Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Why don't you all just get off the guy's case. Yemen is a difficult place well know that. We also know you can't just step off a plane with ham radio gear and start transmitting or you land in jail or worse. Why don't you just work the guy or don't work the guy - your choice, then wait and see what happens. Who can tell what document(s) he might or might not have. Primarily he is a businessman going there on business, and will try to get some ham radio in when he has the time. If you are so convinced without even knowing the guy, or the facts, that the operation won't count - then - just go on vacation! What business is it of yours to be writing to ARRL BEFORE an operation Tom GM4FDM Dave AA6YQ wrote: Unless Bill has reviewed and pre-approved the documentation for this operation, his only reasonable response is I don't know; you decide. If he says I doubt it will count, and you go on vacation, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill approves, then his face is on your dartboard. If he says It might count, and you cancel your vacation, and you spend hours in your shack to work G4HCL/7O, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill rejects, then his face is on your dartboard. 7O is the last one I need. There's no question about where I'll be come Monday UTC... 73, Dave, AA6YQ - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Bill (ARRL DXCC) Moore mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Cc:* DX Chat mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2007 6:48 PM *Subject:* [DX-CHAT] 7O Bill: I am writing this as an open email to you in hopes that you will respond to my questions for my benefit, and also for others that partake in DXCC. The following article appeared in the DXis website: Chris Lorek, G4HCL, has authorized me to inform everyone that he plans to be active from Sana, Yemen, once again as 7O/G4HCL from Monday 13 August until early on Wednesday 15 August. Chris has written permission and official authority to operate on all HF amateur bands under supervised conditions, but warns that it may or may not be possible to obtain the specific documentation that satisfies DXCC requirements. WFWL! This is NOT A DXpedition but a business trip, and operation will therefore only be when possible and is only likely to be for short periods at a time. Chris will be using 1kW to a professional biconical monopole communications antenna. Activity will be SSB only, and probably only on 20m (look between 14170 and 14260kHz). QSL information for this operation is direct only to G4HCL,PO Box 400, Eastleigh SO53 4ZF, UK. This begs the obvious questions given the recent 7O operations (7O1YGF AND 7O1A) that have happened and not approved by DXCC: 1. Have you had any contact with Chris regarding who the proper authority is and what paperwork is necessary for it to get DXCC approval? Would you let us know who the recognized authority is there and what paperwork is required from them. I ask this question because it keeps coming up in discussions about past and future operation from 7O. If he hasn't contacted you, are you going to try and contact him to advise him on what is required to get approval of his op from DXCC. 2. Do you feel there is a possibility of this becoming a DXCC approved operation? Is it worth canceling my current vacation plans to try and make a contact and get a card confirming it? 3. Since it is not a Dxpedition and since he will only be operating during his available time, it means extensive time commitment on our parts to try and be there when he activates. That pretty much ties up 3 days to do that. When he is on, there will be huge pileups with the slimmer chances of getting through .Is it worth going through all of that if it is unlikely to ever get DXCC approval? Sharing you opinion on this will hopefully gives us a better feel for whether it is worth the effort and sacrifices to get in the log. I don't need any more wallpaper of worthless QSL cards from 7O. Sincerely John Owens - N7TK Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ,
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O
No one's on G4HCL's case, Tom. Everyone understands that he'll do the best he can. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Wylie Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:38 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Why don't you all just get off the guy's case. Yemen is a difficult place well know that. We also know you can't just step off a plane with ham radio gear and start transmitting or you land in jail or worse. Why don't you just work the guy or don't work the guy - your choice, then wait and see what happens. Who can tell what document(s) he might or might not have. Primarily he is a businessman going there on business, and will try to get some ham radio in when he has the time. If you are so convinced without even knowing the guy, or the facts, that the operation won't count - then - just go on vacation! What business is it of yours to be writing to ARRL BEFORE an operation Tom GM4FDM Dave AA6YQ wrote: Unless Bill has reviewed and pre-approved the documentation for this operation, his only reasonable response is I don't know; you decide. If he says I doubt it will count, and you go on vacation, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill approves, then his face is on your dartboard. If he says It might count, and you cancel your vacation, and you spend hours in your shack to work G4HCL/7O, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill rejects, then his face is on your dartboard. 