Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Hi Clive, I guess you mean Mint 20.2? You should do Mint upgrades this way, as suggested by the Mint team: https://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=3946, and then update to Mint 20.1/20.2. Unless of course you're doing a fresh install :) Hamish On 22/02/2021 18:36, CA Wills wrote: > As I last said I'd report outcome of this weekends trials:- > > Everything worked fine over the weekend on the Huawei HG633 router, so > laptop wireless OK. > > Late this afternoon re-installed the Sagecom Super Router (after > router reset) and after checking with other wireless kit it worked but > still my laptop did not connect! Looked as if it was trying to > connect to next door (Next door is on channel 6!!) but wireless > details were incorrect obviously! Looking around the settings the > router was set on Channel _11_, changed to channel 1 and all fine. > > Don't understand why it tried channel 11 as it has never been set > before and the tablet had connected OK. > > Will leave it all 'as is' and see if any changes take place in the > next week or so. Still not sure what caused the problem, which I > don't like but will stick with it. > Thanks again for all the suggestions and help. hope this is 'it' for a > few weeks and no changes to anything now until the OS Mint update > comes in April when I hope to upgrade to Mint 20.04 with a live disc. > See you next week on Jitsi. > > > Happy Bunny > > > On 20/02/2021 14:38, PeterMerchant wrote: >> On 20/02/2021 13:01, Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty wrote: >>> I haven't been following this, but have you checked for a firmware >>> update for the router that might fix the issue? >>> >>> Hamish >>> >>> On 20/02/2021 12:56, CA Wills wrote: Started a new email on this subject due to delays in replying. We have been relaying our patio during the week between rain showers, so have not had a clear time slot to 'play'. Update today. 1200hrs. Removed all connections from the TT Super(?) Router and replaced using the very old previous Huawei HG633 router. After reconnecting to old HG633 router and checking I had wireless set up, it showed that Lily's Tablet had connected automatically via wireless. Then set up my laptop (wireless) and it connected OK; moved into the Living room and still connected; proved that the _laptop_ wireless is OK. Checked speed and appears no loss in speed. Conclusion is that something on the 'new' router has upset 'my' link. As we need the wireless connection for tomorrow morning, I'm staying with the 'old' router till after lunch. Next stage is to reconnect the 'new' router after setting it back to default, will then check if wireless is OK again. Hoping that may clear whatever upset my wireless. If all goes well then end of problem. If I still can't connect the laptop but all else is OK will get onto TT, report the problem and ask for a replacement router (can but hope!). As Peter reported a while back he had a similar problem with one item being rejected connection, I believe that was also with a TT router. Thanks for all the suggestions and help, will email when done reconnecting tomorrow. >> My problem was with the TT Sagemcom 'super'-router, and the one wired >> computer not connecting. This was after I think TT had upgraded the >> firmware and reset it to factory defaults. >> >> Peter >> >> signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
As I last said I'd report outcome of this weekends trials:- Everything worked fine over the weekend on the Huawei HG633 router, so laptop wireless OK. Late this afternoon re-installed the Sagecom Super Router (after router reset) and after checking with other wireless kit it worked but still my laptop did not connect! Looked as if it was trying to connect to next door (Next door is on channel 6!!) but wireless details were incorrect obviously! Looking around the settings the router was set on Channel _11_, changed to channel 1 and all fine. Don't understand why it tried channel 11 as it has never been set before and the tablet had connected OK. Will leave it all 'as is' and see if any changes take place in the next week or so. Still not sure what caused the problem, which I don't like but will stick with it. Thanks again for all the suggestions and help. hope this is 'it' for a few weeks and no changes to anything now until the OS Mint update comes in April when I hope to upgrade to Mint 20.04 with a live disc. See you next week on Jitsi. Happy Bunny On 20/02/2021 14:38, PeterMerchant wrote: On 20/02/2021 13:01, Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty wrote: I haven't been following this, but have you checked for a firmware update for the router that might fix the issue? Hamish On 20/02/2021 12:56, CA Wills wrote: Started a new email on this subject due to delays in replying. We have been relaying our patio during the week between rain showers, so have not had a clear time slot to 'play'. Update today. 