Re: [DX-CHAT] Up
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net wrote: Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think of any other explanation. Up isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just not know how to use their radios?? I contend that it's the packet spots (just DX call and frequency) and nothing else. People blindly go to them and if they hear the DX, just start calling. W3LPL spots compound this problem because they *never* mention split operation. Here's an albeit pathological case from TX7M today - only 2/5 spots mention split frequency operation: SP7CXV 18077.8 TX7M lsn up-3 1607 25 Oct LX1DA 18077.7 TX7M QRM by F-Nino F6AML 1603 25 Oct IK6JOT 18077.0 TX7M QRMER VIGLIACCHI 1602 25 Oct SV2BOH 18077.7 TX7M over than qrm tks 1558 25 Oct OM3SX-@18077.7 TX7M up1 1551 25 Oct Also, many DX stations working a pileup rarely sign their call or mention UP between QSOs. TX7M was different in this regard, I heard one op send TU UP after each QSO. People forget they have VFOs. If they just tuned up the band a *little* before starting to call, they'd hear the pileup! 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Up
Hi Jim.best explanation so far. I wondered why the split info wasn't posted but I guess it is skimmer? Don't know much about it. Steve, N4JQQ Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net wrote: Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think of any other explanation. Up isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just not know how to use their radios?? I contend that it's the packet spots (just DX call and frequency) and nothing else. People blindly go to them and if they hear the DX, just start calling. W3LPL spots compound this problem because they *never* mention split operation. Here's an albeit pathological case from TX7M today - only 2/5 spots mention split frequency operation: SP7CXV 18077.8 TX7M lsn up-3 1607 25 Oct LX1DA 18077.7 TX7M QRM by F-Nino F6AML 1603 25 Oct IK6JOT 18077.0 TX7M QRMER VIGLIACCHI 1602 25 Oct SV2BOH 18077.7 TX7M over than qrm tks 1558 25 Oct OM3SX-@18077.7 TX7M up1 1551 25 Oct Also, many DX stations working a pileup rarely sign their call or mention UP between QSOs. TX7M was different in this regard, I heard one op send TU UP after each QSO. People forget they have VFOs. If they just tuned up the band a *little* before starting to call, they'd hear the pileup! 73 - Jim AD1C --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Up
I think the w3lpl spots are off his skimmer, maybe the skimmer software needs to learn cw too? Don N1DG At 12:40 PM 10/25/2011, Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net wrote: Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think of any other explanation. Up isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just not know how to use their radios?? I contend that it's the packet spots (just DX call and frequency) and nothing else. People blindly go to them and if they hear the DX, just start calling. W3LPL spots compound this problem because they *never* mention split operation. Here's an albeit pathological case from TX7M today - only 2/5 spots mention split frequency operation: SP7CXV 18077.8 TX7M lsn up-3 1607 25 Oct LX1DA 18077.7 TX7M QRM by F-Nino F6AML 1603 25 Oct IK6JOT 18077.0 TX7M QRMER VIGLIACCHI 1602 25 Oct SV2BOH 18077.7 TX7M over than qrm tks 1558 25 Oct OM3SX-@18077.7 TX7M up1 1551 25 Oct Also, many DX stations working a pileup rarely sign their call or mention UP between QSOs. TX7M was different in this regard, I heard one op send TU UP after each QSO. People forget they have VFOs. If they just tuned up the band a *little* before starting to call, they'd hear the pileup! 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: Re: [DX-CHAT] Up
The automated posts from several stations, such as W3LPL, are using their Skimmersetups toautomaticallypost spots to the RBN and the Cluster based on CQ calls received.I believe the software in use isdesigned to pick up the call, but not neccesarily otherinformation.Which proves that the astute amateur will LISTEN first BEFORE transmitting REGARDLESS of what a cluster or RBN spot says. Some of our less experienced brethern haven't figured that out yet. And some of them never will.73On 10/25/11, Crownhavencrownha...@bellsouth.net wrote:Hi Jim.best explanation so far. I wondered why the split info wasn't posted but I guess it is skimmer? Don't know much about it.Steve, N4JQQJim Reisert AD1C wrote: On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net wrote: Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think of any other explanation. "Up" isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just not know how to use their radios?? I contend that it's the packet spots (just DX call and frequency) and nothing else. People blindly go to them and if they hear the DX, just start calling. W3LPL spots compound this problem because they *never* mention split operation. Here's an albeit pathological case from TX7M today - only 2/5 spots mention split frequency operation: SP7CXV 18077.8 TX7M lsn up-3 1607 25 Oct LX1DA 18077.7 TX7M QRM by F-Nino F6AML 1603 25 Oct IK6JOT 18077.0 TX7M QRMER VIGLIACCHI 1602 25 Oct SV2BOH 18077.7 TX7M over than qrm tks 1558 25 Oct OM3SX-@ 18077.7 TX7M up1 1551 25 Oct Also, many DX stations working a pileup rarely sign their call or mention "UP" between QSOs. TX7M was different in this regard, I heard one op send "TU UP" after each QSO. People forget they have VFOs. If they just tuned up the band a *little* before starting to call, they'd hear the pileup! 