Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-27 Thread Mark
Dear Fellow Elecraftists, I have been adjusting/measuring many HF rigs the last 10-15yrs or so, using a calibrated Marconi generator. From what I've found on S-meter accuracy, I conclude there is no such thing as the 6 dB per S-unit. Offical tests in magazines and books verify this too.

Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-27 Thread Chuck Guenther
Ron, wb1hga, wrote: I will still prefer my K1. I can't argue with your preferences. The K1 is a fine rig, I'm sure. I have a Wilderness Sierra (Wayne Burdick's predecessor to the K1), and I enjoy making QSO's with it. However, when I hear a KW contest station on 80 meters working from a

Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-27 Thread Chuck Guenther
This has certainly been an interesting discussion. Usually this question comes up in asymmetrical situations-- where the op at one end is running QRP power levels and/or using a marginal antenna, and the person on the other end is running power that may be orders of magnitude higher than QRP

Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-27 Thread g4ilo
I don't pat myself on the back or feel that I have achieved something if I manage to make a DX contact. I'm just plain thrilled. Anyone can run the full legal limit to a tower mounted beam if they have deep enough pockets and think it's important enough to spend that kind of money. But do they

Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-27 Thread Karl Larsen
All these numbers are fun but do not mean much. What you do if you run QRP is learn about propagation. If you have the prop, you work about as well as a 100 watt station. If you don't, go do something else. Yes if you run 1500 watts to a good antenna you will get the DX first. At 5

Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-27 Thread Chris Kantarjiev
Who does the work in QRP? It always is the guy with the better antenna's :) Amen to that. I'm working on QRP-WAS, and I have to admit that most of my QSOs are with hams that have some huge hunks of metal flying above their shacks. Those are a lot easier for everyone involved! But I've also

Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-27 Thread Hisashi T Fujinaka
On Wed, 27 Dec 2006, Tom Hall wrote: First of all, let me apologize right off the bat to any traumatized QRO station that might have been driven to excess drinking or required extra therapy as a result of a having a QSO with my QRP station. I envision a whole class of ham that was forced into

Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-27 Thread john
Sometimes I use my 400mW Mizuho or HB rigs, sometimes I use the Omni 6 and the Centurion at 1kW out. The type of tool depends on the type of task. One's not any more fun than the other as the saying goes, it's all good! John K5MO PS: VU7LD @ 900W is better than *not* VU7LD with my

[Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-27 Thread Jack Regan
Great thread! Before I make my point I would like to point out that I work almost always qrp using my KX1. One of my Christmas presents this year was a NOSS CW Tuning Indicator (SMD). I built and installed it today and it works fine! FWIW. I occasionaly tune into a 17 meter

[Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-26 Thread KT5X
QRP...the real skills are at the other end. boy...am I asking for trouble with THAT line! LOL. Yes and no... Here's the thing In a ragchew or traffic handling, that may be true when the QRP signal is weak. But this is NOT the case in DX'ing, as in, get your call across to work a

Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-26 Thread ron
Unh? How does one know your sig is QRP? Unless you send QRP with your call (I never do). Receiving QRP as weak sig is a MYTH! I have heard QRO stations in the noise as well as QRP stations. When propagation is there, does not matter what power you use, QRP sigs is just as loud as QRO sigs,

Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-26 Thread Mark J. Schreiner
I'm always amazed when contesting (especially on phone, er, I know, what is that?) and part of the report indicates power level, such as Q for QRP in the ARRL November Sweepstakes. More often than not if I get a comment from the other station he/she usually says something like Wow, great

Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-26 Thread Val
The NCDF beacons are the best way to figure the difference, as the call and the first dash are sent at 100 watts, second at 10, third at 1 and the last at 100 mW. Yes, there are times when the AGC equalizes two, three, or even the all dashes and you hear no difference between 100 W and 0.1 W. But

RE: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-26 Thread Darwin, Keith
I believe that the work being done in a QRP QSO is done by the RX station, not the TX station. That is, if there is any work to be done. Sometimes propogation is such that QRP signals are Q5 and work just as well as QRO. In that case, nobody is doing anything special. The time the QRP op

Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-26 Thread Larry Makoski W2LJ
I agree with Ron, 1000% Unless you sign /QRP, how is a station to know you are QRP? There are so many variables . propagation, antennas, location, height above sea level, etc.. Let's say the station doing the listening is in California. Your 5 Watts in Georgia may be a whole ton louder

Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-26 Thread Chuck Guenther
All the rationalizations and anecdotal experiences aside, there is no escape from the physical reality that a 100 watt station will be 13 dB stronger than the same station running QRP 5 watts. Whether or not this 13 Db is crucial depends upon propagation conditions and noise and QRM levels at

Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-26 Thread ron
Well, lets deal with facts on your hypothetical QRO station: Transmit power 500 watts S-9 +10 db 50 watts S-9 (+ 10 db over 9) 12.5watts S-8 3.1 watts S-7 You lose 1 S-Unit each time you're reducing power by 1/4. One S-unit consists of 6db increase

Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-26 Thread N2EY
In a message dated 12/26/06 6:27:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Transmit power 500 watts S-9 +10 db 50 watts S-9 (+ 10 db over 9) 12.5watts S-8 3.1 watts S-7 You lose 1 S-Unit each time you're reducing power by 1/4.

Re: [Elecraft] who does the work in QRP?

2006-12-26 Thread Tom Althoff
does the work in QRP? QRP...the real skills are at the other end. boy...am I asking for trouble with THAT line! LOL. Yes and no... Here's the thing In a ragchew or traffic handling, that may be true when the QRP signal is weak. But this is NOT the case in DX'ing, as in, get your call across