Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss (noisy K3) - update

2015-09-30 Thread bozidar
Hallo John, tnx for proposal, a will try with some attenuation. Gary AB7MY from Elecraft have helped me with some interesting proposals too. I completely agree with you, unfortunately mein KX3 showes the same behewior (hiss when RF put on zero), but in contrary to my K3, this hiss disappeared

[Elecraft] K3 - background hiss (noisy K3) - update

2015-09-30 Thread Sullivan, Mike C
Not sure this helps much other than knowing you are not alone. I have had the same problem and fixed it exactly as John - VK7JB has - SN on my K3 is in the 800s. I have checked my S/N ratio and it is at least as good as the spec. My hearing has been checked here at work and I have been told that

Re: [Elecraft] K3 background hiss in headphones

2015-09-30 Thread Roy Koeppe
I suggest adding a second resistor, across the headphones' cord, forming a pad instead of just a series resistor. Approximately 50 ohms shunt will restore damping effect to the headphones' response. This is good practice. 73,Roy K6XKIowa

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss (noisy K3) - update

2015-09-30 Thread Bob McGraw - K4TAX
One spec pertaining to headphones, and one not realized in terms of the importance, is sensitivity. The more sensitive the headphones means it takes less audio power to produce acoustic energy. If a given signal say a value of -25 dBv is applied, this signal may be heard with some

[Elecraft] K3 - background hiss (noisy K3) - update

2015-09-29 Thread bozidar
Hi, i have studied all the posts about this topic. Seems, that is still, huge confusion about that, so i will try to formulate a problem on simply way: *With low impedance earphones plugged into the audio jack on the K3, you can hear a really annoying noise (hiss) even with the AF and RF volume

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss (noisy K3) - update

2015-09-29 Thread VK7JB
Hello Bozidar, I have K3 #5102 and also well preserved high frequency hearing. I've had the same hiss on my K3 audio since it arrived from the factory. I've used a wide range of headphones, expensive and cheap, and it's present with them all. I discovered that the fix is to introduce some

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss (noisy K3) - update

2015-09-29 Thread bozidar
Hi Dale, tnx for interesting info - i have done this test and ranges on AF and RF knobs are 2-240, so no problem with that. Yes it is an early K3, S/N 28xx. I use Sennheiser CX 300-II ear-canal phones impedance 16 Ohm - maybe is this impedance too low, but accordingly to the data-sheet for LM4811

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss (noisy K3) - update

2015-09-29 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire
with each side of your phones will do the trick. 73, Ron AC7AC -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of bozidar Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 9:53 AM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: [Elecraft] K3 - background

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss (noisy K3) - update

2015-09-29 Thread Ignacy
I do not notice any hiss with K3 with any headphones. I noticed hiss with other radios. Ignacy, NO9E -- View this message in context: http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/K3-background-hiss-noisy-K3-update-tp7608490p7608498.html Sent from the Elecraft mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss (noisy K3) - update

2015-09-29 Thread d...@lightstream.net
Hello Bozidar, I suspect that the issue may be particular to your particular K3. You did not mention the S/N range of your radio, and I may be incorrect about this but I think that very early K3's had an issue similar to this, that was quickly resolved. The S/N of my K3 is in the 58XX range, and

[Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-29 Thread Jim
Of Adrian Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2012 8:06 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss You guys are on the wrong track, NR is a waste of time on the K3 on SSB, esp low bands and attenuation ATT and/or RF gain reduction is way better to keep audio clarity whilst making

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-29 Thread John Chappell G3XRJ
While tweaking the rx EQ may help mask the problem I feel the root cause is that the AGC operates at too low a signal level. I like to set my RF gain at a level where I can hear what I want but not the band noise. If I then engage the AGC it has the effect of increasing the gain by 2 or three S

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-29 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
Yup. Great big clue there :) 73, Guy. On Sun, Apr 29, 2012 at 1:19 PM, John Chappell G3XRJ j...@g3xrj.com wrote: My receiver is fabulously quiet with the AGC off. 73 John G3XRJ __ Elecraft mailing list Home:

[Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-28 Thread Bill
I have had my K3 for a couple of months - so I am still learning. At this point, my primary concern is the amount of background hiss that I have when no signals are being received. For example: When on 75 this AM I am listening to a local net. When no one is talking the background hiss rises.