73 - Jim AD1C ---To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org--- ---To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message toimail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chator subscribe dx-chatThis is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Up
We can't blame skimmer for these problems. It might exacerbate them but the individual operator is at fault. Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: The automated posts from several stations, such as W3LPL, are using their Skimmer setups to automatically post spots to the RBN and the Cluster based on CQ calls received. I believe the software in use is designed to pick up the call, but not neccesarily other information. Which proves that the astute amateur will LISTEN first BEFORE transmitting REGARDLESS of what a cluster or RBN spot says. Some of our less experienced brethern haven't figured that out yet. And some of them never will. 73 On 10/25/11, Crownhavencrownha...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Jim.best explanation so far. I wondered why the split info wasn't posted but I guess it is skimmer? Don't know much about it. Steve, N4JQQ Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net mailto:crownha...@bellsouth.net wrote: Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think of any other explanation. Up isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just not know how to use their radios?? I contend that it's the packet spots (just DX call and frequency) and nothing else. People blindly go to them and if they hear the DX, just start calling. W3LPL spots compound this problem because they *never* mention split operation. Here's an albeit pathological case from TX7M today - only 2/5 spots mention split frequency operation: SP7CXV 18077.8 TX7M lsn up-3 1607 25 Oct LX1DA 18077.7 TX7M QRM by F-Nino F6AML 1603 25 Oct IK6JOT 18077.0 TX7M QRMER VIGLIACCHI 1602 25 Oct SV2BOH 18077.7 TX7M over than qrm tks 1558 25 Oct OM3SX-@ 18077.7 TX7M up1 1551 25 Oct Also, many DX stations working a pileup rarely sign their call or mention UP between QSOs. TX7M was different in this regard, I heard one op send TU UP after each QSO. People forget they have VFOs. If they just tuned up the band a *little* before starting to call, they'd hear the pileup! 73 - Jim AD1C --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org mailto:imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org http://njdxa.org/ --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Up
I never said you did.. Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: I'm not blaming the technology. In fact, I never said that at all! Just the misuse of it. -Original Message- From: Crownhaven [mailto:crownha...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 4:27 PM To: wn3...@verizon.net Cc: jjreis...@alum.mit.edu; dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Up We can't blame skimmer for these problems. It might exacerbate them but the individual operator is at fault. Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: The automated posts from several stations, such as W3LPL, are using their Skimmer setups to automatically post spots to the RBN and the Cluster based on CQ calls received. I believe the software in use is designed to pick up the call, but not neccesarily other information. Which proves that the astute amateur will LISTEN first BEFORE transmitting REGARDLESS of what a cluster or RBN spot says. Some of our less experienced brethern haven't figured that out yet. And some of them never will. 73 On 10/25/11, Crownhavencrownha...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hi Jim.best explanation so far. I wondered why the split info wasn't posted but I guess it is skimmer? Don't know much about it. Steve, N4JQQ Jim Reisert AD1C wrote: On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 9:25 AM, Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net mailto:crownha...