Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN
Art, your an amazing fellow also. You would change that pic which has been on your website for 20 years and because of me you took it off! Are you thinned skin or what? I don't care to check out your new one. Like you I paid my $89 for DX4WIN and another $50 bucks for two additional versions over the years. You like your program and I like mine. You are happy with your present setup and I like to see some things improved to which I am willing to pay another $25 for another revision. That is your choice not to do that. So what's the problem? Guys like you, Zoran, Bob come out of the woodwork whenever persons like myself suggest some improvements and then demand what improvements we had in mind so you can then pick it to pieces and ridicule. We know your game. You guys are the Reflector Terrorists!! LOL. Look Art. I want to see continued improvements and want DX4WIN to continue to develop. But you and Bob need to spend some time at the local Senior Citizens Center and play some cards with these folks and work a day or two dispensing out food for the homeless rather than asking N4DSP for a Santy Claus Christmas Wish List for DX4WIN. On 1/5/2014 4:27 AM, Art - W6KY wrote: John, You are one amazing fellow. You are the first one in 20 years that has had a negative comment about the pic on QRZ, What is offensive about it? I did change it tho. I await your approval... Also,my eMail to you below. Where are the 'snarky' comments. I simply asked you to list what you would like to see added/changed on DX4WIN. I suggest you switch to DXLab and enjoy it's benefits while the rest of us use this outdated,cumbersome,difficult and as you stated 'confusing to you' program... 73, Art W6KY www.w6ky.com . I refuse to get in a battle of wits with someone who is only half prepared. Thomas Jefferson *From:* n4dsp n4...@triad.rr.com *To:* Art - W6KY w...@yahoo.com; dx4win@mailman.qth.net dx4win@mailman.qth.net *Sent:* Saturday, January 4, 2014 11:34 PM *Subject:* Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN Art, the pic on qrz.com/w6ky http://qrz.com/w6ky is pretty offensive. You should change that. On 1/5/2014 12:11 AM, Art - W6KY wrote: John, Zoran asked you a simple question of what you would like to see implemented in DX4WIN. You started this thread but haven't offered a single suggestion of improvements to DX4WIN. Let's have the list so maybe Paul can implement some of them if they are noteworthy.. QRX 73, Art W6KY www.w6ky.com http://www.w6ky.com/ . Gleðileg jól og farsælt komandi ár from Iceland *From:* n4dsp n4...@triad.rr.com mailto:n4...@triad.rr.com *To:* dx4win@mailman.qth.net mailto:dx4win@mailman.qth.net *Sent:* Saturday, January 4, 2014 6:57 PM *Subject:* Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN Zoran, You ask me to to give you and other's on this reflector some idea on what exactly is it that I am looking for. Let's start with you Zoran. What would you like to see and for what purpose? Or are you on the dx4win design team which implements these idea's into reality? Your concrete idea's on this matter instead of flaming would be nice. john On 1/4/2014 9:23 PM, WA7AA wrote: On 04.01.2014 11:46, n4dsp wrote: Why is it and it's not just with this reflector when post's come out like mine expressing dissatisfaction with DX4WIN and expecting and willing to pay for revisions, the DX4WIN Addicts come out stating exactly what Erkki stated? I don't want to get into the flame war here, but maybe you can give us some idea on what exactly is it that you are looking for as far as DX4Win changing and being on the move? Some concrete examples would be nice instead of flaming, since I am sure every one if us has a list of wanted features or such. I took a brief look of the DXLab and frankly, I don't see what is so revolutionary about it, aside from a few features that may be interesting to have, but are nowhere near making it the pinnacle of a logger you make it out to be. To draw a parallel to your Win 3.5 metaphor, I don't need a change that will take me from WinXP to Win 8. 73, Zoran WA7AA __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net
[Dx4win] Updates
Potential Updates: I agree with all Kostas said below. Especially decoders for more digital modes or the ability to integrate them. A CW decoder would be quite helpful, I have external one but it is just one more thing to remember to open and close. I would also like to have much more control over the cluster info. In fact be able to set it up by band. For example, on 160 and 80 I would like to see worldwide spots but on the other bands not so much. Also, when working 160 I would like to limit my view to just 160 spots and same with some other bands. I would also like to see any time someone spots me on any band as this is often a message and a spot (VE7CC does most of this but is not connected to my Log). Omnirig support is potentially a deal breaker all by its self if it becomes the defector SDR/Transceiver/Pan-Adaptor interface. HNY and 73, Bill, K5ZQ Thanks, William Osborne mailto:wosborn...@gmail.com wosborn...@gmail.com 207-205-9565 ===SV1DPI Comments= HNY to all, Come on guys. All we love dx4win but it needs to be updated. If you use rtty for example, you really need a better decoder as 2tone is. A cw decoder maybe? New features have been asked many times and there are big lists in archive. Even I personally need support for 2 rotors for example, maybe it is not so important as others... For example: 1. support for omnirig. This makes easier parallel control of an sdr receiver and your rig. 2. As the subject of the email says: Better support with lotw, as one button upload, one button download, selective dxcc submission with lotw qsos, or cards or both, compare with online credits, etc. 3. Support of new modes. Some guys of us, use new digi modes that are not supported. A new editable database with modes is the best option. Also RST must accept new reports. 4. Support of ocx. This makes mmtty support easier and let us to use other digi programs as well as mmvari and 2tone for example. 5. Logger32 (its author is SK some years ago but it is updated regularly!!!) already supports connection of its database for countries with clublog. This makes ad1c's life much more easier and we can have one general acceptable database. and much more that Paul has read and I hope has noted. The bad thing for me (worst than not updating) is that Paul, the author of the program, does not say to us his thoughts for all these. I would like to hear his opinion, even it is something like dx4win is my last priority and I don't think I will update it the next 30 years(I hope not saying it)... 73 Kostas, SV1DPI __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates
To: Ernie w8eh.er...@gmail.com Ernie and Group, I run HDSDR and DX4WIN all the time...simply use LPB2, a free software offered by Larry N8LPYou can have HDSDR, DX4WIN, N1MM and anything else you want to linked to your rigit works great... The rest of your post can be added to our joint 'wish list'Hi Hi...along with updated rig files or movement to OmniRig...along with an update Submission Sheet showing LOTW, Hard QSL or EQSL (EQSL yuck!, sorry, editorial comment!) Even the Report Generator is missing simple drop down indicators under Report/ Action, Modes and Bands, showing different selections. This was reported and not acted upon by Paul many versions ago...multiple rotor controls...two (or more) telnet sessions...WWV numbers on the Map Screen or on top of the QSO windows...simple integration of digital programs, MMTTY/2Tone, better PSK31 integration... DX4WIN is a remarkably simple, stable but outdated piece of software. Paul did a great job with it many years ago but alas, now it just flounders in limbo with little support or enhancement from him. If it wasn't for Jim AD1C's tremendous support, I would have moved off this archaic platform a long time ago. There is little or no reason why AD1C's enhancements were not embraced, supported and incorporated by Paul. We, dear fellow DX4WIN users, are 'caught' in an trap...move off to another and abandon what we have learned ...or stick with DX4WIN and hope someone will get this platform back on the track. Flaming each other does little or nothing to enhance or move this topic forward. 73/ Regards Lou N2TU On 1/5/2014 10:24 AM, Ernie wrote: Important to me: 1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my rig at the same time. 2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself 3. Easy way to add mode names myself Ernie W8EH __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Updates
I think that some of the postings with the subject Updates should really be posted with the subject Additional features I wish were present. DX4Win started as a logging program as I recall. Operating was up to the person who had the amateur license; logging the QSO'S that resulted from the operating was the job of the program. Over time the intellectual property owner has chosen to add features and present new Versions for sale. Some of the added features happen to relate to operating things rather than logging of QSO's. As purchasers and users all we can properly expect is that the features declared to be in the Version we purchased work as they are defined to work for the equipment environment for which they are declared to be functional. That implies that new radios , new rotators or new COM to USB devices are not explicitly supported. If the IP owner chooses to modify the Version to expand the supported equipment environment, great. The same thing is true for logging/operating features. If the IP owner chooses to add them, fine. It seems a bit unreasonable to use the product user reflector to 'bad mouth' the IP owner. Of course there is nothing wrong with making suggestions that the product planner can consider when ( and if ) a new product or new version is being planned. Commenting on what you wish was present or even identifying an alternate product that has a feature you 'wish' was present seems reasonable. Building a list of features that users wish were present seems reasonable too; particularly if maintenance of such a listing is not expected to be the job of the IP owner. It would be even nicer if someone had that list on a web site so it could be referenced by people. That might reduce duplicate postings about certain not present yet features. One of 'The Laws of Life is: Nothing is impossible as long as you are not the one who has to do the work. Tod, K0TO Sent from my iPhone 5 On Jan 5, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Ernie w8eh.er...@gmail.com wrote: Important to me: 1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my rig at the same time. 2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself 3. Easy way to add mode names myself Ernie W8EH __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Updates