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-28 Thread Don Wilhelm
Bill, That is the AGC which makes it sound like that. Look at my webpage article dealing with Noisy K3 to give you some information about how to adjust the AGC parameters to reduce that effect. 73, Don W3FPR On 4/28/2012 9:00 AM, Bill wrote: I have had my K3 for a couple of months - so I am

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-28 Thread hawley, charles j jr
I remember that my Kenwood 850 was quiet like that compared to my Yeasu 990. Possibly how the agc is handled by Kenwood? Sent from my iPad On Apr 28, 2012, at 8:07 AM, Bill b...@w2blc.net wrote: I have had my K3 for a couple of months - so I am still learning. At this point, my primary

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-28 Thread Bob K6UJ
I have a Kenwood TS-590S for a back up to my K3 and it has a noticeably quieter background than the K3. I believe we should be able to address this with the NR in the K3, I'm still learning how to adjust the NR. Bob K6UJ On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:15 PM, hawley, charles j jr wrote: I

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-28 Thread Don Wilhelm
Bob, The K3 has more reserve gain than most other receivers, and the lack of signals cause the AGC to set the receiver top full gain. With other receivers, I usually can run the preamp to advantage, but with my K3 it is fine without the preamp on. Do you have the preamp on? If not, perhaps

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-28 Thread Bob K6UJ
Don, I usually leave the preamp on and not really needed as you said. I will try backing down the RF gain a tad also. Thanks for the info. I found too, unless I have other noise issues to deal with, setting the NR at F1-1 reduces the hiss quite a bit, and no impact at all on the sig. Just

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-28 Thread Guy Olinger K2AV
You only need set PRE/none/ATT and RF gain correctly. Many people seem to thing that RF gain at max all the time and PRE on all the time, for all bands all the time, is the normal setting. You can make this exact same error on a Ten-Tec Orion. PRE/ATT/RF gain need to be set for ambient noise

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-28 Thread W0MU Mike Fatchett
CW or SSB or both? How old is the K3? There was a DSP swapout that addressed this. For SSB I drop the FC on the filter down to about 1.0 which helps. There were some other settings that might help. Check the archives. Mike W0MU W0MU-1 CC Cluster w0mu.net On 4/28/2012 5:35 PM, Bob K6UJ

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-28 Thread Adrian
You guys are on the wrong track, NR is a waste of time on the K3 on SSB, esp low bands and attenuation ATT and/or RF gain reduction is way better to keep audio clarity whilst making noise transparent. Recommend; AGC threshold = 8 AGC slope = 0. This white noise issue is fixed with N1EU pink noise

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-28 Thread Don Wilhelm
Bob, I would discourage you from using the preamp except on the higher bands where the atmospheric noise is lower. I would also discourage you from using NR for that purpose. The K3 is a contest/DX class transceiver, and like a fine race car, does need to have a little more than casual all

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-28 Thread Bob K6UJ
Guy, Thanks for the info. I think I have afraid I wont be able to copy weak signal fobia, hihi. I need to experiment more with the RF gain and PRE and convince myself that that I am not sacrificing weak sig copy. My problem lies in the space between the headphones, hihihihi Bob K6UJ On Apr

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-28 Thread Don Wilhelm
Bob, Guy is giving you a lot of good advice, and he has some serious operating skills behind him, so he knows what he is saying. Maybe you can think of it this way -- You can't copy (with your ears) signals that are buried in the atmospheric noise, so why make that noise louder. 73, Don

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-28 Thread Gary Gregory
*Adrian, My experience with those settings are the same as yours. Works for me. 73's Gary * On 29 April 2012 10:06, Adrian vk4...@bigpond.com wrote: You guys are on the wrong track, NR is a waste of time on the K3 on SSB, esp low bands and attenuation ATT and/or RF gain reduction is way

[Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-28 Thread Charlie Delta
I use a Datong FL3 audio filter and the difference to my ears is amazing. The K3 sounds a lot lesser hissy and is very warm sounding when compared to the unfiltered radio. Yes, I have tried all AGC and EQ settings.The difference can not be equaled by just adjusting the RX EQ or by using

Re: [Elecraft] K3 - background hiss

2012-04-28 Thread Adrian
Bob, Guy is giving you a lot of good advice, and he has some serious operating skills behind him, so he knows what he is saying. Maybe you can think of it this way -- You can't copy (with your ears) signals that are buried in the atmospheric noise, so why make that noise louder. 73, Don W3FPR