7O is the last one I need. There's no question about where I'll be come Monday UTC... 73, Dave, AA6YQ - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Bill (ARRL DXCC) Moore mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Cc:* DX Chat mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2007 6:48 PM *Subject:* [DX-CHAT] 7O Bill: I am writing this as an open email to you in hopes that you will respond to my questions for my benefit, and also for others that partake in DXCC. The following article appeared in the DXis website: Chris Lorek, G4HCL, has authorized me to inform everyone that he plans to be active from Sana, Yemen, once again as 7O/G4HCL from Monday 13 August until early on Wednesday 15 August. Chris has written permission and official authority to operate on all HF amateur bands under supervised conditions, but warns that it may or may not be possible to obtain the specific documentation that satisfies DXCC requirements. WFWL! This is NOT A DXpedition but a business trip, and operation will therefore only be when possible and is only likely to be for short periods at a time. Chris will be using 1kW to a professional biconical monopole communications antenna. Activity will be SSB only, and probably only on 20m (look between 14170 and 14260kHz). QSL information for this operation is direct only to G4HCL,PO Box 400, Eastleigh SO53 4ZF, UK. This begs the obvious questions given the recent 7O operations (7O1YGF AND 7O1A) that have happened and not approved by DXCC: 1. Have you had any contact with Chris regarding who the proper authority is and what paperwork is necessary for it to get DXCC approval? Would you let us know who the recognized authority is there and what paperwork is required from them. I ask this question because it keeps coming up in discussions about past and future operation from 7O. If he hasn't contacted you, are you going to try and contact him to advise him on what is required to get approval of his op from DXCC. 2. Do you feel there is a possibility of this becoming a DXCC approved operation? Is it worth canceling my current vacation plans to try and make a contact and get a card confirming it? 3. Since it is not a Dxpedition and since he will only be operating during his available time, it means extensive time commitment on our parts to try and be there when he activates. That pretty much ties up 3 days to do that. When he is on, there will be huge pileups with the slimmer chances of getting through .Is it worth going through all of that if it is unlikely to ever get DXCC approval? Sharing you opinion on this will hopefully gives us a better feel for whether it is worth the effort and sacrifices to get in the log. I don't need any more wallpaper of worthless QSL cards from 7O. Sincerely John Owens - N7TK Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O
I think to write to Bill and ask him if he's seen any documentation is perfectly reasonable. If so then was the documentation any good is also a reasonable question, particularly after the 7O1A and 7O1YGF farces. But for N7TK to ask Bill whether he thinks he should go on holiday or not, well in my opinion he's having a turkish (look it up on a cockney rhyming slang website) I worked 7O/OH2YY in 2002 so you won't hear me in the pileups - hopefully that makes space for one more bloke who needs it. And good luck to those who do. Chris Lorek is a good solid bloke, and I'm sure he's done his best to ensure that things are all above board and legal. I can also suggest that if Chris is providing the kit then it'll put out a decent signal. cheers Dave G0OIL Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one's on G4HCL's case, Tom. Everyone understands that he'll do the best he can. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Wylie Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:38 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Why don't you all just get off the guy's case. Yemen is a difficult place well know that. We also know you can't just step off a plane with ham radio gear and start transmitting or you land in jail or worse. Why don't you just work the guy or don't work the guy - your choice, then wait and see what happens. Who can tell what document(s) he might or might not have. Primarily he is a businessman going there on business, and will try to get some ham radio in when he has the time. If you are so convinced without even knowing the guy, or the facts, that the operation won't count - then - just go on vacation! What business is it of yours to be writing to ARRL BEFORE an operation Tom GM4FDM Dave AA6YQ wrote: Unless Bill has reviewed and pre-approved the documentation for this operation, his only reasonable response is I don't know; you decide. If he says I doubt it will count, and you go on vacation, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill approves, then his face is on your dartboard. If he says It might count, and you cancel your vacation, and you spend hours in your shack to work G4HCL/7O, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill rejects, then his face is on your dartboard. 