Paul should put a link on the DX4WIN website for owner's to contribute their idea's to the Wish List. I sent an email to Paul 2-3 weeks ago with a suggestion and did not receive a response so I resorted to the DX4WIN Reflector to BE HEARD. Requesting some attention from the owner's of DX4WIN, the people who support the Owner, asking for continuing improvements is not bad mouthing just to clarify. On 1/5/2014 12:26 PM, Tod wrote: I think that some of the postings with the subject Updates should really be posted with the subject Additional features I wish were present. DX4Win started as a logging program as I recall. Operating was up to the person who had the amateur license; logging the QSO'S that resulted from the operating was the job of the program. Over time the intellectual property owner has chosen to add features and present new Versions for sale. Some of the added features happen to relate to operating things rather than logging of QSO's. As purchasers and users all we can properly expect is that the features declared to be in the Version we purchased work as they are defined to work for the equipment environment for which they are declared to be functional. That implies that new radios , new rotators or new COM to USB devices are not explicitly supported. If the IP owner chooses to modify the Version to expand the supported equipment environment, great. The same thing is true for logging/operating features. If the IP owner chooses to add them, fine. It seems a bit unreasonable to use the product user reflector to 'bad mouth' the IP owner. Of course there is nothing wrong with making suggestions that the product planner can consider when ( and if ) a new product or new version is being planned. Commenting on what you wish was present or even identifying an alternate product that has a feature you 'wish' was present seems reasonable. Building a list of features that users wish were present seems reasonable too; particularly if maintenance of such a listing is not expected to be the job of the IP owner. It would be even nicer if someone had that list on a web site so it could be referenced by people. That might reduce duplicate postings about certain not present yet features. One of 'The Laws of Life is: Nothing is impossible as long as you are not the one who has to do the work. Tod, K0TO Sent from my iPhone 5 On Jan 5, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Ernie w8eh.er...@gmail.com wrote: Important to me: 1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my rig at the same time. 2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself 3. Easy way to add mode names myself Ernie W8EH __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Dx4win] com bridges
The bad thing with every com bridge as LPB2 (and many others) is that create virtual ports to make it possible. Unfortunately I use a Microham product (mk2r+) and the support says that installing virtual coms is not a good practice. I have noticed that many virtual coms, slow the computer and ask for a new one with a lot of memory, etc. Instead of this, omnirig des the job without installin virtual coms. Beside this omnirig is open to create your own rigs and that means that someone would create a rig file tomorrow to support a new radio without the need of an update in dx4win... 73 Kostas SV1DPI Στις 5/1/2014 7:23 μμ, ο/η Lou Dietrich έγραψε: To: Ernie w8eh.er...@gmail.com Ernie and Group, I run HDSDR and DX4WIN all the time...simply use LPB2, a free software offered by Larry N8LPYou can have HDSDR, DX4WIN, N1MM and anything else you want to linked to your rigit works great... The rest of your post can be added to our joint 'wish list'Hi Hi...along with updated rig files or movement to OmniRig...along with an update Submission Sheet showing LOTW, Hard QSL or EQSL (EQSL yuck!, sorry, editorial comment!) Even the Report Generator is missing simple drop down indicators under Report/ Action, Modes and Bands, showing different selections. This was reported and not acted upon by Paul many versions ago...multiple rotor controls...two (or more) telnet sessions...WWV numbers on the Map Screen or on top of the QSO windows...simple integration of digital programs, MMTTY/2Tone, better PSK31 integration... DX4WIN is a remarkably simple, stable but outdated piece of software. Paul did a great job with it many years ago but alas, now it just flounders in limbo with little support or enhancement from him. If it wasn't for Jim AD1C's tremendous support, I would have moved off this archaic platform a long time ago. There is little or no reason why AD1C's enhancements were not embraced, supported and incorporated by Paul. We, dear fellow DX4WIN users, are 'caught' in an trap...move off to another and abandon what we have learned ...or stick with DX4WIN and hope someone will get this platform back on the track. Flaming each other does little or nothing to enhance or move this topic forward. 73/ Regards Lou N2TU On 1/5/2014 10:24 AM, Ernie wrote: Important to me: 1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my rig at the same time. 2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself 3. Easy way to add mode names myself Ernie W8EH __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Updates
All, Great...I think a wish list web page might be a good idea If the wish list is not acted upon by the developer, will it do any good?as some have posted, the author of this software has decided not to respond to emails and this groupand therefore the wish list web page may just route to the developer's trash bin...and for our own edification. Not to be overly critical here...but that seems to be the situation we are in with DX4WIN As users, we have bought this software, not only for what was initially developed, but for continuing support. In today's world, a logging program should do more than just loggingIf we only expected an initial release feature package without support, we would be using DX4WIN to control aged rigs and logging basic DXCC awards! Develop a web page...and have it ignoredwrite directly to the developer and have it ignored or move off to another platform and tell everyone within ear shot why we did it...those are our choices. Let's face facts here... Tod, nice adageNothing is impossible as long as you are not the one who has to do the work. Tod, this should be restatedNothing IS possible as long as you chose NOT to do the work.. That is the situation here...the author has chosen NOT to do the work... 73 Lou N2TU On 1/5/2014 12:44 PM, n4dsp wrote: Paul should put a link on the DX4WIN website for owner's to contribute their idea's to the Wish List. I sent an email to Paul 2-3 weeks ago with a suggestion and did not receive a response so I resorted to the DX4WIN Reflector to BE HEARD. Requesting some attention from the owner's of DX4WIN, the people who support the Owner, asking for continuing improvements is not bad mouthing just to clarify. On 1/5/2014 12:26 PM, Tod wrote: I think that some of the postings with the subject Updates should really be posted with the subject Additional features I wish were present. DX4Win started as a logging program as I recall. Operating was up to the person who had the amateur license; logging the QSO'S that resulted from the operating was the job of the program. Over time the intellectual property owner has chosen to add features and present new Versions for sale. Some of the added features happen to relate to operating things rather than logging of QSO's. As purchasers and users all we can properly expect is that the features declared to be in the Version we purchased work as they are defined to work for the equipment environment for which they are declared to be functional. That implies that new radios , new rotators or new COM to USB devices are not explicitly supported. If the IP owner chooses to modify the Version to expand the supported equipment environment, great. The same thing is true for logging/operating features. If the IP owner chooses to add them, fine. It seems a bit unreasonable to use the product user reflector to 'bad mouth' the IP owner. Of course there is nothing wrong with making suggestions that the product planner can consider when ( and if ) a new product or new version is being planned. Commenting on what you wish was present or even identifying an alternate product that has a feature you 'wish' was present seems reasonable. Building a list of features that users wish were present seems reasonable too; particularly if maintenance of such a listing is not expected to be the job of the IP owner. It would be even nicer if someone had that list on a web site so it could be referenced by people. That might reduce duplicate postings about certain not present yet features. One of 'The Laws of Life is: Nothing is impossible as long as you are not the one who has to do the work. Tod, K0TO Sent from my iPhone 5 On Jan 5, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Ernie w8eh.er...@gmail.com wrote: Important to me: 1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my rig at the same time. 2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself 3. Easy way to add mode names myself Ernie W8EH __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list:
Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN
