[DX-CHAT] 7O
No charge for my 7O cards. I did send an SASE with them. vy 73, Nick W9UM Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote! Ben Franklin --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O North America
He's doing the best he can, with unfamiliar equipment and under far from ideal circumstances. Let's just be happy that he got on the air, and hope that the Yemen government has given him the proper permissions on paper. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ragnar Otterstad Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:07 PM To: DX-CHAT@njdxa.org Subject: RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O North America Too bad he is not on CW. That would have solved a lot of problems with weak sigs. 73 Rag LA5HE Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] 7O North America
After the 2nd day of operation, I have not heard a peep here in Tampa. The only spots I've seen have been from the EU. Has anyone in the US heard or worked him? Jack Hartley K4WSB / VP2MSB ARRL - QCWA - OOTC DXCC Honor Roll Only need 7O Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O North America
Jack - K4WSB wrote: After the 2nd day of operation, I have not heard a peep here in Tampa. The only spots I've seen have been from the EU. Has anyone in the US heard or worked him? Jack, he was on from about 11:00 to 13:00Z. I just barely heard him on a 3el Yagi. Prop was really poor between 7O and HB. Also some stns in GM and DL could not hear him at all. Stns in UA9 and SP and of course Italy got on. His sig was not stable enough for an exchange. I called when I copied him on about 3 occasions, but could not copy, if he ever came back to me. Apparently he is using a commercial rig with fixed freq. intervals. I concluded that, when he explained that he did not have a VFO and asked stns to call precisely up 5 or down five. (He switched at irregular intervals) There was a spot, mentioning that he operated out of the Sanaa airport. Yesterday his sigs improved after 14Z, but he quit too early today. 73 de Werner, HB9US Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[DX-CHAT] 7O North America
Absolutely NIL up this way ! I assume you mean the Med-region, when you say spots from Europe. It is a different world down there !! 73 Rag LA5HE Jack - K4WSB wrote: After the 2nd day of operation, I have not heard a peep here in Tampa. The only spots I've seen have been from the EU. Has anyone in the US heard or worked him? Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.orgattachment: winmail.dat
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O North America
Well after all that I said about if Chris provides the gear then he'll be audible - I have to eat humble pie and take it all back. I don't know what must have happened and can only assume that there are factors beyond his control - this guy DOES know what he's doing. Today his audio sounded like he'd got his head down in a tin barrel of mud and the signal was VERY weak - 3/3 at best - apart from one five-minute burst when it came up to 5/7 - 5/9 and he was workable from central England - and this with a 5 element monobander. Yesterday I heard nothing but the usual cognitively challenged Italians trying to work out what the split button does. I can only assume that the antenna is severely sub optimal for 14MHz, or he's having to run very limited power? cheers Dave G0OIL Werner Berli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jack - K4WSB wrote: After the 2nd day of operation, I have not heard a peep here in Tampa. The only spots I've seen have been from the EU. Has anyone in the US heard or worked him? Jack, he was on from about 11:00 to 13:00Z. I just barely heard him on a 3el Yagi. Prop was really poor between 7O and HB. Also some stns in GM and DL could not hear him at all. Stns in UA9 and SP and of course Italy got on. His sig was not stable enough for an exchange. I called when I copied him on about 3 occasions, but could not copy, if he ever came back to me. Apparently he is using a commercial rig with fixed freq. intervals. I concluded that, when he explained that he did not have a VFO and asked stns to call precisely up 5 or down five. (He switched at irregular intervals) There was a spot, mentioning that he operated out of the Sanaa airport. Yesterday his sigs improved after 14Z, but he quit too early today. 73 de Werner, HB9US Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Well, I don't know about 7O7AA or 7O8AA (and yes, Osten, I do recall your email from back in March, obviously you have more information at your disposal than I do). Things may have changed after those licenses were issued, and especially after the two Yemens merged back into one country. Or the Aden Branch may have had the authority at one time and does not anymore. Or they overstepped their authority the first time or two and was approval from the Saana may have come retroactively, something they no longer wish to do. I could continue to speculate, but we may never know. As far as the documentation problem with 7O1YGF goes, remember two things: (1) The 7O1YGF team advertised quite often prior to the DXpedition that they had a license. Or at least that they had permission. This was re-iterated during and after the DXpedition... but the elusive license or permission to operate never appears to have either (a) been put on paper, and/or (b) been seen in the light of day by anyone outside of the DXpedition. (2) The 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY documentation to the DXCC desk to have the operation approved for DXCC credit. Just some photos that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen. Let us all also bear in mind that this has happened before. There are more than a few operations by EU ops from Central America that have not been approved due to lack of documentation. It does make one wonder... And yes, I recall the story about Vlad too. Funny that they would tell him no license had ever been issued except the one to the Sultan of Kuwait, yet we know of licenses (or at least permission to operate -- same thing but technically not quite? Are they hair splitting?) that have been issued, such as 7O/OH2YY. So one wonders what the real story is... again, we may never know. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:41 PM To: Zack Widup; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O As far as I know the no good license for 7O1A was issued by the Aden Branch of The Yemen Telecom, and the head office in the capital Saana said that the Aden Branch was not authorized to issue licenses. BUT also the 7O8AA and 7O7AA operations took place from Aden (according to the information I have). Maybe also 7O1AA. Can the documentation problem for 7O1YGF be as simple as they also had authorization only from the Aden Branch? Vlad, UA4WHX, was in Saana in early 2005 but did not operate as he could not get a license - he told us that the ministry said that only one license had been issued, for The Sultan of Kuwait, but he never used it. Search Google UA4WHX + Yemen and you will find a lot of information. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O I really don't know much about that country's government. Are there different factions struggling for power, or claiming authority in different areas? Is it possible some faction claims it can issue licenses, but in fact it isn't considered the real agency who issues licenses? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, KR4DA wrote: If you visit the Yemem tourist center just about anybody can go there. They have 5 star hotels etc.. But what I don't get is who is the official that the ARRL wants a receipt from of being there and counting as official. They will tell you it doesn't count. Tell me what you need from who to count. I have worked 7O1A and 7O1YGF I need 7O as a one of two left to be acceptable by ARRL. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Ron: All good information. You and Osten have a lot more info that I have been privy to. This all makes it obviious that it is not a clear cut situation on how to get properly licensed in Yemen first place, and then get the necessary documentaion to get DXCC certification. If it is difficult for a DXpedition to deal with, imagine how difficult it is for the ARRL to establish a clear cut, stable set of rules to follow in order to get operating licenses and permission, and then the necessary documentation to get DXCC cert. In cases like this, I think the DXCC rules situation has to have a fair amount of flexibility in its interpretation. Lets hope the G4HCL and other upcoming 7O ops are a bit more successful in this regard. That is why we are talking about this to help understand and aid the process. John Owens - N7TK -- Original message -- From: Ron Notarius W3WN [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well, I don't know about 7O7AA or 7O8AA (and yes, Osten, I do recall your email from back in March, obviously you have more information at your disposal than I do). Things may have changed after those licenses were issued, and especially after the two Yemens merged back into one country. Or the Aden Branch may have had the authority at one time and does not anymore. Or they overstepped their authority the first time or two and was approval from the Saana may have come retroactively, something they no longer wish to do. I could continue to speculate, but we may never know. As far as the documentation problem with 7O1YGF goes, remember two things: (1) The 7O1YGF team advertised quite often prior to the DXpedition that they had a license. Or at least that they had permission. This was re-iterated during and after the DXpedition... but the elusive license or permission to operate never appears to have either (a) been put on paper, and/or (b) been seen in the light of day by anyone outside of the DXpedition. (2) The 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY documentation to the DXCC desk to have the operation approved for DXCC credit. Just some photos that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen. Let us all also bear in mind that this has happened before. There are more than a few operations by EU ops from Central America that have not been approved due to lack of documentation. It does make one wonder... And yes, I recall the story about Vlad too. Funny that they would tell him no license had ever been issued except the one to the Sultan of Kuwait, yet we know of licenses (or at least permission to operate -- same thing but technically not quite? Are they hair splitting?) that have been issued, such as 7O/OH2YY. So one wonders what the real story is... again, we may never know. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:41 PM To: Zack Widup; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O As far as I know the no good license for 7O1A was issued by the Aden Branch of The Yemen Telecom, and the head office in the capital Saana said that the Aden Branch was not authorized to issue licenses. BUT also the 7O8AA and 7O7AA operations took place from Aden (according to the information I have). Maybe also 7O1AA. Can the documentation problem for 7O1YGF be as simple as they also had authorization only from the Aden Branch? Vlad, UA4WHX, was in Saana in early 2005 but did not operate as he could not get a license - he told us that the ministry said that only one license had been issued, for The Sultan of Kuwait, but he never used it. Search Google UA4WHX + Yemen and you will find a lot of information. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zack Widup To: Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O I really don't know much about that country's government. Are there different factions struggling for power, or claiming authority in different areas? Is it possible some faction claims it can issue licenses, but in fact it isn't considered the real agency who issues licenses? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, KR4DA wrote: If you visit the Yemem tourist center just about anybody can go there. They have 5 star hotels etc.. But what I don't get is who is the official that the ARRL wants a receipt from of being there and counting as official. They will tell you it doesn't count. Tell me what you need from who to count. I have worked 7O1A and 7O1YGF I need 7O as a one of two left to be acceptable by ARRL. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Ron just to clarify. I'm a member of the 7O1YGF team. I ask you kindly that you withdraw what you wrote under point 2, as it is NOT TRUE! Hans, one of 7O1YGF Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Well, I don't know about 7O7AA or 7O8AA (and yes, Osten, I do recall your email from back in March, obviously you have more information at your disposal than I do). Things may have changed after those licenses were issued, and especially after the two Yemens merged back into one country. Or the Aden Branch may have had the authority at one time and does not anymore. Or they overstepped their authority the first time or two and was approval from the Saana may have come retroactively, something they no longer wish to do. I could continue to speculate, but we may never know. As far as the documentation problem with 7O1YGF goes, remember two things: (1) The 7O1YGF team advertised quite often prior to the DXpedition that they had a license. Or at least that they had permission. This was re-iterated during and after the DXpedition... but the elusive license or permission to operate never appears to have either (a) been put on paper, and/or (b) been seen in the light of day by anyone outside of the DXpedition. (2) The 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY documentation to the DXCC desk to have the operation approved for DXCC credit. Just some photos that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen. Let us all also bear in mind that this has happened before. There are more than a few operations by EU ops from Central America that have not been approved due to lack of documentation. It does make one wonder... And yes, I recall the story about Vlad too. Funny that they would tell him no license had ever been issued except the one to the Sultan of Kuwait, yet we know of licenses (or at least permission to operate -- same thing but technically not quite? Are they hair splitting?) that have been issued, such as 7O/OH2YY. So one wonders what the real story is... again, we may never know. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:41 PM To: Zack Widup; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O As far as I know the no good license for 7O1A was issued by the Aden Branch of The Yemen Telecom, and the head office in the capital Saana said that the Aden Branch was not authorized to issue licenses. BUT also the 7O8AA and 7O7AA operations took place from Aden (according to the information I have). Maybe also 7O1AA. Can the documentation problem for 7O1YGF be as simple as they also had authorization only from the Aden Branch? Vlad, UA4WHX, was in Saana in early 2005 but did not operate as he could not get a license - he told us that the ministry said that only one license had been issued, for The Sultan of Kuwait, but he never used it. Search Google UA4WHX + Yemen and you will find a lot of information. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O I really don't know much about that country's government. Are there different factions struggling for power, or claiming authority in different areas? Is it possible some faction claims it can issue licenses, but in fact it isn't considered the real agency who issues licenses? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, KR4DA wrote: If you visit the Yemem tourist center just about anybody can go there. They have 5 star hotels etc.. But what I don't get is who is the official that the ARRL wants a receipt from of being there and counting as official. They will tell you it doesn't count. Tell me what you need from who to count. I have worked 7O1A and 7O1YGF I need 7O as a one of two left to be acceptable by ARRL. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Sir, If it is not true, then what was submitted, to whom, when, and where? -Original Message- From: Hans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Ron just to clarify. I'm a member of the 7O1YGF team. I ask you kindly that you withdraw what you wrote under point 2, as it is NOT TRUE! Hans, one of 7O1YGF Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Well, I don't know about 7O7AA or 7O8AA (and yes, Osten, I do recall your email from back in March, obviously you have more information at your disposal than I do). Things may have changed after those licenses were issued, and especially after the two Yemens merged back into one country. Or the Aden Branch may have had the authority at one time and does not anymore. Or they overstepped their authority the first time or two and was approval from the Saana may have come retroactively, something they no longer wish to do. I could continue to speculate, but we may never know. As far as the documentation problem with 7O1YGF goes, remember two things: (1) The 7O1YGF team advertised quite often prior to the DXpedition that they had a license. Or at least that they had permission. This was re-iterated during and after the DXpedition... but the elusive license or permission to operate never appears to have either (a) been put on paper, and/or (b) been seen in the light of day by anyone outside of the DXpedition. (2) The 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY documentation to the DXCC desk to have the operation approved for DXCC credit. Just some photos that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen. Let us all also bear in mind that this has happened before. There are more than a few operations by EU ops from Central America that have not been approved due to lack of documentation. It does make one wonder... And yes, I recall the story about Vlad too. Funny that they would tell him no license had ever been issued except the one to the Sultan of Kuwait, yet we know of licenses (or at least permission to operate -- same thing but technically not quite? Are they hair splitting?) that have been issued, such as 7O/OH2YY. So one wonders what the real story is... again, we may never know. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:41 PM To: Zack Widup; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O As far as I know the no good license for 7O1A was issued by the Aden Branch of The Yemen Telecom, and the head office in the capital Saana said that the Aden Branch was not authorized to issue licenses. BUT also the 7O8AA and 7O7AA operations took place from Aden (according to the information I have). Maybe also 7O1AA. Can the documentation problem for 7O1YGF be as simple as they also had authorization only from the Aden Branch? Vlad, UA4WHX, was in Saana in early 2005 but did not operate as he could not get a license - he told us that the ministry said that only one license had been issued, for The Sultan of Kuwait, but he never used it. Search Google UA4WHX + Yemen and you will find a lot of information. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O I really don't know much about that country's government. Are there different factions struggling for power, or claiming authority in different areas? Is it possible some faction claims it can issue licenses, but in fact it isn't considered the real agency who issues licenses? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, KR4DA wrote: If you visit the Yemem tourist center just about anybody can go there. They have 5 star hotels etc.. But what I don't get is who is the official that the ARRL wants a receipt from of being there and counting as official. They will tell you it doesn't count. Tell me what you need from who to count. I have worked 7O1A and 7O1YGF I need 7O as a one of two left to be acceptable by ARRL. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Sir, thats exactly what I didnt tell YOU. Asking you again to withdraw what you wrote under point 2. You are guessing and it is not the truth. Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Sir, If it is not true, then what was submitted, to whom, when, and where? -Original Message- From: Hans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Ron just to clarify. I'm a member of the 7O1YGF team. I ask you kindly that you withdraw what you wrote under point 2, as it is NOT TRUE! Hans, one of 7O1YGF Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Well, I don't know about 7O7AA or 7O8AA (and yes, Osten, I do recall your email from back in March, obviously you have more information at your disposal than I do). Things may have changed after those licenses were issued, and especially after the two Yemens merged back into one country. Or the Aden Branch may have had the authority at one time and does not anymore. Or they overstepped their authority the first time or two and was approval from the Saana may have come retroactively, something they no longer wish to do. I could continue to speculate, but we may never know. As far as the documentation problem with 7O1YGF goes, remember two things: (1) The 7O1YGF team advertised quite often prior to the DXpedition that they had a license. Or at least that they had permission. This was re-iterated during and after the DXpedition... but the elusive license or permission to operate never appears to have either (a) been put on paper, and/or (b) been seen in the light of day by anyone outside of the DXpedition. (2) The 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY documentation to the DXCC desk to have the operation approved for DXCC credit. Just some photos that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen. Let us all also bear in mind that this has happened before. There are more than a few operations by EU ops from Central America that have not been approved due to lack of documentation. It does make one wonder... And yes, I recall the story about Vlad too. Funny that they would tell him no license had ever been issued except the one to the Sultan of Kuwait, yet we know of licenses (or at least permission to operate -- same thing but technically not quite? Are they hair splitting?) that have been issued, such as 7O/OH2YY. So one wonders what the real story is... again, we may never know. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:41 PM To: Zack Widup; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O As far as I know the no good license for 7O1A was issued by the Aden Branch of The Yemen Telecom, and the head office in the capital Saana said that the Aden Branch was not authorized to issue licenses. BUT also the 7O8AA and 7O7AA operations took place from Aden (according to the information I have). Maybe also 7O1AA. Can the documentation problem for 7O1YGF be as simple as they also had authorization only from the Aden Branch? Vlad, UA4WHX, was in Saana in early 2005 but did not operate as he could not get a license - he told us that the ministry said that only one license had been issued, for The Sultan of Kuwait, but he never used it. Search Google UA4WHX + Yemen and you will find a lot of information. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O I really don't know much about that country's government. Are there different factions struggling for power, or claiming authority in different areas? Is it possible some faction claims it can issue licenses, but in fact it isn't considered the real agency who issues licenses? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, KR4DA wrote: If you visit the Yemem tourist center just about anybody can go there. They have 5 star hotels etc.. But what I don't get is who is the official that the ARRL wants a receipt from of being there and counting as official. They will tell you it doesn't count. Tell me what you need from who to count. I have worked 7O1A and 7O1YGF I need 7O as a one of two left to be acceptable by ARRL. Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O
At 01:25 PM 8/12/2007, Hans wrote: Sir, thats exactly what I didnt tell YOU. Asking you again to withdraw what you wrote under point 2. You are guessing and it is not the truth. Hans, I'm really confused. if you have information that will settle this issue, why in the name of heaver are YOU depriving hundreds, maybe thousands of the opportunity to confirm this entity? It's YOUR move! Reveal your information and settle this once and for all. As for those of you upset with ARRL on this, please redirect your anger toward Hans as he appears to be the real culprit here. 73, Mike, W5UC age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O