7O is the last one I need. There's no question about where I'll be come Monday UTC... 73, Dave, AA6YQ - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Bill (ARRL DXCC) Moore *Cc:* DX Chat *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2007 6:48 PM *Subject:* [DX-CHAT] 7O Bill: I am writing this as an open email to you in hopes that you will respond to my questions for my benefit, and also for others that partake in DXCC. The following article appeared in the DXis website: Chris Lorek, G4HCL, has authorized me to inform everyone that he plans to be active from Sana, Yemen, once again as 7O/G4HCL from Monday 13 August until early on Wednesday 15 August. Chris has written permission and official authority to operate on all HF amateur bands under supervised conditions, but warns that it may or may not be possible to obtain the specific documentation that satisfies DXCC requirements. WFWL! This is NOT A DXpedition but a business trip, and operation will therefore only be when possible and is only likely to be for short periods at a time. Chris will be using 1kW to a professional biconical monopole communications antenna. Activity will be SSB only, and probably only on 20m (look between 14170 and 14260kHz). QSL information for this operation is direct only to G4HCL,PO Box 400, Eastleigh SO53 4ZF, UK. This begs the obvious questions given the recent 7O operations (7O1YGF AND 7O1A) that have happened and not approved by DXCC: 1. Have you had any contact with Chris regarding who the proper authority is and what paperwork is necessary for it to get DXCC approval? Would you let us know who the recognized authority is there and what paperwork is required from them. I ask this question because it keeps coming up in discussions about past and future operation from 7O. If he hasn't contacted you, are you going to try and contact him to advise him on what is required to get approval of his op from DXCC. 2. Do you feel there is a possibility of this becoming a DXCC approved operation? Is it worth canceling my current vacation plans to try and make a contact and get a card confirming it? 3. Since it is not a Dxpedition and since he will only be operating during his available time, it means extensive time commitment on our parts to try and be there when he activates. That pretty much ties up 3 days to do that. When he is on, there will be huge pileups with the slimmer chances of getting through .Is it worth going through all of that if it is unlikely to ever get DXCC approval? Sharing you opinion on this will hopefully gives us a better feel for
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O
If you visit the Yemem tourist center just about anybody can go there. They have 5 star hotels etc.. But what I don't get is who is the official that the ARRL wants a receipt from of being there and counting as official. They will tell you it doesn't count. Tell me what you need from who to count. I have worked 7O1A and 7O1YGF I need 7O as a one of two left to be acceptable by ARRL. Tom Wylie wrote: Why don't you all just get off the guy's case. Yemen is a difficult place well know that. We also know you can't just step off a plane with ham radio gear and start transmitting or you land in jail or worse. Why don't you just work the guy or don't work the guy - your choice, then wait and see what happens. Who can tell what document(s) he might or might not have. Primarily he is a businessman going there on business, and will try to get some ham radio in when he has the time. If you are so convinced without even knowing the guy, or the facts, that the operation won't count - then - just go on vacation! What business is it of yours to be writing to ARRL BEFORE an operation Tom GM4FDM Dave AA6YQ wrote: Unless Bill has reviewed and pre-approved the documentation for this operation, his only reasonable response is I don't know; you decide. If he says I doubt it will count, and you go on vacation, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill approves, then his face is on your dartboard. If he says It might count, and you cancel your vacation, and you spend hours in your shack to work G4HCL/7O, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill rejects, then his face is on your dartboard. 7O is the last one I need. There's no question about where I'll be come Monday UTC... 73, Dave, AA6YQ - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Bill (ARRL DXCC) Moore mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Cc:* DX Chat mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2007 6:48 PM *Subject:* [DX-CHAT] 7O Bill: I am writing this as an open email to you in hopes that you will respond to my questions for my benefit, and also for others that partake in DXCC. The following article appeared in the DXis website: Chris Lorek, G4HCL, has authorized me to inform everyone that he plans to be active from Sana, Yemen, once again as 7O/G4HCL from Monday 13 August until early on Wednesday 15 August. Chris has written permission and official authority to operate on all HF amateur bands under supervised conditions, but warns that it may