1200hrs. Removed all connections from the TT Super(?) Router and replaced using the very old previous Huawei HG633 router. After reconnecting to old HG633 router and checking I had wireless set up, it showed that Lily's Tablet had connected automatically via wireless. Then set up my laptop (wireless) and it connected OK; moved into the Living room and still connected; proved that the _laptop_ wireless is OK. Checked speed and appears no loss in speed. Conclusion is that something on the 'new' router has upset 'my' link. As we need the wireless connection for tomorrow morning, I'm staying with the 'old' router till after lunch. Next stage is to reconnect the 'new' router after setting it back to default, will then check if wireless is OK again. Hoping that may clear whatever upset my wireless. If all goes well then end of problem. If I still can't connect the laptop but all else is OK will get onto TT, report the problem and ask for a replacement router (can but hope!). As Peter reported a while back he had a similar problem with one item being rejected connection, I believe that was also with a TT router. Thanks for all the suggestions and help, will email when done reconnecting tomorrow. My problem was with the TT Sagemcom 'super'-router, and the one wired computer not connecting. This was after I think TT had upgraded the firmware and reset it to factory defaults. Peter -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On 20/02/2021 13:01, Hamish McIntyre-Bhatty wrote: I haven't been following this, but have you checked for a firmware update for the router that might fix the issue? Hamish On 20/02/2021 12:56, CA Wills wrote: Started a new email on this subject due to delays in replying. We have been relaying our patio during the week between rain showers, so have not had a clear time slot to 'play'. Update today. 1200hrs. Removed all connections from the TT Super(?) Router and replaced using the very old previous Huawei HG633 router. After reconnecting to old HG633 router and checking I had wireless set up, it showed that Lily's Tablet had connected automatically via wireless. Then set up my laptop (wireless) and it connected OK; moved into the Living room and still connected; proved that the _laptop_ wireless is OK. Checked speed and appears no loss in speed. Conclusion is that something on the 'new' router has upset 'my' link. As we need the wireless connection for tomorrow morning, I'm staying with the 'old' router till after lunch. Next stage is to reconnect the 'new' router after setting it back to default, will then check if wireless is OK again. Hoping that may clear whatever upset my wireless. If all goes well then end of problem. If I still can't connect the laptop but all else is OK will get onto TT, report the problem and ask for a replacement router (can but hope!). As Peter reported a while back he had a similar problem with one item being rejected connection, I believe that was also with a TT router. Thanks for all the suggestions and help, will email when done reconnecting tomorrow. My problem was with the TT Sagemcom 'super'-router, and the one wired computer not connecting. This was after I think TT had upgraded the firmware and reset it to factory defaults. Peter -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
I haven't been following this, but have you checked for a firmware update for the router that might fix the issue? Hamish On 20/02/2021 12:56, CA Wills wrote: > Started a new email on this subject due to delays in replying. We have > been relaying our patio during the week between rain showers, so have > not had a clear time slot to 'play'. > > Update today. 1200hrs. > > Removed all connections from the TT Super(?) Router and replaced using > the very old previous Huawei HG633 router. > > After reconnecting to old HG633 router and checking I had wireless set > up, it showed that Lily's Tablet had connected automatically via > wireless. > > Then set up my laptop (wireless) and it connected OK; moved into the > Living room and still connected; proved that the _laptop_ wireless is > OK. Checked speed and appears no loss in speed. > > Conclusion is that something on the 'new' router has upset 'my' link. > As we need the wireless connection for tomorrow morning, I'm staying > with the 'old' router till after lunch. > > Next stage is to reconnect the 'new' router after setting it back to > default, will then check if wireless is OK again. Hoping that may > clear whatever upset my wireless. > > If all goes well then end of problem. If I still can't connect the > laptop but all else is OK will get onto TT, report the problem and ask > for a replacement router (can but hope!). As Peter reported a while > back he had a similar problem with one item being rejected connection, > I believe that was also with a TT router. > > Thanks for all the suggestions and help, will email when done > reconnecting tomorrow. > signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Started a new email on this subject due to delays in replying. We have been relaying our patio during the week between rain showers, so have not had a clear time slot to 'play'. Update today. 