John, You appear to have issues. I will not be drawn into a jousting match with someone making cheap shots - grow up. BTW, when was the last time you won a Contest and/or had your pic in QST? N4DSP - Shea, John E 7170 Johns Pointe Court Liberty, NC 27298 73 Happy New Year to You and Your Family, Bob K8BL From: n4dsp n4...@triad.rr.com To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 2:33 AM Subject: Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN Bob, So you think it's a great fabulous program. Then continue using it. There are other's who want to see some changes. They should not be subjected from people like you and Art crawling out of your comfort zones making snarky comments as you did. By the way that pic on your qrz.com/K8BL is pretty scary. You should put another one in it's place. On 1/5/2014 12:23 AM, R.T.Liddy wrote: Constructive criticism is good, snarky comments are not helpful. A wish list of new features and/or improvements would be much better than empty complaints. The support provided by Jim AD1C has been beyond excellent. I have had no problem whatsoever with getting thousands of QSOs into LoTW and eQSL - export them to a file, convert it in TQSL and send it to LoTW. It's a piece of cake. Sure, there are a few kinks in DX4WIN, but nothing I can't live with. Overall, I think it's a fabulous program. GL/73/HNY Bob K8BL From: n4dsp n4...@triad.rr.com To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2014 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN Zoran, You ask me to to give you and other's on this reflector some idea on what exactly is it that I am looking for. Let's start with you Zoran. What would you like to see and for what purpose? Or are you on the dx4win design team which implements these idea's into reality? Your concrete idea's on this matter instead of flaming would be nice. john On 1/4/2014 9:23 PM, WA7AA wrote: On 04.01.2014 11:46, n4dsp wrote: Why is it and it's not just with this reflector when post's come out like mine expressing dissatisfaction with DX4WIN and expecting and willing to pay for revisions, the DX4WIN Addicts come out stating exactly what Erkki stated? I don't want to get into the flame war here, but maybe you can give us some idea on what exactly is it that you are looking for as far as DX4Win changing and being on the move? Some concrete examples would be nice instead of flaming, since I am sure every one if us has a list of wanted features or such. I took a brief look of the DXLab and frankly, I don't see what is so revolutionary about it, aside from a few features that may be interesting to have, but are nowhere near making it the pinnacle of a logger you make it out to be. To draw a parallel to your Win 3.5 metaphor, I don't need a change that will take me from WinXP to Win 8. 73, Zoran WA7AA __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Updates
Well said, Lou. I am another early adopter of DX4WIN, from back in the early days of Windows (3.1?) I started with DXLOG (for DOS) and after a number of empty promises of a Win version from its developer (who lived 5 miles from me at the time), I switched to DX4WIN. There are things DX4WIN could do better and more efficiently. The only reason I'm still with it is I don't actively chase awards or (paper) QSLs any more. If I did, I would have jumped ship a number of years ago. And if it weren't for AD1C's generous support, I don't believe there would be many users left today. Barry W2UP On 1/5/2014 11:45, Lou Dietrich wrote: All, Great...I think a wish list web page might be a good idea If the wish list is not acted upon by the developer, will it do any good?as some have posted, the author of this software has decided not to respond to emails and this groupand therefore the wish list web page may just route to the developer's trash bin...and for our own edification. Not to be overly critical here...but that seems to be the situation we are in with DX4WIN As users, we have bought this software, not only for what was initially developed, but for continuing support. In today's world, a logging program should do more than just loggingIf we only expected an initial release feature package without support, we would be using DX4WIN to control aged rigs and logging basic DXCC awards! Develop a web page...and have it ignoredwrite directly to the developer and have it ignored or move off to another platform and tell everyone within ear shot why we did it...those are our choices. Let's face facts here... Tod, nice adageNothing is impossible as long as you are not the one who has to do the work. Tod, this should be restatedNothing IS possible as long as you chose NOT to do the work.. That is the situation here...the author has chosen NOT to do the work... 73 Lou N2TU On 1/5/2014 12:44 PM, n4dsp wrote: Paul should put a link on the DX4WIN website for owner's to contribute their idea's to the Wish List. I sent an email to Paul 2-3 weeks ago with a suggestion and did not receive a response so I resorted to the DX4WIN Reflector to BE HEARD. Requesting some attention from the owner's of DX4WIN, the people who support the Owner, asking for continuing improvements is not bad mouthing just to clarify. On 1/5/2014 12:26 PM, Tod wrote: I think that some of the postings with the subject Updates should really be posted with the subject Additional features I wish were present. DX4Win started as a logging program as I recall. Operating was up to the person who had the amateur license; logging the QSO'S that resulted from the operating was the job of the program. Over time the intellectual property owner has chosen to add features and present new Versions for sale. Some of the added features happen to relate to operating things rather than logging of QSO's. As purchasers and users all we can properly expect is that the features declared to be in the Version we purchased work as they are defined to work for the equipment environment for which they are declared to be functional. That implies that new radios , new rotators or new COM to USB devices are not explicitly supported. If the IP owner chooses to modify the Version to expand the supported equipment environment, great. The same thing is true for logging/operating features. If the IP owner chooses to add them, fine. It seems a bit unreasonable to use the product user reflector to 'bad mouth' the IP owner. Of course there is nothing wrong with making suggestions that the product planner can consider when ( and if ) a new product or new version is being planned. Commenting on what you wish was present or even identifying an alternate product that has a feature you 'wish' was present seems reasonable. Building a list of features that users wish were present seems reasonable too; particularly if maintenance of such a listing is not expected to be the job of the IP owner. It would be even nicer if someone had that list on a web site so it could be referenced by people. That might reduce duplicate postings about certain not present yet features. One of 'The Laws of Life is: Nothing is impossible as long as you are not the one who has to do the work. Tod, K0TO Sent from my iPhone 5 On Jan 5, 2014, at 8:24 AM, Ernie w8eh.er...@gmail.com wrote: Important to me: 1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my rig at the same time. 2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself 3. Easy way to add mode names myself Ernie W8EH __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email
Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN
Art, This gentleman appears to have issues. It's best that he be ignored. 73/HNY, Bob K8BL From: n4dsp n4...@triad.rr.com To: Art - W6KY w...@yahoo.com; dx4win@mailman.qth.net dx4win@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 2:34 AM Subject: Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN Art, the pic on qrz.com/w6ky is pretty offensive. You should change that. On 1/5/2014 12:11 AM, Art - W6KY wrote: John, Zoran asked you a simple question of what you would like to see implemented in DX4WIN. You started this thread but haven't offered a single suggestion of improvements to DX4WIN. Let's have the list so maybe Paul can implement some of them if they are noteworthy.. QRX 73, Art W6KY www.w6ky.com . Gleðileg jól og farsælt komandi ár from Iceland *From:* n4dsp n4...@triad.rr.com *To:* dx4win@mailman.qth.net *Sent:* Saturday, January 4, 2014 6:57 PM *Subject:* Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN Zoran, You ask me to to give you and other's on this reflector some idea on what exactly is it that I am looking for. Let's start with you Zoran. What would you like to see and for what purpose? Or are you on the dx4win design team which implements these idea's into reality? Your concrete idea's on this matter instead of flaming would be nice. john On 1/4/2014 9:23 PM, WA7AA wrote: On 04.01.2014 11:46, n4dsp wrote: Why is it and it's not just with this reflector when post's come out like mine expressing dissatisfaction with DX4WIN and expecting and willing to pay for revisions, the DX4WIN Addicts come out stating exactly what Erkki stated? I don't want to get into the flame war here, but maybe you can give us some idea on what exactly is it that you are looking for as far as DX4Win changing and being on the move? Some concrete examples would be nice instead of flaming, since I am sure every one if us has a list of wanted features or such. I took a brief look of the DXLab and frankly, I don't see what is so revolutionary about it, aside from a few features that may be interesting to have, but are nowhere near making it the pinnacle of a logger you make it out to be. To draw a parallel to your Win 3.5 metaphor, I don't need a change that will take me from WinXP to Win 8. 73, Zoran WA7AA __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN
Take a hike Bob. What does winning contests have to do with requesting a modern version for DX4WIN? You say Happy New Year to me and my family? Take a hike Bob. On 1/5/2014 1:57 PM, R.T.Liddy wrote: John, You appear to have issues. I will not be drawn into a jousting match with someone making cheap shots - grow up. BTW, when was the last time you won a Contest and/or had your pic in QST? N4DSP - Shea, John E 7170 Johns Pointe Court Liberty, NC 27298 73 Happy New Year to You and Your Family,Bob K8BL *From:* n4dsp n4...@triad.rr.com *To:* dx4win@mailman.qth.net *Sent:* Sunday, January 5, 2014 2:33 AM *Subject:* Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN Bob, So you think it's a great fabulous program. Then continue using it. There are other's who want to see some changes. They should not be subjected from people like you and Art crawling out of your comfort zones making snarky comments as you did. By the way that pic on your qrz.com/K8BL is pretty scary. You should put another one in it's place. On 1/5/2014 12:23 AM, R.T.Liddy wrote: Constructive criticism is good, snarky comments are not helpful. A wish list of new features and/or improvements would be much better than empty complaints. The support provided by Jim AD1C has been beyond excellent. I have had no problem whatsoever with getting thousands of QSOs into LoTW and eQSL - export them to a file, convert it in TQSL and send it to LoTW. It's a piece of cake. Sure, there are a few kinks in DX4WIN, but nothing I can't live with. Overall, I think it's a fabulous program. GL/73/HNYBob K8BL From: n4dsp n4...@triad.rr.com mailto:n4...@triad.rr.com To: dx4win@mailman.qth.net mailto:dx4win@mailman.qth.net Sent: Saturday, January 4, 2014 9:57 PM Subject: Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN Zoran, You ask me to to give you and other's on this reflector some idea on what exactly is it that I am looking for. Let's start with you Zoran. What would you like to see and for what purpose? Or are you on the dx4win design team which implements these idea's into reality? Your concrete idea's on this matter instead of flaming would be nice. john On 1/4/2014 9:23 PM, WA7AA wrote: On 04.01.2014 11:46, n4dsp wrote: Why is it and it's not just with this reflector when post's come out like mine expressing dissatisfaction with DX4WIN and expecting and willing to pay for revisions, the DX4WIN Addicts come out stating exactly what Erkki stated? I don't want to get into the flame war here, but maybe you can give us some idea on what exactly is it that you are looking for as far as DX4Win changing and being on the move? Some concrete examples would be nice instead of flaming, since I am sure every one if us has a list of wanted features or such. I took a brief look of the DXLab and frankly, I don't see what is so revolutionary about it, aside from a few features that may be interesting to have, but are nowhere near making it the pinnacle of a logger you make it out to be. To draw a parallel to your Win 3.5 metaphor, I don't need a change that will take me from WinXP to Win 8. 73, Zoran WA7AA __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this
Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN
LOL. Hey Bob, Can't we all just get along! LOL On 1/5/2014 1:59 PM, R.T.Liddy wrote: Art, This gentleman appears to have issues. It's best that he be ignored. 73/HNY,Bob K8BL *From:* n4dsp n4...@triad.rr.com *To:* Art - W6KY w...@yahoo.com; dx4win@mailman.qth.net dx4win@mailman.qth.net *Sent:* Sunday, January 5, 2014 2:34 AM *Subject:* Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN Art, the pic on qrz.com/w6ky is pretty offensive. You should change that. On 1/5/2014 12:11 AM, Art - W6KY wrote: John, Zoran asked you a simple question of what you would like to see implemented in DX4WIN. You started this thread but haven't offered a single suggestion of improvements to DX4WIN. Let's have the list so maybe Paul can implement some of them if they are noteworthy.. QRX 73, Art W6KY www.w6ky.com . Gleðileg jól og farsælt komandi ár from Iceland *From:* n4dsp n4...@triad.rr.com mailto:n4...@triad.rr.com *To:* dx4win@mailman.qth.net mailto:dx4win@mailman.qth.net *Sent:* Saturday, January 4, 2014 6:57 PM *Subject:* Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN Zoran, You ask me to to give you and other's on this reflector some idea on what exactly is it that I am looking for. Let's start with you Zoran. What would you like to see and for what purpose? Or are you on the dx4win design team which implements these idea's into reality? Your concrete idea's on this matter instead of flaming would be nice. john On 1/4/2014 9:23 PM, WA7AA wrote: On 04.01.2014 11:46, n4dsp wrote: Why is it and it's not just with this reflector when post's come out like mine expressing dissatisfaction with DX4WIN and expecting and willing to pay for revisions, the DX4WIN Addicts come out stating exactly what Erkki stated? I don't want to get into the flame war here, but maybe you can give us some idea on what exactly is it that you are looking for as far as DX4Win changing and being on the move? Some concrete examples would be nice instead of flaming, since I am sure every one if us has a list of wanted features or such. I took a brief look of the DXLab and frankly, I don't see what is so revolutionary about it, aside from a few features that may be interesting to have, but are nowhere near making it the pinnacle of a logger you make it out to be. To draw a parallel to your Win 3.5 metaphor, I don't need a change that will take me from WinXP to Win 8. 73, Zoran WA7AA __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net http://www.qsl.net/ http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net http://www.qsl.net/ Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN-THREAD ENDS
Art, Bob, and Zoran, what was originally an excellent post addressing the need to end the 4 year lapse in updates to the excellent but stagnated DX4WIN program has been thrown off course by you three. Another thread has appeared by Hams that are in favor and discussing in a civil manner the need for updates for DX4WIN. It's positive. You three appear to have issues so no further replies will be forthcoming. Bob you really should change-out that picture on qrz.com/k8bl. It doesn't do you justice. Now go win a contest Bob! __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
I have always considered myself as a loyal and satisfied user of DX4WIN! I have probably been responsible for 25 or more fellow DXers choosing DX4WIN over other possible logging programs. I dread the thought of ever changing to some other new method of maintaining the heart of my DX History. With that being said I have a hard time understanding how the good and bad feedback that has been offered by many long time DX4win supporters has deteriorated to the level of personal attacks against each other. I think my biggest frustration disappointment in regard to DX4win was best stated by Kostas SV1DPI when he said: The bad thing for me (worst than not updating) is that Paul, the author of the program, does not say to us his thoughts for all these. I would like to hear his opinion, even it is something like dx4win is my last priority and I don't think I will update it the next 30 years(I hope not saying it)... There may be many good reasons for Paul not taking update action, BUT in my opinion absolutely NO reason for not communicating with his customers! He owes us that! My personal wish list still has the QRZ.com XML interface update near the top. Still Hoping! 73 Bill N4NX - Original Message - From: Lou Dietrich n...@roadrunner.com To: DX4WIN Reflector dx4win@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 12:23:06 PM Subject: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates To: Ernie w8eh.er...@gmail.com Ernie and Group, I run HDSDR and DX4WIN all the time...simply use LPB2, a free software offered by Larry N8LPYou can have HDSDR, DX4WIN, N1MM and anything else you want to linked to your rigit works great... The rest of your post can be added to our joint 'wish list'Hi Hi...along with updated rig files or movement to OmniRig...along with an update Submission Sheet showing LOTW, Hard QSL or EQSL (EQSL yuck!, sorry, editorial comment!) Even the Report Generator is missing simple drop down indicators under Report/ Action, Modes and Bands, showing different selections. This was reported and not acted upon by Paul many versions ago...multiple rotor controls...two (or more) telnet sessions...WWV numbers on the Map Screen or on top of the QSO windows...simple integration of digital programs, MMTTY/2Tone, better PSK31 integration... DX4WIN is a remarkably simple, stable but outdated piece of software. Paul did a great job with it many years ago but alas, now it just flounders in limbo with little support or enhancement from him. If it wasn't for Jim AD1C's tremendous support, I would have moved off this archaic platform a long time ago. There is little or no reason why AD1C's enhancements were not embraced, supported and incorporated by Paul. We, dear fellow DX4WIN users, are 'caught' in an trap...move off to another and abandon what we have learned ...or stick with DX4WIN and hope someone will get this platform back on the track. Flaming each other does little or nothing to enhance or move this topic forward. 73/ Regards Lou N2TU On 1/5/2014 10:24 AM, Ernie wrote: Important to me: 1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my rig at the same time. 2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself 3. Easy way to add mode names myself Ernie W8EH __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN-THREAD ENDS
Sir, It's interesting that you began a thread with empty complaints about DX4WIN and turned it into rude comments about fellow Hams' pictures on QRZ.com. Did you realize that YOUR QRZ.com page says you respond to QSLs by direct mail but you chose to have your Direct Address WITHHELD? LOL!!! 73 Going Back to Ham Radio, Bob K8BL From: n4dsp n4...@triad.rr.com To: R.T.Liddy k...@ameritech.net; Art - W6KY w...@yahoo.com; dx4win@mailman.qth.net dx4win@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 2:33 PM Subject: Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN-THREAD ENDS Art, Bob, and Zoran, what was originally an excellent post addressing the need to end the 4 year lapse in updates to the excellent but stagnated DX4WIN program has been thrown off course by you three. Another thread has appeared by Hams that are in favor and discussing in a civil manner the need for updates for DX4WIN. It's positive. You three appear to have issues so no further replies will be forthcoming. Bob you really should change-out that picture on qrz.com/k8bl. It doesn't do you justice. Now go win a contest Bob! __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
Hi, Thank you Bill for a civil restart of this discussion! We are expecting guests in a little while, so let me be brief: 1. I read the reflector 2. Folks who want to use DXLab please do so! 3. When I saw the enormous of email traffic a few month ago when LoTW had problems I realized it was much better to have a clear delineation between DX4WIN and LoTW. Is saving a few mouse clicks worth my effort and support time afterwards? 4. I wrote a pretty cool regular expression to retrieve the QRZ info, but also realized that the page was constructed to make this difficult for commercial reasons. Have to rethink that. 5. The user has the same tools as I have to construct a radio file because it is part of DX4WIN. Even debugging the interface is part of it. So if YOU have a radio that is not supported by the program, you stand a much better chance to get a working interface going than I can without that radio. (There are still users who believe I have every radio ever made in my shack!) 6. OmniRig: Has evaluated to a powerful system, using text files to describe the interface similar to what DX4WIN does. The problem for me is that OmniRig is event driven, DX4WIN polls the radio. 7. Multiple rotators: Should this be multiple serial ports and you select the rotator or something smarter (band, or band segment driven with possible override). How may users have multiple rotators? 8. I have a pretty long list of things to do, unfortunately it does not indicate when / how to do this. Happy New Year! --Paul, KK4HD PS I hope we can keep these discussions civilized. The history of this reflector goes back many years, and today seems to be the first time things are getting slightly out of hand. Please avoid personal attacks. On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:34 PM, WILLIAM n...