Re: [Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Canceling?

2010-12-01 Thread Bill W4ZV
Edward Dickinson, III-2 wrote: The outboard accessories mentioned here work with only a single source of noise, as I understand them. Is it feasible that a noise canceling unit could be designed to utilize two or more sense antennas for multiple noise sources? You could use a separate

Re: [Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Canceling?

2010-12-01 Thread Edward Dickinson, III
Bill - I'm all for the latter suggestion! I had that 25 years ago. At present, there are just a couple of dozen obstacles to overcome to return to similar circumstances. J 73, Dick - KA5KKT PS I don't have the 2nd receiver.

Re: [Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Canceling?

2010-11-30 Thread David Gilbert
I'm rather surprised that nobody has noticed the connection between this discussion and the one we had a few weeks ago about using the two phase-locked receivers in the K3 for directional nulling. It's really the same thing feed separate antennas into the two receivers while in

[Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Canceling?

2010-11-30 Thread Johnny Siu
Hello Edward, From marketing point of view, if the noise cacelling mechanism were eventually implemented in K3 successfully, the sales of KRX3 option would rocket up, wouldn't it?   cheers, Johnny VR2XMC - 郵件原件 寄件人﹕ Edward R. Cole kl...@acsalaska.net 收件人﹕

Re: [Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Canceling?

2010-11-30 Thread Edward Dickinson, III
The outboard accessories mentioned here work with only a single source of noise, as I understand them. Is it feasible that a noise canceling unit could be designed to utilize two or more sense antennas for multiple noise sources? 73, Dick - KA5KKT - The human condition will improve

Re: [Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Canceling?

2010-11-29 Thread Bill W4ZV
la3rk wrote: Check the following pages www.pa0sim.nl. As far as I can tell this gentleman has done exactly what you suggest, ie he used two K2 receivers phaselocked and each fed with separate antennas. Output to separate AF channels and software to null noise by phase and amplitude

Re: [Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Canceling?

2010-11-29 Thread Edward R. Cole
At 10:06 PM 11/29/2010, you wrote: Noted your comment on noise reduction by phase nulling. Have you looked on info on pages by pa0sim, see www.pa0sim.nl, he has done more or less what I think you are considering. Ie connecting the output from 2 phase locked receivers fed with separate antennas

[Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Canceling?

2010-11-28 Thread Edward R. Cole
OK, I realize the Timewave and MFJ noise cancellers operate at RF and not AF...But I was thinking of the amazing noise reduction that SDR's accomplish in the digital relm. I understand it may not be that simple. But sometimes asking the question gets new thinking going. For example the

Re: [Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Canceling?

2010-11-28 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
There is also the issue that the various AGC's may be varying the amplitude, so the process would have to address both instant amplitude and phase to affect cancellation. Should be able to program that, though. How hard to code, who knows??? 73, Guy. On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Edward R.

Re: [Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Canceling?

2010-11-28 Thread Edward R. Cole
As I understand the operation of the phasing noise cancellation units, they have both phase and amplitude adjustments. I'm sure that can be done digitally. How difficult, what issues? Have to leave that to the SDR experts. If not feasible, no harm in asking. *** BTW I home-built a

[Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Canceling? (was K3 Plasma TV and other non OT junque)

2010-11-27 Thread Edward Dickinson, III
Hi Ed, That's a good question. I've wondered that myself. Perhaps some more knowledgeable will chime in. 73, Dick - KA5KKT Along this line of discussion, I wonder if those who have the KRX3 could use it as a

Re: [Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Canceling? (was K3 Plasma TV and other non OT junque)

2010-11-27 Thread Don Wilhelm
Dick, Most of the noise cancelling systems reverse the phase of one of the antennas and feed the combined result to the receiver, If the noise antenna receives only noise, the noise will disappear and only the signal will be present, but in practice, the noise antenna picks up some signal

[Elecraft] Diversity Receive as Noise Canceling?

2010-11-27 Thread Erik Basilier
I am not familiar with the ANC-4, but I assume it is similar to the MFJ noise cancellers. Those units are not receivers but work with the weak antenna signals at the originally transmitted frequencies. Aside from some signal buffering, such a unit essentially provides the capability to