I see. Sir, I do not know who you are, as you have not signed a call and are using a somewhat generic email address to hide your identity. So I have no way of knowing whether or not your claims are accurate. Regardless. You have asked me to withdraw my statement which read as follows: (2) The 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY documentation to the DXCC desk to have the operation approved for DXCC credit. Just some photos that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen. This comment is based on published amateur radio news reports circa 2002. If anything has changed in the last five years, it has not been published. Now: In reviewing the information, I do find that I made a small error in that statement. I should not have stated that no documentation was ever submitted, but that no official documenation from the government was submitted (for reference see http://www.arrl.org/news/stories/2002/08/15/2). I had thought that was implicit within the context of the discussion and had not intended it to be perceived otherwise. I apologize for the error as it was unintentional. Therefore, please consider my point amended to read as follows: (2) As far as is publicly known, the 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY official documenation from the Yemen government to the ARRL DXCC Desk. Without official documenation, the operation (as per DXCC Rules) can not be approved for DXCC credit. Further, the last reports of any submission of material regards photographs and possibly other non-government documentation that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen in 2002. Having said that: Hans, if you are who you imply that you are, and as a member of this reflector have been following this discussion... can you help explain to the DX community what the documentation holdup is? I realize that this is a complex situation, and thanks to a local DX'er, retired military, who served in the Middle East at one time, I have a slight understanding of how complicated the political situation can be. So I am not asking you to violate confidences, or reveal things that should not be revealed at this time. Still... surely there must be something that can be said to shed light on the situation? After all, you do seem upset that I (and others) are guessing. Yes, we are speculating based on what little we know and what little we can infer from published reports. Considering the number of DX'ers who are upset about the situation, this is to be expected. So what can you tell us that will clear up the speculation? 73 -Original Message- From: Hans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 2:26 PM To: Ron Notarius W3WN Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Sir, thats exactly what I didnt tell YOU. Asking you again to withdraw what you wrote under point 2. You are guessing and it is not the truth. Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Sir, If it is not true, then what was submitted, to whom, when, and where? -Original Message- From: Hans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Ron just to clarify. I'm a member of the 7O1YGF team. I ask you kindly that you withdraw what you wrote under point 2, as it is NOT TRUE! Hans, one of 7O1YGF Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O ARRL
All right gang, once again, please tone it down. Tempers are starting to flare, and the only thing that I want to see with flares right now is the Sun. 73, ron w3wn administrator, dx chat -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of BKGarcia Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; DX-CHAT@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O ARRL Mike -- And how did you conclude that eQSL is worthless...? That seems to be your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I'd just like to know how you came to that conclusion. Are you implying there is more fraud in the eQSL database than the DXCC system? If so, how do you know that? If there were fraud in the LoTW, do you think it would be readily exposed by HQ ARRL? I'm not confident it would be, and that's my opinion. And how valuable was the bandwidth you used to slam eQSL compared to the bandwidth others used to piss on the League? Inquiring minds want to know how you made that judgement. In my opinion eQSL is managed with as much integritry as LoTW and the DXCC program. eQSL has an incentive to avoid fraud if they are to be successful (i.e., earn the respect of the ham community while making money). I had to fax a copy of my FCC license to eQSL to register. Isn't that sufficient to avoid fraud? eQSL collects donations and fees. ARRL collects dues and fees. Where do you see a significant difference between eQSL and LoTW other than that the League and DXCC have been in business longer. You didn't slam the CQ Magazine equivalent of DXCC. Does that mean you accept that program? If so, why? What about the CQ WAZ program. 5 Band WAZ seems to me to be a significant achievement -- and you must get paper in hand to get credit, not just a database entry in LoTW. Hu I don't find any significant faults in the way ARRL administers the DXCC program. They seem to take it seriously and work to keep it up to date. I also don't find any fault with either eQSL or the CQ DX programs. All have their rules and they seem to stick to their respective rules. None of those programs are worthless in my opinion. Bert, N8NN - Original Message - From: Mike(W5UC) Kathy(K5MWH) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: DX-CHAT@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 4:20 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] 7O ARRL It's amazing how these discussions always evolve into ARRL bashing sessions. All of this huffing puffing and crying moaning the blues about how sorry ARRL is, but I never see anyone stepping up to the plate to offer anything better. It's a very simple equation. If you don't like the ARRL, that's fine. Don't participate in DXCC. Go participate in something worthless like e-qsl, but please don't waste our time and bandwidth pissing moaning about the League. For me, I think they do an excellent job of managing a program that no-one else has the courage(ba**s) nor finding to manage. Get over it! 73, Mike, W5UC age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Hans wrote: Sir, thats exactly what I didnt tell YOU. Asking you again to withdraw what you wrote under point 2. You are guessing and it is not the truth. Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Sir, If it is not true, then what was submitted, to whom, when, and where? What an unbelievable bunch of childish crap! Sounds like a couple of 5th graders in a schoolyard. -- John - W2AGN Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Hans, The DXCC Desk has publicly said in multiple forums that the 7O1YGF group has NEVER presented any documentation other than a few pictures showing the group in some Arab country. If written documentation - license, permission to operate and stamped passports - exist, scan it an post it on the web site for the rest of the world to see and evaluate. If you can't or wont post it, the ARRL statement remains unchallenged. 73, ... Joe, W4TV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hans Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 2:26 PM To: Ron Notarius W3WN Cc: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Sir, thats exactly what I didnt tell YOU. Asking you again to withdraw what you wrote under point 2. You are guessing and it is not the truth. Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Sir, If it is not true, then what was submitted, to whom, when, and where? -Original Message- From: Hans [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 1:19 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Ron just to clarify. I'm a member of the 7O1YGF team. I ask you kindly that you withdraw what you wrote under point 2, as it is NOT TRUE! Hans, one of 7O1YGF Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Well, I don't know about 7O7AA or 7O8AA (and yes, Osten, I do recall your email from back in March, obviously you have more information at your disposal than I do). Things may have changed after those licenses were issued, and especially after the two Yemens merged back into one country. Or the Aden Branch may have had the authority at one time and does not anymore. Or they overstepped their authority the first time or two and was approval from the Saana may have come retroactively, something they no longer wish to do. I could continue to speculate, but we may never know. As far as the documentation problem with 7O1YGF goes, remember two things: (1) The 7O1YGF team advertised quite often prior to the DXpedition that they had a license. Or at least that they had permission. This was re-iterated during and after the DXpedition... but the elusive license or permission to operate never appears to have either (a) been put on paper, and/or (b) been seen in the light of day by anyone outside of the DXpedition. (2) The 7O1YGF team has never submitted ANY documentation to the DXCC desk to have the operation approved for DXCC credit. Just some photos that were given to N7NG at Friedrichshafen. Let us all also bear in mind that this has happened before. There are more than a few operations by EU ops from Central America that have not been approved due to lack of documentation. It does make one wonder... And yes, I recall the story about Vlad too. Funny that they would tell him no license had ever been issued except the one to the Sultan of Kuwait, yet we know of licenses (or at least permission to operate -- same thing but technically not quite? Are they hair splitting?) that have been issued, such as 7O/OH2YY. So one wonders what the real story is... again, we may never know. 73 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Osten B Magnusson Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:41 PM To: Zack Widup; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O As far as I know the no good license for 7O1A was issued by the Aden Branch of The Yemen Telecom, and the head office in the capital Saana said that the Aden Branch was not authorized to issue licenses. BUT also the 7O8AA and 7O7AA operations took place from Aden (according to the information I have). Maybe also 7O1AA. Can the documentation problem for 7O1YGF be as simple as they also had authorization only from the Aden Branch? Vlad, UA4WHX, was in Saana in early 2005 but did not operate as he could not get a license - he told us that the ministry said that only one license had been issued, for The Sultan of Kuwait, but he never used it. Search Google UA4WHX + Yemen and you will find a lot of information. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Zack Widup [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O I really don't know much about that country's government. Are there different factions struggling for power, or claiming authority in different areas? Is it possible some faction claims it can issue licenses, but in fact it isn't considered the real agency who issues licenses? 73, Zack W9SZ On Sat, 11 Aug 2007, KR4DA wrote: If you visit the Yemem tourist center just about anybody can go there. They have 5 star hotels etc.. But what I don't get is who
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O
W2AGN wrote: Hans wrote: Sir, thats exactly what I didnt tell YOU. Asking you again to withdraw what you wrote under point 2. You are guessing and it is not the truth. Ron Notarius W3WN schrieb: Sir, If it is not true, then what was submitted, to whom, when, and where? What an unbelievable bunch of childish crap! Sounds like a couple of 5th graders in a schoolyard. Is this an appropriate time to pen the oft used line: It's only a hobby... ? 73, Barry -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O
Why don't you all just get off the guy's case. Yemen is a difficult place well know that. We also know you can't just step off a plane with ham radio gear and start transmitting or you land in jail or worse. Why don't you just work the guy or don't work the guy - your choice, then wait and see what happens. Who can tell what document(s) he might or might not have. Primarily he is a businessman going there on business, and will try to get some ham radio in when he has the time. If you are so convinced without even knowing the guy, or the facts, that the operation won't count - then - just go on vacation! What business is it of yours to be writing to ARRL BEFORE an operation Tom GM4FDM Dave AA6YQ wrote: Unless Bill has reviewed and pre-approved the documentation for this operation, his only reasonable response is I don't know; you decide. If he says I doubt it will count, and you go on vacation, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill approves, then his face is on your dartboard. If he says It might count, and you cancel your vacation, and you spend hours in your shack to work G4HCL/7O, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill rejects, then his face is on your dartboard. 7O is the last one I need. There's no question about where I'll be come Monday UTC... 73, Dave, AA6YQ - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Bill (ARRL DXCC) Moore mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Cc:* DX Chat mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2007 6:48 PM *Subject:* [DX-CHAT] 7O Bill: I am writing this as an open email to you in hopes that you will respond to my questions for my benefit, and also for others that partake in DXCC. The following article appeared in the DXis website: Chris Lorek, G4HCL, has authorized me to inform everyone that he plans to be active from Sana, Yemen, once again as 7O/G4HCL from Monday 13 August until early on Wednesday 15 August. Chris has written permission and official authority to operate on all HF amateur bands under supervised conditions, but warns that it may or may not be possible to obtain the specific documentation that satisfies DXCC requirements. WFWL! This is NOT A DXpedition but a business trip, and operation will therefore only be when possible and is only likely to be for short periods at a time. Chris will be using 1kW to a professional biconical monopole communications antenna. Activity will be SSB only, and probably only on 20m (look between 14170 and 14260kHz). QSL information for this operation is direct only to G4HCL,PO Box 400, Eastleigh SO53 4ZF, UK. This begs the obvious questions given the recent 7O operations (7O1YGF AND 7O1A) that have happened and not approved by DXCC: 1. Have you had any contact with Chris regarding who the proper authority is and what paperwork is necessary for it to get DXCC approval? Would you let us know who the recognized authority is there and what paperwork is required from them. I ask this question because it keeps coming up in discussions about past and future operation from 7O. If he hasn't contacted you, are you going to try and contact him to advise him on what is required to get approval of his op from DXCC. 2. Do you feel there is a possibility of this becoming a DXCC approved operation? Is it worth canceling my current vacation plans to try and make a contact and get a card confirming it? 3. Since it is not a Dxpedition and since he will only be operating during his available time, it means extensive time commitment on our parts to try and be there when he activates. That pretty much ties up 3 days to do that. When he is on, there will be huge pileups with the slimmer chances of getting through .Is it worth going through all of that if it is unlikely to ever get DXCC approval? Sharing you opinion on this will hopefully gives us a better feel for whether it is worth the effort and sacrifices to get in the log. I don't need any more wallpaper of worthless QSL cards from 7O. Sincerely John Owens - N7TK Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O