or may not be possible to obtain the specific documentation that satisfies DXCC requirements. WFWL! This is NOT A DXpedition but a business trip, and operation will therefore only be when possible and is only likely to be for short periods at a time. Chris will be using 1kW to a professional biconical monopole communications antenna. Activity will be SSB only, and probably only on 20m (look between 14170 and 14260kHz). QSL information for this operation is direct only to G4HCL,PO Box 400, Eastleigh SO53 4ZF, UK. This begs the obvious questions given the recent 7O operations (7O1YGF AND 7O1A) that have happened and not approved by DXCC: 1. Have you had any contact with Chris regarding who the proper authority is and what paperwork is necessary for it to get DXCC approval? Would you let us know who the recognized authority is there and what paperwork is required from them. I ask this question because it keeps coming up in discussions about past and future operation from 7O. If he hasn't contacted you, are you going to try and contact him to advise him on what is required to get approval of his op from DXCC. 2. Do you feel there is a possibility of this becoming a DXCC approved operation? Is it worth canceling my current vacation plans to try and make a contact and get a card confirming it? 3. Since it is not a Dxpedition and since he will only be operating during his available time, it means extensive time commitment on our parts to try and be there when he activates. That pretty much ties up 3 days to do that. When he is on, there will be huge pileups with the slimmer chances of getting through .Is it worth going through all of that if it is unlikely to ever get DXCC approval? Sharing you opinion on this will hopefully gives us a better feel for whether it is worth the effort and sacrifices to get in the log. I don't need any more wallpaper of worthless QSL cards from 7O. Sincerely John Owens - N7TK Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
Well wrote ! I agree 100%, which means fu*k ARRL and their levels, bcus they are not not doing as they should do. Not too long ago somebody wrote: I just worked it, and I do not care if ARRL accept it as OK or not! Fu*k them, I did it . Regards for everyone, Goran, E78G (T98G, 4N4AE,...) R.S. Bosnia Herzegovina - Original Message - From: david miller To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL The ARRL can be quite vague or to the point when asked what they will accept as sufficient proof of operation and who that proof must come from. It depends on the day of week it seems. W1GDQ -- Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! Play It! __ NOD32 2451 (20070811) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
That may have been true in the distant past, from what I recall from when I was first licensed. I do not believe that to be true today, especially since the implementation of the current DXCC rules (aka DXCC 2000), contrary to rumor. Besides... they can't evaluate sufficient proof or operation when none has been submitted, despite repeated requests! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of david miller Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:46 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL The ARRL can be quite vague or to the point when asked what they will accept as sufficient proof of operation and who that proof must come from. It depends on the day of week it seems. W1GDQ -- Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! Play It! Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
At 01:46 PM 8/11/2007, Goran Arezina wrote: Not too long ago somebody wrote: I just worked it, and I do not care if ARRL accept it as OK or not! Fu*k them, I did it . Really? Are you sure it wasn't a pirate? Do you have proof that you worked them? Was the operation approved by the particular government in question? 73, Mike, W5UC age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
I understand why dxcc can not pre-judge any one operation for validation for dxcc credit. have to wait until the op is actually done. HOWEVER, surely dxcc could tell what kind of documentation is necessary from any one entity or another, and be able to name the local official who will approve an op that dxcc will also approve. In my case, still a sore point, dxcc would not tell me who was the key official to contact in Lao (PDRL), although immediately after my op, dxcc was able to go directly to a Lao official to check on me. Why not just tell me that guy's name in advance and save all my QSOs the pain of getting my XW1UD card that does not count. I would never expect prior approval before the actual op, but surely whatever validation procedure will occur just after the op could be shared BEFORE the op. Further, several entities have a confusing or non-existing ways of getting ham op permissions. Lao had three offices, then, all claiming to be THE only one needed. There is no way someone in CT can have the detailed knowledge of the inner workings of some entities governments (or lack of same) so apparently just go on whatever comes up at the time. When a system refuses nice looking PAPER signed by folks who seem to be ok, and nevertheless OKs a tape recorded approval that is allowed to count, things appear decidedly ad hoc. My thot is if the op has photo proof of presence in the entity, operates, and departs without being arrested, then it should count. Not being evicted nor arrested to me is proof the local authorities approved. I think, on the other hand, if an op is evicted (or arrested) that is obvious evidence that the op was bogus. I still want to get approval to activate an iceberg. 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Messenger Café open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Fw: A reminder, just a reminder
