Hi Peter,
I bought the Astron RS-35M for my $4000 K3 in 2008. I've never turned it off
and I've never even given it a second thought. No fan, no RF noise, just
reliable DC.
73,
Mike K2MK
Peter Pauly wrote
> I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and seem
> to be
An Astron SS-30M is a much better supply and will supply the required
current. It has excellent regulation and IS NOT a noise generator.
Plus it has a volt meter and amp meter on the front panel.
73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10163
On 10/29/2015 6:51 AM, Peter Pauly wrote:
I'm looking at the
I'm looking at the Meanwell power supplies because they are cheap and seem
to be well regarded. I've come up with these two choices, feel free to give
more suggestions of other models. I've seen talk on this reflector of
supplying more than 13.8V to the K3S so that's why I'm looking at the 15V
This subject keeps cropping up. Is this a serious issue ?
I have heard that IMD improves by 10db with a one volt increase in supply
voltage. Is this really the case or just a measurement error? 10db is a large
difference. One volt is a small variation.
What is the minimum acceptable IMD?
All,
I found the problem. My serial cable had a broken wire on pin
2. I had used the serial cable on my KPA-500 and it was working. Must
have broken when I removed it from the system and used it to test the
KRC2. Thanks for all the pointers and help! Murphy is so busy at my QTH,
Frank,
All radios that run from an external DC supply (to make them usable with
emergency power sources, such as a 12-V car battery or solar panel) are subject
to increasing TX IMD as supply voltage goes down. But such radios are virtually
all specified (by the manufacturer) and tested (in QST
For powering my Elecraft K3S and P3, I am using the Astron RS-35 power supply
feeding a West Mountain DC-to-Go PWR gate PG40S and Rigrunner 4007U with a 79
Amp hour battery.
Living on an island, we have many spikes and losses of power during the year.
I figure that if I'm spending a sizable
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Frank,
I think the "issue" is one of some hams wanting to make what is good
already into something better.
If you look closely you should discover that this is a situation common
to *all* 100 watt class amplifiers that are supposed to run on a nominal
'12 volt' supply. That voltage level is
Hello Wayne,
I have tested and use a Rapoo wireless ultra-slim keyboard model E9070
with a very tiny 2,4 GHz dongle. It has an on/off switch at the bottom
and works, as far as I can tell, flawless.
It does have a numeric keypad but still measures only 340 mm x 110 mm x
5 mm at the
Yes, life is too short to power a radio from a cheap power supply. Remember,
the life and performance of your radio depends on it.
Bob, K4TAX
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> On Oct 29, 2015, at 10:32 AM, gerald finn wrote:
>
> For powering my Elecraft K3S and P3, I am using
I have an Astron 35 amp - been on 24/7 since the middle 80s. Also have
an Astron 20 amp as a backup. Due to the age of the Astron, I decided it
was time to replace it for the K3/P3 only. I bought the SS30-DV. It is
small and quiet (physically quiet and RF quiet) and meets my needs
nicely. The
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Put in your password and edit your subscription as you desire.
73,
Don W3FPR
On 10/29/2015 11:48 AM, Richard Fredrickson via Elecraft wrote:
New to this system. How do I unsubscribe to the mail list? Thanks.
My suggestion and test is to measure the voltage between the Astron
power supply GRD terminal and the GRD terminal on the radio. Any value
over 0.5 volts, when in CW mode, key down at 100 watts is a situation
that should be investigated and improved.
73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S s/n 10163
On
How about 80 watts instead.
Won't make a noticeable difference on the receive end.
Even better, get rid of all the Yaesu and Icom "Clackers" with their VERY
poor CW performance. You can have the best class A amplifier in the world,
but garbage in will always equal garbage out.
I am ashamed at
And 120W over 100W gives you a whopping 0.8dB increase in power.
Will anyone notice?
I see the "easy to measure" effect in many fields. Anything
that's easy to measure becomes the only thing to optimize. In
program language compilers,the speed of the optimized program is
easy to measure so
I worked as an engineer and in marketing for a major power supply company.
I did many design reviews and cost analysis on various MW power supplies.
The designs are straight forward and their derating guidelines were not as
robust as the ones I used.
One area that they "just met spec" was for
Astron is another power supply that runs on the "edge". People that use
them at repeater sites on mountains derate them 50% plus so they do not have
to run to the mountain and replace power supplies.
A RS-35M in a controlled environment will do the job for a K3.