@comcast.net wrote: I have always considered myself as a loyal and satisfied user of DX4WIN! I have probably been responsible for 25 or more fellow DXers choosing DX4WIN over other possible logging programs. I dread the thought of ever changing to some other new method of maintaining the heart of my DX History. With that being said I have a hard time understanding how the good and bad feedback that has been offered by many long time DX4win supporters has deteriorated to the level of personal attacks against each other. I think my biggest frustration disappointment in regard to DX4win was best stated by Kostas SV1DPI when he said: The bad thing for me (worst than not updating) is that Paul, the author of the program, does not say to us his thoughts for all these. I would like to hear his opinion, even it is something like dx4win is my last priority and I don't think I will update it the next 30 years(I hope not saying it)... There may be many good reasons for Paul not taking update action, BUT in my opinion absolutely NO reason for not communicating with his customers! He owes us that! My personal wish list still has the QRZ.com XML interface update near the top. Still Hoping! 73 Bill N4NX - Original Message - From: Lou Dietrich n...@roadrunner.com To: DX4WIN Reflector dx4win@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 12:23:06 PM Subject: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates To: Ernie w8eh.er...@gmail.com Ernie and Group, I run HDSDR and DX4WIN all the time...simply use LPB2, a free software offered by Larry N8LPYou can have HDSDR, DX4WIN, N1MM and anything else you want to linked to your rigit works great... The rest of your post can be added to our joint 'wish list'Hi Hi...along with updated rig files or movement to OmniRig...along with an update Submission Sheet showing LOTW, Hard QSL or EQSL (EQSL yuck!, sorry, editorial comment!) Even the Report Generator is missing simple drop down indicators under Report/ Action, Modes and Bands, showing different selections. This was reported and not acted upon by Paul many versions ago...multiple rotor controls...two (or more) telnet sessions...WWV numbers on the Map Screen or on top of the QSO windows...simple integration of digital programs, MMTTY/2Tone, better PSK31 integration... DX4WIN is a remarkably simple, stable but outdated piece of software. Paul did a great job with it many years ago but alas, now it just flounders in limbo with little support or enhancement from him. If it wasn't for Jim AD1C's tremendous support, I would have moved off this archaic platform a long time ago. There is little or no reason why AD1C's enhancements were not embraced, supported and incorporated by Paul. We, dear fellow DX4WIN users, are 'caught' in an trap...move off to another and abandon what we have learned ...or stick with DX4WIN and hope someone will get this platform back on the track. Flaming each other does little or nothing to enhance or move this topic forward. 73/ Regards Lou N2TU On 1/5/2014 10:24 AM, Ernie wrote: Important to me: 1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win
Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
Amen! -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 3:24 PM To: Dx4win@Mailman.Qth.Net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note! Well said, Paul ! 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP k...@arrl.net On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Paul van der Eijk pvandere...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Thank you Bill for a civil restart of this discussion! We are expecting guests in a little while, so let me be brief: 1. I read the reflector 2. Folks who want to use DXLab please do so! 3. When I saw the enormous of email traffic a few month ago when LoTW had problems I realized it was much better to have a clear delineation between DX4WIN and LoTW. Is saving a few mouse clicks worth my effort and support time afterwards? 4. I wrote a pretty cool regular expression to retrieve the QRZ info, but also realized that the page was constructed to make this difficult for commercial reasons. Have to rethink that. 5. The user has the same tools as I have to construct a radio file because it is part of DX4WIN. Even debugging the interface is part of it. So if YOU have a radio that is not supported by the program, you stand a much better chance to get a working interface going than I can without that radio. (There are still users who believe I have every radio ever made in my shack!) 6. OmniRig: Has evaluated to a powerful system, using text files to describe the interface similar to what DX4WIN does. The problem for me is that OmniRig is event driven, DX4WIN polls the radio. 7. Multiple rotators: Should this be multiple serial ports and you select the rotator or something smarter (band, or band segment driven with possible override). How may users have multiple rotators? 8. I have a pretty long list of things to do, unfortunately it does not indicate when / how to do this. Happy New Year! --Paul, KK4HD PS I hope we can keep these discussions civilized. The history of this reflector goes back many years, and today seems to be the first time things are getting slightly out of hand. Please avoid personal attacks. On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:34 PM, WILLIAM n...@comcast.net wrote: I have always considered myself as a loyal and satisfied user of DX4WIN! I have probably been responsible for 25 or more fellow DXers choosing DX4WIN over other possible logging programs. I dread the thought of ever changing to some other new method of maintaining the heart of my DX History. With that being said I have a hard time understanding how the good and bad feedback that has been offered by many long time DX4win supporters has deteriorated to the level of personal attacks against each other. I think my biggest frustration disappointment in regard to DX4win was best stated by Kostas SV1DPI when he said: The bad thing for me (worst than not updating) is that Paul, the author of the program, does not say to us his thoughts for all these. I would like to hear his opinion, even it is something like dx4win is my last priority and I don't think I will update it the next 30 years(I hope not saying it)... There may be many good reasons for Paul not taking update action, BUT in my opinion absolutely NO reason for not communicating with his customers! He owes us that! My personal wish list still has the QRZ.com XML interface update near the top. Still Hoping! 73 Bill N4NX - Original Message - From: Lou Dietrich n...@roadrunner.com To: DX4WIN Reflector dx4win@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 12:23:06 PM Subject: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates To: Ernie w8eh.er...@gmail.com Ernie and Group, I run HDSDR and DX4WIN all the time...simply use LPB2, a free software offered by Larry N8LPYou can have HDSDR, DX4WIN, N1MM and anything else you want to linked to your rigit works great... The rest of your post can be added to our joint 'wish list'Hi Hi...along with updated rig files or movement to OmniRig...along with an update Submission Sheet showing LOTW, Hard QSL or EQSL (EQSL yuck!, sorry, editorial comment!) Even the Report Generator is missing simple drop down indicators under Report/ Action, Modes and Bands, showing different selections. This was reported and not acted upon by Paul many versions ago...multiple rotor controls...two (or more) telnet sessions...WWV numbers on the Map Screen or on top of the QSO windows...simple integration of digital programs, MMTTY/2Tone, better PSK31 integration... DX4WIN is a remarkably simple, stable but outdated piece of software. Paul did a great job with it many years ago but alas, now it just flounders in limbo with little support or enhancement from him. If it wasn't for Jim AD1C's tremendous support, I would have moved off this archaic platform a long time ago. There is little or
Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
Paul tnx for reply. I appreciate it. 1.Either we like it or not, qrz is a standard. So I believe that dx4win must support it. 2. Abt 2 rotors. Is difficult someone has one rotor for hf antenna and one for 6m antenna? This is my case. Computer control of rotors is cheap today. I bought and assembled an ERC kit (easy rotor control) and it supports 2 rotors in one com. It costs me abt 60 euros, that is abt 70 dollars. Not a big deal. Finally don't forget digital support, rst and modes, clusters, etc. In any case we feel more safe when you reply to us. Now at least, I can reply to anyone he is asking easier user interface for lotw... (by the way I have written a number of articles in Greek to help other fellows to use lotw. A programmer found them in the web and asked me to help him. He wrote a routine for another logging program to make upload and download to lotw easier. Trying this software I didn't see any problems. The last lotw software returns messages in every case...) 73 Kostas, SV1DPI __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
There must be peace, I have tried many log, ur5eqf, N1MM, Swisslog, winlog32, DXBase, ham radio deluxe, win-eqf and dx4wim among others, and always return to dx4wim. I do not know why but yes, if I would like the topic of digital and easiest way to adapt competitions, diplomas or trophies in each country be improved.If it is true that you could do something else but as discussed in the previous post, that would be very good, as paul says. Sebastián Gámez Hernández E A 8 O G 73´S 2014/1/5 Charlie Cunningham charlie-cunning...@nc.rr.com Amen! -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 3:24 PM To: Dx4win@Mailman.Qth.Net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note! Well said, Paul ! 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP k...@arrl.net On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Paul van der Eijk pvandere...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Thank you Bill for a civil restart of this discussion! We are expecting guests in a little while, so let me be brief: 1. I read the reflector 2. Folks who want to use DXLab please do so! 3. When I saw the enormous of email traffic a few month ago when LoTW had problems I realized it was much better to have a clear delineation between DX4WIN and LoTW. Is saving a few mouse clicks worth my effort and support time afterwards? 4. I wrote a pretty cool regular expression to retrieve the QRZ info, but also realized that the page was constructed to make this difficult for commercial reasons. Have to rethink that. 5. The user has the same tools as I have to construct a radio file because it is part of DX4WIN. Even debugging the interface is part of it. So if YOU have a radio that is not supported by the program, you stand a much better chance to get a working interface going than I can without that radio. (There are still users who believe I have every radio ever made in my shack!) 6. OmniRig: Has evaluated to a powerful system, using text files to describe the interface similar to what DX4WIN does. The problem for me is that OmniRig is event driven, DX4WIN polls the radio. 