has been added 
to a screenshot.

Would appreciate a prompt answer so I make changes to Chapter 2 Producing LO 
Guides.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com






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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO 7 Impress indents

[Dan Lewis]

This is located in the Contributor Resources folder

Dan

On 12/8/20 10:43, Paul Sutton wrote:

On 08/12/2020 15:18, Peter Schofield wrote:

Hello Paul

Version 7.0 of the Impress Guide will be available shortly. I am just 
waiting for reviews of the chapters and I can then publish the user 
guide.


In Impress there are Presentation styles and Drawing styles.

Presentation styles cannot be deleted or renamed and are used when 
you create slides using one of the Impress layouts. However, you can 
modify the style to suit your requirements.Impress layouts use 
AutoLayout text boxes.


Drawing styles are a little more flexible as you can create new ones. 
Drawing styles are used when you create a text box using the Insert 
Text Box on the Standard toolbar or the keyboard shortcut F2.
You cannot delete the drawing styles that are part of the Impress 
installation, but you can modify them.


Not sure what you mean with parent item 1 and so on.
Presentation styles are used for Outline styles and the default 
format is for bullet points. They go from Outline 1 to Outline 9.

Is this what you mean by parent item 1?

To create another line without creating another bullet (outline) 
point, use Shift+Enter when dealing with Presentation styles. The 
indent of the line is the same as the bullet point, but there is no 
actual bullet point. This is the same as creating a line break 
instead of a new paragraph.


Working with text, you need the Text Formatting toolbar or the 
options available in Format on the main menu bar. If the Text 
Formatting toolbar does not appear when working with text, go to View 
> Toolbars on the main menu bar and select Text Formatting.


Let me know if this helps you.
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com


Hi Peter

Fixed the issue with text formatting box

By parent bullet point I mean the first bullet point in a list or the 
2nd the parent is the one that is directly before an indented bullet 
point


sorry I *do not know* the correct terminology for all this.  To me 
they are bullet points with some points indented further if they are 
related to the one above (hence i was calling the parent bullet point) 
in a similar way you have a parent - > child processes on Linux.




I will try the ctrl-enter thing later.


Paul



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LO 7 Impress indents

[Dan Lewis]

Paul:

   Are you using styles when you do this? The Presentation styles 
include title, subtitle, and Outline. It is the latter that you need to 
use to properly  format your presentation. I have a file which you could 
see how this works. (It was made  when OpenOffice 2.0 first came out, 
but it still has the basics. I can upload it to the NextCloud if you 
want to download it for whatever use you find for it.


Dan

On 12/8/20 10:43, Paul Sutton wrote:

On 08/12/2020 15:18, Peter Schofield wrote:

Hello Paul

Version 7.0 of the Impress Guide will be available shortly. I am just 
waiting for reviews of the chapters and I can then publish the user 
guide.


In Impress there are Presentation styles and Drawing styles.

Presentation styles cannot be deleted or renamed and are used when 
you create slides using one of the Impress layouts. However, you can 
modify the style to suit your requirements.Impress layouts use 
AutoLayout text boxes.


Drawing styles are a little more flexible as you can create new ones. 
Drawing styles are used when you create a text box using the Insert 
Text Box on the Standard toolbar or the keyboard shortcut F2.
You cannot delete the drawing styles that are part of the Impress 
installation, but you can modify them.


Not sure what you mean with parent item 1 and so on.
Presentation styles are used for Outline styles and the default 
format is for bullet points. They go from Outline 1 to Outline 9.

Is this what you mean by parent item 1?

To create another line without creating another bullet (outline) 
point, use Shift+Enter when dealing with Presentation styles. The 
indent of the line is the same as the bullet point, but there is no 
actual bullet point. This is the same as creating a line break 
instead of a new paragraph.


Working with text, you need the Text Formatting toolbar or the 
options available in Format on the main menu bar. If the Text 
Formatting toolbar does not appear when working with text, go to View 
> Toolbars on the main menu bar and select Text Formatting.


Let me know if this helps you.
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com


Hi Peter

Fixed the issue with text formatting box

By parent bullet point I mean the first bullet point in a list or the 
2nd the parent is the one that is directly before an indented bullet 
point


sorry I *do not know* the correct terminology for all this.  To me 
they are bullet points with some points indented further if they are 
related to the one above (hence i was calling the parent bullet point) 
in a similar way you have a parent - > child processes on Linux.




I will try the ctrl-enter thing later.


Paul



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[libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice 7.04 Base Help update

[Dan Lewis]

   Oliver: This is the first version of Base that can use the native 
connector to reach a MySQL database. To do so, the Authentication t Type 
must be: cashing_sha2_password. It cannot be done with this type: 
Standard. This is true for 7.04. Presently, it works well with 7.0.4.1 
which is a pre-release version.



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Tech support on Double line spacing

[Dan Lewis]

Double line spacing is one of the parameters in paragraph styles (the 
Indent and Spacing tab). To make it permanent, it has to be made in the 
default  template. This should be explained in the Writer Guide.


Dan

On 11/30/20 16:18, Paul Sutton wrote:

Hi, All

Not sure if anyone can help with this please.  I was on IRC Monday 30/11
Was asked about double line spacing, but this user wants to set this 
on a permanent basis,


I had a look under tools --> options but was unable to find anything 
to set this.


So questions

a) Is this possible, set spacing to which ever option so it then 
becomes a new default

b) If NOT then is it possible to add this as an option?.


Thanks

Paul Sutton


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Thesaurus for USA or UK English

[Dan Lewis]

Strange. this option is available on my version of LibreOffice (7.0.3.1 
Debian) downloaded from the pre-release list. I also have installed 
7.1.0.0 Alpha+ daily build (11-11-2020). It also has this option 
(Control+F7) available.


   But I also noticed something. When I first opened a new 
presentation, Control+F7 was greyed out. Only when I Entered text in a 
box onto the first slide and then clicked on it, did this option become 
available. One of the words I entered was jumped. I was shown 20 
synonyms of this word. Could this be your problem? Are you using a 
distribution other than Debian?


Dan

On 11/20/20 09:35, Peter Schofield wrote:

Hello Dan

I have both UK and US English languages installed.
My Thes Thesaurus is selected in Tools > Options > Language Settings > Writing 
Aids.

The option Tools>Thesaurus is greyed out in Impress and I have just found out 
that Thesaurus is available in Writer.
I can only assume that the LO programmers assumed that Impress does not need a 
thesaurus. To me, that is an oversight and a thesaurus should be available.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com




On 20 Nov 2020, at 15:13, Dan Lewis  wrote:

Tools > Options > Language Settings > Writing Aids > Available language 
modules.  At the bottom of this list should be MyThes Thesaurus. It should be checked if 
you want to use LibreOffice's thesaurus for your language.

A language pack contains spell checking, hyphenation, thesaurus, and one 
more thing I have just forgotten. After installation of LO 7.0.1.x these can be 
found at libreoffice4/share/extensions/(your language)/.  In my case it is 
dict-en. This particular folder contains the files for several English 
languages, i.e., both UK and US.

Dan

On 11/20/20 06:26, Peter Schofield wrote:

Can anyone tell me if there is a thesaurus for LibreOffice in USA and/or UK 
English languages?

There is a function for a thesaurus in the Tools menu and there is a keyboard 
shortcut for a thesaurus.

If these functions are available then the thesaurus should be available.

Regards
Peter Schofield
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Thesaurus for USA or UK English

[Dan Lewis]

   Tools > Options > Language Settings > Writing Aids > Available 
language modules.  At the bottom of this list should be MyThes 
Thesaurus. It should be checked if you want to use LibreOffice's 
thesaurus for your language.


   A language pack contains spell checking, hyphenation, thesaurus, and 
one more thing I have just forgotten. After installation of LO 7.0.1.x 
these can be found at libreoffice4/share/extensions/(your language)/.  
In my case it is dict-en. This particular folder contains the files for 
several English languages, i.e., both UK and US.


Dan

On 11/20/20 06:26, Peter Schofield wrote:

Can anyone tell me if there is a thesaurus for LibreOffice in USA and/or UK 
English languages?

There is a function for a thesaurus in the Tools menu and there is a keyboard 
shortcut for a thesaurus.

If these functions are available then the thesaurus should be available.

Regards
Peter Schofield
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Need help applying styles

[Dan Lewis]

   Have you read the Getting Started with Styles chapter (in the 
Getting Started Guide)? There are two important chapters in the Writer 
Guide as well.


    It looks like your problem is that you use copy (Control+C) and 
paste (Control +V). Doing this will paste unwanted styles into the new 
document. What you should be using is copy and paste special unformatted 
text (Control Shift+Alt+V). Doing this will apply the style that already 
exists in the position where you want to paste your text, table, 
graphic, etc.


Dan

On 11/9/20 07:54, Rafael Lima wrote:

Hi Team,

I am currently working with the Getting Started with Math chapter. However,
I am having a lot of trouble applying styles to this document.

Because this guide consists of copying and pasting some paragraphs from the
Math Guide, when I paste text into the document the pasted paragraph
inherits a different style than the one that was previously there. To fix
that, I select the pasted text and apply the style I want, for example
"Text Body". The problem is that the style has no effect on the document.
If I double click the style, it simply doesn't get applied to the selected
text. This has happened many times in this document.

I attached the file I'm working on now. On page 18, the first paragraph in
the "Writing derivatives" section is using the style "Definition Term", but
I want to change it to "Body Text". No matter what I do, I cannot apply the
desired style to this paragraph. I tried using 2 different machines and
operating systems, but the problem is still there.

I am using LO 7.0.3. Can anybody help me?

Rafael Lima



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] ToC - formatting problem with styles

[Dan Lewis]

On 10/28/20 07:14, Peter Schofield wrote:

I am compiling a book from chapters in the Impress Guide and have come across a 
formatting problem with the styles in the Table of Contents.

The Contents 1 style is assigned Liberation Sans 12pt Bold and is set to 
display the Title style from a chapter. The resulting ToC has a formatting 
error in the Contents 1 style.
The 1st part of the text is correct, that is the chapter number displayed as 
Chapter 1.
The 2nd part of this style displays the chapter title, for example Introducing 
Impress. The text is formatted as Bold Italic, which is incorrect. It should be 
Bold, the same as the chapter number.

Is this a bug in LO Writer or a bug in the template? I do favour a bug in 
Writer.

I have come across this problem before when I have included the Heading 3 style 
into the ToC. This style is Bold Italic in the chapter, but is set to Regular 
in the ToC. However, sometimes the text for this ToC entry comes out partially 
italic, for example, Available toolsets or Available toolsets.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com


At first glance, I thought there is either direct formatting or a 
character style had been applied. However, I have since noticed another 
possibility: the style for Title. It is italic. Seemingly this has been 
applied to the Bold style for Content 1. What happens if you remove the 
display of the Title style?


Why would you want to include the Heading 3 style in the Toc? I thought 
the Toc is suppose to use one of the Contents styles only and no 
character styles either.


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Question: Direct Formatting documentation?

[Dan Lewis]

Using direct formatting is a left over from using a typewriter to create 
text. It is much slower than using styles. Furthermore, it makes editing 
a very labor intensive task.  Personal example: I was hired by a lady to 
format the text in a project of hers.
During our collaboration, she changed her mind as to the font size and 
color of one of the headings found on more than 10 pages. Using styles, 
I did this by changing one style. The font size and the text color were 
changed. That task was done. Had I had to use direct formatting, I would 
have to first find every instance of that heading, highlight it, change 
the color, and change the font. You tell me which would take the most 
time to edit for this one change. So, it would be for every change that 
is desire as the text is edited. My conclusion is that direct formatting 
is a waste of time.


Using direct formatting has been frowned upon both when writing 
documentation and when using Writer since the early 2000's. The above 
paragraph is only one of the reasons.


Dan

On 10/19/20 03:34, Luke (gmail) wrote:
I've been slowly learning about Direct Formatting in LibreOffice over 
the years. I joined this list with the intention of helping document 
this area of functionality, and in the coming months I may finally 
have some time to do so.


Is there somewhere I can read up on the topic?  My feeling is that 
it's under documented. Use of styles is pretty well documented I 
believe, but direct formatting is not, I think.


E.g. I only recently discovered that if you turn on italics to 
directly format a word, turn off italics, and continue writing, 
everything from that point on is still directly formatted.


I think the discussion around 
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135871 shows some 
of the complexities that can arise, around direct formatting (DF).


I believe the new Styles Inspector will help a lot in the use and 
understanding of styles, so perhaps DF is being documented even now?


luke




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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] [VOTE] On changes to documentation workflow.

[Dan Lewis]

I go with option #1

Dan

On 10/13/20 13:21, DaveB wrote:

On 13/10/2020 18:08, DaveB wrote:

Hi All,

Other than Peter Schofield nobody else has expressed any thoughts or
opinions as whether or not we should adopt the NextCloud versioning
system, or should we continue with the proposed folder structure and
file naming format, so I propose a poll:

Option 1.
Go ahead with the simplified folder structure and file naming format,

or

Option 2.
Adopt the NextCloud versioning system.

I propose closing the vote at 17:00 UTC on Friday 16th. October 2020.

Best Regards
Dave

My vote: Option 1.

Rational:
The NextCloud versioning system is a solution to a problem we don't
really have.

Regards
Dave






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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] List styles and the template

[Dan Lewis]

I did not realize that, but it does make sense. Normally, I limit the 
styles I see to what is in the list "Applied styles". I would not have 
noticed their existence except I need more than three level of list 
styles for the Planning/Designing your Database.


Dan

On 10/12/20 05:25, Jean Weber wrote:

On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 1:45 AM Dan Lewis  wrote:

The template contains list styles which we no longer use, the ones
containing, Start, Continue, and End. Is there any reason why these have
not be deleted from the template?

The paragraph styles for lists with Start, Continue, and End in their
names are built-in; they cannot be deleted. They can, however, be
hidden and perhaps they should be.

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[libreoffice-documentation] List styles and the template

[Dan Lewis]

I have a couple of questions about these:

I understand why normally, list styles should not contain more than 
three levels, preferably not more than two. However, a plan for creating 
a database could use an outline format. The odd levels contains the 
questions about the database in secessive more specific ones. The even 
levels contains the answers to the odd level questions directly above 
it. This is going to take much more than three levels to describe the 
desired database in detail. So, any suggestions as to what the 
characters should be for the levels below 3 going beyond level 5? (This 
information I need for the chapter on planning/designing a database.)


The template contains list styles which we no longer use, the ones 
containing, Start, Continue, and End. Is there any reason why these have 
not be deleted from the template?


Dan



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Wish to join the Documentation Team

[Dan Lewis]

gmail.com works fine for me on Ubuntu 20.04 & Thunderbird

Dan

On 9/28/20 15:42, DaveB wrote:

Hi Rafael,

It's good that you can attend meetings, I look forward to speaking with you.

In most instances we communicate openly on the documentation list, but I
guess Olivier felt it more appropriate to tell you privately about a
meeting for
  Brazilian contributors.