I added a "hard" crowbar circuit
Jim:
Is there a particular Artesyn power supply model that you’d recommend?
In taking a quick review of their website, they offer a 12 VDC and 15 VDC
output in the LCM300 series which provides 300 watts (20 amps at 15 VDC) and a
LCM600 series offering 600 watts (40 amps at 15 VDC). I presume
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> On Oct 29, 2015, at 11:48 AM, Richard Fredrickson via Elecraft
> wrote:
>
> New to this system. How do I unsubscribe to the mail list? Thanks.
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Does that imply we should all adjust our power supplies to output +15VDC?
Will that damage my 2M Rig?
I recently purchased the powerwerx SS-30DV from Elecraft when I purchased my
K3S kit.
Thanks
Jerry Moore
CDXA, INDEXA, SKCC, Fists
AE4PB, K3S - S.N. 010324
http://www.qrz.com/db/AE4PB
An
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 07:43:24 -0700
Wayne Burdick wrote:
> The K3 and K3S, like our other radios, are very popular for Field Day and
> other applications where a battery might be used. So we provide two ways for
> you to monitor the supply voltage:
>
> 1. The CONFIG:BAT MIN
People might run them on the edge, but IMX with commercial repeaters Astrons
are conservatively rated.
Long ago I came to the conclusion was that at least some people thought a
rating such as 20A meant it could deliver 20 amps continuously.
Astrons, as their data sheet shows, are rated ICAS
On Thu,10/29/2015 12:06 PM, frank wrote:
Also, you did not answer my questions. Maybe I should ask them one at a time.
I thought Wayne answered them quite well, but I'll try to rephrase his
answers in terms that are easier to understand.
1) Contemporary ham rigs are designed to operate
Jim,
The marine divisions of Kenwood, et.al. already have low cost, low voltage,
PA solutions with better IMD specs, primarily due to channel spacing for the
marine band.
Jim
W6AIM
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Brown
Thanks to all who responded, but the filters have been sold.
Bill
W4ish
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CW is just one mode and is the easiest to "get right" as far as the PA
is concerned. CW bandwidth is determined primarily by keying shape and
phase noise in the synthesizer (or D to A clock jitter).
The K3/K3S is far from the cleanest rig when it comes to SSB on any of
the audio based digital
Funny Ted,
I am starting to use the RF gain more now in the last few months then ever
before… Maybe just tired to listening to the noise floor, hi hi.
Frank KG9H
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 12:48 PM, Dauer, Edward wrote:
>
> I believe there is another reason to reduce the RF gain
Good link on power supplies and repeater builds.
http://www.repeater-builder.com/astron/astron-repair/astron-repair.html
Jim
W6AIM
.
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From: Elecraft [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron
D'Eau Claire
Sent: Thursday, October 29, 2015 11:17 AM
To:
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 2:58 PM, Jim Brown
wrote:
> According to ARRL measurements, the K3 produces the cleanest CW signal of
> any current rig. See my summary of their published data in the following
> link
>
> k9yc.com/TXNoise.pdf
>
> See my measurements of my K3
My internal K3 readings of 14.3V idle and 14.0V at the 35w PEP out needed
to drive my Alpha 8410 to 1200 or 1300 watts out, probably is pretty good
IMD. The idle current is ~1.3 amps. Tune at 35 watts into 1:1 SWR is 8.7
amps. That's .04 ohms in the cabling. I don't have anything to directly
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Robert wrote:
>
> Yes, life is too short to power a radio from a cheap power supply.
> Remember, the life and performance of your radio depends on it.
>
> Bob, K4TAX
>
>
Ditto!
There is nothing better than a rock solid Astron power
I deleted all but the last post in this thread
On 10/29/2015 1:41 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
There is nothing better than a rock solid Astron power supply. I am
yet another guy who leaves the Astron on 24x7 unless we leave for
vacation of more than a day. My Astrons (I have two) are Linear
Not enough buttons on it for my CW-OP style. :-]
I hate drilling into a menu just to change cw speed.
Right now I'm in love with my new K3s!!
Love that CWT display for zeroing in on a station!
For a CW op, it doesn't get much sweeter.
It will take me a little while to take full advantage of all of
Jim,
This appears to *not* be true, at least for one radio lauded by those concerned
about TX IMD.