7. Multiple rotators: Should this be multiple serial ports and you select the rotator or something smarter (band, or band segment driven with possible override). How may users have multiple rotators? 8. I have a pretty long list of things to do, unfortunately it does not indicate when / how to do this. Happy New Year! --Paul, KK4HD PS I hope we can keep these discussions civilized. The history of this reflector goes back many years, and today seems to be the first time things are getting slightly out of hand. Please avoid personal attacks. On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:34 PM, WILLIAM n...@comcast.net wrote: I have always considered myself as a loyal and satisfied user of DX4WIN! I have probably been responsible for 25 or more fellow DXers choosing DX4WIN over other possible logging programs. I dread the thought of ever changing to some other new method of maintaining the heart of my DX History. With that being said I have a hard time understanding how the good and bad feedback that has been offered by many long time DX4win supporters has deteriorated to the level of personal attacks against each other. I think my biggest frustration disappointment in regard to DX4win was best stated by Kostas SV1DPI when he said: The bad thing for me (worst than not updating) is that Paul, the author of the program, does not say to us his thoughts for all these. I would like to hear his opinion, even it is something like dx4win is my last priority and I don't think I will update it the next 30 years(I hope not saying it)... There may be many good reasons for Paul not taking update action, BUT in my opinion absolutely NO reason for not communicating with his customers! He owes us that! My personal wish list still has the QRZ.com XML interface update near the top. Still Hoping! 73 Bill N4NX - Original Message - From: Lou Dietrich n...@roadrunner.com To: DX4WIN Reflector dx4win@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sunday, January 5, 2014 12:23:06 PM Subject: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates To: Ernie w8eh.er...@gmail.com Ernie and Group, I run HDSDR and DX4WIN all the time...simply use LPB2, a free software offered by Larry N8LPYou can have HDSDR, DX4WIN, N1MM and anything else you want to linked to your rigit works great... The rest of your post can be added to our joint 'wish list'Hi Hi...along with updated rig files or movement to OmniRig...along with an update Submission Sheet showing LOTW, Hard QSL or EQSL (EQSL yuck!, sorry, editorial comment!) Even the Report Generator is missing
Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
I agree Kostas. After 4 years we NOW know , thanks to Paul, there will be NO LOTW Updates to DX4WIN and additional rig files. Would like to make a positive suggestion for Paul while he is still listeningOn the DX4WIN Home Page provide a Link that allows user's to see what is up and coming and NOT up and coming for future versions of the program if there are going to be any future versions. Communication from Paul must take place. On 1/5/2014 4:08 PM, Kostas SV1DPI wrote: Paul tnx for reply. I appreciate it. 1.Either we like it or not, qrz is a standard. So I believe that dx4win must support it. 2. Abt 2 rotors. Is difficult someone has one rotor for hf antenna and one for 6m antenna? This is my case. Computer control of rotors is cheap today. I bought and assembled an ERC kit (easy rotor control) and it supports 2 rotors in one com. It costs me abt 60 euros, that is abt 70 dollars. Not a big deal. Finally don't forget digital support, rst and modes, clusters, etc. In any case we feel more safe when you reply to us. Now at least, I can reply to anyone he is asking easier user interface for lotw... (by the way I have written a number of articles in Greek to help other fellows to use lotw. A programmer found them in the web and asked me to help him. He wrote a routine for another logging program to make upload and download to lotw easier. Trying this software I didn't see any problems. The last lotw software returns messages in every case...) 73 Kostas, SV1DPI __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
All, We have FINALLY heard from Paulthat is a good thingand it sounds like he has a portion of our wish list. A few comments though 1. Did you see any inclination or willingness to incorporate them into DX4WIN? 2. Although it is unlikely he would have every rig produced, it should be noted that I, for one, attempted to develop a rig file for the FT3000...sent many messages to him for assistance...and never heard back. I had a Yaesu 'demo' FT3000 shipped to me and it sat here for months awaiting assistance and nothing...this was a while after his personal moveyes, the rig files are rather basic but how DX4WIN handles these files are hard coded and cannot be user defined or changed. I have quite a bit of documentation in this issueas do others. We are/ were willing to work with him but the effort hasn't been reciprocal. 3. LOTW isn't going away...or GlobalQsl...or EQSLincorporating easy interface to these systems seeming would be a selling point for DX4WIN. Without them, DX4WIN is severely lacking. 4. As in number 3, QRZ.Com is here to stay...and most of your users access it routinely. Paul, this isn't an attack on you...and regrettably there has been some severe tone between a few users...hopefully, we can get back on a more positive, productive track. However, this thread is an indication of the frustration of your loyal, paid users. We want DX4WIN to succeed but there needs to be some indication that DX4WIN is alive and well...and will be supported and improved. Yes... we could all move to a different platform ...we have a number of other choices...but we have been sticking with DX4WIN but without finite information from you, Paul, we've been in an informational vacuum. Paul, incorporating user input and enhancing DX4WIN appears to be a win/win situation. We look forward for more information as to the direction and future of DX4WIN. 73 Lou N2TU On 1/5/2014 3:44 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: Amen! -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 3:24 PM To: Dx4win@Mailman.Qth.Net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note! Well said, Paul ! 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP k...@arrl.net On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Paul van der Eijk pvandere...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Thank you Bill for a civil restart of this discussion! We are expecting guests in a little while, so let me be brief: 1. I read the reflector 2. Folks who want to use DXLab please do so! 3. When I saw the enormous of email traffic a few month ago when LoTW had problems I realized it was much better to have a clear delineation between DX4WIN and LoTW. Is saving a few mouse clicks worth my effort and support time afterwards? 4. I wrote a pretty cool regular expression to retrieve the QRZ info, but also realized that the page was constructed to make this difficult for commercial reasons. Have to rethink that. 5. The user has the same tools as I have to construct a radio file because it is part of DX4WIN. Even debugging the interface is part of it. So if YOU have a radio that is not supported by the program, you stand a much better chance to get a working interface going than I can without that radio. (There are still users who believe I have every radio ever made in my shack!) 6. OmniRig: Has evaluated to a powerful system, using text files to describe the interface similar to what DX4WIN does. The problem for me is that OmniRig is event driven, DX4WIN polls the radio. 7. Multiple rotators: Should this be multiple serial ports and you select the rotator or something smarter (band, or band segment driven with possible override). How may users have multiple rotators? 8. I have a pretty long list of things to do, unfortunately it does not indicate when / how to do this. Happy New Year! --Paul, KK4HD PS I hope we can keep these discussions civilized. The history of this reflector goes back many years, and today seems to be the first time things are getting slightly out of hand. Please avoid personal attacks. On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 2:34 PM, WILLIAM n...@comcast.net wrote: I have always considered myself as a loyal and satisfied user of DX4WIN! I have probably been responsible for 25 or more fellow DXers choosing DX4WIN over other possible logging programs. I dread the thought of ever changing to some other new method of maintaining the heart of my DX History. With that being said I have a hard time understanding how the good and bad feedback that has been offered by many long time DX4win supporters has deteriorated to the level of personal attacks against each other. I think my biggest frustration disappointment in regard to DX4win was best stated by Kostas SV1DPI when he said: The bad thing for me (worst than not updating) is that Paul, the author of the program, does not say to us his thoughts for all these. I would like to
[Dx4win] LOTW score automation issue... and other stuffs
Hi to all. I'm a LOTW user since version 5. I think this is the simpliest and powerfull dx logging program on the air. But I had to ask a pretty *new* feature: LOTW let you download the list of QSOs that are used for claim the score... Can you import that file using their proprietary fields to update the award status flags (confirmed, submitted, checked)? We have a nice help from AD1C tool to manage DXCC scores... but the DXCC QSL Download https://lotw.arrl.org/lotwuser/logbook/qslcards.php?ac_acct=1 is a useful Other thing about online callbook... they all have XML direct access... why DX4WIN don't interface XML directly??? I think there are more OMs internet connected then CD callbook users... I wait to see dx4win version number 9 with new improvement and features. HNY 2 U ALL -- 73 de Leo IZ5FSA __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN-THREAD ENDS
On 05.01.2014 11:33, n4dsp wrote: Art, Bob, and Zoran, what was originally an excellent post addressing the need to end the 4 year lapse in updates to the excellent but stagnated DX4WIN program has been thrown off course by you three. Your excellent post was a poorly disguised flaming attempt that demanded DX4Win updates for the sake of updates. When you were asked to elaborate on what kind of updates you would like to see (politely, btw), you threw a hissy fit worthy of a 12-year old 4Chan troll. Another thread has appeared by Hams that are in favor and discussing in a civil manner the need for updates for DX4WIN. It's positive. You three appear to have issues so no further replies will be forthcoming. I hope that's a promise. Next time take your medication *before* posting. __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
