Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-17 Thread Mike Scott
My K3 S-meter and P-3 show identical S-9/S-3 readings at 50 uV and 1uV with an XG-2 on 40M. Sideband and particularly band noise are different as noted in previous posts for obvious reasons. If your readings are miles apart, time to check calibration of both units. I went through the

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-16 Thread Roy Morris
I have checked the calibration on both of my K3s with my XG-1, and the K3 S meter is miles apart from the P3 readings in S units. If this is going to be the case especially in SSB, just please say thats the way it going to be. There are a lot of us apparently who are perplexed by these

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-16 Thread Amateur Radio Operator N5GE
Roy, Did you calibrate the P3? Tap the P3 MENU Button Turn the knob until you see Lvl Cal With the XG1 on the antenna connector of the K3 and turned on, adjust the level to S-9. Tap the knob. 73, Tom Childers Radio Amateur N5GE Licensed since 1976 QCWA Life Member 35102 ARRL Life Member

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-16 Thread Sam Morgan
I have calibrated both my K3 (using ABS) and P3 by the manual with an XG2 the P3 Transfer gain (db): -12.1 In SSB or AM, if I want the P3's S meter reading to match the K3's S meter I have to change the P3's Transfer gain (db) to -32.5 db actually if I'm running 200khz span is should be about

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-16 Thread Vic K2VCO
Before assuming that you have a problem, you should 1) Calibrate the K3 RF gain using the procedure built into the K3 Utility. 2) Calibrate the K3 s-meter using the procedure explained in the K3 manual. 3) Adjust the P3 calibration using the Amplitude Calibration procedure in the latest P3

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-16 Thread Roy Morris
I have found that -8.9 LVL CAL (transfer gain) is the setting for an S9 reading on my P3 using my XG-1. The readings track right well as long as they are not stronger than S9+20. Signals over this on the K3 S meter are just not correct on my P3. If I change the LVL CAL (transfer gain) to

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-16 Thread Al Lorona
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Sun, January 16, 2011 3:28:53 PM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance I have found that -8.9 LVL CAL (transfer gain) is the setting for an S9 reading on my P3 using my XG-1.  The readings track right well as long as they are not stronger than S9+20

[Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-15 Thread bill wade, sr.
Newly installed P3. Noticed S meter reading on K3 will be 2-3 units higher than that displayed on P3. I've tried lengthening the signal heights, but results are unsatisfactory:-( . Is there another method for bringing the two more in balance? 73 Bill Wade, Ai4PF

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-15 Thread Don Wilhelm
Bill, Alan may provide a better answer, but are you making that comparison on the amplitude of a single signal that is substantially greater than the ambient noise level? If you are comparing the ambient noise level, the s-meter reading on the K3 will vary by bandwidth, and will be lower at

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-15 Thread Matt Zilmer
What s/n is the K3 in question? Generally, I have the same issue here. The K3 s-meter reads high compared to the P3. BTW, there is an s-meter calibration procedure given in the K3 owner's manual matt W6NIA K3 s/n 24 -- On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:16:57 -0500, you wrote: Newly installed P3.

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-15 Thread Alan Bloom
There are a couple reasons why the K3's S meter and the P3 display may show a different level. As Don mentioned, the P3 will generally show a much lower level than the K3 on noise. It's because the effective bandwidth of the P3 is generally only one display pixel, about 1/450 of the span. Less

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-15 Thread Gary Gregory
Al, Yes, this does work and even the SSB sigs match very closely to the K3 S-Meter. Regards, Gary On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 3:20 PM, Alan Bloom a...@elecraft.com wrote: There are a couple reasons why the K3's S meter and the P3 display may show a different level. As Don mentioned, the P3 will

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-15 Thread Don Wilhelm
Alan, I might add about the K3 CONFIG: SMTR MD = ABS, that the calibration procedure indicated in the manual may (or may not) be the proper thing to do. The manual suggests that you calibrate the S-meter with the preamp ON. If you do that, and set the S-meter to ABS, you will find that the

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-15 Thread Alan Bloom
Don, The manual suggests that you calibrate the S-meter with the preamp ON. If you do that, and set the S-meter to ABS, you will find that the S-meter response is about 2 S-units lower than what you may expect. Interesting. I assumed that in ABS mode it didn't matter if the preamp was on

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-15 Thread Fred Jensen
I have a service monitor, I could calibrate my S-meter if I really understood the process, but haven't since I don't. For my part, it was Greek to me. Youknowwho 73, Fred K6DGW - Northern California Contest Club - CU in the 2011 Cal QSO Party 1-2 Oct 2011 - www.cqp.org On 1/15/2011

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-15 Thread Bill Conkling
: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance Alan, I might add about the K3 CONFIG: SMTR MD = ABS, that the calibration procedure indicated in the manual may (or may not) be the proper thing to do. The manual suggests that you calibrate the S-meter with the preamp

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-15 Thread Don Wilhelm
To: a...@elecraft.com Cc: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance Alan, I might add about the K3 CONFIG: SMTR MD = ABS, that the calibration procedure indicated in the manual may (or may not) be the proper thing to do. The manual suggests that you calibrate

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-15 Thread Don Wilhelm
Alan, WARNING - I am leading this thread Off-Topic. Delete immediately if you object,- some parts are personal. Quoting Shakespeare on the reflector may be as good or better than some of the other OT posts that have appeared here in the past (no specific examples cited nor intended). I

Re: [Elecraft] P3 S meter variance

2011-01-15 Thread Kevin Rock
I have quoted Shakespeare in my ECN notes as well as other authors. Many times an apt quote can say what we cannot say. Or, more often, say it much better than we ever could. Kevin. KD5ONS On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 23:32:58 -0800, Don Wilhelm w3...@embarqmail.com wrote: Alan,