Earlier this year there was a long forum thread on Eham.net lamenting the
"fact" that 12-V ham rigs were not as clean as 12-V marine rigs. One radio in
particular, the Icom M802, was touted by
I agree Jim. Many hams do not understand what IMD values mean and how
it affects other signals on the bands. To wit, the "on frequency"
signal is not affected, the IMD is not heard on frequency, so it is of
little concern to the operator as they are only concerned about getting
a big signal
See item # 220648795286. I have two and they work well. The seller stands
behind their 2 year warranty and usually just ships a new replacement. They
hold up well.
36 Amp 12 Volt 13.8V DC Regulated Power Supply 12V Real USA MegaWatt®
I have no vested interest in these other than as a
I have just installed fldigi on the computer, configured it but do not have
the CAT control working yet. Will work on that later.
In the mean time when I go back to SSB on 20 meters and key the microphone I
get a red TX light and ERR TXF on vfo B. TX arrow points to VFO A
It transmits fine
I personally found the recent review in QST of the ANAN 100D using
pre-distortion to lower TX distortion products to be the most exciting
thing I have read in that rag in a LONG time. I DO hope they are
setting a standard that others will strive for. It was so much better
than any other rig they
Interesting results about the Icom M-802. It is actually marketed as a "150
Watt" rig, so testing it at 100 Watts would be giving it even more "benefit
of the doubt".
It is also interesting to note that Icom has disabled speech compression in
the M-802 by default. Apparently, when compression is
On Thu,10/29/2015 1:41 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
I am yet another guy who leaves the Astron on 24x7 unless we leave for vacation
of more than a day.
You might not do that if you lived in W6, where, thanks to Enron, the
cost of power is MUCH higher than in most of the US. In Chicago, my
worst
On Thu,10/29/2015 2:13 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
The intermittent problem turned out to be paint under a lug with a
loose screw.
That seems to be a very common problem with Astrons -- the power system
"green wire" (safety ground) is soldered to the mounting lug of a
terminal strip, which is
Fred,
Gravity outages? Seriously?
Now that just cracked me up, put a smile on my face that hopefully will last
all day.
Thanks
Gary
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From: "Fred Jensen"
Sent: 30/10/2015 7:15 AM
To: "elecraft@mailman.qth.net"
Thank you for all the information.
I set the MIC BTN to OFF and adjusted the MIC GAIN for 4 bars (ALC) and turned
on VOX.
I am able to TX and RX SSTV, PSK32 and RTTY. (No contacts mostly receiving and
transmitting into a dummy load until I have all the bugs worked out.)
BUT I have to
Forest,
That sounds like a problem between you and your computer.
If you are specific about the computer you are using, perhaps someone
with the same setup can help you. I think the solution (if any) will be
found in the soundcard mixer. It may or may not allow the selection of
Line Out
Frank,
Maybe when the devices come out Elecraft will bring out a new power
amplifier module to replace the older module for both K3 and KX3.
Meanwhile run the K3 at lower power and drive an external vacuum tube or
solid state power amplifier.
My experience of an Acom 2000A, a tube amp
Bob, et. Al:
>
>Signal reports heard being given today are largely "ego reports" and are
>of little to no value. When was the last time you heard a report
>indicating ones audio is distorted, or sounds like the transmitter has a
>bit of FM, or there's buck shot heard 10 kHz away, or
Yes, we made sure compression was off. We gave the unit every opportunity to
exhibit magic properties. Alas, it did not.
Wayne
N6KR
On Oct 29, 2015, at 2:10 PM, Chip Stratton wrote:
> Interesting results about the Icom M-802. It is actually marketed as a "150
>
Greg,
Even a rig with predistortion capability will run out of steam and exhibit
greater IMD when running from low supply voltages. Predistortion attempts to
compensate for the compression by increasing drive, but there must be enough
headroom to allow the algorithm to work. Note that the rear
Walt,
Spot on.
It is frustrating to operate in a contest as much as I enjoy the challenge, the
vast majority of strong signals are many times, disturbing to listen to.
I make a point of complimenting good audio even in the heat of battle.
Gary
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From: "Luis V.
We're quite lucky here in nawthrun Vuhginya to be
on an electric coop where our juice runs between
11¢ to 12¢ per kw-hr.
However, I personally find it distasteful to leave
a linear power supply "idling" 24/7 not running
anything.