Obviously you can subscribe from any address you choose. I am not aware
of any restrictions on Gmail accounts subscribing to the docs list. I
notice that your email client is Thunderbird on Linux, so you might wish
to log into the Gmail webmail interface and check your Junk folder. I am
always amazed how many genuine emails Google marks with a false positive
flag and sucks them into the junk folder.

I am sure you will do a great job updating the Math Guide for 7.0, it
definitely could use a bit of TLC from someone who actually understands
the subject. The guy who did the 6.4 update was a bit out of his depth.
I know my comments will not upset him, because that guy was me. :))

Best Regards
Dave

 Original Message 
From: Rafael Lima [mailto:coenp...@utfpr.edu.br]
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020, 18:41 UTC
To: DaveB
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Wish to join the Documentation Team


Hi Dave!

Thanks for your reply. I am looking forward to start contributing to
LibreOffice documentation.

I think I'll be able to attend most of the 18:00 UTC meetings. I have
already scheduled the Oct 8th meeting in my calendar.

Olivier had mentioned a different time for meetings, on Wednesdays at
21pm (Brazil's time). But I think it is a different meeting for
Brazilian contributors.

I am also speaking with Olivier about how I can get started with the
documentation. I will also check out all the steps he sent me in his
first email.

As for my subscription to the mailing list, I originally tried to
subscribe using my Gmail (rafael.palma.l...@gmail.com), but I have not
received any reply in my Gmail yet.

Is it possible to change the e-mail with which I'll participate in the
mailing list to the gmail I mentioned above?

Many thanks!

Rafael Lima


On 28/09/2020 13:34, DaveB wrote:

 Original Message 
From: Rafael Lima [mailto:coenp...@utfpr.edu.br]
Sent: Monday, September 28, 2020, 14:44 UTC
To:documentation@global.libreoffice.org
Subject: [libreoffice-documentation] Wish to join the Documentation Team


Hi!

My name is Rafael Lima and I use LibreOffice every day to prepare
lectures and also to write scientific papers.

I read on the following post that the Documentation Team is looking for
a volunteer to review / update the Math Guide for LO 7.0.

https://blog.documentfoundation.org/blog/2020/09/24/documentation-team-status/


I believe I can contribute by doing this task. How can I begin?

Cheers,

Rafael Lima

Hi Rafael,

Welcome aboard.

Just to add a couple of points to Olivier's welcome message.
There has been a recent changes agreed for the  NextCloud workflow and
file/folder naming and I am in the process of updating the Documentation
Contributors’ Guide, both the on-line and downloadable editions, so you
might see confusing information until I have completed the update.
Hopefully this will not take too long, but if you want any clarification
please post to the list and I (or others) will be happy to help.

Olivier mentioned to you that we have bi-weekly on-line meeting via the
Jitsi service. You can find the meeting dates here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Meetings
Not sure how the 18:00 UTC time fits in with your schedule, but it would
be great if you get the opportunity to join the meeting.

Sorry for cc'ing you, but I don't know if you are subscribed to the
list yet

Best Regards
Dave






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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Proposal for filename change of guide chapters

[Dan Lewis]

+1 from me

On 9/25/20 07:08, DaveB wrote:

On 25/09/2020 08:24, Peter Schofield wrote:

Hello Everyone

I would like to propose a filename change that would better fit the proposed 
change in folder structure by DaveB, that is Work in Progress, Archive and 
Published. This change I do agree with as the present folders in NextCloud are 
not that clear as to what purpose they serve.

First draft of chapter.
So that a history of development is created, I think that the filename should 
include a version number with the initials of the creator. For example 
IG7006-FormattingGraphicObjects-01-PS.odt. This file would be placed in the 
Work in Progress folder.
After first  review the filename changes to include the reviewer’s initials, 
for example IG7006-FormattingGraphicObjects-01-PS-DB.odt. This file would be 
placed in the Work in Progress folder.

Second draft of chapter
Any changes from the reviewer are carried out normally by the creator and the 
filename is changed to IG7006-FormattingGraphicObjects-02-PS.odt. This file 
would be placed in the Work in Progress folder.
After second review the filename changes to include the reviewer’s initials, 
for example IG7006-FormattingGraphicObjects-02-PS-DB.odt. This file would be 
placed in the Work in Progress folder.
Files from the first draft of the chapter, that is 01, are place in the Archive 
folder.

Published chapter
The filename is changed to IG7006-FormattingGraphicObjects.odt and is place in 
the Published folder.
Files from the second draft of the chapter, that is 01, are place in the 
Archive folder.
The Archive folder would then contain a history of the development of a chapter 
and referred to enough necessary.

I realise that this would mean a change to the Contributors' Guide, Also, 
contributors must strictly follow the regime of file naming.

Regards

Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com

+1 from me.

I have to update the Contributors' Guide for the change in the NextCloud
folder structure and if Peter's proposal is accepted I can (with Peter's
approval) include this as part of that update.

Best Regards
Dave




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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Can we please finalise the 7.x template?

[Dan Lewis]

Sounds good to me.

Dan

On 9/21/20 11:18, DaveB wrote:

Hi All,

In an attempt to move this forward to a conclusion, I have created an
updated version of Jean's template and uploaded to NextCloud:
https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/Cqxmk2ySt5ZQ3f2

The only two things I have changed are the heading colors, reverted back
to the original green and the the removal of the words "Community
Edition" from the image on the first page.

Jean, Peter and myself have already indicated a preference for the
heading colors to be reverted back to the original green and the TDF ESC
have postponed the introduction of LibreOffice "Community Edition".

If there are no qualified objections to this updated template, I propose
we vote to finalise this template at Thursday's (24th. September) meeting.

Best Regards
Dave

On 17/09/2020 10:39, Dave Barton wrote:

Hi Olivier,

I did not in any way suggest we enter into a long protracted discussion
about the color of every element of the template. My only recommendation
was that we keep the same green heading colors used since the first
publication of our 3.4 guides. As Jean said in another post to this
thread, she only changed them to black as a compromise to the idea of
different color headings for different books.

I agree that we take Jean's final template as basis for the version 7
Guides, with the recommendation that we keep the original heading colors.

I completely disagree with your suggestion that authors (however we
define them) should be able to choose any color(s) for the book they are
working on. Would the team be happy if I make "Fire Engine Red" the
color for the next Getting Started guide?

Best Regards
Dave

On 16/09/2020 22:25, Olivier Hallot wrote:

HI Dave
If we keep discussion on the color of the template elements, we will
never set a final decision.

I recommend we take Jean's final template as basis for each Guide. It
does not prevent authors to choose another color for their book.
Actually it is trivial to change, as we know.

Kind regards
Olivier



Em 15/09/2020 12:23, DaveB escreveu:

Hi all,

The decision on finalising the 7.x has been on the Docs Team meeting
agenda for several weeks without any final decision/agreement.

I make no secret of the fact that, apart from a couple of minor
technical points, I saw no good reason to change from the 6.x template.
Nevertheless, Jean has put forward a very good 7.x template proposal and
I think we should use this thread to discuss her proposal and come to a
final agreement on changes, if any, that should be made to that proposal.

My only recommendation for the proposed 7.x template would be to change
the black Heading text colours back to the previous #18a303
RGB(24,163,3), because the stark B presentation would make the guides
appear dull, uninteresting and to some degree unprofessional, when
compared to our previous publications.

I am not a fan of deadlines, but it would be good if we could come to
some level of agreement by, or before, the next Docs Team meeting on
September 24th.

Best Regards
Dave




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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Heading 3 problem in user guide 7.0 template

[Dan Lewis]

I am confused. When I open the Styles dialog for the 7.0 from Jean, I 
find that the H3 style contains Bold Italic as one of its 
characteristics. So, it seems to me that the text should be Bold Italic 
every where the H3 style is used. What am I missing?


Dan

On 9/8/20 04:02, Peter Schofield wrote:

Here is a little problem problem see if someone can provide a solution.

Heading 3 style in the 7.0 template for user guides.

If you edit the text in a Heading 3 style and you then re-generate the ToC, the 
edited Heading 3 text becomes italic.
If you create a new Heading 3 to change the text, delete the old Heading 3 text 
and re-generate the ToC, the new Heading 3 is OK.

Is there a problem in LibreOffice generation of a ToC or is it a problem in the 
7.0 template?

At the moment, I am a little lost as to how to fix this problem.
Suggestions are welcome.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com






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[libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Pad

[Dan Lewis]

What happened to this? I have this bookmarked, but someone else is using 
this website:


https://pad.documentfoundation.org/p/documentation.

Is there going to be a meeting this afternoon at 1800 UCT? Oliver 
usually sends out a message by now to remind us?


Dan



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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Guide 7.0 outline

[Dan Lewis]

On 8/22/20 08:12, Pulkit Krishna wrote:

Hello everybody, Dan,
I have uploaded an outline of base guide 7.0 in 7.0 folder of Base 
Guide folder on Nextcloud. Please give any suggestion/Feedback you 
have. I will wait till 24 August and after that I will start working 
on chapter 1- Introducing Base.


Pulkit Krishna


I have read your outline and do not see any problems with it. I have 
copies of my chapter 2 Planing/Designing Your Database as new as 5.0. Do 
you want me to start updating this chapter? Is there anything specific 
that you would like to have changed? Also, I now have access to Windows 
10 with LibreOffice 7.0.1.1 (pre-release) installed. (I also have the 
same Deban version on Ubuntu 20.04.) I can create any needed screenshots 
from there.


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re[2]: Calc Guide v7.0

[Dan Lewis]

Recently I have bought  new tower computer and have dual booted Windows 
10 and buntu20.04. This afternoon, I downloaded 7.0.1.1 for windows 
(Dated 14 August 2020)and installed it. When I ran Calc, I entered 1-10 
in column A in rows 1-10. In B1 I entered this formula: ATAN(A1). Then I 
drug this formula down to B10. Then I pressed "Ctrl+`". Cell B1-B10 
changed from the arc tangent values to the formulas. So, this is not a 
bug for the pre-releases that I use. I will update the bug a little 
later today.


Dan

On 8/26/20 14:56, Felipe Viggiano wrote:

Hello Dan,

Apparently it's something with the release version. I did the report 
on Bugzilla 
(https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136129) and this 
was confirmed by another user, with the 7.1.0.0.alpha0+ version.
In my case, I have installed the 7.0.0.3 version on Ubuntu (20.04 as 
well).

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano

Em qua., 26 de ago. de 2020 às 12:22, Dan Lewis 
mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com>> escreveu:


I use Ubuntu 20.04 and 7.0.1.1 (pre-release) from the LibreOffice
website. "Ctrl+`" works just like View > Show Formula. Now there
might
be a problem with Ubuntu's release of LibreOffice...

Dan

On 8/25/20 13:56, Steve (GMail) wrote:
> Hi Felipe,
>
> I am a little concerned about the failure of the  View > Show
Formula
> shortcut on your system. I have seen this shortcut work on an
Ubuntu
> installation (albeit using LO 6.4) running in a Virtual Terminal in
> VMware. If there's a problem with the Linux implementation in this
> respect, we'll need to update Appendix A as well.
>
> Does  the menu option contain the string "Ctrl+`" in your
> installation? It is simply that the shortcut doesn't work? Are
we in
> "bug" territory again?
>
> Regards,
>
> Steve
>
>
> -- Original Message --
> From: "Felipe Viggiano" mailto:felipeviggi...@gmail.com>>
> To: "Steve (GMail)" mailto:stevemfanning...@gmail.com>>
> Cc: "Documentation Team" mailto:Documentation@global.libreoffice.org>>
> Sent: 25/08/2020 02:49:35
> Subject: Re: Re[9]: [libreoffice-documentation] Re[2]: Calc
Guide v7.0
>
>> Hello Steve,
>>
>> Thanks for the feedback!
>>
>> About the shortcut, I"m currently using Linux (Ubuntu), but it
could
>> be a distribution difference. May I suggest something like this:
>>
>> Formulas can be toggled on / off in the menu option View > Show
>> Formula, and, depending on the operational system, by the shortcut
>> Ctrl+` (grave accent).
>>
>> About the multi-threading, I can understand that this could be
useful
>> information for advanced users.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Felipe Viggiano
>>
>> Em seg., 24 de ago. de 2020 às 15:53, Steve (GMail)
>> mailto:stevemfanning...@gmail.com>> escreveu:
>>> Hi Felipe,
>>>
>>> Many thanks for the comments on Chapter 7 (Using Formulas and
>>> Functions). I have actioned most of the points you raised, and the
>>> document is now in the Draft for second review.
>>>
>>> A few matters arising:
>>> In the section entitled “Compatibility with other spreadsheet
>>> applications”, I’ve amended the number of functions that are
unique to
>>> Calc. It now reads 30, to match the functions listed on the
referenced
>>> wiki page, rather than the total number stated on that page!
>>> With regards to your comment that the keyboard shortcut
associated with
>>> View > Show Formula does not work for you. I believe that the
shortcut
>>> works on Windows and Linux, but I do not think there is a
corresponding
>>> key sequence for macOS. This is already reflected in Appendix
A and I
>>> have updated the Tip after Figure 19 to clarify further.
>>> In the section entitled “Multi-threading”, I decided to retain
the last
>>> paragraph. I think it is quite legitimate to draw a reader’s
attention
>>> to there being other ways (for power users) to control
multi-threading,
>>> even though they are not described in the guide.
>>>
>>> Thanks again.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -- Original Message --
>>> From: "Felipe Viggiano" mailto:fe

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re[2]: Calc Guide v7.0

[Dan Lewis]

I use Ubuntu 20.04 and 7.0.1.1 (pre-release) from the LibreOffice 
website. "Ctrl+`" works just like View > Show Formula. Now there might 
be a problem with Ubuntu's release of LibreOffice...


Dan

On 8/25/20 13:56, Steve (GMail) wrote:

Hi Felipe,

I am a little concerned about the failure of the  View > Show Formula 
shortcut on your system. I have seen this shortcut work on an Ubuntu 
installation (albeit using LO 6.4) running in a Virtual Terminal in 
VMware. If there's a problem with the Linux implementation in this 
respect, we'll need to update Appendix A as well.


Does  the menu option contain the string "Ctrl+`" in your 
installation? It is simply that the shortcut doesn't work? Are we in 
"bug" territory again?


Regards,

Steve


-- Original Message --
From: "Felipe Viggiano" 
To: "Steve (GMail)" 
Cc: "Documentation Team" 
Sent: 25/08/2020 02:49:35
Subject: Re: Re[9]: [libreoffice-documentation] Re[2]: Calc Guide v7.0


Hello Steve,

Thanks for the feedback!

About the shortcut, I"m currently using Linux (Ubuntu), but it could 
be a distribution difference. May I suggest something like this:


Formulas can be toggled on / off in the menu option View > Show 
Formula, and, depending on the operational system, by the shortcut 
Ctrl+` (grave accent).


About the multi-threading, I can understand that this could be useful 
information for advanced users.


Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano

Em seg., 24 de ago. de 2020 às 15:53, Steve (GMail) 
 escreveu:

Hi Felipe,

Many thanks for the comments on Chapter 7 (Using Formulas and
Functions). I have actioned most of the points you raised, and the
document is now in the Draft for second review.

A few matters arising:
In the section entitled “Compatibility with other spreadsheet
applications”, I’ve amended the number of functions that are unique to
Calc. It now reads 30, to match the functions listed on the referenced
wiki page, rather than the total number stated on that page!
With regards to your comment that the keyboard shortcut associated with
View > Show Formula does not work for you. I believe that the shortcut
works on Windows and Linux, but I do not think there is a corresponding
key sequence for macOS. This is already reflected in Appendix A and I
have updated the Tip after Figure 19 to clarify further.
In the section entitled “Multi-threading”, I decided to retain the last
paragraph. I think it is quite legitimate to draw a reader’s attention
to there being other ways (for power users) to control multi-threading,
even though they are not described in the guide.

Thanks again.

Regards,

Steve



-- Original Message --
From: "Felipe Viggiano" 
To: "Steve (GMail)" 
Cc: "Documentation Team" 
Sent: 22/08/2020 02:14:18
Subject: Re: Re[7]: [libreoffice-documentation] Re[2]: Calc Guide v7.0

>Hello everyone,
>
>Steve,
>
>Just uploaded a first review on the CG7007 - FormulasAndFunction.
>
>Only a few minor suggestions. The chapter is very well written and I
>managed to reproduce and understand every step and orientation.
>
>I'm checking out the CG7008 - Pivot Tables for a first review. Expect
>to return it by Thursday (27Ago2020).
>
>The Calc Status Guide has been updated.
>
>Best regards,
>Felipe Viggiano
>
>
>Em qui., 20 de ago. de 2020 às 15:48, Steve (GMail)
> escreveu:
>>All,
>>
>>I have finished updating Appendices A (Keyboard Shortcuts) and B
>>(Error
>>Codes), and placed the files in the Draft folder ready for first
>>review.
>>
>>As with earlier chapters, please do not waste time reviewing the 
front
>>matter or the template used for these chapters (other than adding 
your

>>name to the list of contributors of course!)
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Steve
>>
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>-- Original Message --
>> >>>From: "Steve (GMail)" 
>> >>>To: "Documentation Team" 


>> >>>Sent: 23/07/2020 20:28:44
>> >>>Subject: Calc Guide v7.0
>> >>>
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I have started a detailed read through the chapters of 
the 6.4

>>Calc
>> Guide to identify the changes needed for 7.0.
>> 
>> The first two chapters (0 - Preface and 1 - Introduction) 
have

>>been
>> updated and placed in the appropriate Draft folder within
>>NextCloud.
>> Please could somebody find time to perform a first review of
>>these
>> chapters?
>> 
>> Echoing Peter Schofield's comments in relation to the 
Impress

>>Guide,
>> please do not waste time reviewing the front matter or the
>>template
>> used for these chapters (other than adding your name to the
>>list of
>> contributors of course!). I will sort out these aspect prior
>>to
>> publication, once the 7.0 template is finalised.
>> 
>> Regards and thanks,
>> 
>> Steve Fanning
>> 
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[libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Contributor's Guide

[Dan Lewis]

Yesterday, I uploaded ch 3,4, and 5 to the feedback folder. The 
spreadsheet has been updated as well. So on this point, all chapters 
have received two reviews. There is only a final review accepting or 
rejecting of the changes that have been recorded in each.


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Impress Guide version 7.0

[Dan Lewis]

On 8/14/20 09:30, Peter Schofield wrote:

Hello Samantha

1st question — not sure why Sidebar is capitalised. Easily changed when I 
create 2nd draft.

2nd question — it is a note. Warning header, in my opinion, should not be used 
at all. There is no danger to life or serious risk of injury, which is what a 
warning is all about. Definition of a warning comes from ISO rules. Also, in my 
opinion, caution should not be used. There is no real danger of causing a 
malfunction of equipment. In software guides there is only a need for notes and 
tips.


While this may be true for Impress, I think that there are cases in Base 
in which using a caution makes sense. Data can be lost permanently if 
the user does not pay attention to what they are doing. Many of these 
thing are mitigated by Base offering to save something.//When creating a 
new form, saving it often is very important. This is especially true in 
areas where power is not always reliable as where thunderstorms are 
relatively common during the hotter part of the year.


Dan



Had a quick look at your suggestions and you have made some good points.

Moving figures would create large white spaces in the document. In my opinion, 
too much white space in a document is something to be avoided. It looks very 
unprofessional. I am of the old school where user guides used to be printed.

Regards
Peter Schofield
psaut...@gmail.com




On 14 Aug 2020, at 14:47, Samantha Hamilton  
wrote:

Hi Peter, and Team,

I have completed a first pass review of Impress Chapter 3 and uploaded it to the Feedback 
folder (changes noted on the Status Spreadsheet). Peter, you mentioned in an email to 
Felipe that "the template for version 7.0 is not 100% set in stone." As such, I 
did not investigate too deeply the finite formatting details. I do have a few quick 
questions, though, and perhaps they are template-related questions:
Why is Sidebar capitalized, but main menu bar and toolbar are not?
Was there a decision made about the Note header on page 2 to be re-styled as a 
Warning header?
Overall, I thought the writing was very clear and concise---I was able to 
follow all the directions easily.
Cheers,
Sam.

   Samantha Hamilton
   darling docs

     



On Thu, Aug 13, 2020 at 10:14 AM Samantha Hamilton mailto:samanthahamilton0...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi Peter, and Team,

I have downloaded Impress Chapter 3 for first review. Expected return date is Saturday 
the 15th. Just a quick note: I've been getting a "502 Bad Gateway" error on the 
Status Spreadsheet, but I will try again later to update that page.

Cheers,
Sam.
  
   Samantha Hamilton

   darling docs

     



On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 10:32 AM Peter Schofield mailto:psaut...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Chapter 3 Adding and Formatting Text for the Impress Guide 7.0 has been 
uploaded to the Drafts folder on NextCloud and is ready for review and comment.

This chapter has been rewritten for two reasons.

1. The changes in Version 7.0 required a rewrite of the old version of the 
chapter.

2. The old version of this chapter was very poorly written and probably by 
someone who was not experienced in writing software guides. It was confusing 
and difficult to follow in some instances. Hopefully I have now corrected that 
problem.

One comment I must make is that whoever wrote Version 4.3 of this chapter did 
not add their name to the contributors list at the front of the guide. My name 
appears there as the last contributor and makes it look like I wrote this 
version of Chapter 3. I definitely did not and the text is definitely not my 
style or quality.

If anybody writes a chapter or does a review and comment, then PLEASE add your 
name to th contributors list.

Regards
Peter Schofield
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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Documentation Contributor's Guide

[Dan Lewis]

On 8/12/20 9:58 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:


This concerns what should be entered into the /File > Properties/ 
dialog. Ch 0, 1, 2, has version 6.4. Ch 3 has version 6.2. Ch 4 has 0 
entries. If this update of this guide is to go along with the 
LibreOffice_7.x_Template, should all of theses be updated to 7.0?


Dan

Another observation about the icons for colibre(SVG). When using 
LibreOffice 6.4, all the needed icons are available. However, when I use 
7.0.0.3, there are several icons missing in the Styles dialog among 
others. This is on Ubunty (Debian). This presents a problem.


Dan



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[libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Contributor's Guide

[Dan Lewis]

This concerns what should be entered into the /File > Properties/ 
dialog. Ch 0, 1, 2, has version 6.4. Ch 3 has version 6.2. Ch 4 has 0 
entries. If this update of this guide is to go along with the 
LibreOffice_7.x_Template, should all of theses be updated to 7.0?


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Contributors' Guide review

[Dan Lewis]

I have downloaded this chapter for its second review. I have also 
uploaded chapter 4 to the feedback folder. The Guide Status has been 
updated.


In chapter 4, I have replace the out of date OOo styles with the ones we 
use today. The replaced styles have also been deleted.


I made some changes including what I consider to be a spelling error 
(matrixes vs matrices). As I typed this, Thunderbird recognizes matrices 
as correct but matrixes as incorrect.


I am having problems understanding the difference between press and 
type. The example being: type Y and press Enter. Both of these involve a 
single key. In fact, both use my right hand. The only difference in what 
I do has to do with which finger I use. It is the same motion.


Dan

On 7/30/20 11:50 AM, Samantha Hamilton wrote:

Hi,

The final chapter (5) of the Contributors' Guide is uploaded into the
Feedback folder. All changes on the Status spreadsheet.

Cheers,
Sam.

   Samantha Hamilton
   darling docs

    



On Tue, Jul 28, 2020 at 10:13 AM Samantha Hamilton <
samanthahamilton0...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi there,

I have downloaded the Contributors' Guide: Chapter 5 to review, and expect
to have it returned Thursday (all noted in the Status spreadsheet).

Enjoy your day,
Sam.

   Samantha Hamilton
   darling docs

   




On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 7:42 AM Samantha Hamilton <
samanthahamilton0...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hello,

The Contributors' Guide: Chapter 4 has been uploaded to the Feedback
folder.

Have a great day,
Sam.

   Samantha Hamilton
   darling docs

   




On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 1:56 PM Samantha Hamilton <
samanthahamilton0...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hello all,

I have downloaded the Contributors' Guide: Chapter 4 for review (noted
in the Status spreadsheet). I will have it returned by Monday morning.

Have a great weekend everyone!
Sam.

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Contributor Guide Chapter 3: some questions

[Dan Lewis]

Don't put yourself down like this. The only reason why I caught this was 
that I have been doing this for almost 20 years. Your adding the step 
number was something that needed to be done. I have now reviewed three 
chapters which you reviewed before me. I quickly noticed just how well 
you can spot things, seeming small things, that others would have passed 
over. This is the reason why your are a very valuable asset to our 
group. I am much stronger in doing the writing; you are much stronger in 
finding the little mistakes that we make.


On question #2: You made a very good point on this: the page number has 
to be included in the text.


Dan

On 8/5/20 08:42, Samantha Hamilton wrote:

Hi Dan and Team,

Apologies, but I suppose I'm now out of my depths on this one. The 
references you're discussing were original in the documents when I 
downloaded them as a draft. I simply added the step number to 
hopefully highlight further, where to look in the text.


To Leo's point, I can absolutely see how keeping the page number is 
important for hard copy reading.


Cheers,
Sam.
  Samantha Hamilton
  darling docs

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On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 8:23 PM Dan Lewis <mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Comment inline:

On 8/4/20 12:37, Samantha Hamilton wrote:
> Hi, Dan,
>
> Great questions! I wanted to see if I could help, so here are my
thoughts:
>
> 1) Due to inclusions of figures, etc., some of this chapter's
sections
> 'fall' over several pages. I agree that perhaps having the page
number
> /and/ the title link might not be necessary in most cases; however,
> the one example that stands out in my mind is "Creating a new
chapter
> based on an existing chapter" which is page 7, but the specific
step
> which is repeatedly referenced is step 5 on page 8.

Then "on page x" does serve a purpose, so this should be kept as is.

The problem part of what you wrote is in where the reader is taken
when
you control + click the a link. Both links will take the reader to
page
7 not page 8. Furthermore, when right clicking either link and then
selecting Edit Field from the context menu, a reference number is
given
among other things. These two links have the same reference
number. The
same thing is true for every sentence containing a link and the
page it
is found on. I really do not see a reason for the second link to
be used
unless it is changed to the actual location rather than to the
heading
above the actual location.

This raises another question. Why was the link to a heading
instead of
where the information is located?

Dan

>
> 2) I think this is a great question, because until now I never
> considered that the draft which I'm downloading still exists in the
> Drafts folder. Should there be a note in the Contributors' Guide to
> delete the Draft copy? Who would have the 'authority' to delete
that copy?
>
> I hope these points are helpful,
> Best,
> Sam.
>   Samantha Hamilton
>   darling docs
>
>

<https://darlingdocs.wordpress.com/><https://github.com/samanthahamilton><https://www.linkedin.com/in/shamilton-64b4b71b0/>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:59 AM Dan Lewis
mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com
<mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com>>> wrote:
>
>     There are two of them:
>
>     1) Several times in this chapter there is a link to another
place
>     in the
>     chapter. It is followed by the following "on page x". The
page number
>     also links to same Set Reference. Do we really need the second
>     link; do
>     we really need to even have "on page x"?
>
>     2) In section, Submitting a chapter for review, the chapter is
>     suppose
>     to be uploaded to the Feedback folder. It has already been
>     uploaded to
>     the Draft folder in the section, Creating a completely new
chapter
>     step
>     3. Are we suppose to have a copy of this chapter in both
folders?
>
>     Otherwise, I have almost completed my review.
>
>     Dan
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Contributor Guide Chapter 3: some questions

[Dan Lewis]

Comment inline:

On 8/4/20 12:37, Samantha Hamilton wrote:

Hi, Dan,

Great questions! I wanted to see if I could help, so here are my thoughts:

1) Due to inclusions of figures, etc., some of this chapter's sections 
'fall' over several pages. I agree that perhaps having the page number 
/and/ the title link might not be necessary in most cases; however, 
the one example that stands out in my mind is "Creating a new chapter 
based on an existing chapter" which is page 7, but the specific step 
which is repeatedly referenced is step 5 on page 8.


Then "on page x" does serve a purpose, so this should be kept as is.

The problem part of what you wrote is in where the reader is taken when 
you control + click the a link. Both links will take the reader to page 
7 not page 8. Furthermore, when right clicking either link and then 
selecting Edit Field from the context menu, a reference number is given 
among other things. These two links have the same reference number. The 
same thing is true for every sentence containing a link and the page it 
is found on. I really do not see a reason for the second link to be used 
unless it is changed to the actual location rather than to the heading 
above the actual location.


This raises another question. Why was the link to a heading instead of 
where the information is located?


Dan



2) I think this is a great question, because until now I never 
considered that the draft which I'm downloading still exists in the 
Drafts folder. Should there be a note in the Contributors' Guide to 
delete the Draft copy? Who would have the 'authority' to delete that copy?


I hope these points are helpful,
Best,
Sam.
  Samantha Hamilton
  darling docs

<https://darlingdocs.wordpress.com/><https://github.com/samanthahamilton><https://www.linkedin.com/in/shamilton-64b4b71b0/>


On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:59 AM Dan Lewis <mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com>> wrote:


There are two of them:

1) Several times in this chapter there is a link to another place
in the
chapter. It is followed by the following "on page x". The page number
also links to same Set Reference. Do we really need the second
link; do
we really need to even have "on page x"?

2) In section, Submitting a chapter for review, the chapter is
suppose
to be uploaded to the Feedback folder. It has already been
uploaded to
the Draft folder in the section, Creating a completely new chapter
step
3. Are we suppose to have a copy of this chapter in both folders?

Otherwise, I have almost completed my review.

