[DX-CHAT] DXCC application
I received my cards back from ARRL today. Included was an unsigned note complaining that I had not separated the cards by mode and that further such applications would not be processed. I have been sending cards to the league for over 30 years now, always separated by bands and alphabetized by prefix. This is the first time anyone has told me I was doing it wrong. The note was short, snappy and unsigned and I am a bit upset by it. What's worse, I sent in a second application a few weeks ago and if they bounce the whole thing, I am gonna be real upset. From a public relations standpoint, I feel that DXCC has shot me the proverbial bird and right now, I am sorry that I am a life member of ARRL. What's going on in Newington? Tom N4TJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
--- Tom Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received my cards back from ARRL today. Included was an unsigned note complaining that I had not separated the cards by mode and that further such applications would not be processed. I have been sending cards to the league for over 30 years now, always separated by bands and alphabetized by prefix. This is the first time anyone has told me I was doing it wrong. The note was short, snappy and unsigned and I am a bit upset by it. What's worse, I sent in a second application a few weeks ago and if they bounce the whole thing, I am gonna be real upset. From a public relations standpoint, I feel that DXCC has shot me the proverbial bird and right now, I am sorry that I am a life member of ARRL. What's going on in Newington? Hi Tom, Maybe someone was having a bad day at Newington. However, the application clearly states to separate cards first by band, then by mode (this has been the case for as long as the database was computerized): http://www.arrl.org/awards/dxcc/dxccapp.pdf Note: Cards may be submitted directly to ARRL or checked by a DXCC Card Checker. If cards are sent direct to ARRL, it is not necessary to fill out this form. This form must be completed if a Card Checker checks the application. In either case, the cards or listed credits must be sorted first by band then by mode. I believe the requirement is dictated by the way the entry computer software works. I hope your 2nd application is treated better. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
Hmmm. My next submission will have 4 cards (after Montenegro comes in) all of which are mixed band and mode. Hey Newington!! It doesn't matter in this computer era!! Jeez. -- The floggings will continue until morale improves. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
Like another person has noted: Read the application paper where it clearly tells you how to sort the cards when you send them. I followed the directions when I sent in about 180 cards at my last submission with no problems. If you follow the directions you will have no problems. The application says you must pay extra if you send in more than 125 cards, which I payed. N4JA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] DXCC applicatioin revisited
I did in fact e mail Bill at the league. My point was that this situation could have been handled differently. A simple request do do it differently would have sufficed instead of anonymously telling me to do it their way or stuff it I have had several runins recently with the league over several different matters, and they act like they don't care anymore about image or anything else. I have all but two now and mebbe I won't have to bother them too much more about anything. Tom N4TJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
So maybe, like QSL senders, ARRL responds better with green stamps in the envelope! :-) John K5MO At 07:08 PM 10/18/2006, Jim Abercrombie wrote: Like another person has noted: Read the application paper where it clearly tells you how to sort the cards when you send them. I followed the directions when I sent in about 180 cards at my last submission with no problems. If you follow the directions you will have no problems. The application says you must pay extra if you send in more than 125 cards, which I payed. N4JA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.8/455 - Release Date: 9/22/2006 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC application
Been that way for years. Fairly plain in the instructions. In either case, the cards or listed credits must be sorted first by band then by mode. John AE5B Life Member On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 22:17:21 -, you wrote: I received my cards back from ARRL today. Included was an unsigned note complaining that I had not separated the cards by mode and that further such applications would not be processed. I have been sending cards to the league for over 30 years now, always separated by bands and alphabetized by prefix. This is the first time anyone has told me I was doing it wrong. The note was short, snappy and unsigned and I am a bit upset by it. What's worse, I sent in a second application a few weeks ago and if they bounce the whole thing, I am gonna be real upset. From a public relations standpoint, I feel that DXCC has shot me the proverbial bird and right now, I am sorry that I am a life member of ARRL. What's going on in Newington? Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] DXCC application