@bellsouth.net wrote: Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think of any other explanation. Up isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just not know how to use their radios?? I contend that it's the packet spots (just DX call and frequency) and nothing else. People blindly go to them and if they hear the DX, just start calling. W3LPL spots compound this problem because they *never* mention split operation. Here's an albeit pathological case from TX7M today - only 2/5 spots mention split frequency operation: SP7CXV 18077.8 TX7M lsn up-3 1607 25 Oct LX1DA 18077.7 TX7M QRM by F-Nino F6AML 1603 25 Oct IK6JOT 18077.0 TX7M QRMER VIGLIACCHI 1602 25 Oct SV2BOH 18077.7 TX7M over than qrm tks 1558 25 Oct OM3SX-@ 18077.7 TX7M up1 1551 25 Oct Also, many DX stations working a pileup rarely sign their call or mention UP between QSOs. TX7M was different in this regard, I heard one op send TU UP after each QSO. People forget they have VFOs. If they just tuned up the band a *little* before starting to call, they'd hear the pileup! 73 - Jim AD1C --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org mailto:imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org http://njdxa.org/ --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Up
I think it's a combination of some not knowing what there are doing and others forgetting what they are doing. But, every day I continue to be totally amazed, pleased optimistic about the future of CW as I hear the huge number of high quality CW ops in the pileups and contests! They are not using CW programs. Bill W5EC Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think of any other explanation. Up isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just not know how to use their radios?? --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] Up
Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think of any other explanation. Up isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just not know how to use their radios?? Steve, N4JQQ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Up
Logic dictates that the former rather than the latter is the case. I think we've all forgotten a time or two to engage the second VFO for split operation, but the light bulb usually goes on in just a few minutes or less. The current trend of calling on top of the DX seems to indicate there are more PC programs doing the work than engaged minds. The operative question is how to educate them. Whatever that answer might be, it will also involve changing their attitudes. From: Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net To: DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:25 AM Subject: [DX-CHAT] Up Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think of any other explanation. Up isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just not know how to use their radios?? Steve, N4JQQ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Up
There was an article in the latest QST that spoke to this. I hope everyone read it. Steve, N4JQQ John Carobine - WB8RFB wrote: Logic dictates that the former rather than the latter is the case. I think we've all forgotten a time or two to engage the second VFO for split operation, but the light bulb usually goes on in just a few minutes or less. The current trend of calling on top of the DX seems to indicate there are more PC programs doing the work than engaged minds. The operative question is how to educate them. Whatever that answer might be, it will also involve changing their attitudes. *From:* Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net *To:* DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:25 AM *Subject:* [DX-CHAT] Up Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think of any other explanation. Up isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just not know how to use their radios?? Steve, N4JQQ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org mailto:imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Up
Hi all, Unfortunately I don't have the QST here to read the article. A lot of chances to work a DX or DX-pedition are ruined by hams that don't listen before they TX. It's happening in CW and all the other modes. I call those operators Crocodiles: Big mouth and very little ears! Every ham should first be a SWL for a couple of years and learn how to use their setup before going on air! 73, Elmar PD3EM On 23-10-2011 22:50, Crownhaven wrote: There was an article in the latest QST that spoke to this. I hope everyone read it. Steve, N4JQQ John Carobine - WB8RFB wrote: Logic dictates that the former rather than the latter is the case. I think we've all forgotten a time or two to engage the second VFO for split operation, but the light bulb usually goes on in just a few minutes or less. The current trend of calling on top of the DX seems to indicate there are more PC programs doing the work than engaged minds. The operative question is how to educate them. Whatever that answer might be, it will also involve changing their attitudes. *From:* Crownhaven crownha...@bellsouth.net *To:* DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org *Sent:* Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:25 AM *Subject:* [DX-CHAT] Up Do we think there are just an entire generation of DXers out there who are using CW programs and can't actually copy CW??? I can't think of any other explanation. Up isn't hard to figure out. Or do they just not know how to use their radios?? Steve, N4JQQ --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Up