Dan


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[libreoffice-documentation] Contributor Guide Chapter 3: some questions

[Dan Lewis]

There are two of them:

1) Several times in this chapter there is a link to another place in the 
chapter. It is followed by the following "on page x". The page number 
also links to same Set Reference. Do we really need the second link; do 
we really need to even have "on page x"?


2) In section, Submitting a chapter for review, the chapter is suppose 
to be uploaded to the Feedback folder. It has already been uploaded to 
the Draft folder in the section, Creating a completely new chapter step 
3. Are we suppose to have a copy of this chapter in both folders?


Otherwise, I have almost completed my review.

Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Contributors' Guide

[Dan Lewis]

This is going quicker than I thought. I have uploaded chapter 1 to the 
feedback folder. Changes logged into the guide status.


I made one minor change concerning whether a sentence should end with a 
preposition. In high school, this was a no-no. (OK, this was 60 years 
ago.) What is the more modern thought about this?


Samatha: I liked your thoroughness for chapters 0 & 1.

Dan

On 7/21/20 10:46, Samantha Hamilton wrote:

Hello all,

I have uploaded the Contributors' Guide, Chapter 0 (Front Matter) and
Chapter 1 to the Feedback folder. I have taken Chapters 2 and 3 for review
and will have them back by Friday at the latest. All changes are noted on
the spreadsheet.

Have a great day!
Sam

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Contributors' Guide

[Dan Lewis]

This took less time than I thought. I have uploaded Chapter 0 to the 
feedback folder. I have also downloaded chapters 1 & 2 for review. ETA 
is 3 Aug 2020. Guide status has been updated.


Dan

On 7/21/20 10:46, Samantha Hamilton wrote:

Hello all,

I have uploaded the Contributors' Guide, Chapter 0 (Front Matter) and
Chapter 1 to the Feedback folder. I have taken Chapters 2 and 3 for review
and will have them back by Friday at the latest. All changes are noted on
the spreadsheet.

Have a great day!
Sam

   Samantha Hamilton
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Contributors' Guide

[Dan Lewis]

I am downloading Chapter 0 for a second review; changes made on the 
Guide spreadsheet. (ETA 3 Aug 2020)


I am planning to review the other chapters as I get time. I also want to 
bring myself up to date on the latest changes.


Dan

On 7/21/20 10:46, Samantha Hamilton wrote:

Hello all,

I have uploaded the Contributors' Guide, Chapter 0 (Front Matter) and
Chapter 1 to the Feedback folder. I have taken Chapters 2 and 3 for review
and will have them back by Friday at the latest. All changes are noted on
the spreadsheet.

Have a great day!
Sam

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Writer Guide 6.4 chapters ready for "cleaning"

[Dan Lewis]

When I first began working on the present Base Guide, I was translating 
the chapter from Base Handbuch (German). For that I needed to create 
clean file before translating them. All 10 of the files after cleaning 
were in fact bigger as you have discovered.


Dan

On 7/31/20 13:16, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Hi, Jean et. al.,

I cleaned the files with the odtclean.py script downloaded from
"English/Contributor Resources" map (uploaded 2 years ago).

I hope this is the latest script, as some styles have been recently renamed
etc. Maybe Miloš can confirm. The files seem bigger, but that might be
because of the different zipping algorithm (LO/python).

I placed the "cleaned" files in the Draft folder, in the
"Published-cleaned" subfolder to check.

Lp, m.

V V pet., 31. jul. 2020 ob 07:14 je oseba Jean Weber 
napisala:


Compiled book is now available in ODT and PDF, in the Published folder.
Jean

On Fri, Jul 31, 2020 at 2:33 PM Jean Weber  wrote:

All chapters of the Writer Guide 6.4 have been published and are ready
for "cleaning" by Martin or anyone familiar with his tool for doing
this.

Compiled full book will be available soon.

Jean


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Update on Ubuntu18

[Dan Lewis]

I think you may have found a bug. I have both LibreOffice 7.0.0.2 and 
6.4.5.2 installed. I have LibreOffice Base 6.4.5.2 in my Dash as a 
favorite. Yet, When I bring the cursor over its icon, the popup window 
shows LibreOffice 7.0 Base. But when I use Help > About LibreOffice, I 
see LibreOffice 6.4.5.2.


There is one other difference that I have. When I install a version of 
LibreOffice, I modify the bootstraprc file to rename the folder 
containing the configuration files in the home folder 
(.../.config/libreoffice/). I replace the 4 on the last line with the 
actual number of the LO version. For example, my .../.config/libreoffice 
forlder contains these folders: 6.3, 6.4, 7.0. This allows me to run all 
three versions at the same time if necessary.


Dan


On 7/25/20 22:30, Kevin Berry wrote:

Anyone familiar with updating from LibreOffice 6.0 to 6.4, on Ubuntu 18.04?
I am used to using the terminal, using Bash, as I do most administrative
things in my OS from there.

I already added the LibreOffice PPA and updated my system. I saw
LibreOffice 6.4 all over the place when the update was happening, so I
think things were updated properly. However, when I do libreoffice
--version, it says I am still on 6.0

Anyone know how I can update from 6.0 to 6.4, in Ubuntu 18.04?

Gordon Bates
berrykevin...@gmaill.com
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: First Review - IM7002 - Master Slides, Styles and Templates

[Dan Lewis]

I believe that the correct template is LibreOffice_7._Template_JHW1.ott. 
For that matter, I am not sure that other documents you mentioned have 
been made with either the template you are using nor the one I listed.


Dan

On 7/21/20 20:19, Felipe Viggiano wrote:

Hello everyone,

Working on the IG7002 and something caught my attention.
The template I'm using is the *LibreOffice_7.x_Template_JHW.ott,* but it is
not matching with the templates of other documents reviewed for the Impress
7.0 (the icons for tips and notes for example are different).

Is there any other template file for the 7.0 guides? I didn't manage to
find it on NextCloud.

Best regards,
Felipe Viggiano


Em ter., 21 de jul. de 2020 às 17:06, Felipe Viggiano <
felipeviggi...@gmail.com> escreveu:


Checked out the *IM7002* for a first review.

Expected return on 23July2020.

The *IG 70 Impress Guide Status* has been updated.

Best Regards,
Felipe Viggiano



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide Preface v7.0 Review

[Dan Lewis]

Make sure that  Edit > Track Changes > Record is checked. Then make the 
changes you want to make. You can also explain why you think the change 
should be made in comment-forms of the document. When you save the 
document, it will contain the original text and your changes. The author 
can then check what you have done and either accept or reject your changes.


Dan

On 7/14/20 14:57, Samantha Hamilton wrote:

Hello, LO Docs Team,

A quick question. I've read through the V7.0 Base guide revision (as per
Annie Nguyen's email, found in the Feedback folder), and I have some
syntactic and copyediting suggestions. Since this is my first official
document contribution, I was wondering if you prefer having edits sent
directly to this email? or in comment-form on the document?

Thank you!
Regards,
Sam

   Samantha Hamilton
   darling docs

    




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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] should 7.0 screenshoots include the Pernoal tag?

[Dan Lewis]

I look forward to do what I can including making some suggestions if I 
think they are necessary.


Dan

On 7/12/20 08:47, Pulkit Krishna wrote:

Hello Rob,
I have got my hands on a Windows laptop so I can help you to take
screenshots. By the way, if you have checked the status spreadsheet of Base
Guide 7.0 you should have seen that I have changed the chapter structure.
In general, I am following what was proposed by Dan but I have done some
modifications. Some of the chapters are the same - just with a different
name, so you can take screenshots for those chapters. But some chapters are
completely reorganized so please wait until I prepare the first draft of
those chapters. As for the personal edition tag - the decision is not final
yet. If we include it and then it is decided not to include them then it
would confuse the users. It is best that you prepare those screenshots only
that do not have those areas on which Personal edition is written. When the
decision is taken, we can prepare those screenshots which need to contain
those chapters.

I am preparing a document providing a summary of what I am indenting to do
in each chapter. Dan might have thought to include something else in those
chapters, so he can advise me.

Pulkit Krishna


On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 6:08 PM Rob Westein  wrote:


Hi,

I'm planning to take scteenshotd for the Base 7.0 Handbook.
Now my question is do I have to include the blue program bar with the
"personal" tag?

/Rob

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LOv7 RC1 is now available

[Dan Lewis]

The same thing is true using LO 7.0.0.1 which is RC1. This is on Ubuntu 
18.04 (Debian variation) on a database possibly created with 2.x.x in 
the mid 2006's. Will report my findings on Bugzilla.


Dan

On 7/7/20 10:51, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi *,

warning for making screenshots of Base-forms:
If you open Base-forms for editing, not for input data, you are asked if
you wan't to save the changes you made. You haven't made changes, but
this has been the default since the beginning of LO/OpenOffice. Don't
save forms with LO 7.0. You couldn't open this forms again!
See
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134582

Regards

Robert


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: LOv7 RC1 is now available

[Dan Lewis]

Here is the link:

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Installing_in_parallel

I don't know about the Window's OS, but I do know that RC1 can be 
installed in the /opt/ folder and have its own config files separate 
from previous LibreOffice config files on Linux. (This will need a link 
on the Desktop folder.) Anyone interested email me personally; I will 
reply with the necessary info.


Dan

On 7/6/20 21:00, Jean Weber wrote:

Warning for Windows users: this version will replace your LOv6.4
installation, so if you still have work to do on v6.4 guides, you
might delay installing v7 - or use the method described for a
"parallel installation" somewhere on the wiki or the website. Sorry, I
don't have a link handy and don't have time to find it, but I'm sure
someone reading this can provide that info.
Jean

On Tue, Jul 7, 2020 at 10:28 AM Jean Weber  wrote:

Hello team!
LOv7 RC1 is now available! It installs as LibreOffice, not
LibreOfficeDev (as the Betas did), so it should be good for all
screenshots.

To download LOv7 RC1, go to the usual download page, scroll to the
bottom, where you'll find "LibreOffice is available in the following
prerelease versions:" and click on 7.0.0. It's not in green, so it may
not look like a link, but it works. (It doesn't say "RC1" but that's
what it is.)
https://www.libreoffice.org/download/download/

Jean


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Proposed Addition to Base Guide 6.2

[Dan Lewis]

It is described in detail in Chapter 3 Tables section: "Importing data 
from other sources". This is very likely the page 114 to which Robert 
also mentioned.


Dan

On 6/23/20 08:40, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 19/06/2020 à 23:49, Doug Bleeker a écrit :

Doug,

Pretty sure that that has been described and present in the Base Guide
for a while now.

Not sure where you got the information that it wasn't possible. I is
unfortunate indeed if you got it from one of the regular information
sites for LibreOffice/OpenOffice.org (Ask, OOoForum, mailing list, etc).


Alex



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[libreoffice-documentation] BG6404 Query & BG6405 Forms

[Dan Lewis]

The Query chapter has been reviews and uploaded to the cloud. I have 
also downloaded the Forms chapter for review. Anticipated return: June 27.


Dan


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[libreoffice-documentation] BG6404 Forms & BG6405 Queries

[Dan Lewis]

I have completed the first review for the Forms chapter placing it in 
the Feedback folder. I made some changes in it, mostly spelling or 
suggestions as a better word to use or correct a style error.


I have also downloaded the Queries chapter with return date by next 
Tuesday. The Guide status has been updated.


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: LibreOffice Base 7.0 has not got Firebird engine without experimental mode

[Dan Lewis]

Given this, what not update HSQLDB from 1.8 to 2.5? We were using this 
version on the daily builds and later the alpha and beta version back in 
2005 and 2006. There has to be a way to convert from an embedded 
database with version 1.8 to connecting to the database with JDBC with 
version 2.5 that is not really difficult. The main problem is with 
moving the queries, forms, and reports.


Dan

On 6/9/20 07:45, Alexander Thurgood wrote:

Le 09/06/2020 à 06:28, Pulkit Krishna a écrit :

Hi Pulkit,

Yes, this change was made in master and also pushed into the 6.4.4
branch - it was deliberate.

The reason is that the embedded Firebird support code just too much of a
liability at the moment, and virtually no one is fixing the bugs that
its introduction has created, or the bugs for features that one would
expect to see in such an engine, but which haven't been implemented in
the LO code. It was a whole sorry mess, just waiting to explode in the
faces of unwitting users, so it was felt better to switch it back to
experimental, that way, if people hose their data with it, they will
have made the decision knowingly, rather than by default building their
hopes up and then kicking them where it hurts.

At least with embedded hsqldb 1.8.0, we know where all of the problems
lie, and the documentation doesn't need to be rewritten for a new db
engine that doesn't deliver on the promises our marketing communication
was so keen to tout (the engine itself is actually pretty capable, its
just the implementation within LO that is somewhat lacking).


Alex




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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: Macro Code Colorizer

[Dan Lewis]

I agree with not having the macro created character styles added to the 
template. To me, the template should only contain the styles whether 
paragraph or character styles that are need in every chapter created 
using the template. When special styles are needed as in the case of 
chapters describing macros, they should be added to just that chapter.


Dan

On 6/5/20 15:51, Drew Jensen wrote:

back to how this started, IIRC;

Those character styles used by Macro Formatter extension are added to
the odt file when the extension is run on the author's or editor's
machine. Given that I would not include them in the Guide/Team
template.

I would add a section in the template text content about coloring
example code and point to
https://extensions.libreoffice.org/en/extensions/show/code-colorizer-formatter
as the proper tool for the job. Let them know that after installing
the extension to open the configuration dialog and change the
paragraph entry from '_OooTextBody' to 'Text Body' (it will not
function until it is changed to an existing paragraph style).

There is no reason to have those character styles in a document that
has no example code, for one thing, and for another maybe the
extension is updated at some point, no reason to add an expectation as
to what those style names must be.

Drew

On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 10:11 AM Drew Jensen  wrote:

Howdy,

Following up from the meeting yesterday.

So, I was wrong about the extension using direct formatting with
regards to the extension 'Macro Formatter 4.1.1'. Using a fresh
document it did add a set of character styles and the uses those in
the formatting and colorizing process. (The only note to make here is
that it needs to have the default configuration or _OOoTextBody
changed for the paragraph style - I choose the standard Text Body and
it worked fine)

As for a second extension, 'Code Highlighter 1.6', this python
extension does not run properly in the latest versions of LO so I
could not answer the question of how it handles the document changes.

Best wishes,

Drew


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Looking to start contributing to LibreOffice documentation

[Dan Lewis]

Welcome!

Others will give you the guidance that you need. What I would like to 
know is what is your experience level in using LibreOffice. What is your 
knowledge of styles in a text document? What operating system does your 
computer use? These are some basic background questions that is helpful 
for us to know.


Personal example: I began nearly 20 years ago with little knowledge 
about the program. I had a lot to learn, but I did. Learning to use 
styles is very important for our work so I read the chapters on styles 
in the Writer Guide, learning and applying them as I went. It is 
gratifying work. You can also.


Dan

On 6/4/20 15:37, annie.tp.ngu...@gmail.com wrote:

Hello!