1200hrs. Removed all connections from the TT Super(?) Router and replaced using the very old previous Huawei HG633 router. After reconnecting to old HG633 router and checking I had wireless set up, it showed that Lily's Tablet had connected automatically via wireless. Then set up my laptop (wireless) and it connected OK; moved into the Living room and still connected; proved that the _laptop_ wireless is OK. Checked speed and appears no loss in speed. Conclusion is that something on the 'new' router has upset 'my' link. As we need the wireless connection for tomorrow morning, I'm staying with the 'old' router till after lunch. Next stage is to reconnect the 'new' router after setting it back to default, will then check if wireless is OK again. Hoping that may clear whatever upset my wireless. If all goes well then end of problem. If I still can't connect the laptop but all else is OK will get onto TT, report the problem and ask for a replacement router (can but hope!). As Peter reported a while back he had a similar problem with one item being rejected connection, I believe that was also with a TT router. Thanks for all the suggestions and help, will email when done reconnecting tomorrow. -- -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On 14/02/2021 08:49, PeterMerchant wrote: I nearly bought one of these Wifi double sockets with USB point https://www.screwfix.com/p/lap-13a-2-gang-sp-switched-wi-fi-extender-2-1a-1-outlet-usb-charger-white/988fv except that I then thought of the cost of having an electrician in to fit it or approve the work. Years ago I would have just done it. Now I have lost one of the sockets in my kitchen for the extender - it was only used for a USB charger anyway. Does anyone have any experience of these? I was a bit concerned about the wifi coverage as that is what I needed it for. So they've taken an electrical socket, a USB type A socket, a USB power supply with decent electrical isolation and a WLAN access point and shoe-horned all of them into a double socket with switches and haven't compromised the safety of any of that, and can make it for less than £17.24? At least they do say it's only 15 metres range. I wonder if that's 15 metres in a plastic back-box in plasterboard, or in a metal back-box in a brick wall? For something which will be in the house for presumably at least 10 years, I'd want dual band and the latest WLAN standard, which seems to be 802.11ax at the moment. (Actually I'd want 60 GHz as well.) I would also want it to run OpenWRT so I don't have to worry when the manufacturer stops supporting it. Having seen tear-downs of cheap USB power supplies, I would also want to test the electrical separation of the 5 V power supply in it. Having a brand name on it, this one will probably have more than one layer of varnish between the mains and USB chassis. It should have two layers of varnish and a few layers of tape. Could you hide a WLAN access point on top of a cupboard? Perhaps plugged in to a mains double-adapter with 13 A fuse, so you can plug something else in to the socket as well? -- Andrew. -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On Saturday, 13 February 2021 15:32:21 GMT PeterMerchant wrote: > I have a TP-Link 305 Wifi extender and it was not easy to set up, as a > matter of fact the 'remote' wifi connection I was unable to change the > SSID, though I could change the security Key. My extender is Netgear WN3000RPv3, which is now very old and is no longer available except at a vastly inflated price. However, it defaults to creating a new AP on the same channel and ESSID as the original, but it also allows everything to be changed. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On 13/02/2021 14:00, Terry Coles wrote: On Saturday, 13 February 2021 13:50:55 GMT PeterMerchant wrote: Powerline adapters might be a solution for Clive, Argos? If he's going to have to spend money then it's probably cheaper to by a USB WiFi Adaptor or a WiFi Extender: https://www.argos.co.uk/product/1286627? clickSR=slp:term:plug%20in%20wifi%20booster:1:15:1 True, This upstairs PC now connects via the downstairs extender that I got in order to give us coverage in the Kitchen instead of directly to the router, and the powerline adapters are only used for when I connect a R-Pi to the router to update it or get software. [I mentioned once before that the Wifi connection was faster than the Powerline link]. I had been about to suggest that if he got powerline adapters, to get one with a passthrough mains so that you don't lose a socket. I have a TP-Link 305 Wifi extender and it was not easy to set up, as a matter of fact the 'remote' wifi connection I was unable to change the SSID, though I could change the security Key. Peter -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On Fri, 12 Feb 2021 15:39:13 +, Ralph Corderoy wrote: > So I suspect either the laptop or router have changed something > related to password access around the time it stopped > working. Given your Android tablet doesn't have problems, this > suggests the laptop's configuration. I am inclined to agree that this seems to be a problem with the laptop itself. One test you could do is try running a live Linux distribution on the laptop and see if the WiFi works in that. If you can get the WiFi to work properly in any live distro, then you know there's most likely a problem with the software on the laptop, and not a problem with the router or a problem with the laptop's hardware. If you cannot get the WiFi to work in a live distro, then the result is less conclusive, because it could just be a problem with the live distro. Certainly if the problem is worse in the live distro than it is normally, then I would not be jumping to conclusions about the laptop. Now a couple of associations I made in my mind about this: 1. You would get these symptoms if your laptop's WiFi adapter was being blocked by a MAC address filter on the router. (That is, either the WiFi adapter's MAC address is on a list of ones to block, or it is not on a list of ones to allow.) 