- Original Message - From: nick cominos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: none The Amateur's Code by Paul M. Segal, W9EEA (1928) The Radio Amateur is: CONSIDERATE never knowingly operating in such a way as to lessen the pleasure of others. LOYAL offering loyalty, encouragement and support to other amateurs, local clubs and the American Radio Relay League, through which Amateur Radio in the United States is represented nationally and internationally. PROGRESSIVE with knowledge abreast of science, a well built and efficient station, and operation beyond reproach. FRIENDLY with slow and patient operation when requested, friendly advice and counsel to the beginner, kindly assistance, co-operation and consideration for the interests of others. These are the hallmarks of the amateur spirit. BALANCED Radio is an avocation, never interfering with duties owed to family, job, school or community. PATRIOTIC with station and skill always ready for service to country and community The enemy does not understand the dichotomy of our society, but they should understand this; we will bandage our wounds, we will bury our dead; and then we will come for you . . . and we will destroy you and all you stand for. Brian Shul, Air Force SR71 pilot Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] Fw: A reminder, just a reminder
On 8/11/2007 nick cominos wrote: - Original Message - From: nick cominos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: none The Amateur's Code by Paul M. Segal, W9EEA (1928) ...snip.. Please The only code that really counts is Part 97 (in the USA) -- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! If it can't be expressed in figures, it is not science; it is opinion. --Lazarus Long Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] Languague
Folks: A reminder that certain language is not permitted on this reflector. We aim to keep things civil and family oriented. A recent post crossed the line on two levels -- language and tone. That matter has been dealt with. Please do not repeat that type of language here. If you feel you must quote from that post, or replies thereof, please remove the language altogether... one asterick is not enough. I do not wish to play censor, but that's the rules from the North Jersey DXA. They don't set many, but they do ask that they be followed. That one in particular. Thank you for your assistance in this matter. 73, ron w3wn administrator, dx chat Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
Before anyone else's temper flares up on 7O1YGF, let's all remember one key fact: The DXCC Desk can't approve the operation. Not won't; can't. Why? Simple: The 7O1YGF team never submitted anything. In past years, I've had a lot of talks at Dayton and via email with various people connected to the DXCC program at the time. Whenever I've brought up the subject of this one, I have been told many times, point blank, that they would love to approve the operation. But until documentation (not just photographs) of some kind, any kind, is submitted, it will remain pending. Many of us argue about the fine points of what should count for sufficient documentation... passport or visa stamps, or customs approval to import the gear, or a letter from Someone Official indicating that they had permission to operate... whatever. If any of this documentation exists, no one in Newington has seen it. If it doesn't exist, no one from the team has told Newington the story. By the same token, without a submittal, I doubt that they will approve it. That opens the door to anyone who claims the dog ate my license when asking for approval. Yes, once upon a time, a DX'er's word on where he was operating from was pretty much good enough. That was back in the days when dx'ers were few, dx'er's were presumed to be gentlemen and honorable, and the world wasn't as concerned about coverring it's collective assets if something went wrong. And then came W9WNV, and Romeo, and a handful of others of that ilk, and a change for the worse came. So give Newington a break. They're not out to undermine a DXpedition; hardly the case. But it's their program, their rules, and those rules aren't exactly a secret... so if someone chooses not to play ball, don't blame them. 73 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] Fw: A reminder, just a reminder