  


My name is Annie. I am currently exploring a career transition into
technical writing, and would like contribute to LibreOffice's documentation
efforts. My goals are to develop and practice my technical writing skills
and start to build my portfolio.

  


A little about myself: My educational background is in chemical engineering,
during which I spent my summers on a variety of research projects. I moved
into business technology consulting as a new grad when I realized I am not
suited for creating technology. While in consulting, I had the opportunity
to lead and execute the documentation effort on a software implementation,
and have slowly come to orient towards a career in technical writing. I
enjoy being able to combine technical knowledge with user-friendly design,
pressing flowers, and trying new cooking recipes.

  


I appreciate any guidance on the best way for a beginner to contribute, and
can commit to 4 hours per week at this time. If it makes sense, I intend to
start with reviewing the Help contents and User Guides, researching for
improvements, and adding in artwork. As I become more familiar with the
topics available, I intend to start writing and editing.

  


Looking forward to learning from and working with you all!

  


Kind regards,

Annie Nguyen

  
https://www.linkedin.com/in/atpnguyen/

  





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[libreoffice-documentation] BG6403 Tables

[Dan Lewis]

I have completed the first review for this chapter. It has been uploaded 
to the Feedback folder. I made quite a few minor changes and adding text 
to clarification based upon correspondence with Robert. (MySQL drivers 
differ as to whether all or part of the databases on the MySQL servers 
based upon the OS.) I have also removed the last of the added character 
styles such as Menu Path and those beginning with LO.


I have downloaded BG6404 Forms for its first review. The Guide Status 
has been updated for both.


Dan


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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Guide 6.4 Reviews

[Dan Lewis]

Problem fixed.

Dan

On 5/20/20 09:50, Dan Lewis wrote:
BG6402 Creating a Database has been uploaded to the feedback folder 
for a second review.  However, as I write thing I remember that a 
couple of paragraphs needs to be rewritten because of an email I got 
from Robert regarding this. I will be returning this as soon as I 
finish the modifications.


Dan


On 5/8/20 11:48, Dan Lewis wrote:


On 5/7/20 21:03, Dan Lewis wrote:
I have uploaded BG6400 Preface to the feedback folder with my 
comment, strong opinion.


I have also downloaded BG6401 Introduction to Base. ETA its return 
is in 5 days. The Guide Status has been updated.


Dan

I have uploaded BG6401 Introduction to Base to the feedback folder. 
There are some minor changes; both Show and Record were selected 
before working on this chapter.


Now for a couple of days working on the epub version for Base Guide 6.2.

Dan



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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Guide 6.4 Reviews

[Dan Lewis]

BG6402 Creating a Database has been uploaded to the feedback folder for 
a second review.  However, as I write thing I remember that a couple of 
paragraphs needs to be rewritten because of an email I got from Robert 
regarding this. I will be returning this as soon as I finish the 
modifications.


Dan


On 5/8/20 11:48, Dan Lewis wrote:


On 5/7/20 21:03, Dan Lewis wrote:
I have uploaded BG6400 Preface to the feedback folder with my 
comment, strong opinion.


I have also downloaded BG6401 Introduction to Base. ETA its return is 
in 5 days. The Guide Status has been updated.


Dan

I have uploaded BG6401 Introduction to Base to the feedback folder. 
There are some minor changes; both Show and Record were selected 
before working on this chapter.


Now for a couple of days working on the epub version for Base Guide 6.2.

Dan



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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Guide 6.4 Reviews

[Dan Lewis]

BG6402 Creating a Database has been uploaded to the feedback folder for 
a second review.  However, as I write thing I remember that a couple of 
paragraphs needs to be rewritten because of an email I got from Robert 
regarding this. I will be returning this as soon as I finish the 
modifications.


Dan


On 5/8/20 11:48, Dan Lewis wrote:


On 5/7/20 21:03, Dan Lewis wrote:
I have uploaded BG6400 Preface to the feedback folder with my 
comment, strong opinion.


I have also downloaded BG6401 Introduction to Base. ETA its return is 
in 5 days. The Guide Status has been updated.


Dan

I have uploaded BG6401 Introduction to Base to the feedback folder. 
There are some minor changes; both Show and Record were selected 
before working on this chapter.


Now for a couple of days working on the epub version for Base Guide 6.2.

Dan



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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Guide 6.4 Reviews and 6.2 ePUB version

[Dan Lewis]

The error has been fixed with the back cover now at the back of the 
guide. It is now uploaded to the feedback folder.


Dan

On 5/17/20 09:03, Dan Lewis wrote:
It turns out that base guide 6.2 epub version is not quite ready for 
publishing. The back cover is presently between the front cover and 
content. I will be correcting this in the morning. It is a minor style 
change.


Dan

On 5/16/20 14:45, Dan Lewis wrote:


On 5/8/20 11:48, Dan Lewis wrote:


On 5/7/20 21:03, Dan Lewis wrote:
I have uploaded BG6400 Preface to the feedback folder with my 
comment, strong opinion.


I have also downloaded BG6401 Introduction to Base. ETA its return 
is in 5 days. The Guide Status has been updated.


Dan

I have uploaded BG6401 Introduction to Base to the feedback folder. 
There are some minor changes; both Show and Record were selected 
before working on this chapter.


Now for a couple of days working on the epub version for Base Guide 
6.2.


Dan

I have downloaded BG6402 Creating a Database. I should complete the 
first review by Wednesday evening. The Guide status has been updated.


I have completed the creation of a ePUB version for Base Guide 6.2. 
This file is in the feedback folder. I added it to the Guide status. 
It would not have taken so long, but it took a while to locate the 
style problem for centering the screenshots.


Dan




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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Guide 6.4 Reviews and 6.2 ePUB version

[Dan Lewis]

It turns out that base guide 6.2 epub version is not quite ready for 
publishing. The back cover is presently between the front cover and 
content. I will be correcting this in the morning. It is a minor style 
change.


Dan

On 5/16/20 14:45, Dan Lewis wrote:


On 5/8/20 11:48, Dan Lewis wrote:


On 5/7/20 21:03, Dan Lewis wrote:
I have uploaded BG6400 Preface to the feedback folder with my 
comment, strong opinion.


I have also downloaded BG6401 Introduction to Base. ETA its return 
is in 5 days. The Guide Status has been updated.


Dan

I have uploaded BG6401 Introduction to Base to the feedback folder. 
There are some minor changes; both Show and Record were selected 
before working on this chapter.


Now for a couple of days working on the epub version for Base Guide 6.2.

Dan

I have downloaded BG6402 Creating a Database. I should complete the 
first review by Wednesday evening. The Guide status has been updated.


I have completed the creation of a ePUB version for Base Guide 6.2. 
This file is in the feedback folder. I added it to the Guide status. 
It would not have taken so long, but it took a while to locate the 
style problem for centering the screenshots.


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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Guide 6.4 Reviews and 6.2 ePUB version

[Dan Lewis]

On 5/8/20 11:48, Dan Lewis wrote:


On 5/7/20 21:03, Dan Lewis wrote:
I have uploaded BG6400 Preface to the feedback folder with my 
comment, strong opinion.


I have also downloaded BG6401 Introduction to Base. ETA its return is 
in 5 days. The Guide Status has been updated.


Dan

I have uploaded BG6401 Introduction to Base to the feedback folder. 
There are some minor changes; both Show and Record were selected 
before working on this chapter.


Now for a couple of days working on the epub version for Base Guide 6.2.

Dan

I have downloaded BG6402 Creating a Database. I should complete the 
first review by Wednesday evening. The Guide status has been updated.


I have completed the creation of a ePUB version for Base Guide 6.2. This 
file is in the feedback folder. I added it to the Guide status. It would 
not have taken so long, but it took a while to locate the style problem 
for centering the screenshots.


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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Guide 6.4 Reviews

[Dan Lewis]

On 5/7/20 21:03, Dan Lewis wrote:
I have uploaded BG6400 Preface to the feedback folder with my comment, 
strong opinion.


I have also downloaded BG6401 Introduction to Base. ETA its return is 
in 5 days. The Guide Status has been updated.


Dan

I have uploaded BG6401 Introduction to Base to the feedback folder. 
There are some minor changes; both Show and Record were selected before 
working on this chapter.


Now for a couple of days working on the epub version for Base Guide 6.2.

Dan


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[libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide 6.4 Reviews

[Dan Lewis]

I have uploaded BG6400 Preface to the feedback folder with my comment, 
strong opinion.


I have also downloaded BG6401 Introduction to Base. ETA its return is in 
5 days. The Guide Status has been updated.


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide 6.4: Link to ODT or PDF?

[Dan Lewis]

I have some experience in this project. I created epub  versions for 
some of the chapters for LO 4.2. I even have a list of things to do 
including the things you mentioned that I wrote at the time. I have 
already started having converted the Guide ODT file to epub. I have also 
merged some of the xhtml files to make this more manageable. And yes, 
the list styles need to be checked very carefully: I had to do it before 
only in more complex settings. (I worked with three and four levels in 
some of these chapters.


Dan

On 5/7/20 10:05, Olivier Hallot wrote:


Hi Dan

Your'e welcome. I went to this road before and here is the trick: E-pub
is a set of bundled html pages and html don't like tab characters.
Therefore we must ensure to replace tab character by proper spaces. It
happens when you have lists, where the list number or bullet is followed
by a tab character. Fix is to change the list style, but it requires
inspection. Other than  that, it looks quite well.

A sample of e-pub is available here
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications#Getting_Started_with_LibreOffice

Note: Miklos Vajna from Collabora worked a lot on e-pub in 2018-2019
period. Worth a second look.

Kind regards
Olivier

Em 07/05/2020 10:55, Dan Lewis escreveu:

Given what Caroline wrote, is it worthwhile to create a .epub version of
the complete guide? It is something that I can do.

Dan

On 5/7/20 08:54, Caroline Carlisle Tidwell wrote:

Hello.

PDF is pretty standard these days in the USA. ODT is good for the TECH
GEEK
aficionado, but not the average corporate droid. The Firefox Foundation
always sold the documentation as a published portion when they gave their
browser usage for free and I believe the Document Foundation does the
same.
Perhaps, I can go to the Barnes and Nobles and buy the LO Reference
book or
eBook at some point as I generally have to continue education expenses on
this one.

Regards,
Carlisle

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mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:


Hello,

I was recommending the Getting Started Guide to someone on Reddit today,
and looked on this page:

https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/

The link is to the ODT version, whereas for most of the other books, the
links are to PDFs. Is that something we should change? I prefer PDF
documentation myself, but maybe there's a reason for this!

Here's the PDF:

https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/BqZrc5KpLYao4Ed

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started Guide 6.4: Link to ODT or PDF?

[Dan Lewis]

Given what Caroline wrote, is it worthwhile to create a .epub version of 
the complete guide? It is something that I can do.


Dan

On 5/7/20 08:54, Caroline Carlisle Tidwell wrote:

Hello.

PDF is pretty standard these days in the USA. ODT is good for the TECH GEEK
aficionado, but not the average corporate droid. The Firefox Foundation
always sold the documentation as a published portion when they gave their
browser usage for free and I believe the Document Foundation does the same.
Perhaps, I can go to the Barnes and Nobles and buy the LO Reference book or
eBook at some point as I generally have to continue education expenses on
this one.

Regards,
Carlisle

On Thu, May 7, 2020 at 3:32 AM Mike Saunders <
mike.saund...@documentfoundation.org> wrote:


Hello,

I was recommending the Getting Started Guide to someone on Reddit today,
and looked on this page:

https://documentation.libreoffice.org/en/english-documentation/

The link is to the ODT version, whereas for most of the other books, the
links are to PDFs. Is that something we should change? I prefer PDF
documentation myself, but maybe there's a reason for this!

Here's the PDF:

https://nextcloud.documentfoundation.org/s/BqZrc5KpLYao4Ed

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] BG6400 Preface Figure 1

[Dan Lewis]

I found it. Thanks! However, what does this have to do with Base? I 
still think that any examples need to be from the specific component 
that is described in a given user guide. But I will not change this and 
the associated text without agreement.


Dan

On 5/6/20 10:42, Rob Westein wrote:

Hi Dan,
You can find this Calc dialog at Format > Page
and select Tab Sheet.

/Rob


Op 6 mei 2020 om 15:42 schreef Dan Lewis :


     I notice that this figure was added to BG6200. I have a few
questions. Why use a dialog in Calc as an example? Why not use an
example in Base? Was this a dialog that come with LibreOffice, or might
it be a window's variation? I can not find it in the Debian version at
all. (I looked for it in Calc.) This using LibreOffice versions 6.2.8.2
and 6.4.4.1.

     Earlier today, I signed out this file and updated the Guide Status.
I left an other comment that will need to be addressed. Other than that,
the Preface is ready to be returned if the problem in the first
paragraph can be resolved.

Dan


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[libreoffice-documentation] BG6400 Preface Figure 1

[Dan Lewis]

   I notice that this figure was added to BG6200. I have a few 
questions. Why use a dialog in Calc as an example? Why not use an 
example in Base? Was this a dialog that come with LibreOffice, or might 
it be a window's variation? I can not find it in the Debian version at 
all. (I looked for it in Calc.) This using LibreOffice versions 6.2.8.2 
and 6.4.4.1.


   Earlier today, I signed out this file and updated the Guide Status. 
I left an other comment that will need to be addressed. Other than that, 
the Preface is ready to be returned if the problem in the first 
paragraph can be resolved.


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: GS Chapter 8

[Dan Lewis]

On NextCloud: LibreOffice Documentation > English > Getting Started 
Guide > 6.4 > Feedback. It is presently located in this folder.


Dan


On 5/4/20 13:34, Crhonek Zdenek wrote:

On 04. 05. 20 13:53, Pulkit Krishna wrote:

Hello Everybody,
I have done the 4th review of chapter 8 of GS 6.4. The result is in the
feedback folder. Jean, now you can compile the full book for GS as well.
Pulkit Krishna



Hello,
please can you upload database files (.odb file) to the nextcloud? We 
are translating the guide and we need create localized screenshots.

Thank you
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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Base 6.2 Guide full book needs checking

[Dan Lewis]

Yes, I personally updated the styles. Sorry if I did not mark this as 
done on the Guide Status.


Dan

On 5/4/20 04:01, Martin Srebotnjak wrote:

Hi, all,

I think that GS chapter still hasn't had its styles updated.

Lp, m.

V V pon., 4. maj 2020 ob 05:05 je oseba Pulkit Krishna <
pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com> napisala:


Hello Jean,
I have taken chapter 8 of GS for its fourth review. After that you can
compile that book also.
Pulkit Krishna


On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 4:31 AM Jean Weber  wrote:


Pulkit spotted a minor error, which I have now fixed and replaced the
ODT and PDF in NextCloud.
-Jean

On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 1:24 AM randolph gamo 
wrote:

Hi Jean
I just did a high level overview and could not spot any problems.
Regards
GAMO NANA Servais Randolph,
"Au service du pauvre et du malheureux"
TEL: +237 697518768




On Sun, May 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Jean Weber 

wrote:

I've uploaded the compiled Base 6.2 Guide to the Published folder and
replaced most of the chapters in that folder with amended ones
(correcting minor things I found while compiling, like numbered lists
that didn't restart).