At 14:17 10/23/2011, Elmar PD3EM wrote: A lot of chances to work a DX or DX-pedition are ruined by hams that don't listen before they TX. Here's a mail I sent to my local club and NCDXC a few days after Pacificon: The reminder to LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN that I was given at Pacificon worked great for me this AM. T32C was on 40m SSB and had a pretty good pileup. 40m does not work well for me, I think it is a feed-line issue because my screwdriver tunes beautifully on all bands but 40m. Anyway, hearing the pileup made me think my best strategy was to listen, and I started to hear him complaining about his QSOs getting QRMed by other deserving calling and calling. Then he said, Give me a second, I am going to check around. He had been working simplex and I took this as a clue he was planning to start working split. So I set my radio to split and VFO A to his old frequency, and the mouse cross hairs (I run a flex3K) to VFO B. When he came back he said I am going to start working split, QSX 7180 and in 2-3 seconds I clicked on 7180 and hit the foot pedal, he came back as I was the only one that fast and I got him first call (can't use my amp on 40m, the SWR is too high). It was a delight and a triumph for LISTENING. Thank you all. -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE Programming since 1959 All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html - --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Up
It's astonishing (to me at least) that so few callers in pileups actually try to listen to the pileup and figure where the DX is listening. I thought the trick was as old as the hills: DX in the left ear, pileup in the right ear with a slightly wider filter, apply Human Ear Mk 1 to find where he's listening or at least learn to follow his pattern before giving a well-placed call. It's not hard, is it? We've all hit the wrong VFO button or forgot to hit split, but it amazes me how few people approach the task with intelligence. I'm not complaining: here in northern Europe we're always about 20-30dB below the spaghetti QRM machines, so long may they adopt the scattergun approach - it means that there's a chance for the rest of us Dave G0OIL - Original Message - From: Dave Gomberg da...@wcf.com To: DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 11:02 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Up At 14:17 10/23/2011, Elmar PD3EM wrote: A lot of chances to work a DX or DX-pedition are ruined by hams that don't listen before they TX. Here's a mail I sent to my local club and NCDXC a few days after Pacificon: The reminder to LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN that I was given at Pacificon worked great for me this AM. T32C was on 40m SSB and had a pretty good pileup. 40m does not work well for me, I think it is a feed-line issue because my screwdriver tunes beautifully on all bands but 40m. Anyway, hearing the pileup made me think my best strategy was to listen, and I started to hear him complaining about his QSOs getting QRMed by other deserving calling and calling. Then he said, Give me a second, I am going to check around. He had been working simplex and I took this as a clue he was planning to start working split. So I set my radio to split and VFO A to his old frequency, and the mouse cross hairs (I run a flex3K) to VFO B. When he came back he said I am going to start working split, QSX 7180 and in 2-3 seconds I clicked on 7180 and hit the foot pedal, he came back as I was the only one that fast and I got him first call (can't use my amp on 40m, the SWR is too high). It was a delight and a triumph for LISTENING. Thank you all. -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE Programming since 1959 All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html - --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] Up
S! All this helpful information will take it harder for the deserving who have already figured it out. Don K1vsk - Original Message - From: Dave Gomberg da...@wcf.com To: DX Chat dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2011 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] Up At 14:17 10/23/2011, Elmar PD3EM wrote: A lot of chances to work a DX or DX-pedition are ruined by hams that don't listen before they TX. Here's a mail I sent to my local club and NCDXC a few days after Pacificon: The reminder to LISTEN, LISTEN, LISTEN that I was given at Pacificon worked great for me this AM. T32C was on 40m SSB and had a pretty good pileup. 