Tom - I believe that you are over reacting to the note you received. 1. The directions at the top of the form are very explicit. 2. It would be nice if you actually quoted the contents of the note rather than giving your interpretation. 3. Not following directions slows down the process and, effectively, slows the checking of other DXCC applications especially if you are submitting a large number of cards. 4. I have never found anyone at the DXCC desk as being anything other than courteous and helpful. 5. Calm down and follow directions. 73, Jay/AF2C At 10:17 PM 10/18/2006 +, you wrote: I received my cards back from ARRL today. Included was an unsigned note complaining that I had not separated the cards by mode and that further such applications would not be processed. I have been sending cards to the league for over 30 years now, always separated by bands and alphabetized by prefix. This is the first time anyone has told me I was doing it wrong. The note was short, snappy and unsigned and I am a bit upset by it. What's worse, I sent in a second application a few weeks ago and if they bounce the whole thing, I am gonna be real upset. From a public relations standpoint, I feel that DXCC has shot me the proverbial bird and right now, I am sorry that I am a life member of ARRL. What's going on in Newington? Tom N4TJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] thanks for the replies
Most have been constructive, but several have totally misunderstood the meaning of my gripe. I have not said the league was wrong nor have I asked for or expected an apology. My complaint was and is the rather cavalier and anonymous treatment that I, as a league member, got from MY ARRL. I admit that I made a mistake. That is a given. The last problem was when the league messed up on my credit card and sent me a letter that would have made a collection agency proud. I wrote them back and told them to ty again, which they did, and it went through. There was never a reply or acknowledgement that time. At a time when the league is under fire from a lot of folk about their policies, they need all the positive PR they can get, and it looks like they simply don't care anymore. Subject closed Tom N4TJ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] QRZ.com
is anyone else having trouble getting into the QRZ website?t couple of days nada Thanks Steve KF2TI Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] thanks for the replies
People say ARRL does this and does that. What you are missing is the ARRL is the members, not a seperate entity. You elect the directors which govern how the league functions, just as the US government does with it's elected representatives. If you don't like the direction the directors are taking, elect some new directors ar at least let them know how you feel about an issue. Have you ever spoken to your director? I bet most of you have never expressed your views to yours. I saw a post on here the other day saying such and such is the reason he no longer belongs to the League. How unfortunate! The League is the only organization standing up for us fighting BPL and other interests who want to own the frequencies we now have. Only a strong voice from a united front will help us keep what we now have. Look at BPL and how moneyed interests has brought the most serious threat we've had to our hobby. Yes it IS money that's doing the talking there. It's big business and lots of money with BPL and the FCC. N4JA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] QRZ resolved
not sure of the problem, but shut everything down, rest the modem, router and hubs powered back up and now everything working thanks for the replies i just LOVE modern technology Have a good week see you all in the contest coming up 73 Steve KF2TI one of the 3 Steves Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] QRZ.com
At 12:56 AM + 19/10/06, Steve-KF2TI wrote: is anyone else having trouble getting into the QRZ website?t couple of days nada Thanks Steve KF2TI Steve, no trouble here in AZ although my satellite ISP is in Maryland (satellite Natl Operations Center). It might be a regional router is down. 73 de Fred K2FRD -- 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS http://homepage.mac.com/k2frd/K2FRD.html Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] thanks for the replies
Jim is absolutely right. Too many people gripe about the League when they have a specific issue with a staffer or a department in Newington. [And some of those gripes are very legitimate, I'm not trying to put them down]. And then you have the induhviduals like W9WHE and W1WY and a few other trolls on eHam and QRZ and a few other sites who seem to delight in putting down the League and proclaiming all sorts of nasties and half-truths about the organization. While HQ is the staff in Newington, and they do have a big job running the organization and all of it's parts (like DXCC, QST, the QSL bureaus, the web site, the books, and on and on and on), they are NOT the League. WE are the League. Without the members, the League would not exist. Now I can't speak for the other divisions, but in all the years I've lived here in Pittsburgh and been active or semi-active, I have personally met and chatted many times with the various Atlantic Division Directors... including Hugh W3ABC and Kay N3KN (or whatever her call is today! g) back in their days... and just about all of the WPA Section Managers. ALL of them have been willing to talk, LISTEN, and explain. They may have asked someone to keep it brief because of time constraints, or others waiting, etc., but they have ALL spent time to LISTEN and communicate. And that's just what I saw in person, they also have all been very active with correspondence (to this day, I think W3ABC still groans when he gets a note from me, I used to write him on a regular basis and probably drove him half nutz!) I've heard stories about how aloof other Division Directors and SM's were. Can't say, I didnt/don't know them, and outside of seeing some of them at Dayton, haven't interacted with them. So, as they say, YMMV, VWPBL(STn)... and if you have an aloof DD or SM, maybe you should try and do something about that. Now... I do know of stories where some DD's and SM's won't talk, or talk for long, to non-League members. This is understandable to a point, because if you're not in the League, they often feel you're not part of the solution. So, if you're not a League member and this has happened to you, consider joining so that they DO have to listen