In reality, I'm just plain too cheap to waste the
power to keep a
On Thu, 29 Oct 2015 15:21:05 -0700
Wayne Burdick wrote:
> Yes, we made sure compression was off. We gave the unit every opportunity to
> exhibit magic properties. Alas, it did not.
>
> Wayne
> N6KR
>
Sounds like all solid state amps offering more than about 50 watts are
I agree with Jim, especially during air conditioning season. Why pay the
electric company to heat with an Astron while I'm paying to cool with a Carrier?
Switchers win this battle.
--
Marc W8SDG
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 5:18 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
>
>> On
I believe there is another reason to reduce the RF gain with the AF above
what it otherwise would be; and I don¹t know that it has anything to do
with AGC or the evolution of detectors over time. I have been doing it
for over a half century and I still do it with my KX3 on CW. In casual
rag
It looks like there might be a business opportunity for an
external 100W amp which has very low distortion. Via auxbus it
could be slaved to a K3, K3S, or a KX3. How does the KXPA100
stack up?
Re: Overdriving speech processors
K1N team member Glenn Johnson, W0GJ, said, “It seems like
Yes "some resistance" might be OK, however several meghoms is not.
This gets me to thinking, in ham radio models, wonder how many, which
ones, and such can withstand a 5KV to 10KV ESD discharge on any knob,
screw or connector and survive. That is one of the standards we had to
meet with
Folks - we're hitting the posting limit for this topic. To avoid overload for
other readers, lets wind it down tonight and then close the thread..
73
Eric
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On 10/29/2015 2:25 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
On Thu,10/29/2015 2:13 PM, Fred Jensen wrote:
The
Folks - we're also hitting the posting limit for this topic. To avoid overload
for other readers, lets wind it down tonight and then close the thread..
73
Eric
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On 10/29/2015 4:57 PM, Matthew Cook wrote:
Frank,
Actually No.
You can build solid state
Just extremely busy today here at Elecraft HQ.. :-)
73,
Eric
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On 10/29/2015 5:16 PM, Peter Pauly wrote:
Eric must be on vacation. This is where is would be forcing me to close the
thread.
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I agree the Astrons are hard to beat I use a pair of 70A supplies for my
station and have several others a 35 and 2 20 amp supplies for spares.
Fred N0AZZ
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 3:41 PM, Phil Hystad wrote:
>
>
>> On Oct 29, 2015, at 8:41 AM, Robert
For those of you on the list that frequently use bugs instead of keyers,
recently I have had inquiries as to whether or not I still make the
semi-automatic key "bug" Dot Stabilizers. The answer is yes, I still
make them.
I currently make "Dot Stabilizers" (a T.R. McElroy invention from the
MegaWatt seems to be implying with "Real USA," posting a copy of their
USA trademark registration, and warnings about Chinese copies, that this
is a U.S. made product. However, no where do they actually state that
their product is Made in USA.
The style of construction looks like it is made
Frank,
Actually No.
You can build solid state 125Wpep HF amplifiers with TX IMD figures better
than -42dBc that operate quite happily at full power with only 11V.
Unfortunately they are typically designed and built by Military and
Commercial HF manufacturers who then have to recover their
I looked at those units and saw no reference to any safety or emissions
certifications.
73
Bob, K4TAX
K3S sm 10163
On 10/29/2015 6:31 PM, Josh Fiden wrote:
MegaWatt seems to be implying with "Real USA," posting a copy of their
USA trademark registration, and warnings about Chinese copies,
Sorry about my mis-typing of POWER and POWDER... Dang, that's the
first keyboard error I've made since typing class in H.S. in 1960.
Yes conductive POWDER coating material is available, however it is more
expensive and more difficult to use.When I worked for the JA's ,
how well I
The problem is that it still has some resistance
George, W6GF
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 5:09 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
>
> Sorry about my mis-typing of POWER and POWDER... Dang, that's the first
> keyboard error I've made since typing class in H.S.
Eric must be on vacation. This is where is would be forcing me to close the
thread.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 8:14 PM, George Fritkin via Elecraft <
elecraft@mailman.qth.net> wrote:
> The problem is that it still has some resistance
>
> George, W6GF
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Oct 29, 2015, at
It is amazing how many times I've found this to exist and how many times
that I've written about this on various reflectors. The power coat
paint on the chassis makes for an excellent insulator.
If you have an Astron power supply and you have not checked to see that
third pin ground is
First of all, it is POWDER coating not POWER coating. Secondly you can get
conductive POWDER coating material.