Please check the PDF to see if it's complete and has no glaring
errors. I had a quick look but I may have missed something. Also, the
NextCloud was throwing up error messages, so it's possible the
uploaded file might have errors.

I will not be producing a printed copy of this book any time soon,
because Lulu (where the other books have been done) has just
completely revised their website and publishing process and a lot of
things no longer work. They say they're working on fixing it.

Jean


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[libreoffice-documentation] Getting Started with Base

[Dan Lewis]

I have completed my first review of this chapter. Given that there has 
been a large amount of rewriting during the second review by Steve, it 
needs one more review before being published.


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Base Guide

[Dan Lewis]

On 4/30/20 10:43, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi Dan,


After reading Jean's email about the bug that exists on step 3 of the
Mail Merge wizard, I have decided that that part of chapter 7 needs to
be rewritten which I have done today. I am uploading it to the feedback
folder for your consideration. Now I will get back to work on GS6408.

Do I understand it the right way? There is a bug, so it doesen't work in
this special version. And now the content should be written without this
feature, because it has been lost by the buggy behaviour?

If I would do this for the whole Base-Handbuch I have a lot to do. There
is more than one feature, which isn't working in LO at this moment, but
described as it has been planned to work.

I would only give a hint: There is a buggy behavior at this moment, but
could be it is working with the version you use...

Regards

Robert


  My problem with this bug is that it has been in existence since 2018, 
perhaps 2017. It does not work for 6.2.6.1, 6.2.8.2, 6.3.6.2, nor for 
6.4.3.2. At least not for the Debian versions. So, possibly it does not 
work with Debian versions even for the 5.x.x. It does not work for MacOS 
according to Jean.


   The thing is that the Mail Merge wizard works fine when a person 
does not select a personal salutation. (Again, I have verified this with 
several of the versions I mentioned, trying several times in 
successions.) At the very least, mention should be made of what versions 
of LO are affected as well as giving a simple solution for those who 
like myself use a version that are affected.


I know that I got very discussed trying to make it work until the bug 
was reported to me. I just do not want anyone else to have to go through 
what I did without getting the results they expect.


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Base Guide

[Dan Lewis]

After reading Jean's email about the bug that exists on step 3 of the 
Mail Merge wizard, I have decided that that part of chapter 7 needs to 
be rewritten which I have done today. I am uploading it to the feedback 
folder for your consideration. Now I will get back to work on GS6408.


Dan

On 4/29/20 23:53, Pulkit Krishna wrote:

Helo Everybody,
I have put the chapter 7 of base guide 6.2 to its published folder. Now
only 1 chapter left. AHR( I don't know who is it) has done its first
review. Jean-Pierre Ledure from Access2Base has taken it to add Access2Base
documentation. After he is done , Jean Webber can take it for an additional
review to update the styles(the chapter still uses old styles).

The Base Guide 6.2 is going to be published soon I think.
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[libreoffice-documentation] Base Guide ch 7 report and more

[Dan Lewis]

   I have gone as far as I can go with mail merge. The only problem 
that I can not solve is with Step 4 of the mail merge wizard, Create a 
salutation. As long as I uncheck the box for a personal salutation, it 
works fine. Otherwise I get an two lines when there should only be one:


Dear Mr. x,
Dear Mrs. x,

Hidden paragraphs do not work either. This is for LibreOffice 6.2, 6.3, 
and 6.4 (6.4.3.2). There is a bug #118861 that involves this problem. I 
wonder if using the Debian version has anything to do with this.


So, I have uploaded the file into the feedback folder with a comment in 
that section. The Guide Status file has been updated. Someone else needs 
to look through all of the recorded changes I have made to this file.


   I have also downloaded chapter 8, Getting Started with Base. I 
should finish this by Tuesday evening (2000UTC). I did not find any 
place in the Status spreadsheet to place this information.


Dan



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[libreoffice-documentation] More problems with Mail Merge

[Dan Lewis]

I have been able to almost create a mail merge using the query, 
Readeraddresses, from the registered database, Media. (The actual 
database is Media_without_Macros.).


On the Create a Salutation, I use the field, Salutation, to indicate 
which person is a female. Since this field contains Mr. for men and Mrs. 
for women, I have placed Mrs. as the Field value. When I click at the 
bottom of the Preview window to change documents, I get Dear Mr. for the 
men and Dear Mrs. for the women. After adjusting the place where the 
salutation should be on with relationship to the Address Block of the 
letter, I click Finish.


The salutation that appears in the letter is the following three lines 
for the first person who is a male:


Dear Mrs. Lederstrumpf,
Dear Mr. Lederstrumpf,
Dear Sir/Madam,

As I use the Data to Field button to go from one person to the next one, 
the Address Block is correct, but the salutation obviously is not. Why 
isn't the top two lines exactly the same as the Preview that I had seen 
in the Mail Merge Wizard? How do I get it to show what I need:


Dear  , where salutation is either Mr. or Mrs. 
depending upon value in the Salutation field?


Dan




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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] LibreOffice Base Guide Quality and images

[Dan Lewis]

On 4/18/20 10:10, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi Rob,

seems I don't understand enough English to get the right words for it.
Could be it is only a problem in the translated book. I have had a look
at the German original and couldn't find any problematic content there.

Regards

Robert


I am not sure that it is in the translation. Here is why:

German version:

Die Feldnamen "Vorname", "Nachname" und "Geburtstag" dürften klar sein. 
Zusätzlich wurde ein Feld mit der Bezeichnung "ID" eingetragen. Dieses 
Feld soll später einen Wert aufnehmen, der die einzigartige Eigenschaft 
eines jeden Datensatzes ist. So ein einzigartiges Schlüsselfeld ist für 
die eingebettete Datenbank notwendig. Ansonsten lassen sich keine 
Datensätze in die Tabelle eingeben. Dieses Schlüsselfeld wird bei 
Datenbanken als «Primärschlüssel» bezeichnet.


Google's translation:

The field names "first name", "last name" and "birthday" should be 
clear. In addition, a field with the name "ID" was entered. This field 
will later hold a value that is the unique property of each record. Such 
a unique key field is necessary for the embedded database. Otherwise, no 
data records can be entered in the table. This key field is referred to 
as “primary key” in databases.


However, this paragraph needs to be rewritten to make it more 
meaningful. As Robert has pointed out, tables can be created in the Base 
GUI. Data can be added to such a table using Tools > SQL. My question to 
Robert is this: How can a table without a primary key be accessed in 
terms of forms, and reports? I know queries can be created with Tools > 
SQL.


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Documentation Team Wiki

[Dan Lewis]

There was a page as I remember putting some information about myself 
more than a decade ago. I even use to have the URL to that page. In the 
last year or so, I went to that page. It was empty. Here it is: 
https://wiki.documentationfoundation.org/Documentation/Team/JobDescriptions.


Dan

On 4/17/20 16:52, Jean Weber wrote:

I like the idea, and I think we had a page once. It might still be there.
It would be very out of date, of course. And I might be remembering a page
from OOo, not LO. I’ll look for it later today.

Jean

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 22:23 Pulkit Krishna
wrote:


Hello Everybody,
I found a page of design team members:-
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Design/Team

Can't we make such a page for Documentation team. I think Dan proposed this
idea in the meeting.
Pulkit Krishna



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[libreoffice-documentation] Data to Field problem

[Dan Lewis]

When Data Sources is open and a database file is selected, both Data to 
Text or Data to Field buttons are active. However, when I click Data to 
Field, no dialog opens. When I click Data to Text, the dialog opens with 
a choice of Table, Field, or Text. Is there really a reason for the Data 
to Field button at all? Should any reference to it be removed in the 
documentation? Or, is what I see not happening just a problem with the 
Linux versions?


Dan


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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Question about BG6207.

[Dan Lewis]

On 3/27/20 11:24, Dan Lewis wrote:


The row chosen for the table heading can be taken from the column 
names, or the record may be written out with space left for the 
headings to be edited in later.


This paragraph is found on page 7, 3 paragraphs below Figure 5.

I have no idea of how I can review this as I have no idea how to do this.

Dan


Then on pages 9 & 10:

To launch the database, right-click on the database itself or on one of 
its tables or queries; this immediately refreshes the display in the 
data source browser. After that the Mail Merge Wizard can be called up 
by using the corresponding button.



   Data source of current document

Click on the *Data Source of Current Document*button to open a direct 
view ofthe table which forms the basis for the data inserted into the 
document. In the above example, the Persontable from the Addresses 
database/appears/.


I get a refreshment when I right click a query or table in the Data 
Source window, but what that got to do with the Mail Merge Wizard? What 
is the corresponding button?


The Data Source of Current Document button is a mystery to me. Am I 
suppose to be in Writer when I do this? This button is only suppose to 
be available for use when it Writer or Calc. There is some  missing 
information here. I have not used Mail Merge since before 2008, so I am 
very rusty here.


Dan



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[libreoffice-documentation] Question about BG6207.

[Dan Lewis]

The row chosen for the table heading can be taken from the column names, 
or the record may be written out with space left for the headings to be 
edited in later.


This paragraph is found on page 7, 3 paragraphs below Figure 5.

I have no idea of how I can review this as I have no idea how to do this.

Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: LibreOffice Base Documentation

[Dan Lewis]

I have downloaded ch 7 for second review; Guide Status file updated; 
scheduled return Mar 31.


Dan

On 3/26/20 01:15, Pulkit Krishna wrote:

Hello Dan,
You should take chapter 7 DB connections for its second review.

Pulkit Krishna

On Wed, Mar 25, 2020 at 7:31 PM Dan Lewis  wrote:


I have complete the first review of chapter 10 uploading it to the
feedback folder. The Guide Status has also been updated. I have
something to do today but will be selecting another chapter either for
the first or second review tomorrow. Yes, tomorrow is the next meeting
at 1800 UTC (GMC for us older people...)

Dan

On 3/25/20 01:18, Jean Weber wrote:

I have now taken Appendix A for first review. Expected return date 28

March.

Jean

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 4:35 PM Jean Weber  wrote:

I may not have time to do any reviewing for several days. Sorry.
Jean

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 19:33 Pulkit Krishna 

wrote:

Hello Jean,
You can take appendix 1 for its first review.

Pulkit Krishna


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Exporting data: how is it done

[Dan Lewis]

Actually, I can answer my own question is these steps:

1. Export the script file from an embedded database.

2. Open LibreOffice in which the Class Path contains the path to the 
hsqldb.jar file for version 2.50.


3. Connect to an empty database supplying the pertinent information.

4.Using Tools > SQL, Copy and paste the contents of the script file as 
described below. This external database now contains all of the tables, 
views, and data that the embedded database has. There are no queries, 
forms, nor reports.


5. Create a copy of the embedded database.

6. In the main database window of the external database, open the copy 
of the embedded database. Since the LibreOffice doing this is using 
HSQLDB 2.50, this action will remove all of the tables, views, and data 
from the embedded database. It however contains all of the queries, 
forms, and reports.


7. Since the external database and the embedded one are both using 
HSQLDB 2.50, clicking on an individual query, form, or report and drag 
and drop it from the main database window of one to the other.


The result is an external database with all of the tables, views, data, 
queries, forms, and reports that are part of the embedded database. 
There is a problem that has to be corrected in the forms: the form 
property for each form and subform. The Content property has to be 
modified to point to the correct the name of the table or query.


Dan

On 3/25/20 10:53, Dan Lewis wrote:

I have been able to export the script file successfully. I have also 
created a new database and use Tools > SQL to copy the contents of the 
script file recreating the the database without the queries, forms, 
and reports. So, now I am thinking that this should be useful to 
update the HSQLDB version from 1.8 to 2.50. I copied an embedded 
database and place the copy in another folder. Then I exported the 
script file from one of them. I use LibreOffice 6.3 to open the second 
file. In this version, I have altered the Advance property under Tools 
> Options to add hsqldb.jar to the Class Path (for HSQLDB 2.50). Now I 
had a database with all of the queries, forms, and reports, all the 
things I was missing in the database created with the script file. So, 
this is when I use it to create the tables, views, and the data. Is 
this a fairly simple way to take an embedded database using hsqldb 1.8 
and convert it to using version 2.50?


Dan

On 3/22/20 17:48, Drew Jensen wrote:



On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 5:31 PM Drew Jensen 
mailto:drewjensen.in...@gmail.com>> wrote:




On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 5:25 PM Drew Jensen
mailto:drewjensen.in...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Ah, sorry I didn't really address your question.

To recreate the HSQLdb database in a new empty Base file
w/hsql embedded engine:

Open the exported script file in a text editor. Copy
everything after the line "CREATE SCHEMA PUBLIC AUTHORIZATION
DBA".
Everything if it all fits in 65K of text, if the file is
bigger then that you need to copy pieces of it separately.


When I have needed to do this with files bigger then 65K of text
I would copy only the parts of the file which recreate the
Tables, Relations and such. All of these DDL commands are at the
head of the file.
Then the data follows as a set of  INSERT commands. If you need
to move them in separate copy paste steps you just need to be
sure not to break any of the individual INSERT commands, which
may be multiple lines each.


One more: Kind of a power user tip!
If there is a large amount of data, and many indexes, it will go much 
faster if when you copy the paste the DDL commands you do not include 
any Create Index commands.
Then after all the data has been moved go back and apply the Create 
Index commands, this way only a single indexing update happens vs 
updating the indexes after each insert command.
--I'm not really sure how closely that would fit with the average 
Base users needs, so it would be worth a review by, or question to, 
the other folks on the docs ML IMO


Now in the new Base file open the SQL window, paste the
contents of the clipboard into it and execute the script.
This will rebuild the database and repopulate with the data.

Drew

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 5:16 PM Dan Lewis
mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com>> wrote:










On 3/22/20 15:32, Drew Jensen wrote:

Thanks for asking Pulkit.

I did search the AOO form didn't see my CSV export
tutorial (thinking it must of been on the old oooForum
and that is now kaput) - but there are plenty of
examples there of using SELECT INTO TEXT function with
the HSQL embedded dbms.

But then I got thinking that is not the only way to
answer this question. The main way people export data
from

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Exporting data: how is it done

[Dan Lewis]

I have been able to export the script file successfully. I have also 
created a new database and use Tools > SQL to copy the contents of the 
script file recreating the the database without the queries, forms, and 
reports. So, now I am thinking that this should be useful to update the 
HSQLDB version from 1.8 to 2.50.  I copied an embedded database and 
place the copy in another folder. Then I exported the script file from 
one of them. I use LibreOffice 6.3 to open the second file. In this 
version, I have altered the Advance property under Tools > Options to 
add hsqldb.jar to the Class Path (for HSQLDB 2.50). Now I had a database 
with all of the queries, forms, and reports, all the things I was 
missing in the database created with the script file. So, this is when I 
use it to create the tables, views, and the data. Is this a fairly 
simple way to take an embedded database using hsqldb 1.8 and convert it 
to using version 2.50?