to you -- and if they don't, so that you're in a position to do something about it. I'm not saying that by joining the League that you have to agree with every position, every policy, for that matter everything, that they've done. (On principle, I'm not too thrilled about the change of direction on Swain's Island, for one thing -- for one example). But if you're not a member, you have no say in modifying or even changing those positions. Consider that. Jim mentioned the BPL situation. Remember that the BPL lobbyists are very anti-League because the League has had the audacity to question the technical aspects... that is, ARRL has managed to remind everyone that to do it right costs a lot more money that to do it quick, dirty cheap, and so what if some hams CB'ers cops firemen have some noise on their radios? Every time some troll writes the FCC with a put-down of the League (justified or not -- and most aren't) it chips away at the League's credibility. We have GOT to fight the monied interests behind BPL, the ones who are intent in pushing a flawed technology in the interests of recouping their investments (and making a ton of money off the poor slobs who buy the systems off of their hands). We have GOT to get the FCC to acknowledge that in those areas that really want BPL (with WiMax coming, how many?) it has to be done RIGHT. Establishing this attitude -- which is not anti-BPL, it's anti-bad technology or anti-bad applilcation -- is what the League is best at. Even if you don't care for a lot of other things the League is doing or has done (and after 40+ years, can we give the Incentive Licensing war a rest? please?), the BPL fight alone is reason alone to join. (You can always leave when it's over) It's time to be a part of the solution. End soapbox. You can start throwing the tomatoes now. 73, ron w3wn Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
On ARRL, BPL, Advocacy Re: [DX-CHAT] thanks for the replies
At 1:49 AM + 19/10/06, Jim Abercrombie wrote: People say ARRL does this and does that. What you are missing is the ARRL is the members, not a separate entity. You elect the directors which govern how the league functions, just as the US government does with it's elected representatives. If you don't like the direction the directors are taking, elect some new directors ar at least let them know how you feel about an issue. Have you ever spoken to your director? I bet most of you have never expressed your views to yours. I saw a post on here the other day saying such and such is the reason he no longer belongs to the League. How unfortunate! The League is the only organization standing up for us fighting BPL and other interests who want to own the frequencies we now have. Only a strong voice from a united front will help us keep what we now have. Look at BPL and how moneyed interests has brought the most serious threat we've had to our hobby. Yes it IS money that's doing the talking there. It's big business and lots of money with BPL and the FCC. N4JA Boy, Jim, I'll agree with you 100% and then some! I seriously doubt there isn't a single organization of one type or another which hasn't done something to alienate a few of its members at one time or another. However, that's really no reason to leave the organization. If one doesn't like the way one's group does business, especially if that group is the only one of its kind within one's field of interest, it is all the more important to stay inside the organization and fight for change instead of leaving it and complaining about it with absolutely no way to change it from the outside. Change in any bureaucracy comes from within, not from without. There's a few things about the Boy Scouts of America I don't like (I'm a very active and very dedicated volunteer), but I'm not going to quit BSA for those reasons. I'm gonna sit down and continue to write letters, speak up at meetings, send emails, and otherwise voice my sentiments to change the BSA system, not quit and badmouth it without doing anything to improve it while rationalizing the reasons why I left. BPL is a good example of ham's need to support the ARRL. The League is the ONLY organized opposition to BPL in the US. Almost all other organizations don't have the technical expertise to oppose it (good example: American Red Cross doesn't know AC from DC, yet could be profoundly and negatively affected if BPL becomes widespread). Those non-government organizations with technical expertise have been almost completely suppressed by government agencies with whom they have contracts while all concerned government agencies have been issued gag orders or forced to become BPL advocates (FCC, NTIA, FEMA, military, for example). In no small sense, the ARRL represents all these organizations which for whatever reason are not able to defend their own spectrum against BPL. For an in-depth series of articles on BPL and how the BPL advocates failed to overcome the ARRL and other opposition, see http://www.computingunplugged.com/tocs/issue200608.html . -- 73 de Fred Stevens K2FRD, VO2FS http://homepage.mac.com/k2frd/K2FRD.html Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] [Dx-qsl] DXCC application
--- harris_ruben [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmmm. My next submission will have 4 cards (after Montenegro comes in) all of which are mixed band and mode. Hey Newington!! It doesn't matter in this computer era!! Jeez. Actually, I think it does matter. My impression is that they have a dumb (no judgment implied) data-entry operator keying in the credits. They start at 160 CW, change the mode to SSB, key in those confirmations, they change the band to 80 CW, then 80 SSB, etc. It's not as easy as our computer logging software. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, 7 Charlemont Court, North Chelmsford, MA 01863 USA +978-251-9933, [EMAIL PROTECTED], http://www.ad1c.us Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