2. Sometimes, wires that pass through the hinges of laptops can become damaged by the hinge motion over time. WiFi coax cables usually go through the hinges, and if one of those got damaged, it might cause the symptoms of being able to see networks but not connect to any them. It probably wouldn't cause problems with just one specific network, although it might cause problems with a specific WiFi channel. I'm not saying these are likely causes. In fact, neither of them seems very likely. But they came into my mind, and maybe they remind someone of something else. Patrick -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On Saturday, 13 February 2021 13:50:55 GMT PeterMerchant wrote: > Powerline adapters might be a solution for Clive, Argos? If he's going to have to spend money then it's probably cheaper to by a USB WiFi Adaptor or a WiFi Extender: https://www.argos.co.uk/product/1286627? clickSR=slp:term:plug%20in%20wifi%20booster:1:15:1 -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On 13/02/2021 13:46, PeterMerchant wrote: On 13/02/2021 13:06, Terry Coles wrote: On Saturday, 13 February 2021 11:20:30 GMT CA Wills wrote: As Peter said below, this seems to be the same problem, only one item not connecting. So a question: if I have another router (a previous TT one) can I: Using the additional router.; 1. Connect it up exactly as the present one (same name) but located in the living room where I most use my laptop, wiil it work? Or will it interfere with the original? ((Approx 7m + 2 walls away) You can only have one Router connected to the phone line, but otherwise setting the old one up as a repeater would probably be the best thing to do, providing that the old Router can be set up that way. I can't comment on that without seeing the Model Number (and always assuming that TT provide a downloadable manual). If that isn't possible, you may be able to connect the old router to the new one with an Ethernet cable and set the old one ups as an AP with the same ESSID and credentials. You'd need to have them in the same room in that case (or drill holes in your walls). Looking at my old 3Com router that I am using as a repeater over powerline adapters, I can't find a configuration item to disable ADSL, But what Clive must do is disable DHCP on the remote router. I think that is all that I did. This remote router has different Wifi settings. The system status does show WAN connection type: N.A. and Status: DISCONNECTED, but of course it would. Peter Powerline adapters might be a solution for Clive, Argos? -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On 13/02/2021 13:06, Terry Coles wrote: On Saturday, 13 February 2021 11:20:30 GMT CA Wills wrote: As Peter said below, this seems to be the same problem, only one item not connecting. So a question: if I have another router (a previous TT one) can I: Using the additional router.; 1. Connect it up exactly as the present one (same name) but located in the living room where I most use my laptop, wiil it work? Or will it interfere with the original? ((Approx 7m + 2 walls away) You can only have one Router connected to the phone line, but otherwise setting the old one up as a repeater would probably be the best thing to do, providing that the old Router can be set up that way. I can't comment on that without seeing the Model Number (and always assuming that TT provide a downloadable manual). If that isn't possible, you may be able to connect the old router to the new one with an Ethernet cable and set the old one ups as an AP with the same ESSID and credentials. You'd need to have them in the same room in that case (or drill holes in your walls). Looking at my old 3Com router that I am using as a repeater over powerline adapters, I can't find a configuration item to disable ADSL, But what Clive must do is disable DHCP on the remote router. I think that is all that I did. This remote router has different Wifi settings. The system status does show WAN connection type: N.A. and Status: DISCONNECTED, but of course it would. Peter Peter -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On Saturday, 13 February 2021 11:20:30 GMT CA Wills wrote: > As Peter said below, this seems to be the same problem, only one item > not connecting. > > So a question: if I have another router (a previous TT one) can I: > > Using the additional router.; > > 1. Connect it up exactly as the present one (same name) but located in > the living room where I most use my laptop, wiil it work? Or will it > interfere with the original? ((Approx 7m + 2 walls away) You can only have one Router connected to the phone line, but otherwise setting the old one up as a repeater would probably be the best thing to do, providing that the old Router can be set up that way. I can't comment on that without seeing the Model Number (and always assuming that TT provide a downloadable manual). If that isn't possible, you may be able to connect the old router to the new one with an Ethernet cable and set the old one ups as an AP with the same ESSID and credentials. You'd need to have them in the same room in that case (or drill holes in your walls). -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