Dan

On 3/22/20 17:48, Drew Jensen wrote:



On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 5:31 PM Drew Jensen 
mailto:drewjensen.in...@gmail.com>> wrote:




On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 5:25 PM Drew Jensen
mailto:drewjensen.in...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Ah, sorry I didn't really address your question.

To recreate the HSQLdb database in a new empty Base file
w/hsql embedded engine:

Open the exported script file in a text editor. Copy
everything after the line "CREATE SCHEMA PUBLIC AUTHORIZATION
DBA".
Everything if it all fits in 65K of text, if the file is
bigger then that you need to copy pieces of it separately.


When I have needed to do this with files bigger then 65K of text I
would copy only the parts of the file which recreate the Tables,
Relations and such. All of these DDL commands are at the head of
the file.
Then the data follows as a set of  INSERT commands. If you need to
move them in separate copy paste steps you just need to be sure
not to break any of the individual INSERT commands, which may be
multiple lines each.


One more: Kind of a power user tip!
If there is a large amount of data, and many indexes, it will go much 
faster if when you copy the paste the DDL commands you do not include 
any Create Index commands.
Then after all the data has been moved go back and apply the Create 
Index commands, this way only a single indexing update happens vs 
updating the indexes after each insert command.
--I'm not really sure how closely that would fit with the average Base 
users needs, so it would be worth a review by, or question to, the 
other folks on the docs ML IMO


Now in the new Base file open the SQL window, paste the
contents of the clipboard into it and execute the script.
This will rebuild the database and repopulate with the data.

Drew

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 5:16 PM Dan Lewis
mailto:elderdanle...@gmail.com>> wrote:










On 3/22/20 15:32, Drew Jensen wrote:

Thanks for asking Pulkit.

I did search the AOO form didn't see my CSV export
tutorial (thinking it must of been on the old oooForum
and that is now kaput) - but there are plenty of examples
there of using SELECT INTO TEXT function with the HSQL
embedded dbms.

But then I got thinking that is not the only way to
answer this question. The main way people export data
from base is with Calc (drag a Table icon or Query icon
to a calc sheet for instance), and that there is
already good documentation on in the Calc Guide for one
thing (it is import there, of course). If you wanted a
csv file from a table just drag it to a blank Calc file
save it as the .csv file.

Dave, does that make sense as a way to go for you?

Best wishes,

Drew


On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 10:48 PM Pulkit Krishna
mailto:pulkitkrishn...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hello Drew and Dan,
Are you done with your respective reviews?

Pulkit Krishna

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 10:13 PM Drew Jensen
mailto:drewjensen.in...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Also, others may have also, but I wrote a small
tutorial on doing this
(exporting using TEXT TABLES) for the old OOo
forums and that should be
there still. I'll go this evening and see if I
can find that and pass it
onto you if I can find it.

On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 12:37 PM Drew Jensen
mailto:drewjensen.in...@gmail.com>>
wrote:

> Howdy,
>
  

Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: LibreOffice Base Documentation

[Dan Lewis]

I have complete the first review of chapter 10 uploading it to the 
feedback folder. The Guide Status has also been updated. I have 
something to do today but will be selecting another chapter either for 
the first or second review tomorrow. Yes, tomorrow is the next meeting 
at 1800 UTC (GMC for us older people...)


Dan

On 3/25/20 01:18, Jean Weber wrote:

I have now taken Appendix A for first review. Expected return date 28 March.
Jean

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 4:35 PM Jean Weber  wrote:

I may not have time to do any reviewing for several days. Sorry.
Jean

On Thu, 19 Mar 2020 at 19:33 Pulkit Krishna  wrote:

Hello Jean,
You can take appendix 1 for its first review.

Pulkit Krishna



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Extension Manager function for Impress

[Dan Lewis]

   Templates are .OTP files; extensions are .OXT files. With 
LibreOffice open, Tools > Options > LibreOffice > Paths. The right side 
of this page shows the paths to various parts of LibreOffice, Templates 
is one of them.


   Download the templates you want for Impress. Place them in the 
template folder that is listed in the path for this purpose. Restart 
LIbreOffice. They should show up in the Impress templates.


   Actually, you could create a folder for these templates. Place them 
in that folder. Left click Templates in the list of paths which should 
highlight this line. Click the button Edit in the bottom right. Click 
"Add" and browse to the folder you have created. Close and reopen 
LIbreOffice.


Dan

On 3/25/20 08:20, Dimona Delvere wrote:

Hello Everyone,

I am currently revising the 2nd Impress chapter.

I am trying to add new templates to the Impress 6.4 version through the Extension 
Manager (Tools > Extension Manager.) It doesn't work for me.

In instructions, it is said that I have to download an .OXT file from 
http://templates.libreoffice.org/template-center

First, I wasn't able to find .OXT file. Most of the files are in otp format.

I tried to add other formats as an extension. However, it didn't update in my 
Templates dialog.

I must have missed something. It would be helpful if someone could advise me on 
it.

Dimona Delvere



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Embedded Links 4 Click Through

[Dan Lewis]

This can be done for eBook documents, and this requires the use of 
either Sigil or calibre by someone who knows what they are doing. It 
does take some time to do this. Both of these automatically make a table 
of content that links to the content. The rest of the links like those 
to figures have to be entered individually. A chapter may take 2 or 3 
days to do this.


Dan

I have used both of these programs to produce ePub files.

On 3/24/20 09:14, Caroline Carlisle Tidwell wrote:

Hello, team.

It seems in the other word processing methods for publishing that you can
embed a link to click through fairly easily. I was curious as to if we have
coded this idea using the NextCloud publishing format as it seems that the
links throughout all of the documents & chapters do not click through at
this time, but are just listed as a link. Usually, you list the link in the
text & then you sort of dig it deeper into the code with a second reference
string push on top of that one.

For the digital publishing world, I would think reading the
reference manual as an eBook would like an easy one click click through
would function? Any ideas or notes on this one for digital publishing?

Regards,
CCT

1.404.584.8180 office
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[libreoffice-documentation] Exporting data: how is it done

[Dan Lewis]

Page 6 of chapter 10 Database Maintenance contains this section. Can 
anyone explain how to actually do this? I can use SCRIPT 'database 
name'; and then SET SCRIPTFORMAT TEXT. This reduces the database folder 
within the *.odb file. But how do I use Tools > SQL after these two steps?


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: LibreOffice Base Documentation

[Dan Lewis]

I have uploaded BG6208 to the Feedback folder. I left a comment on pg 26 
where the instructions listed made it impossible for me to duplicate. A 
rewrite seems to be needed to made with more detailed instructions.


At the bottom or pg 26, daylight savings time was mentioned with a query 
that involves it. Since this begins between March 8 and 16 and then ends 
between Nov 1 and 7, I am not sure that the query is accurate. Such a 
query would be complex since the time period begins on the second Sunday 
of March to end on the first Sunday of Nov.


I have downloaded BG6210-Database_Maintenance for review #1. Given the 
size of the file, this should not take as long as I anticipated when I 
updated the spreadsheet.


Dan

On 3/11/20 11:49 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:
First review completed and uploaded to the Feedback folder. I have 
downloaded BH6208 Database Tasks for its first review. The spreadsheet 
has been updated for both of these including when I expect to finish 
the latter chapter. (I am becoming more acquainted with what needs to 
be placed where in the spreadsheet including the date format used.)


Dan

On 3/11/20 9:28 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:

I wlll be finished with the first review of this chapter today.

Dan

On 3/11/20 1:57 AM, Pulkit Krishna wrote:

Hello  Dan,
Are you done with the review of chapter 4. Are you busy? If so then 
Jean

can have the review of chapter 4.

Pulkit Krishna

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:27 AM Pulkit Krishna 


wrote:


Sorry I wanted to send the last mail to list.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:26 AM Pulkit Krishna 


wrote:


Hello  Dan,
Are you done with the review of chapter 4. Are you busy? If so 
then Jean

can have the review of chapter 4.

Pulkit Krishna

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:06 AM drew-gmail [via Document 
Foundation Mail

Archive]  wrote:


Ah ha, yes I see my mistake.

I'll give both chapters 5 and 6 in the draft folder a read in the
morning
then.

I may have one suggestion for chapter 6 based on what I read 
tonight,

but I
didn't read it all, just the sections highlighted in the comments.

Thanks again

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:31 AM Pulkit Krishna <[hidden email]
<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275279=0>>
wrote:


Hello Jean and Drew,
I have done everything Jean said for chapter 6 and have uploaded it

back to

Draft Folder. I have updated the spreadsheet.

Drew,
You can take chapter 5 & 6 for their second review.

Pulkit Krishna

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:56 AM drew-gmail [via Document 
Foundation

Mail

Archive] <[hidden email]

<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275279=1>> wrote:

No problem.

I downloaded BH6206-Reports_PK_JHW_20200311.odt from the feedback
directory
about an hour ago.

There are still a number of comments, about excising parts of the

text,

in

this file.

However if you have it with changes made I'll not worry about it.

Either way, I'm off to bed in a few minutes and will check back 
here

in

the
morning before I do anything with this file, OK.

Thanks

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 AM Pulkit Krishna <[hidden email]
<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275277=0>>
wrote:


The last messege was supposed to be for Drew.

Pulkit Krishna


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:48 AM Pulkit Krishna <[hidden email]

<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275277=1>

wrote:


Hello Jensen,
I don't understand what you are saying. I have done everything

that

Jean

said and I am uploading the chapter back to draft folder. You

can

take

the

chapter for its second review. You can also take chapter 5 for

its

second

review or chapter 8-12 for its first review.

Pulkit Krishna

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:34 AM drew-gmail [via Document

Foundation

Mail

Archive] <[hidden email]

<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275277=2>> wrote:

Howdy,

I've grabbed chapter 6 and read the comments over once.

Too a quick look at the comments.

Will read over again in the morning and make the changes, will

post

back

here when it is back in the feedback folder.

Drew

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:18 PM Jean Weber <[hidden email]
<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275274=0>>

wrote:

I have reviewed Chapter 6 (Reports), updated styles, and

returned

it

to

the

Feedback folder. I left some questions in marginal comments.
I have now taken Chapter 7 for first review.
Jean

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:49 PM Pulkit Krishna <[hidden email]

<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275274=1>>

wrote:

Hello Jean,
I have deleted the first 2 paragraphs on which you

commented in

chapter 5

of Base Guide. But for your third comment on the note, the

not

is

still

true. I have uploaded the file back to the draft folder and

have

updated

the spreadsheet.

Pulkit Krishna

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 8:59 AM Jean Weber [via Document

Foundation

Mail

Archive] <[hidden email]

<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275274=2>>

wrote:

I have reviewed Chapter 5, update

[libreoffice-documentation] Question about the Base Guide

[Dan Lewis]

Now that we have changed the name from Base Handbook, should we be 
changing how we number the chapters? Presently they are for example, 
BH6200 Preface. B6200 Preface seems to be the logical way.


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: LibreOffice Base Documentation

[Dan Lewis]

First review completed and uploaded to the Feedback folder. I have 
downloaded BH6208 Database Tasks for its first review. The spreadsheet 
has been updated for both of these including when I expect to finish the 
latter chapter. (I am becoming more acquainted with what needs to be 
placed where in the spreadsheet including the date format used.)


Dan

On 3/11/20 9:28 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:

I wlll be finished with the first review of this chapter today.

Dan

On 3/11/20 1:57 AM, Pulkit Krishna wrote:

Hello  Dan,
Are you done with the review of chapter 4. Are you busy? If so then Jean
can have the review of chapter 4.

Pulkit Krishna

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:27 AM Pulkit Krishna 


wrote:


Sorry I wanted to send the last mail to list.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:26 AM Pulkit Krishna 


wrote:


Hello  Dan,
Are you done with the review of chapter 4. Are you busy? If so then 
Jean

can have the review of chapter 4.

Pulkit Krishna

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:06 AM drew-gmail [via Document 
Foundation Mail

Archive]  wrote:


Ah ha, yes I see my mistake.

I'll give both chapters 5 and 6 in the draft folder a read in the
morning
then.

I may have one suggestion for chapter 6 based on what I read tonight,
but I
didn't read it all, just the sections highlighted in the comments.

Thanks again

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:31 AM Pulkit Krishna <[hidden email]
<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275279=0>>
wrote:


Hello Jean and Drew,
I have done everything Jean said for chapter 6 and have uploaded it

back to

Draft Folder. I have updated the spreadsheet.

Drew,
You can take chapter 5 & 6 for their second review.

Pulkit Krishna

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:56 AM drew-gmail [via Document Foundation

Mail

Archive] <[hidden email]

<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275279=1>> wrote:

No problem.

I downloaded BH6206-Reports_PK_JHW_20200311.odt from the feedback
directory
about an hour ago.

There are still a number of comments, about excising parts of the

text,

in

this file.

However if you have it with changes made I'll not worry about it.

Either way, I'm off to bed in a few minutes and will check back 
here

in

the
morning before I do anything with this file, OK.

Thanks

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 AM Pulkit Krishna <[hidden email]
<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275277=0>>
wrote:


The last messege was supposed to be for Drew.

Pulkit Krishna


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:48 AM Pulkit Krishna <[hidden email]

<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275277=1>

wrote:


Hello Jensen,
I don't understand what you are saying. I have done everything

that

Jean

said and I am uploading the chapter back to draft folder. You

can

take

the

chapter for its second review. You can also take chapter 5 for

its

second

review or chapter 8-12 for its first review.

Pulkit Krishna

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:34 AM drew-gmail [via Document

Foundation

Mail

Archive] <[hidden email]

<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275277=2>> wrote:

Howdy,

I've grabbed chapter 6 and read the comments over once.

Too a quick look at the comments.

Will read over again in the morning and make the changes, will

post

back

here when it is back in the feedback folder.

Drew

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:18 PM Jean Weber <[hidden email]
<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275274=0>>

wrote:

I have reviewed Chapter 6 (Reports), updated styles, and

returned

it

to

the

Feedback folder. I left some questions in marginal comments.
I have now taken Chapter 7 for first review.
Jean

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:49 PM Pulkit Krishna <[hidden email]

<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275274=1>>

wrote:

Hello Jean,
I have deleted the first 2 paragraphs on which you

commented in

chapter 5

of Base Guide. But for your third comment on the note, the

not

is

still

true. I have uploaded the file back to the draft folder and

have

updated

the spreadsheet.

Pulkit Krishna

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 8:59 AM Jean Weber [via Document

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Archive] <[hidden email]

<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4275274=2>>

wrote:

I have reviewed Chapter 5, updated styles, and returned

it to

the

Feedback folder. I left three questions in marginal

comments.

I have now taken Chapter 6 for first review.
Jean

On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 5:26 PM Jean Weber <[hidden email]
<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4274990=0>>

wrote:

I've taken Chapter 5 for review.
Jean

On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:07 PM Pulkit Krishna <[hidden

email]

<http:///user/SendEmail.jtp?type=node=4274990=1>>

wrote:

Hello Dan and Jean,
To Dan:
Are you done with the review of chapter 4. How much

time

will

you

take?