40m does not work well for me, I think it is a feed-line issue because my screwdriver tunes beautifully on all bands but 40m. Anyway, hearing the pileup made me think my best strategy was to listen, and I started to hear him complaining about his QSOs getting QRMed by other deserving calling and calling. Then he said, Give me a second, I am going to check around. He had been working simplex and I took this as a clue he was planning to start working split. So I set my radio to split and VFO A to his old frequency, and the mouse cross hairs (I run a flex3K) to VFO B. When he came back he said I am going to start working split, QSX 7180 and in 2-3 seconds I clicked on 7180 and hit the foot pedal, he came back as I was the only one that fast and I got him first call (can't use my amp on 40m, the SWR is too high). It was a delight and a triumph for LISTENING. Thank you all. -- Dave Gomberg, San Francisco NE5EE Programming since 1959 All addresses, phones, etc. at http://www.wcf.com/ham/info.html - --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
RE: [DX-CHAT] Up
-Original Message- It's astonishing (to me at least) that so few callers in pileups actually try to listen to the pileup and figure where the DX is listening. I thought the trick was as old as the hills: DX in the left ear, pileup in the right ear with a slightly wider filter, apply Human Ear Mk 1 to find where he's listening or at least learn to follow his pattern before giving a well-placed call. It's not hard, is it? [pjd] That only really works if you have a dual-watch receiver, though. I don't think you can do that easily in something like a TS-2000 or TS-570, etc. And correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you can do it on many of the Icoms (746-series, 756-series) either. It becomes an order of magnitude harder to play with the RIT/XIT in cases like that, and also makes it easier to forget your TX settings. But I believe the bottom line is simply idiots clicking cluster spots on their logging software and screaming into the mic as soon as the DX says QRZ. So fevered are they for a New One that they don't pay attention to instructions. It also probably doesn't help that most of them know so little English that anything other than the phonetics of their callsign and five nine may as well be in Swahili. I can tell you, when I run Europe for general DXing (not for contests), I work an awful lot of Italians and stations from Spain that have a terrible time with English. Couple this ClickyDX Syndrome with raw, green operators who've never really learned much about DXing and were never properly taught the intricacies of split operation and you have the mess you do. --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] UP machine
I haven't worked many Asian stations recently. Yep. I was lucky to get the last VU7 and BS7 operations when there was a little sunspot activity (not much). I couldn't get the BS7. I heard them for a grand total of 1/2 hour on SSB and I'm only 100W a 20m Moxon (which I actually built to work them ;-) ). I called anyway but no joy. VU7 was another story. I snagged VU7RG on day 1 on 40m CW right before sunset. Turns out propagation between here and VU7 is really fantastic. They were very loud. I got a 17m QSO a few days later. But VU4 is a much more polar path from here and I couldn't hear them at all even though I heard the more recent VU7 a little. Totally different world. But I only worked a couple JA's in CQWW CW. And they were tough to work. Yeah. I heard a DU on 40CW longpath the other day but couldn't make it through. Not much hope for, say, that V8 or XX9 that I still need or whatever. The upcoming KP5 operation should be an easy one hopefully, for those of us in the USA. Should be a good one for a lot of folks. I have a N3KS/KP5 card sitting here from a really lucky break when I was living in an apartment ;-) There's a good chance that KP5 will be my #99 or #100 on topband though but that's going to be CRAZY. Dan --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] UP machine
Danhuman nature ensures that there will be cheaters in any endeavor; amateur radio is not an exception. I know... it's just a particularly silly context for cheating. If you take a dive in boxing at least you get some money. If you cheat at Harvard at least you get a diploma that helps you get a job later. If you cheat at ham radio? But some people just can't help themselves. I can only tell you from personal experience when you get over 300 countries the new ones come quite slowly. I am happy with one or two new ones a year these days. Me too. TX5C was my #300 and nothing since. Much of what I need is on tough polar paths that I never seem to find open. Nothing even heard. But I've been hunting 160m DXCC (OH0X couple nights ago was my #98 worked) and knocking down band countries, so I'm still having fun. Kind of hoping to work one more 160m country to get to #99 and then work TN5SN for #100 on Topband and #301 all time but I doubt that's going to happen .. you never know though ;-) 73 Dan --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] UP machine