As Peter said below, this seems to be the same problem, only one item not connecting. So a question: if I have another router (a previous TT one) can I: Using the additional router.; 1. Connect it up exactly as the present one (same name) but located in the living room where I most use my laptop, wiil it work? Or will it interfere with the original? ((Approx 7m + 2 walls away) 2. Setup the second router with the same name but add a '1' after it, will that work? (routername1) 3. Or do I have to set the second router up as a 'link' (AP?) to the main router, if so how? As this problem is only with my laptop and the wireless card seems to be working correctly, connecting via another device (second router) would seem to be a way around it, plus it's likely that the signal would be stronger, as the second router will be in the same room with no walls between rouer2/laptop. Since last reporting I've deleted Thunderbird and reinstalled after computer reset. Deleted (on laptop) the wireless setup, reset computer, then setup the wireless. No affect from either. Wireless is locked in a loop trying to connect very minutes approx, as Ralphs 'peekwifi' confirms. On 12/02/2021 19:26, PeterMerchant wrote: On 11/02/2021 09:06, CA Wills wrote: Hi All My wireless connection to the router keeps dropping out even though it reports 64% signal. Yesterday everything was OK all day but this morning no connection. The router is mounted on a high shelf in a room with 2 single brick walls between. This problem has recently started (since mid Jan), it's not consistent and nothing has changed with settings on the laptop. I have thought that perhaps the wireless card in the laptop is failing but would that not be permanent? The card is fixed and held by 2 screws to the motherboard. Do cards fail as they age? I've just moved into the room with the router and the signal is 89% but still no connection. I will now plug in an Ethernet cable to send this. Clive, i just had a thought. Which Router are you using - Is it a TT Sagemcom? I have been having problems with my Sagemcom in that one device many times will not connect to it. It happens to be the only computer wired into it, and has a fixed IP address. Many mornings it just would not connect, no matter how many times I disabled and enabled the interface, and many times caused the router to reboot. I have reverted back to the previous router which I think is the D-Link with exactly the same configuration and it works, well, it works. Can you swap out your router and see if the problem persists? Peter -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On 11/02/2021 09:06, CA Wills wrote: Hi All My wireless connection to the router keeps dropping out even though it reports 64% signal. Yesterday everything was OK all day but this morning no connection. The router is mounted on a high shelf in a room with 2 single brick walls between. This problem has recently started (since mid Jan), it's not consistent and nothing has changed with settings on the laptop. I have thought that perhaps the wireless card in the laptop is failing but would that not be permanent? The card is fixed and held by 2 screws to the motherboard. Do cards fail as they age? I've just moved into the room with the router and the signal is 89% but still no connection. I will now plug in an Ethernet cable to send this. Clive, i just had a thought. Which Router are you using - Is it a TT Sagemcom? I have been having problems with my Sagemcom in that one device many times will not connect to it. It happens to be the only computer wired into it, and has a fixed IP address. Many mornings it just would not connect, no matter how many times I disabled and enabled the interface, and many times caused the router to reboot. I have reverted back to the previous router which I think is the D-Link with exactly the same configuration and it works, well, it works. Can you swap out your router and see if the problem persists? Peter -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Hi Ralph I've noticed that the wireless seems to be in a loop as it keeps trying connect then drops out. Thinking back over the weeks, it was working OK last week but failed on Monday(?) at first switch on. Before when this happened it was the same, worked a week then not. I'll have another look at the setup but nothing has been changed by me, once working leave it! Clive On 12/02/2021 15:39, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Hi Clive, To try and stop the same happening when you send back the text file with the results, rename it to end with ‘.txt’ first. I got the results. There doesn't look to be anything wrong with the hardware. The interesting bits are + rfkill list 0: hci0: Bluetooth Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no 1: phy0: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no So I don't think the laptop's Wi-Fi is turned off. + sudo iw dev wlp2s0 scan+ The top SSID has ‘signal: -38.00 dBm’ which is good enough. + dmesg -x + grep -1 wlp2s0 kern :info : [ 13.432565] input: HDA Intel PCH HDMI/DP,pcm=3 as /devices/pci:00/:00:1b.0/sound/card0/input15 kern :info : [ 13.497670] ath9k :02:00.0 wlp2s0: renamed from wlan0 kern :info : [ 13.566622] mc: Linux media interface: v0.10 It's using the ath9k driver. kern :info : [ 32.779652] wlp2s0: authenticate with 80:20:da:66:82:a5 kern :info : [ 32.794320] wlp2s0: send auth to 80:20:da:66:82:a5 (try 1/3) kern :info : [ 32.796309] wlp2s0: 80:20:da:66:82:a5 denied authentication (status 1) kern :info : [ 34.094671] wlp2s0: authenticate with 80:20:da:66:82:a5 kern :info : [ 34.115235] wlp2s0: send auth to 80:20:da:66:82:a5 (try 1/3) kern :info : [ 34.117276] wlp2s0: 80:20:da:66:82:a5 denied authentication (status 1) These triples repeat quite a few times half a minute after booting. I haven't