The Amateur's Code is a matter of ethics. Part 97 is a matter of law. One can not legislate ethics or mandate ethical behavior. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Charles Gallo Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 6:28 PM To: nick cominos Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Fw: A reminder, just a reminder On 8/11/2007 nick cominos wrote: - Original Message - From: nick cominos [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: none The Amateur's Code by Paul M. Segal, W9EEA (1928) ...snip.. Please The only code that really counts is Part 97 (in the USA) -- 73 de KG2V For the Children - RKBA! If it can't be expressed in figures, it is not science; it is opinion. --Lazarus Long Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[Fwd: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O]
Forwarded at the request of John N7TK... The thrust of my message was that who are we to prejudge anyone BEFORE and operation takes place? We cannot and should not compare this operation to any previous ones. Let us wait till the operation takes place, and await the decision of ARRL as to whether the documentation submitted is sufficient for their requirements. No body is forced to approach the ARRL BEFORE an operation to seek accrediation.If I were lucky enough to get the opportunity to go to Yemen, I would tell NOBODY and just start operating. Then worry about the accreditation when I got home.We are fortunate to live in countires which give out nice printed documents with the name LICENSE at the top. There are a lot of countries out there which don't, so we have to live with that and examine any written documentation upon return. Some places, you just go to the local post office, pay your money and select your own call-signthey give you a piece of paper which says at the top - License. Tom GM4FDM Original Message Subject:Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:42:43 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will answer this and hope to answer other comments and questions, as I am the one who started this thread. The pursuit of the Top of the DXCC List involves 1/2 or better of one's life, many thousands of hours, and many thousands of $. When you see 2 recent operations in 7O fail to get DXCC certification, I think we all have a right to know why that happened. I started all of this with an open letter on DXCAT to Bill Moore because I assumed I was not the only one wondering why so many 7O operations fail to get DXCC acceptance. I was hoping that the 7O/G4HCL operation would not just end up being another one of these. I have no issues with Bill and he has always answered every question I have ever asked him in a courteous and thorough manner. Bill answered my email in the same manner and allowed me to publish it to the DXCHAT list as long as it wasn't edited which is what I did. I also have no issues with G4HCL and applaud his willingness to haul gear with him and activate a station during a business trip. A 7O operation of any kind is going to get a lot of attention as most of us need it. Bill told me (and the rest of us) that the DXCC requirements for accreditation of operating at any entity are published for everyone to read. That being the case, one has to assume that G4HCL has read this and knows what is required. He says he has permission to operate in a supervised manner, whatever that means. Whether he is able to get the paperwork required to get DXCC certification remains to be seen. I would bet that he also knows why the 7O1YGF and 7O1A operations failed to get certified and will try to not repeat those mistakes. There is no requirement for G4HCL to contact DXCC prior to an operation, and apparently he did not. Bill said he tried to contact him via email and failed to get an answer back. Nothing should be read into that either. It tells me that Bill is trying to help the operation be a success. I wish G4HCL luck in his travels and radio operations, and hope that it ends up getting DXCC certification (assuming he will apply for it). Sounds like he intends to do so. Considering the sacrifices and time we put into this pursuit, I think we all have a right to want to know why the previous operations did not get certified, want to know why that happened, and want to understand the DXCC system well enough to know how the rules are established and what is required to get certifed. That is all I was trying to do, and made it an open request to benefit others who might have the same questions. There are many of us, and I have no regrets for having done this. For anything like this, there will be many pro and con positions and we have seen a few of these posted. That is what is healthy about open discussions like this as we all learn something from it. I am a little unhappy that I have cards from both 7O1A and 7O1YGF that I expected to get DXCC credit for, and that didn't happen. I don't know who to blame that on. It is probably not DXCC's fault, but then you can get into the argument about how flexible the system should be in these situations. In a country like Yemen, I am sure you don't just get through customs and set up an operate a radio station without some kind of permission. Let's hope this one ends up getting DXCC certification. Whether I cancel my vacation plans or not has nothing to do with this. That is my personal choice, and I likely will be there with the rest of you chasing a contact with G4HCL in the log. Sincerely John Owens - N7TK -- Original message -- From: Tom Wylie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why don't you all just get off the guy's case. Yemen is a difficult place well know that. We