Where do you get one of those UP machines that seems to be needed to work E44M? Do you get it on e-bay? Does that machine works on other than the DX station's frequency? 73 HPNY LouKE1F --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] UP machine
Where do you get one of those UP machines that seems to be needed to work E44M? Do you get it on e-bay? No, it comes free when both LIDS and DX COPS forget that ham radio is supposed to be fun and no one in the real world actually gives a damn if you're on the Honor Roll or have 5BDXCC. Does that machine works on other than the DX station's frequency? No, of course not ;-) 73 Dan --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] UP machine
I have UP programmed in one of my keyer memories. However, it starts with W2. Barry W2UP lmecseri -KE1F wrote: Where do you get one of those UP machines that seems to be needed to work E44M? Do you get it on e-bay? Does that machine works on other than the DX station's frequency? 73 HPNY LouKE1F --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.2/1876 - Release Date: 1/5/2009 9:44 AM -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
Re: [DX-CHAT] UP machine
Amen Dan!!! Nobody cares except the guys who achieved HR and 5BDXCC.Personal satisfaction is their only reward and should be enough. 73 Happy New Year to all. Russ W4UBC - Original Message - From: Dan Zimmerman N3OX To: dx-chat@njdxa.org Sent: Monday, January 05, 2009 7:26 PM Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] UP machine Where do you get one of those UP machines that seems to be needed to work E44M? Do you get it on e-bay? No, it comes free when both LIDS and DX COPS forget that ham radio is supposed to be fun and no one in the real world actually gives a damn if you're on the Honor Roll or have 5BDXCC. Does that machine works on other than the DX station's frequency? No, of course not ;-) 73 Dan --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org --- --- To unsubscribe or subscribe to this list. Please send a message to imail...@njdxa.org In the message body put either unsubscribe dx-chat or subscribe dx-chat This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org ---
[DX-CHAT] UP
Ron, They were all just trying to help me with my QSO! 73, Barry W2UP Ron Notarius W3WN wrote: There were spots for E4/OM2DX on 80 and 40 earlier this evening. I THOUGHT I heard them, barely, on 80, but of course, the Russian Frequency Cops -- the ones with the 2 letter call UP -- were jamming the frequency. We've got a week, hopefully. Plenty of time. -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *Stuart Santelmann KC1F *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2007 7:17 PM *To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org *Subject:* Re: [DX-CHAT] 'tis the season *Dad Charles made us fight again like he does every year at this time He'll get coal in his stocking !!* ** *Just to make this DX related, when are the E4s due on ?* ** *StuKC1F* - Original Message - *From:* Dave G4GED mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* dx-chat@njdxa.org mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2007 6:54 PM *Subject:* Fw: [DX-CHAT] 'tis the season And with that very offensive response, shared - I rest my case! - Original Message - *From:* Charles Harpole mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Dave G4GED mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2007 11:11 PM *Subject:* RE: [DX-CHAT] 'tis the season Hey, thanks for showing that a Brit, too, can have arrogance and cultural insensitivity ... 73 Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]; dx-chat@njdxa.org mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org Subject: Re: [DX-CHAT] 'tis the season Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2007 22:50:02 + HAPPY CHRISTMAS TO ALL !! AND HAPPY 4TH JULY AS WELL :-)) Original Message - *From:* Charles Harpole mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* dx-chat@njdxa.org mailto:dx-chat@njdxa.org *Sent:* Friday, December 14, 2007 10:19 PM *Subject:* [DX-CHAT] 'tis the season To Western hams, mostly Please remember it is most polite to offer a seasons greetings or happy holidays to those not of the Christian faiths (instead of Merry Christmas for example). Receivers of the mis-directed merry christmases--most will forgive the senders' misplaced earnestness but the implied arrogance and cultural insensitivity still remains to taint in a small way an otherwise happy season. Thanks for your understanding of individual differences. And, no happy fourth of July to a Brit, pse. 73, Charles Harpole [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.17.2/1184 - Release Date: 12/14/2007 11:29 AM -- Barry Kutner, W2UP Newtown, PA Subscribe/unsubscribe, feedback, FAQ, problems http://njdxa.org/dx-chat To post a message, DX related items only, dx-chat@njdxa.org This is the DX-CHAT reflector sponsored by the NJDXA http://njdxa.org