found out what ‘status 1’ means. Anyone else here know? kern :info : [ 4314.610016] wlp2s0: authenticate with 80:20:da:66:82:a5 kern :info : [ 4314.624777] wlp2s0: send auth to 80:20:da:66:82:a5 (try 1/3) kern :info : [ 4314.626753] wlp2s0: 80:20:da:66:82:a5 denied authentication (status 1) And the same again when you try Wi-Fi 1h11m later. So I suspect either the laptop or router have changed something related to password access around the time it stopped working. Given your Android tablet doesn't have problems, this suggests the laptop's configuration. Could anything have been changed when you were talking with TalkTalk about your ISP connection problems? Or you've had a package upgrade on Linux Mint which has broken something. Does /var/log/apt/history.log have anything in around the time the problem started? -- -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Hi Clive, > To try and stop the same happening when you send back the text file > with the results, rename it to end with ‘.txt’ first. I got the results. There doesn't look to be anything wrong with the hardware. The interesting bits are + rfkill list 0: hci0: Bluetooth Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no 1: phy0: Wireless LAN Soft blocked: no Hard blocked: no So I don't think the laptop's Wi-Fi is turned off. + sudo iw dev wlp2s0 scan+ The top SSID has ‘signal: -38.00 dBm’ which is good enough. + dmesg -x + grep -1 wlp2s0 kern :info : [ 13.432565] input: HDA Intel PCH HDMI/DP,pcm=3 as /devices/pci:00/:00:1b.0/sound/card0/input15 kern :info : [ 13.497670] ath9k :02:00.0 wlp2s0: renamed from wlan0 kern :info : [ 13.566622] mc: Linux media interface: v0.10 It's using the ath9k driver. kern :info : [ 32.779652] wlp2s0: authenticate with 80:20:da:66:82:a5 kern :info : [ 32.794320] wlp2s0: send auth to 80:20:da:66:82:a5 (try 1/3) kern :info : [ 32.796309] wlp2s0: 80:20:da:66:82:a5 denied authentication (status 1) kern :info : [ 34.094671] wlp2s0: authenticate with 80:20:da:66:82:a5 kern :info : [ 34.115235] wlp2s0: send auth to 80:20:da:66:82:a5 (try 1/3) kern :info : [ 34.117276] wlp2s0: 80:20:da:66:82:a5 denied authentication (status 1) These triples repeat quite a few times half a minute after booting. I haven't found out what ‘status 1’ means. Anyone else here know? kern :info : [ 4314.610016] wlp2s0: authenticate with 80:20:da:66:82:a5 kern :info : [ 4314.624777] wlp2s0: send auth to 80:20:da:66:82:a5 (try 1/3) kern :info : [ 4314.626753] wlp2s0: 80:20:da:66:82:a5 denied authentication (status 1) And the same again when you try Wi-Fi 1h11m later. So I suspect either the laptop or router have changed something related to password access around the time it stopped working. Given your Android tablet doesn't have problems, this suggests the laptop's configuration. Could anything have been changed when you were talking with TalkTalk about your ISP connection problems? Or you've had a package upgrade on Linux Mint which has broken something. Does /var/log/apt/history.log have anything in around the time the problem started? -- Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Hi again Clive, > The mailing list stripped it. To try and stop the same happening when you send back the text file with the results, rename it to end with ‘.txt’ first. -- Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Had a similar problem two-three months ago. ISP recognised it as a BT problem. Graeme On 11/02/2021 12:00, dorset-requ...@mailman.lug.org.uk wrote: Send dorset mailing list submissions to dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.lug.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/dorset or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to dorset-requ...@mailman.lug.org.uk You can reach the person managing the list at dorset-ow...@mailman.lug.org.uk When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of dorset digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Wireless dropping out (CA Wills) 2. Re: Wireless dropping out (Terry Coles) 3. Re: Wireless dropping out (Terry Coles) 4. Re: Wireless dropping out (CA Wills) 5. Re: Wireless dropping out (Terry Coles) 6. Re: Wireless dropping out (Ralph Corderoy) 7. Re: Wireless dropping out (Terry Coles) 8. Re: Wireless dropping out (PeterMerchant) 9. Re: Wireless dropping out (Keith Edmunds) -- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2021 09:06:44 + From: CA Wills To: Dorset Linux Subject: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Hi All My wireless connection to the router keeps dropping out even though it reports 64% signal. Yesterday everything was OK all day but this morning no connection. The router is mounted on a high shelf in a room with 2 single brick walls between. This problem has recently started (since mid Jan), it's not consistent and nothing has changed with settings on the laptop. I have thought that perhaps the wireless card in the laptop is failing but would that not be permanent? The card is fixed and held by 2 screws to the motherboard. Do cards fail as they age? I've just moved into the room with the router and the signal is 89% but still no connection. I will now plug in an Ethernet cable to send this. -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Hi Clive,
> Hopefully, this email will have an attached text file containing
> commands.
The mailing list stripped it. Once more, with feeling...
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Cheers, Ralph.