Unusual to find such and many people do not like to use it.
George, W6GF
Sent from my iPad
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 4:49 PM, Bob McGraw - K4TAX wrote:
>
> It is
Hmm. Guess I should take apart my big linear Alinco supply and check the basic
safety wiring. I will definitely take apart the small Pyramid linear.
Thanks.
wunder
K6WRU
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)
> On Oct 29, 2015, at 2:38 PM, Gary wrote:
>
> Fred,
Extra mass does not help in a gravity outage. It would just make more momentum
as the power supply was flying away from the earth (centrifugal force from the
earth’s rotation). It might be useful in a gravity brownout. But maybe not.
In earthquake country, we do have something like a gravity
When it comes to RF architecture, the IC-7300 is nothing like the KX3, it's
actually a step ahead, because it's not a Direct Conversion, but a RF Direct
sampling .
ICOM didn't follow Elecraft on this one. They rather follow FlexRadio, the
russian Expert Electronics and the italian Elad amongst
Apologies once again - this message sent yesterday to G3RXQ was meant to
be copied to the whole group.
--
You are right, Stewart.
Please cancel that whole paragraph about the KIO3B. Apologies to the
group for spreading my confusion worldwide.
73 from
Am 29.10.2015 um 09:15 schrieb Martin Storli - LA8OKA :
>
> ... "The KX3 wasn't the first Direct Conversion SDR receiver with knobs
> either, there where several smaler manufactures just prior to the KX3."
Yes, maybe the ADAT-200 designed by Hans HB9CBU was the very first
Guys,
This comment in no way is mean spirited, but truly a concern after
reading all of this tech data.
For those of us who do not have 100K in test equipment and a EE, I am
starting to feel like I should not even get on the air. I get the
concept, but the best I can do is make good
Eric,
I have learnt a lot reading the posts, thanks for being tolerant.
Gary
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From: "Eric Swartz - WA6HHQ, Elecraft"
Sent: 30/10/2015 10:53 AM
To: "Matthew Cook" ; "frank"
Cc: "Elecraft Reflector"
Look on page 70 of the manual and you will find that you do not have the
correct transmit filter configured for SSB.
How it got that way, I have no clue, but that error says it is currently
incorrect. K3 Utility is the easiest way to configure the filters
although you can do it using the menu.
Rich. I have been building radios since 1949 and a Ham since 1952. One of
the first things I learned to appreciate is that good Hams operate their
rigs to produce the cleanest signal possible. If it's a factory built, that
means running it as recommended by the manufacturer. But that does not mean
As I think I remember, in California the limit was 1500 watts, unless you were
calling an ATNO (all-time new one) in which case it was 5 kW.
Vic 4X6GP/K2VCO
> On 30 Oct 2015, at 12:55 AM, Doug Turnbull wrote:
>
> Of course this is a comparison of these two amps. Please
On 10/29/2015 5:53 PM, Luis V. Romero wrote:
Processing issues heard on the air today simply make the discussion of final
amplifier spectral purity moot.
Comparing processing issues and transmitter IMD are mixing apple and
oranges. Processing issues generally affect the quality of signal
IMD is not a single number, even at a fixed supply voltage and power output.
Recent measurements that I have performed on my K3 show a significant variation
in IMD vs. frequency. For example, at 30W (V+ 14.5V), the IMD of my K3, varied
from -58 dB (relative to PEP*) at 3.8 MHz to -40 dB at 14
Sorry. I did not see that Eric had closed the thread before I answered (the
bane of reading the most recent posts first). So this is what I should have
titled my replay to Rich.
Welcome to Ham radio Rich.
73,
Ron AC7AC
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I never assumed that Astron assumed their linear supplies were in metal
enclosures for the purpose of shielding. They are, after all, linear
supplies that would not normally require shielding.
I'm not familiar with their switchers. Does bonding he case together reduce
the RFI they create? It was
Actually, it was a joke, not an exposition on general relativity's
explanation of gravity. It derives from the era of SX-28's and 75A4's.
Mass or not, they would hold your desk down.
I now live in NW NV, also earthquake country, and our bookcases and
furniture are indeed tied to the studs.
I have two hand mics for sale that will work with any version of the K2 or
K3:
1. Elecraft MH2: This mic is in as new condition and comes with the
hanger bracket, box and instruction sheet. $40 + $6 Priority Mail shipping.
2. Kachina: This is the mic that came with the PC-controlled
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