No one's on G4HCL's case, Tom. Everyone understands that he'll do the best he can. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Wylie Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:38 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Why don't you all just get off the guy's case. Yemen is a difficult place well know that. We also know you can't just step off a plane with ham radio gear and start transmitting or you land in jail or worse. Why don't you just work the guy or don't work the guy - your choice, then wait and see what happens. Who can tell what document(s) he might or might not have. Primarily he is a businessman going there on business, and will try to get some ham radio in when he has the time. If you are so convinced without even knowing the guy, or the facts, that the operation won't count - then - just go on vacation! What business is it of yours to be writing to ARRL BEFORE an operation Tom GM4FDM Dave AA6YQ wrote: Unless Bill has reviewed and pre-approved the documentation for this operation, his only reasonable response is I don't know; you decide. If he says I doubt it will count, and you go on vacation, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill approves, then his face is on your dartboard. If he says It might count, and you cancel your vacation, and you spend hours in your shack to work G4HCL/7O, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill rejects, then his face is on your dartboard. 7O is the last one I need. There's no question about where I'll be come Monday UTC... 73, Dave, AA6YQ - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Bill (ARRL DXCC) Moore mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Cc:* DX Chat mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2007 6:48 PM *Subject:* [DX-CHAT] 7O Bill: I am writing this as an open email to you in hopes that you will respond to my questions for my benefit, and also for others that partake in DXCC. The following article appeared in the DXis website: Chris Lorek, G4HCL, has authorized me to inform everyone that he plans to be active from Sana, Yemen, once again as 7O/G4HCL from Monday 13 August until early on Wednesday 15 August. Chris has written permission and official authority to operate on all HF amateur bands under supervised conditions, but warns that it may or may not be possible to obtain the specific documentation that satisfies DXCC requirements. WFWL! This is NOT A DXpedition but a business trip, and operation will therefore only be when possible and is only likely to be for short periods at a time. Chris will be using 1kW to a professional biconical monopole communications antenna. Activity will be SSB only, and probably only on 20m (look between 14170 and 14260kHz). QSL information for this operation is direct only to G4HCL,PO Box 400, Eastleigh SO53 4ZF, UK. This begs the obvious questions given the recent 7O operations (7O1YGF AND 7O1A) that have happened and not approved by DXCC: 1. Have you had any contact with Chris regarding who the proper authority is and what paperwork is necessary for it to get DXCC approval? Would you let us know who the recognized authority is there and what paperwork is required from them. I ask this question because it keeps coming up in discussions about past and future operation from 7O. If he hasn't contacted you, are you going to try and contact him to advise him on what is required to get approval of his op from DXCC. 2. Do you feel there is a possibility of this becoming a DXCC approved operation? Is it worth canceling my current vacation plans to try and make a contact and get a card confirming it? 3. Since it is not a Dxpedition and since he will only be operating during his available time, it means extensive time commitment on our parts to try and be there when he activates. That pretty much ties up 3 days to do that. When he is on, there will be huge pileups with the slimmer chances of getting through .Is it worth going through all of that if it is unlikely to ever get DXCC approval? Sharing you opinion on this will hopefully gives us a better feel for whether it is worth the effort and sacrifices to get in the log. I don't need any more wallpaper of worthless QSL cards from 7O. Sincerely John Owens - N7TK Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O
I think to write to Bill and ask him if he's seen any documentation is perfectly reasonable. If so then was the documentation any good is also a reasonable question, particularly after the 7O1A and 7O1YGF farces. But for N7TK to ask Bill whether he thinks he should go on holiday or not, well in my opinion he's having a turkish (look it up on a cockney rhyming slang website) I worked 7O/OH2YY in 2002 so you won't hear me in the pileups - hopefully that makes space for one more bloke who needs it. And good luck to those who do. Chris Lorek is a good solid bloke, and I'm sure he's done his best to ensure that things are all above board and legal. I can also suggest that if Chris is providing the kit then it'll put out a decent signal. cheers Dave G0OIL Dave AA6YQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No one's on G4HCL's case, Tom. Everyone understands that he'll do the best he can. 73, Dave, AA6YQ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tom Wylie Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 2:38 AM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Why don't you all just get off the guy's case. Yemen is a difficult place well know that. We also know you can't just step off a plane with ham radio gear and start transmitting or you land in jail or worse. Why don't you just work the guy or don't work the guy - your choice, then wait and see what happens. Who can tell what document(s) he might or might not have. Primarily he is a businessman going there on business, and will try to get some ham radio in when he has the time. If you are so convinced without even knowing the guy, or the facts, that the operation won't count - then - just go on vacation! What business is it of yours to be writing to ARRL BEFORE an operation Tom GM4FDM Dave AA6YQ wrote: Unless Bill has reviewed and pre-approved the documentation for this operation, his only reasonable response is I don't know; you decide. If he says I doubt it will count, and you go on vacation, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill approves, then his face is on your dartboard. If he says It might count, and you cancel your vacation, and you spend hours in your shack to work G4HCL/7O, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill rejects, then his face is on your dartboard. 7O is the last one I need. There's no question about where I'll be come Monday UTC... 73, Dave, AA6YQ - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Bill (ARRL DXCC) Moore *Cc:* DX Chat *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2007 6:48 PM *Subject:* [DX-CHAT] 7O Bill: I am writing this as an open email to you in hopes that you will respond to my questions for my benefit, and also for others that partake in DXCC. The following article appeared in the DXis website: Chris Lorek, G4HCL, has authorized me to inform everyone that he plans to be active from Sana, Yemen, once again as 7O/G4HCL from Monday 13 August until early on Wednesday 15 August. Chris has written permission and official authority to operate on all HF amateur bands under supervised conditions, but warns that it may or may not be possible to obtain the specific documentation that satisfies DXCC requirements. WFWL! This is NOT A DXpedition but a business trip, and operation will therefore only be when possible and is only likely to be for short periods at a time. Chris will be using 1kW to a professional biconical monopole communications antenna. Activity will be SSB only, and probably only on 20m (look between 14170 and 14260kHz). QSL information for this operation is direct only to G4HCL,PO Box 400, Eastleigh SO53 4ZF, UK. This begs the obvious questions given the recent 7O operations (7O1YGF AND 7O1A) that have happened and not approved by DXCC: 1. Have you had any contact with Chris regarding who the proper authority is and what paperwork is necessary for it to get DXCC approval? Would you let us know who the recognized authority is there and what paperwork is required from them. I ask this question because it keeps coming up in discussions about past and future operation from 7O. If he hasn't contacted you, are you going to try and contact him to advise him on what is required to get approval of his op from DXCC. 2. Do you feel there is a possibility of this becoming a DXCC approved operation? Is it worth canceling my current vacation plans to try and make a contact and get a card confirming it? 3. Since it is not a Dxpedition and since he will only be operating during his available time, it means extensive time commitment on our parts to try and be there when he activates. That pretty much ties up 3 days to do that. When he is on, there will be huge pileups with the slimmer chances of getting through .Is it worth going through all of that if it is unlikely to ever get DXCC approval? Sharing you opinion on this will hopefully gives us a better feel