#! /bin/sh
w=${1?}
set -x
exec 2>&1
ip link show $w
iw dev
iw dev $w link
iw dev $w station dump
rfkill list
sudo iw dev $w scan | egrep '^BSS|signal:|SSID:'
dmesg -x | grep -1 $w
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Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:45:46 +, ci...@cewland.uk said: > To answer your question 'no' the only Fluorescent or microwave is in the > kitchen which is not in line of sight; it's off to one side by 6m+ and > has 2 extra walls between them and the router. Never had a problem > before like that. Sounds like that's not the problem, BUT don't make the mistake of deciding what isn't causing this until you know what is. -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Have you tried moving your kit to a different location? My wife's car jams our wifi - she has to park it well away. Even though I'm 6ft from the router and showing 90-100% signal. On 2.4 and 5GHz. We also have an alarm system (in a different location) which periodically reports RF jamming (at certain times of the day, and at certain times of the year). The RF spectrum is awfully congested these days. Tim -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Hi Clive, > My wireless connection to the router > keeps dropping out even though it reports 64% signal. Yesterday > everything was OK all day but this morning no connection. > > The router is mounted on a high shelf in a room with 2 single brick > walls between. This problem has recently started (since mid Jan), it's > not consistent and nothing has changed with settings on the laptop. I > have thought that perhaps the wireless card in the laptop is failing but > would that not be permanent? The card is fixed and held by 2 screws to > the motherboard. Do cards fail as they age? > > I've just moved into the room with the router and the signal is 89% but > still no connection. I will now plug in an Ethernet cable to send this. The first thing to find out for the commands to investigate is the name of your laptop's Wi-Fi interface. Running ‘ip link’ will show a list of network interfaces, and one of them will begin with ‘wl’, e.g. 2: wlp1s0: Desktop/peekwifi.out It will probably ask for your password as it uses sudo(1). Have a look at Desktop/peekwifi.out, or whatever you call the output. It should look like lots of details on the Wi-Fi interface rather than a near-empty file with a line or two of complaint. Attach it to your email reply and we'll be able to have a look. :-) Terry made the good suggestion of putting Wifi Analyzer on your Android tablet. The version I use is https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.vrem.wifianalyzer As neighbour's come and go, or change their ISP, or their router, so the channels in use around you change and more of a clash may occur. If all your neighbours are using channel 1, which may be the default on their router, then it's worth a move. The normal 2.4 GHz channels to choose between are 1, 6, and 11. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_WLAN_channels#2.4_GHz_(802.11b/g/n/ax) But that's unlikely to affect you when you've a reading of 89% signal strength showing the laptop's Wi-Fi interface is working well enough to spot the SSID it desires. It's more for a general thing to keep on top of. -- Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 12:45:46 + CA Wills wrote: > Hi Keith > > To answer your question 'no' the only Fluorescent or microwave is in the > kitchen which is not in line of sight; it's off to one side by 6m+ and > has 2 extra walls between them and the router. Never had a problem > before like that. > > Replying via Ethernet. Start from the beginning. What does the connection setup on your laptop look like? Alex -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Thanks Ralph - will try anything! Still not connecting wireless after several hours being 'off'. Clive On 11/02/2021 10:12, Ralph Corderoy wrote: Hi Clive, Terry wrote: it's still worth a reboot before you spend money. There's commands which can be used on the laptop to investigate too. I'll try and suggest some later today. -- -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Hi Terry All wireless items are on 2/4Ghz as nothing has 5GHz. The tablet is an old Samsung (Android) 10 and 'just works'. Did not have to do anything to it when I re-booted the router; it just re-connected and Lily did not notice anything! Have opened up the laptop and checked the card, check screws and terminals are tight, check for any loose items - nothing. On 11/02/2021 10:09, Terry Coles wrote: On Thursday, 11 February 2021 10:02:02 GMT CA Wills wrote: Not rebooted the router today but will try after this. It's not a connection problem outside from the router as it all works on Ethernet. This leaves me to think either the router wireless is faulty or the laptop. Probably the laptop (see below), but it's still worth a reboot before you spend money. The PC is Ethernet (no wireless). Lily's old Tablet is working and has not been a problem (to note) and that's on all day. Saying that means it's a laptop fault? It certainly looks like it, unless a Router issue affects the WiFi Card in your laptop more than Lily's Tablet. Do they both connect to the same Channel? (In other words is the tablet on 2.4 GHz and the Laptop on 5? -- -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Hi Keith To answer your question 'no' the only Fluorescent or microwave is in the kitchen which is not in line of sight; it's off to one side by 6m+ and has 2 extra walls between them and the router. Never had a problem before like that. Replying via Ethernet. On 11/02/2021 11:18, Keith Edmunds wrote: Do you have either a fluorescent light or a microwave over anywhere near the wifi transmitter or