With due respect to all little change is going to occur which I am sorry to say. We have FINALLY heard from Paul and aware of the direction DX4WIN is taking. Well boys I have supported Paul and DX4WIN speaking to others informing them what a great dx logging program it is and quite frankly I cannot do that any longer especially after what Paul had to say today. Therefore I downloaded and installed LOGGER 32 and like all new programs there is quite a learning curve but I will be much further ahead in another month than I will be with DX4WIN five years from now. Have been loyal to DX4WIN but it's over. Some will be happy there will no longer see any more posts from n4dsp! LOL. Hate to see such a great dx logging program coming to it's end and it's troublesome. Made the ARRL Honor Roll with this program from my first contact to #334. Paul,SELL THE COMPANY. Respectfully, john / n4dsp of On 1/5/2014 5:04 PM, Lou Dietrich wrote: All, We have FINALLY heard from Paulthat is a good thingand it sounds like he has a portion of our wish list. A few comments though 1. Did you see any inclination or willingness to incorporate them into DX4WIN? 2. Although it is unlikely he would have every rig produced, it should be noted that I, for one, attempted to develop a rig file for the FT3000...sent many messages to him for assistance...and never heard back. I had a Yaesu 'demo' FT3000 shipped to me and it sat here for months awaiting assistance and nothing...this was a while after his personal moveyes, the rig files are rather basic but how DX4WIN handles these files are hard coded and cannot be user defined or changed. I have quite a bit of documentation in this issueas do others. We are/ were willing to work with him but the effort hasn't been reciprocal. 3. LOTW isn't going away...or GlobalQsl...or EQSLincorporating easy interface to these systems seeming would be a selling point for DX4WIN. Without them, DX4WIN is severely lacking. 4. As in number 3, QRZ.Com is here to stay...and most of your users access it routinely. Paul, this isn't an attack on you...and regrettably there has been some severe tone between a few users...hopefully, we can get back on a more positive, productive track. However, this thread is an indication of the frustration of your loyal, paid users. We want DX4WIN to succeed but there needs to be some indication that DX4WIN is alive and well...and will be supported and improved. Yes... we could all move to a different platform ...we have a number of other choices...but we have been sticking with DX4WIN but without finite information from you, Paul, we've been in an informational vacuum. Paul, incorporating user input and enhancing DX4WIN appears to be a win/win situation. We look forward for more information as to the direction and future of DX4WIN. 73 Lou N2TU On 1/5/2014 3:44 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: Amen! -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 3:24 PM To: Dx4win@Mailman.Qth.Net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note! Well said, Paul ! 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP k...@arrl.net On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Paul van der Eijk pvandere...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Thank you Bill for a civil restart of this discussion! We are expecting guests in a little while, so let me be brief: 1. I read the reflector 2. Folks who want to use DXLab please do so! 3. When I saw the enormous of email traffic a few month ago when LoTW had problems I realized it was much better to have a clear delineation between DX4WIN and LoTW. Is saving a few mouse clicks worth my effort and support time afterwards? 4. I wrote a pretty cool regular expression to retrieve the QRZ info, but also realized that the page was constructed to make this difficult for commercial reasons. Have to rethink that. 5. The user has the same tools as I have to construct a radio file because it is part of DX4WIN. Even debugging the interface is part of it. So if YOU have a radio that is not supported by the program, you stand a much better chance to get a working interface going than I can without that radio. (There are still users who believe I have every radio ever made in my shack!) 6. OmniRig: Has evaluated to a powerful system, using text files to describe the interface similar to what DX4WIN does. The problem for me is that OmniRig is event driven, DX4WIN polls the radio. 7. Multiple rotators: Should this be multiple serial ports and you select the rotator or something smarter (band, or band segment driven with possible override). How may users have multiple rotators? 8. I have a pretty long list of things to do, unfortunately it does not indicate when / how to do this. Happy New Year! --Paul, KK4HD PS I hope we can keep these discussions civilized. The history of this reflector goes back many
[Dx4win] Updates - My LoTW Opinion and a Question
Relative to LoTW improvements: One of the great features of DX4Win is it's ability to handle multiple logs, whether they are DXpeditions, grid expeditions or just a club call. Using the Groups and Selections choices, they can be combined or separated easily. LoTW requires that some of these logs be signed (by TQSL) individually (for example, an operation from a different grid square). I believe that any attempt to reduce the number of clicks to shorten the LoTW upload process will degrade this feature. Incorporation of additional information from LoTW in the download process is a great idea, although I think LoTW is not a mature system and waiting until it settles out has some merit (the recent upgrades to TQSL are an example). I can handle a couple extra clicks for a while longer. My question: Can someone explain the XML interface to QRZ.com? Is this is an automated download of address or similar information? In my experience, much of the information in QRZ.com is poorly formatted and occasionally just plain wrong. If you only work USA stations, it is pretty consistent, but not so for DX stations. Help me out Thanks, 73 and HNY to everyone. Bud N7CW PS - thanks again to Jim for all his hard work and support. __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
I understand in this last email that DX4WIN died about updates, what you have is what you get. is that, please clearly confirm this. thanks Sebastián Gámez Hernández E A 8 O G 73´S 2014/1/5 n4dsp n4...@triad.rr.com With due respect to all little change is going to occur which I am sorry to say. We have FINALLY heard from Paul and aware of the direction DX4WIN is taking. Well boys I have supported Paul and DX4WIN speaking to others informing them what a great dx logging program it is and quite frankly I cannot do that any longer especially after what Paul had to say today. Therefore I downloaded and installed LOGGER 32 and like all new programs there is quite a learning curve but I will be much further ahead in another month than I will be with DX4WIN five years from now. Have been loyal to DX4WIN but it's over. Some will be happy there will no longer see any more posts from n4dsp! LOL. Hate to see such a great dx logging program coming to it's end and it's troublesome. Made the ARRL Honor Roll with this program from my first contact to #334. Paul,SELL THE COMPANY. Respectfully, john / n4dsp of On 1/5/2014 5:04 PM, Lou Dietrich wrote: All, We have FINALLY heard from Paulthat is a good thingand it sounds like he has a portion of our wish list. A few comments though 1. Did you see any inclination or willingness to incorporate them into DX4WIN? 2. Although it is unlikely he would have every rig produced, it should be noted that I, for one, attempted to develop a rig file for the FT3000...sent many messages to him for assistance...and never heard back. I had a Yaesu 'demo' FT3000 shipped to me and it sat here for months awaiting assistance and nothing...this was a while after his personal moveyes, the rig files are rather basic but how DX4WIN handles these files are hard coded and cannot be user defined or changed. I have quite a bit of documentation in this issueas do others. We are/ were willing to work with him but the effort hasn't been reciprocal. 3. LOTW isn't going away...or GlobalQsl...or EQSLincorporating easy interface to these systems seeming would be a selling point for DX4WIN. Without them, DX4WIN is severely lacking. 4. As in number 3, QRZ.Com is here to stay...and most of your users access it routinely. Paul, this isn't an attack on you...and regrettably there has been some severe tone between a few users...hopefully, we can get back on a more positive, productive track. However, this thread is an indication of the frustration of your loyal, paid users. We want DX4WIN to succeed but there needs to be some indication that DX4WIN is alive and well...and will be supported and improved. Yes... we could all move to a different platform ...we have a number of other choices...but we have been sticking with DX4WIN but without finite information from you, Paul, we've been in an informational vacuum. Paul, incorporating user input and enhancing DX4WIN appears to be a win/win situation. We look forward for more information as to the direction and future of DX4WIN. 73 Lou N2TU On 1/5/2014 3:44 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: Amen! -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:dx4win-bounces@ mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 3:24 PM To: Dx4win@Mailman.Qth.Net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note! Well said, Paul ! 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP k...@arrl.net On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Paul van der Eijk pvandere...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Thank you Bill for a civil restart of this discussion! We are expecting guests in a little while, so let me be brief: 1. I read the reflector 2. Folks who want to use DXLab please do so! 3. When I saw the enormous of email traffic a few month ago when LoTW had problems I realized it was much better to have a clear delineation between DX4WIN and LoTW. Is saving a few mouse clicks worth my effort and support time afterwards? 4. I wrote a pretty cool regular expression to retrieve the QRZ info, but also realized that the page was constructed to make this difficult for commercial reasons. Have to rethink that. 5. The user has the same tools as I have to construct a radio file because it is part of DX4WIN. Even debugging the interface is part of it. So if YOU have a radio that is not supported by the program, you stand a much better chance to get a working interface going than I can without that radio. (There are still users who believe I have every radio ever made in my shack!) 6. OmniRig: Has evaluated to a powerful system, using text files to describe the interface similar to what DX4WIN does. The problem for me is that OmniRig is event driven, DX4WIN polls the radio. 7. Multiple rotators: Should this be multiple serial ports and you select the rotator or something smarter (band, or band segment driven with
Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
Dear Chano, That is exactly what n4dsp wants you to believe. He wrote many messages today stating that interfacing to LoTW should be fully automated and that I should sell the company. There will be new versions in the future, but I want to figure out what new features make sense in terms of effort, interest of the users but most importantly the support required. --Paul, KK4HD On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 7:16 PM, CHANO - EA8OG ea8og2...@gmail.com wrote: I understand in this last email that DX4WIN died about updates, what you have is what you get. is that, please clearly confirm this. thanks Sebastián Gámez Hernández E A 8 O G 73´S 2014/1/5 n4dsp n4...@triad.rr.com With due respect to all little change is going to occur which I am sorry to say. We have FINALLY heard from Paul and aware of the direction DX4WIN is taking. Well boys I have supported Paul and DX4WIN speaking to others informing them what a great dx logging program it is and quite frankly I cannot do that any longer especially after what Paul had to say today. Therefore I downloaded and installed LOGGER 32 and like all new programs there is quite a learning curve but I will be much further ahead in another month than I will be with DX4WIN five years from now. Have been loyal to DX4WIN but it's over. Some will be happy there will no longer see any more posts from n4dsp! LOL. Hate to see such a great dx logging program coming to it's end and it's troublesome. Made the ARRL Honor Roll with this program from my first contact to #334. Paul,SELL THE COMPANY. Respectfully, john / n4dsp of On 1/5/2014 5:04 PM, Lou Dietrich wrote: All, We have FINALLY heard from Paulthat is a good thingand it sounds like he has a portion of our wish list. A few comments though 1. Did you see any inclination or willingness to incorporate them into DX4WIN? 2. Although it is unlikely he would have every rig produced, it should be noted that I, for one, attempted to develop a rig file for the FT3000...sent many messages to him for assistance...and never heard back. I had a Yaesu 'demo' FT3000 shipped to me and it sat here for months awaiting assistance and nothing...this was a while after his personal moveyes, the rig files are rather basic but how DX4WIN handles these files are hard coded and cannot be user defined or changed. I have quite a bit of documentation in this issueas do others. We are/ were willing to work with him but the effort hasn't been reciprocal. 3. LOTW isn't going away...or GlobalQsl...or EQSLincorporating easy interface to these systems seeming would be a selling point for DX4WIN. Without them, DX4WIN is severely lacking. 4. As in number 3, QRZ.Com is here to stay...and most of your users access it routinely. Paul, this isn't an attack on you...and regrettably there has been some severe tone between a few users...hopefully, we can get back on a more positive, productive track. However, this thread is an indication of the frustration of your loyal, paid users. We want DX4WIN to succeed but there needs to be some indication that DX4WIN is alive and well...and will be supported and improved. Yes... we could all move to a different platform ...we have a number of other choices...but we have been sticking with DX4WIN but without finite information from you, Paul, we've been in an informational vacuum. Paul, incorporating user input and enhancing DX4WIN appears to be a win/win situation. We look forward for more information as to the direction and future of DX4WIN. 73 Lou N2TU On 1/5/2014 3:44 PM, Charlie Cunningham wrote: Amen! -Original Message- From: dx4win-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:dx4win-bounces@ mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 3:24 PM To: Dx4win@Mailman.Qth.Net Subject: Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note! Well said, Paul ! 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP k...@arrl.net On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 1:19 PM, Paul van der Eijk pvandere...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Thank you Bill for a civil restart of this discussion! We are expecting guests in a little while, so let me be brief: 1. I read the reflector 2. Folks who want to use DXLab please do so! 3. When I saw the enormous of email traffic a few month ago when LoTW had problems I realized it was much better to have a clear delineation between DX4WIN and LoTW. Is saving a few mouse clicks worth my effort and support time afterwards? 4. I wrote a pretty cool regular expression to retrieve the QRZ info, but also realized that the page was constructed to make this difficult for commercial reasons. Have to rethink that. 5. The user has the same tools as I have to construct a radio file because it is part of DX4WIN. Even debugging the interface is part
Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
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Re: [Dx4win] Updates - LPB2
Lou, thanks for the tip about the LPB2 program. I didn't know it was out there. I installed LPB2 and it does exactly what I need it to do. I have it running right now with my Yaesu FT-950, DX4Win, HDSDR and N3FJP contest program. They all know what the radio is doing now. Thanks again for the 'tip of the day'. 73 Ernie W8EH On 1/5/2014 10:59 AM, Lou Dietrich wrote: Ernie and Group, I run HDSDR and DX4WIN all the time...simply use LPB2, a free software offered by Larry N8LPYou can have HDSDR, DX4WIN, N1MM and anything else you want to linked to your rigit works great... The rest of your post can be added to our joint 'wish list'Hi Hi...along with updated rig files or movement to OmniRig...along with an update Submission Sheet showing LOTW, Hard QSL or EQSL (EQSL yuck!, sorry, editorial comment!) Even the Report Generator is missing simple drop down indicators under Report/ Action, Modes and Bands, showing different selections. This was reported and not acted upon by Paul many versions ago...multiple rotor controls...two (or more) telnet sessions...WWV numbers on the Map Screen or on top of the QSO windows...simple integration of digital programs, MMTTY/2Tone, better PSK31 integration... DX4WIN is a remarkably simple, stable but outdated piece of software. Paul did a great job with it many years ago but alas, now it just flounders in limbo with little support or enhancement from him. If it wasn't for Jim AD1C's tremendous support, I would have moved off this archaic platform a long time ago. There is little or no reason why AD1C's enhancements were not embraced, supported and incorporated by Paul. We, dear fellow DX4WIN users, are 'caught' in an trap...move off to another and abandon what we have learned ...or stick with DX4WIN and hope someone will get this platform back on the track. Flaming each other does little or nothing to enhance or move this topic forward. 73/ Regards Lou N2TU On 1/5/2014 10:24 AM, Ernie wrote: Important to me: 1. Omnirig support so that I can run HDSDR and DX4Win connected to my rig at the same time. 2. Easy way to add additional satellite names myself 3. Easy way to add mode names myself Ernie W8EH __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Dx4win] LOTW Support
Just as a point of information, the TQSL log signing application has been completely re-written to make the process more secure and easier to interface with. This wouldn't affect reading LOTW records, but I understand it makes the log submission process easier to automate. Information on integrating it into a logging program can be found at http://www.arrl.org/developer -- Dick Flanagan K7VC d...@k7vc.com __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] LOTW and DX4WIN
On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 11:01 AM, n4dsp n4...@triad.rr.com wrote: For starters the steps one has to take to upload a log to LOTW is many and confusing. This is well known. I downloaded and installed DXLAB. With two mouse clicks my log is uploaded to LOTW. It's amazing. Why can we not have the same with DX4WIN? John, I can understand your frustration. However I disagree that the steps to upload a log to LoTW are many and confusing. There are two steps: 1. LoTW | Export to LoTW using DX4WIN 2. Sign and upload log using TQSL (signing is now integrated with uploading) I used to monitor another popular logging reflector. That program integrates the LoTW upload into the program. Would you like to guess what half the list traffic consists of? That's right, why didn't my upload to LoTW work. The DX4WIN reflector would quickly degenerate into the same. By keeping the export and upload separate, it's easier to pinpoint where the problem is. If the problem is with DX4WIN, then this is the reflector to ask. However, if the problem is with LotW, then *that* becomes the reflector to ask. 73 - Jim AD1C -- Jim Reisert AD1C, jjreis...@alum.mit.edu, http://www.ad1c.us __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Dx4win] Fwd: Re: Updates on a more positive note!
Hi Dick, Thank you for your personal note! I copy the reflector on my reply; it may be educational. Well I beat you in number of years developing commercial software. (since 1976) What some, and may you too, do not appreciate is the wide scale of computer experience DX4WIN users have. In my regular job, most of our users have a masters or phd or are students working towards it. So there is a certain level of expectation what your customer understands. This is not the case with DX4WIN users. We had users who do not recall the difference between a left mouse click or a right mouse click and put me on the phone with their son or spouse who 'knows computers'. Some do not recall that they bought the program already, and try to purchase a license over and over again. Some of my users love to get me on the phone just for the chit chat. etc. So from my perspective, minimizing support is important, especially when this happens in the evening hours or in the weekend. I want a user to be able to figure out how its done without having to ask me. --Paul, KK4HD http://www.dx4win.com __ DX4WIN mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/dx4win Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:DX4WIN@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