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O
If you visit the Yemem tourist center just about anybody can go there. They have 5 star hotels etc.. But what I don't get is who is the official that the ARRL wants a receipt from of being there and counting as official. They will tell you it doesn't count. Tell me what you need from who to count. I have worked 7O1A and 7O1YGF I need 7O as a one of two left to be acceptable by ARRL. Tom Wylie wrote: Why don't you all just get off the guy's case. Yemen is a difficult place well know that. We also know you can't just step off a plane with ham radio gear and start transmitting or you land in jail or worse. Why don't you just work the guy or don't work the guy - your choice, then wait and see what happens. Who can tell what document(s) he might or might not have. Primarily he is a businessman going there on business, and will try to get some ham radio in when he has the time. If you are so convinced without even knowing the guy, or the facts, that the operation won't count - then - just go on vacation! What business is it of yours to be writing to ARRL BEFORE an operation Tom GM4FDM Dave AA6YQ wrote: Unless Bill has reviewed and pre-approved the documentation for this operation, his only reasonable response is I don't know; you decide. If he says I doubt it will count, and you go on vacation, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill approves, then his face is on your dartboard. If he says It might count, and you cancel your vacation, and you spend hours in your shack to work G4HCL/7O, and G4HCL later sends documentation that Bill rejects, then his face is on your dartboard. 7O is the last one I need. There's no question about where I'll be come Monday UTC... 73, Dave, AA6YQ - Original Message - *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Bill (ARRL DXCC) Moore mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Cc:* DX Chat mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org *Sent:* Friday, August 10, 2007 6:48 PM *Subject:* [DX-CHAT] 7O Bill: I am writing this as an open email to you in hopes that you will respond to my questions for my benefit, and also for others that partake in DXCC. The following article appeared in the DXis website: Chris Lorek, G4HCL, has authorized me to inform everyone that he plans to be active from Sana, Yemen, once again as 7O/G4HCL from Monday 13 August until early on Wednesday 15 August. Chris has written permission and official authority to operate on all HF amateur bands under supervised conditions, but warns that it may or may not be possible to obtain the specific documentation that satisfies DXCC requirements. WFWL! This is NOT A DXpedition but a business trip, and operation will therefore only be when possible and is only likely to be for short periods at a time. Chris will be using 1kW to a professional biconical monopole communications antenna. Activity will be SSB only, and probably only on 20m (look between 14170 and 14260kHz). QSL information for this operation is direct only to G4HCL,PO Box 400, Eastleigh SO53 4ZF, UK. This begs the obvious questions given the recent 7O operations (7O1YGF AND 7O1A) that have happened and not approved by DXCC: 1. Have you had any contact with Chris regarding who the proper authority is and what paperwork is necessary for it to get DXCC approval? Would you let us know who the recognized authority is there and what paperwork is required from them. I ask this question because it keeps coming up in discussions about past and future operation from 7O. If he hasn't contacted you, are you going to try and contact him to advise him on what is required to get approval of his op from DXCC. 2. Do you feel there is a possibility of this becoming a DXCC approved operation? Is it worth canceling my current vacation plans to try and make a contact and get a card confirming it? 3. Since it is not a Dxpedition and since he will only be operating during his available time, it means extensive time commitment on our parts to try and be there when he activates. That pretty much ties up 3 days to do that. When he is on, there will be huge pileups with the slimmer chances of getting through .Is it worth going through all of that if it is unlikely to ever get DXCC approval? Sharing you opinion on this will hopefully gives us a better feel for whether it is worth the effort and sacrifices to get in the log. I don't need any more wallpaper of worthless QSL cards from 7O. Sincerely John Owens - N7TK Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
Well wrote ! I agree 100%, which means fu*k ARRL and their levels, bcus they are not not doing as they should do. Not too long ago somebody wrote: I just worked it, and I do not care if ARRL accept it as OK or not! Fu*k them, I did it . Regards for everyone, Goran, E78G (T98G, 4N4AE,...) R.S. Bosnia Herzegovina - Original Message - From: david miller To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 7:45 PM Subject: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL The ARRL can be quite vague or to the point when asked what they will accept as sufficient proof of operation and who that proof must come from. It depends on the day of week it seems. W1GDQ -- Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! Play It! __ NOD32 2451 (20070811) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
That may have been true in the distant past, from what I recall from when I was first licensed. I do not believe that to be true today, especially since the implementation of the current DXCC rules (aka DXCC 2000), contrary to rumor. Besides... they can't evaluate sufficient proof or operation when none has been submitted, despite repeated requests! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of david miller Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 1:46 PM To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL The ARRL can be quite vague or to the point when asked what they will accept as sufficient proof of operation and who that proof must come from. It depends on the day of week it seems. W1GDQ -- Recharge--play some free games. Win cool prizes too! Play It! Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
At 01:46 PM 8/11/2007, Goran Arezina wrote: Not too long ago somebody wrote: I just worked it, and I do not care if ARRL accept it as OK or not! Fu*k them, I did it . Really? Are you sure it wasn't a pirate? Do you have proof that you worked them? Was the operation approved by the particular government in question? 73, Mike, W5UC age treachery will overcome youth skill http://www.suddenlink.net/pages/w5uc/ Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
I understand why dxcc can not pre-judge any one operation for validation for dxcc credit. have to wait until the op is actually done. HOWEVER, surely dxcc could tell what kind of documentation is necessary from any one entity or another, and be able to name the local official who will approve an op that dxcc will also approve. In my case, still a sore point, dxcc would not tell me who was the key official to contact in Lao (PDRL), although immediately after my op, dxcc was able to go directly to a Lao official to check on me. Why not just tell me that guy's name in advance and save all my QSOs the pain of getting my XW1UD card that does not count. I would never expect prior approval before the actual op, but surely whatever validation procedure will occur just after the op could be shared BEFORE the op. Further, several entities have a confusing or non-existing ways of getting ham op permissions. Lao had three offices, then, all claiming to be THE only one needed. There is no way someone in CT can have the detailed knowledge of the inner workings of some entities governments (or lack of same) so apparently just go on whatever comes up at the time. When a system refuses nice looking PAPER signed by folks who seem to be ok, and nevertheless OKs a tape recorded approval that is allowed to count, things appear decidedly ad hoc. My thot is if the op has photo proof of presence in the entity, operates, and departs without being arrested, then it should count. Not being evicted nor arrested to me is proof the local authorities approved. I think, on the other hand, if an op is evicted (or arrested) that is obvious evidence that the op was bogus. I still want to get approval to activate an iceberg. 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Messenger Café open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