receiver? -- -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Do you have either a fluorescent light or a microwave over anywhere near the wifi transmitter or receiver? -- Linux Tips: https://www.tiger-computing.co.uk/category/techtips/ -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On 11/02/2021 09:06, CA Wills wrote: Hi All My wireless connection to the router keeps dropping out even though it reports 64% signal. Yesterday everything was OK all day but this morning no connection. The router is mounted on a high shelf in a room with 2 single brick walls between. This problem has recently started (since mid Jan), it's not consistent and nothing has changed with settings on the laptop. I have thought that perhaps the wireless card in the laptop is failing but would that not be permanent? The card is fixed and held by 2 screws to the motherboard. Do cards fail as they age? I've just moved into the room with the router and the signal is 89% but still no connection. I will now plug in an Ethernet cable to send this. I have periodic occurrences like this. I don't know why they occur but I have a thought in my head that once a device is logged into a router and drops out, if the MAC is still assigned to the one connection it won't allow a second connection using that MAC. My occurrences are on both this upstairs fixed PC [it's wireless because the wireless is faster than over the Powerline Adapter] and also my tablet, and I have found that if I disconnect the wireless under software control and then reconnect I am usually back on. Does that work for you? Peter -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On Thursday, 11 February 2021 10:02:02 GMT CA Wills wrote: > The PC is Ethernet (no wireless). Lily's old Tablet is working and has > not been a problem (to note) and that's on all day. Saying that means > it's a laptop fault? What sort of tablet is it? There are Apps on both Android and iOS that allow you to examine the signals from the Router, such as Channel Numbers, signal strength, etc. On my Android phone I use two, both confusingly called WiFi Analyzer (note the 'z'). Both of these make suggestions about the best channels to use based on the other Routers around your location. This allows you to set a fixed Channel on the Router (temporarily at least) to see if it helps. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Hi Clive, Terry wrote: > it's still worth a reboot before you spend money. There's commands which can be used on the laptop to investigate too. I'll try and suggest some later today. -- Cheers, Ralph. -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On Thursday, 11 February 2021 10:02:02 GMT CA Wills wrote: > Not rebooted the router today but will try after this. It's not a > connection problem outside from the router as it all works on Ethernet. > This leaves me to think either the router wireless is faulty or the laptop. Probably the laptop (see below), but it's still worth a reboot before you spend money. > The PC is Ethernet (no wireless). Lily's old Tablet is working and has > not been a problem (to note) and that's on all day. Saying that means > it's a laptop fault? It certainly looks like it, unless a Router issue affects the WiFi Card in your laptop more than Lily's Tablet. Do they both connect to the same Channel? (In other words is the tablet on 2.4 GHz and the Laptop on 5? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
Hi Terry Not rebooted the router today but will try after this. It's not a connection problem outside from the router as it all works on Ethernet. This leaves me to think either the router wireless is faulty or the laptop. The PC is Ethernet (no wireless). Lily's old Tablet is working and has not been a problem (to note) and that's on all day. Saying that means it's a laptop fault? Clive On 11/02/2021 09:42, Terry Coles wrote: On Thursday, 11 February 2021 09:06:44 GMT CA Wills wrote: walls between. This problem has recently started (since mid Jan), it's not consistent and nothing has changed with settings on the laptop. I One thought. My Netgear Router drops connections on the Ethernet ports at irregular intervals. A Router reboot cures this. Have you tried rebooting the Router? -- -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On Thursday, 11 February 2021 09:06:44 GMT CA Wills wrote: > walls between. This problem has recently started (since mid Jan), it's > not consistent and nothing has changed with settings on the laptop. I One thought. My Netgear Router drops connections on the Ethernet ports at irregular intervals. A Router reboot cures this. Have you tried rebooting the Router? -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
Re: [Dorset] Wireless dropping out
On Thursday, 11 February 2021 09:06:44 GMT CA Wills wrote: > The router is mounted on a high shelf in a room with 2 single brick > walls between. This problem has recently started (since mid Jan), it's > not consistent and nothing has changed with settings on the laptop. I > have thought that perhaps the wireless card in the laptop is failing but > would that not be permanent? The card is fixed and held by 2 screws to > the motherboard. Do cards fail as they age? Is there another device in the house that you can use to check the signal? If you can reliably log into the Router with a phone, desktop, iPad, etc, then that would isolate the fault to the laptop. (I seem to recall that you don't have a Smartphone.) What about a plug-in WiFi Adaptor? Failing that I don't know how to diagnose this unless there is someone who could stand outside and login on their device. -- Terry Coles -- Next meeting: Online, Jitsi, Tuesday, 2021-03-02 20:00 Check to whom you are replying Meetings, mailing list, IRC, ... http://dorset.lug.org.uk New thread, don't hijack: mailto:dorset@mailman.lug.org.uk
