Re: [ECOLOG-L] Not now I've seen it all - says Orwell

2010-01-18 Thread David L. McNeely
Bill, thank you. Not to hammer a dead horse, but I wrote my dissertation in the seventies. I was encouraged to use active voice and first person. The most recent edition of the CBE Style Manual that I actually own is the third edition (copyright 1972), though I have generally had access to

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Not now I've seen it all - says Orwell

2010-01-18 Thread Jane Shevtsov
I've always thought the main reason for avoiding I in scientific papers was to prevent self-aggrandizement. It's not about you -- it's about the research. We may be ok, but the passive voice serves a moral/social purpose in single-authored works. Jane On Mon, Jan 18, 2010 at 11:10 AM, David L.

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Not now I've seen it all - says Orwell

2010-01-18 Thread David L. McNeely
Again quoting from the third edition (but the admonishment has persisted) of the CBE Style Manual (page 6): Avoid the 'passive of modesty,' a favorite device of writers who shun the first person singular. The authors devote a whole paragraph to explaining why. Further down in the paragraph

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Not now I've seen it all - says Orwell

2010-01-18 Thread David L. McNeely
They aren't opposed to using the passive voice. They are opposed to using it when it is not the best choice. Why would I startle the reader, when it communicates the intended information better than an ambiguous anonymity would? On the same page where the CBE writers advise using first

Re: [ECOLOG-L] Not now I've seen it all - says Orwell

2010-01-18 Thread Jane Shevtsov
I wonder why the writers of the CBE Style Manual are opposed to using the passive voice. Is it the usual Strunk White stuff? It's interesting that they say 'I' may embarrass the writer, but not, 'I' may startle the reader. There's an excellent article on The Passive in Technical and Scientific

[ECOLOG-L] Not now I've seen it all - says Orwell

2010-01-17 Thread William Silvert
Several subscribers have disagreed with my statement about passive/active voice, and I stand corrected. Perhaps the case was best stated by someone who wrote me off-list to say I have noticed a change in the last 4 years...I was instructed by many to use the passive voice and to shy away from