Kindly add the expected return date to the

spreadsheet.

To Jean:
You can take chapter 5 for its first review.


Pulkit Krishna

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Re: LibreOffice Base Documentation

[Dan Lewis]

I wlll be finished with the first review of this chapter today.

Dan

On 3/11/20 1:57 AM, Pulkit Krishna wrote:

Hello  Dan,
Are you done with the review of chapter 4. Are you busy? If so then Jean
can have the review of chapter 4.

Pulkit Krishna

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:27 AM Pulkit Krishna 
wrote:


Sorry I wanted to send the last mail to list.

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:26 AM Pulkit Krishna 
wrote:


Hello  Dan,
Are you done with the review of chapter 4. Are you busy? If so then Jean
can have the review of chapter 4.

Pulkit Krishna

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 11:06 AM drew-gmail [via Document Foundation Mail
Archive]  wrote:


Ah ha, yes I see my mistake.

I'll give both chapters 5 and 6 in the draft folder a read in the
morning
then.

I may have one suggestion for chapter 6 based on what I read tonight,
but I
didn't read it all, just the sections highlighted in the comments.

Thanks again

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:31 AM Pulkit Krishna <[hidden email]
>
wrote:


Hello Jean and Drew,
I have done everything Jean said for chapter 6 and have uploaded it

back to

Draft Folder. I have updated the spreadsheet.

Drew,
You can take chapter 5 & 6 for their second review.

Pulkit Krishna

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Mail

Archive] <[hidden email]

> wrote:

No problem.

I downloaded BH6206-Reports_PK_JHW_20200311.odt from the feedback
directory
about an hour ago.

There are still a number of comments, about excising parts of the

text,

in

this file.

However if you have it with changes made I'll not worry about it.

Either way, I'm off to bed in a few minutes and will check back here

in

the
morning before I do anything with this file, OK.

Thanks

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 1:19 AM Pulkit Krishna <[hidden email]
>
wrote:


The last messege was supposed to be for Drew.

Pulkit Krishna


On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:48 AM Pulkit Krishna <[hidden email]



wrote:


Hello Jensen,
I don't understand what you are saying. I have done everything

that

Jean

said and I am uploading the chapter back to draft folder. You

can

take

the

chapter for its second review. You can also take chapter 5 for

its

second

review or chapter 8-12 for its first review.

Pulkit Krishna

On Wed, Mar 11, 2020 at 10:34 AM drew-gmail [via Document

Foundation

Mail

Archive] <[hidden email]

> wrote:

Howdy,

I've grabbed chapter 6 and read the comments over once.

Too a quick look at the comments.

Will read over again in the morning and make the changes, will

post

back

here when it is back in the feedback folder.

Drew

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 9:18 PM Jean Weber <[hidden email]
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wrote:

I have reviewed Chapter 6 (Reports), updated styles, and

returned

it

to

the

Feedback folder. I left some questions in marginal comments.
I have now taken Chapter 7 for first review.
Jean

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 2:49 PM Pulkit Krishna <[hidden email]

>

wrote:

Hello Jean,
I have deleted the first 2 paragraphs on which you

commented in

chapter 5

of Base Guide. But for your third comment on the note, the

not

is

still

true. I have uploaded the file back to the draft folder and

have

updated

the spreadsheet.

Pulkit Krishna

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 8:59 AM Jean Weber [via Document

Foundation

Mail

Archive] <[hidden email]

>

wrote:

I have reviewed Chapter 5, updated styles, and returned

it to

the

Feedback folder. I left three questions in marginal

comments.

I have now taken Chapter 6 for first review.
Jean

On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 5:26 PM Jean Weber <[hidden email]
>

wrote:

I've taken Chapter 5 for review.
Jean

On Sat, Mar 7, 2020 at 4:07 PM Pulkit Krishna <[hidden

email]

>

wrote:

Hello Dan and Jean,
To Dan:
Are you done with the review of chapter 4. How much

time

will

you

take?

Kindly add the expected return date to the

spreadsheet.

To Jean:
You can take chapter 5 for its first review.


Pulkit Krishna

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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Resume documentation team call?

[Dan Lewis]

+1

On 3/4/20 4:05 PM, Olivier Hallot wrote:

Hi Documentation Team (Guides, Help contents) !

Shall we resume our documetnation call? Is affirmative I suggest that
our documentation team meeting will take place this Thrursday 3/5/2020
at 18:00 UTC

We will use the following jitsi  meeting room

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The meeting room is supposed to work will all browsers without the need
of a specific plugin. You can use a mobile app in your Android or Iphone.

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[libreoffice-documentation] Upload/download

[Dan Lewis]

   I have uploaded chapter 3 of the Base Guide to the feedback folder. 
I have updated many of the styles especially the character ones. I may 
have missed some. Also, the screenshots that contain icons need to be 
updated. (The icon set needs to be Colibre, and it is not.)


   I have also downloaded chapter 4, Forms for its first review.

Dan


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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Question about Base chapter 3: tables

[Dan Lewis]

Never mind! I just realize that this is part of the dialog used to copy 
data from one data source to another.


Dan


On 2/26/20 2:30 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:


  On page 43 at the bottom of the page is this paragraph:

The formatting of table types often requires adjustment. Usually the 
fields have been predefined as text fields with a very large size. 
Numeric and date fields should therefore be reset using *Type 
**formatting> **Column information **> **Field type*. In the case 
of decimal numbers, you will need to check the number of decimal places.


I have no idea what this means. What part of Base has been opened that 
would have this menu path?


Dan




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[libreoffice-documentation] Question about Base chapter 3: tables

[Dan Lewis]

  On page 43 at the bottom of the page is this paragraph:

The formatting of table types often requires adjustment. Usually the 
fields have been predefined as text fields with a very large size. 
Numeric and date fields should therefore be reset using *Type 
**formatting> **Column information **> **Field type*. In the case 
of decimal numbers, you will need to check the number of decimal places.


I have no idea what this means. What part of Base has been opened that 
would have this menu path?


Dan



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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Should Base Handbook be named Base Guide?

[Dan Lewis]

On 2/22/20 8:26 PM, Jean Weber wrote:

All the other user guides in English are called “Guide”, and AFAIK no one
is going to proceed with a different book on Base, so I think we should
name this one Base Guide to fit in with the series.

Jean


 As we both remember some time ago, Base Handbook is only the 
translation of Base Handbuch from German. Having just looking at the 
German website for LibreOffice, I selected the Documentation section. 
What we call guides, they call Handbücher which is the plural of Handbuch.


So, it makes total sense to me to change Base Handbook to Base Guide. It 
is consistent.


Dan


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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Handbook on the Cloud

[Dan Lewis]

I have uploaded my review for chapter 2 to the feedback folder and 
updated the Guide status spreadsheet. I have also downloaded chapter 3 
for its first review. (This is progressing rather nicely.


Dan

On 2/7/20 11:46 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:


On 2/6/20 1:34 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:


On 2/6/20 11:59 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:
Pulkit Krishna  has translated several chapters of the Base Handbuch 
into English (Base Handbook) placing them in the Draft folder on the 
cloud. I have decided to go with his translations rather than having 
both his translations and mine. So, I have deleted mine from this 
folder. (I still have my personal copies on my hard drive if 
needed.) Furthermore, I have downloaded the Preference chapter from 
this folder for its first review.


The spreadsheet use for tracking work on these chapters has been 
updated. First I entered the names of all of the chapters in the 
Base Handbook. I also entered my information for the first review.


Dan

I have reviewed the Preface and returned it to the cloud into the 
Feedback folder. It has one screen shot that needs to be updated. The 
styles of the chapter 6.x template were uploaded to this chapter to 
provide an needed style. I changed  the name of the icon set that is 
used in all screenshots for Galaxy to Colibre.


I have also downloaded chapter 1 of the Base Guide for its first review.

Dan

I have now uploaded chapter 1 to the feedback folder. It is going to 
need some if not all of the screenshots redone; Galaxy had been used 
for icons instead of Colibre. A couple of screenshots have some German 
in them. Only minor changes were made as in adding or deleting a word 
or two.


I have also downloaded chapter 2 for its first review. The worksheet 
has been updated for both these actions.


Dan



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[libreoffice-documentation] Organizing Base Handbook

[Dan Lewis]

   Yes, Pulkit, I would like very much to collaborate with you on 
getting version 6.2 published. I have some suggestions on doing that.


   In the Preface chapter text, I changed the mentioning of the Galaxy 
icons to Colibre icons. The team decided to change that to Colibre last 
year. I only mention this in case you are not presently using Colibre icons.


   I also noticed in chapter 1 that some of the screenshots had 
headings at the top of them in German. I don't know why, but new 
screenshots are needed. I have left a note at each screenshot that I 
think needs to be redone. Rob has promised to do this for us.


And to Rob: make sure when you are finished with the screenshots and 
return it to the Feedback folder that you update the work spreadsheet in 
the Replace screenshot column with the date returned. Also make sure you 
use the Windows O/S to do this.


Back to Pulkit: I would like for you to continue translating the rest of 
the chapters after which I will review them. Just make sure to let the 
team on this mailing list when you upload any file in the Base Handbook 
folders.


When version 6.2 is completed, it will be time to first consider the 
updating it to version 6.4 which should not take much time to do.


As I side issue, Pulkit, have I missed an email to the list from you in 
which you introduced yourself to us? If you have not done so, please do 
so we all know what talents that you possess.


Dan


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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Handbook on the Cloud

[Dan Lewis]

On 2/6/20 1:34 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:


On 2/6/20 11:59 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:
Pulkit Krishna  has translated several chapters of the Base Handbuch 
into English (Base Handbook) placing them in the Draft folder on the 
cloud. I have decided to go with his translations rather than having 
both his translations and mine. So, I have deleted mine from this 
folder. (I still have my personal copies on my hard drive if needed.) 
Furthermore, I have downloaded the Preference chapter from this 
folder for its first review.


The spreadsheet use for tracking work on these chapters has been 
updated. First I entered the names of all of the chapters in the Base 
Handbook. I also entered my information for the first review.


Dan

I have reviewed the Preface and returned it to the cloud into the 
Feedback folder. It has one screen shot that needs to be updated. The 
styles of the chapter 6.x template were uploaded to this chapter to 
provide an needed style. I changed  the name of the icon set that is 
used in all screenshots for Galaxy to Colibre.


I have also downloaded chapter 1 of the Base Guide for its first review.

Dan

I have now uploaded chapter 1 to the feedback folder. It is going to 
need some if not all of the screenshots redone; Galaxy had been used for 
icons instead of Colibre. A couple of screenshots have some German in 
them. Only minor changes were made as in adding or deleting a word or two.


I have also downloaded chapter 2 for its first review. The worksheet has 
been updated for both these actions.


Dan


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[libreoffice-documentation] Re: Base Handbook on the Cloud

[Dan Lewis]

On 2/6/20 11:59 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:
Pulkit Krishna  has translated several chapters of the Base Handbuch 
into English (Base Handbook) placing them in the Draft folder on the 
cloud. I have decided to go with his translations rather than having 
both his translations and mine. So, I have deleted mine from this 
folder. (I still have my personal copies on my hard drive if needed.) 
Furthermore, I have downloaded the Preference chapter from this folder 
for its first review.


The spreadsheet use for tracking work on these chapters has been 
updated. First I entered the names of all of the chapters in the Base 
Handbook. I also entered my information for the first review.


Dan

I have reviewed the Preface and returned it to the cloud into the 
Feedback folder. It has one screen shot that needs to be updated. The 
styles of the chapter 6.x template were uploaded to this chapter to 
provide an needed style. I changed  the name of the icon set that is 
used in all screenshots for Galaxy to Colibre.


I have also downloaded chapter 1 of the Base Guide for its first review.

Dan


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[libreoffice-documentation] Base Handbook on the Cloud

[Dan Lewis]

Pulkit Krishna  has translated several chapters of the Base Handbuch 
into English (Base Handbook) placing them in the Draft folder on the 
cloud. I have decided to go with his translations rather than having 
both his translations and mine. So, I have deleted mine from this 
folder. (I still have my personal copies on my hard drive if needed.) 
Furthermore, I have downloaded the Preference chapter from this folder 
for its first review.


The spreadsheet use for tracking work on these chapters has been 
updated. First I entered the names of all of the chapters in the Base 
Handbook. I also entered my information for the first review.


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] Chapter 2 of Base Handbook uploaded

[Dan Lewis]

On 2/5/20 2:17 PM, Robert Großkopf wrote:

Hi Dan,

Another thing: there is very little change in Base since 6.2, so These
few choice need to be added and used for version 6.4.

There is a permanent update for the German version of the Handbook.
Latest update ins from 2020-02-04.
See https://www.familiegrosskopf.de/robert/

When I had a look at
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.4#Base
there is nothing I would add to the Handbook, because it is a special
Addon, which has been changed (Access2Base).

And
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/ReleaseNotes/6.3#Base
Don't know if this is ironically: 13 bugs have been solved in Base and
this is written down for a Release note - but 539 bugs are open.

Where is the littel change you are writing about? Couldn't be the
"Firebird Migration Assistant", which has appeard in the first LO 6.3 as
not experimental but was so experimental that it disappeard a little bit
later?

Regards

Robert


I was speaking in general knowing that Base does not get very much 
attention by the developers. I had not checked closely on specific 
things that might have changed. So, if I understand you, there is 
nothing new to be added to LO 6.2 to make it 6.4.


Last weekend I filed a bug about the Firebird direct connector. (130334 
) There 
seems to be a problem with tables with primary keys containing 3 fields. 
Employee.fdb contains two tables with this property (JOB, PROJ_DEPT_BUDGET).


I have run into a problem with connecting to firebird using either Java 
or ODBC. The error message involves connecting to localhost in both 
cases. Perhaps it is my firewall that is doing this.


Dan


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[libreoffice-documentation] Chapter 2 of Base Handbook uploaded

[Dan Lewis]

   I have loaded my version of this chapter in the Draft folder.

Who is PK? When I did my uploading, I noticed several chapters of the 
Base Handbook were already in the Draft folder by this person. Yet I 
have not seen any notice of anyone uploading them last month. I would 
think that it would be nice for the two of us to collaborate to get this 
Guide finished.


Another thing: there is very little change in Base since 6.2, so These 
few choice need to be added and used for version 6.4.


Dan


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Re: [libreoffice-documentation] modifying default for date in calc

[Dan Lewis]

In the Format Cells dialog, place D- MMM- YY in Format Code. Click OK. 
You could also use DD-MMM-YY if you want the date to always be two digits.


Dan

On 1/16/20 9:47 AM, Donald Rush wrote:

Unfortunately, hours of reading calc help do not satisfactorily answer a
simple question:  I want the date in a cell to be shown as 16-Jan-20 rather
than 1/16/20 or any other option.  Time and again, whatever is tried will
not save that modification to date when I push the button for insert date
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