RE: [DX-CHAT] 7O and the ARRL
Before anyone else's temper flares up on 7O1YGF, let's all remember one key fact: The DXCC Desk can't approve the operation. Not won't; can't. Why? Simple: The 7O1YGF team never submitted anything. In past years, I've had a lot of talks at Dayton and via email with various people connected to the DXCC program at the time. Whenever I've brought up the subject of this one, I have been told many times, point blank, that they would love to approve the operation. But until documentation (not just photographs) of some kind, any kind, is submitted, it will remain pending. Many of us argue about the fine points of what should count for sufficient documentation... passport or visa stamps, or customs approval to import the gear, or a letter from Someone Official indicating that they had permission to operate... whatever. If any of this documentation exists, no one in Newington has seen it. If it doesn't exist, no one from the team has told Newington the story. By the same token, without a submittal, I doubt that they will approve it. That opens the door to anyone who claims the dog ate my license when asking for approval. Yes, once upon a time, a DX'er's word on where he was operating from was pretty much good enough. That was back in the days when dx'ers were few, dx'er's were presumed to be gentlemen and honorable, and the world wasn't as concerned about coverring it's collective assets if something went wrong. And then came W9WNV, and Romeo, and a handful of others of that ilk, and a change for the worse came. So give Newington a break. They're not out to undermine a DXpedition; hardly the case. But it's their program, their rules, and those rules aren't exactly a secret... so if someone chooses not to play ball, don't blame them. 73 Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
[Fwd: Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O]
Forwarded at the request of John N7TK... The thrust of my message was that who are we to prejudge anyone BEFORE and operation takes place? We cannot and should not compare this operation to any previous ones. Let us wait till the operation takes place, and await the decision of ARRL as to whether the documentation submitted is sufficient for their requirements. No body is forced to approach the ARRL BEFORE an operation to seek accrediation.If I were lucky enough to get the opportunity to go to Yemen, I would tell NOBODY and just start operating. Then worry about the accreditation when I got home.We are fortunate to live in countires which give out nice printed documents with the name LICENSE at the top. There are a lot of countries out there which don't, so we have to live with that and examine any written documentation upon return. Some places, you just go to the local post office, pay your money and select your own call-signthey give you a piece of paper which says at the top - License. Tom GM4FDM Original Message Subject:Re: [DX-CHAT] 7O Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2007 16:42:43 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I will answer this and hope to answer other comments and questions, as I am the one who started this thread. The pursuit of the Top of the DXCC List involves 1/2 or better of one's life, many thousands of hours, and many thousands of $. When you see 2 recent operations in 7O fail to get DXCC certification, I think we all have a right to know why that happened. I started all of this with an open letter on DXCAT to Bill Moore because I assumed I was not the only one wondering why so many 7O operations fail to get DXCC acceptance. I was hoping that the 7O/G4HCL operation would not just end up being another one of these. I have no issues with Bill and he has always answered every question I have ever asked him in a courteous and thorough manner. Bill answered my email in the same manner and allowed me to publish it to the DXCHAT list as long as it wasn't edited which is what I did. I also have no issues with G4HCL and applaud his willingness to haul gear with him and activate a station during a business trip. A 7O operation of any kind is going to get a lot of attention as most of us need it. Bill told me (and the rest of us) that the DXCC requirements for accreditation of operating at any entity are published for everyone to read. That being the case, one has to assume that G4HCL has read this and knows what is required. He says he has permission to operate in a supervised manner, whatever that means. Whether he is able to get the paperwork required to get DXCC certification remains to be seen. I would bet that he also knows why the 7O1YGF and 7O1A operations failed to get certified and will try to not repeat those mistakes. There is no requirement for G4HCL to contact DXCC prior to an operation, and apparently he did not. Bill said he tried to contact him via email and failed to get an answer back. Nothing should be read into that either. It tells me that Bill is trying to help the operation be a success. I wish G4HCL luck in his travels and radio operations, and hope that it ends up getting DXCC certification (assuming he will apply for it). Sounds like he intends to do so. Considering the sacrifices and time we put into this pursuit, I think we all have a right to want to know why the previous operations did not get certified, want to know why that happened, and want to understand the DXCC system well enough to know how the rules are established and what is required to get certifed. That is all I was trying to do, and made it an open request to benefit others who might have the same questions. There are many of us, and I have no regrets for having done this. For anything like this, there will be many pro and con positions and we have seen a few of these posted. That is what is healthy about open discussions like this as we all learn something from it. I am a little unhappy that I have cards from both 7O1A and 7O1YGF that I expected to get DXCC credit for, and that didn't happen. I don't know who to blame that on. It is probably not DXCC's fault, but then you can get into the argument about how flexible the system should be in these situations. In a country like Yemen, I am sure you don't just get through customs and set up an operate a radio station without some kind of permission. Let's hope this one ends up getting DXCC certification. Whether I cancel my vacation plans or not has nothing to do with this. That is my personal choice, and I likely will be there with the rest of you chasing a contact with G4HCL in the log. Sincerely John Owens - N7TK -- Original message -- From: Tom Wylie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why don't you all just get off the guy's case. Yemen is a difficult place well know that. We
[DX-CHAT] 7O possible operation
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[DX-CHAT] 7o country
Anyone now if . 7O/OH2YY 7O1A 7O1YGF 4W1AF Anyone of that QSL.s are valid for DXCC as YEMEN TEO EA6BH
[DX-CHAT] 7O -facts!
Lots of thinking I just can't understand, these are the facts: 1 7O/OH2YY If he had permission or not we don't know and neither does Bill Moore. As of today it's ''a no documation received'' case. 2 7O1A had written permission from the PTT-office in Aden, but the head-office in Saanah said that the Aden office did not have authority to issue permits. Therefore it's ''an unlegal operation''. 3 7O1YGF No real documentation received by ARRL. What Wayne Mills, N7NG, got when he was in Friedrischafen this summer seems to be sort of proof that the group were operating from Yemen, but nothing else. Not sufficient, but maybe the group can have additional paperwork coming up. I will not quote DailyDX as there is copyright, but maybe you can have information from the editor, Bernie, W3UR, who has talked with Wayne still on vacation in Wyoming. 4 As you can see, none of the 3 cases above has been treated wrong by the Bill or Wayne at the ARRL DXCC-dept. 73/DX de Osten SM5DQC e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
