It is with deepest sorrow that I notify you of the
passing of my father, Earl Cunningham, also known to
you as K6SE. He died in his sleep yesterday, April
29th.
Services are pending and will most likely happen next
Saturday, May 5th, in Palmdale, California. I will
send out another e-mail in a
On Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:47:08 -0700
wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
A modular K3 is, clearly, not what you'd think of as homebrew, but
it certainly is a kit, and will still take considerable time to
complete.
One small question, since Wayne has given the first indication the the
I took #609 to South Africa for my ZS6/G3JAG vacation just after 9/11. No hand
baggage allowed ... except just one see-through plastic carrier bag. The
airport had no more such bags available, so I repacked my stuff at check-in
and used a super mart carrier bag. I just wrapped a newspaper
Just as an aside on the tremendously personal and intimate experience of
participating in the K3 roll-out, I've also been monitoring the FT-2000 Yahoo
group to see what they're talking about over there. Over the past week, nearly
100% of the voluminous postings there have been about firmware
I have mine in a Pelican case David, but as some point
out, it may be a bit overkill. The price was right for
the one I found, so figured why not ;o)
If anyone is interested, I do have another nice hard
case (not Pelican) that would work with a K2 and some
additional items. I can send pictures.
I also use Pelican cases, myself for cameras. I would only use Pelican for
my (deposit paid) K3. Slightly expensive, excellent build quality. Camera
shops often offer Pelican cases with discount.
Simon Brown, HB9DRV
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I have mine in a
If you think the tale of woe regarding the FT-2000 is bad, look at the
FTDX-9000. To be fair to Yaesu they are trying to sort it out, it looks like
it was rushed to the market. ICOM were very good with the IC-7800 - I owned
one, now sold.
I have never come a cross a company that listens to
Bob,
Heard my first Japanese stations on 160 this year.
Still need to figure out where they were listening.
KH6 is pretty easy from here, we must be in the skip
zone. I didn't hear N8S on the Top Band, had limited
time to chase them. Nice QRP catch!
I think a lot of folks think they have to have
I wonder if there is any K3 chatter on the FT-2000 list... seems like
they are squarely in the crosshairs ;-)
Larry N8LP
Bill W5WVO wrote:
Just as an aside on the tremendously personal and intimate experience of
participating in the K3 roll-out, I've also been monitoring the FT-2000 Yahoo
Good point, Wayne. I would also like to add that a lot of us build our
own computers which are also modular and we still get a sense of
achievement and pride as well as learning how they work. The world is
dynamic and things change.
Gary, N7HTS
wayne burdick wrote:
First, let me say that
HB9DRV:
I have never come a cross a company that listens to customers like
Elecraft does
I strongly second that! Ten-Tec does much
better than most but they are about 10 dB down from
Elecraft. I can't comment on Flex Radio from personal
experience but they also appear to be very
Since I heard Elecraft is releasing the K3 I rejoined the list.
Is there any info on RX specs like MDR, IP3, MDS etc etc?
I probably missed a lot of discussion abt this subject.
vy 73 Eric PA3CEV
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That's one of the main reasons I bought the K2 in the first place. I
like assembling kits, but not for weeks at a time as I have plenty of
assembly to do on my own products/projects. Serviceability and customer
support are number one for me. That's why I will be buying a K3. For
that reason
Eric,
That info is not available yet, the testing is being refined. So far we
are assured that all parameters are 'better than the K2', but we don't
know by how much. Check the FAQ page at the Elecraft website for other
info.
73,
Don W3FPR
Eric wrote:
Since I heard Elecraft is
As owner of K2 No. 2005 I look forward to owning a K3 some time in the future.
Nice job Elecraft!
I haven't yet seen an estimated build time for the K3. The consensus seems the
K2 is usually around 40-60 hours for the first time K2 builder. Because of the
K3's modular plug in construction I
Larry you make such a great point here.
This is why I cancelled an order a few years ago from another
manufacturer for a very large expensive radio. BEFORE IT SHIPPED..
and it appears that it was the right choice as there were ongoing
changes (hard and soft)which were never really finished
As a prospective overseas purchaser of a K3 I think Rick raises a very
interesting point. Given the nature of the K3 construction it would
hopefully lend itself to a flexible repair philosophy.
To give a couple of examples: The company I work for has been trying to
get our customers, most of
Larry,
I would not be concerned about the hardware from the first production
run. If the K2 stability can be any example, remember that the K2 did
not have significant hardware changes to the receiver or transmitter
chains. There were a few enhancements, but my Field Test K2 has very
No one authorative so I'll answer the question about build time, since
I asked Eric this at the Visalia vendors forum.
7-9 hours estimated build time for a K3. Not an evening, but a
weekend.
73, doug
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 08:44:29 +0100
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One up a K2?
Only with a K3
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I'm sorry I missed this one. We've been overwhelmed by email the past
few days. Lyle and I have been tag-teaming, covering most of the bases,
we hope!
On another list, some users who have both Drake equipment and K2's
have been discussing the relative merits of the Drake NoiseBlankers
While everyone is talking up all the new and neat stuff
in the K3, I haven't seen much mentioned about how
the K3 will be maintained.
How extensive are the diagnostic routines to enable the
owner to decide if a module is bad, and which one?
Are the modules field repairable? If extensively SMD
Well, there you have it. Someone says, I didn't get a response and BINGO!
Not only a response, but a public one with an apology.
Business axiom about Customer Service:
1. The customer is always right
2. When the customer is wrong, re-read #1
Gotta love it.
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On Tue, 1 May 2007, wayne burdick wrote:
Thom,
I'm sorry I missed this one. We've been overwhelmed by email the past few
days. Lyle and I have been tag-teaming, covering most of the bases, we hope!
Thanks for finding it and answering!
The K3 noise blanker is a completely new design. It is
Rick:
A while back (well, several DAYS ago) I seem to recall seeing Wayne
comment that his take on 'build time' was between 6 and 8 hours.
73,
Tom Hammond N0SS
At 09:03 AM 5/1/2007, you wrote:
As owner of K2 No. 2005 I look forward to owning a K3 some time in
the future. Nice job
elecraft
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A while back (well, several DAYS ago) I seem to recall seeing Wayne
comment that his take on 'build time' was between 6 and 8 hours.
He's faster than I am. It's taken me 3+ years and I'm *still* not
finished :-)
73,
Lyle KK7P
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I love it :-)
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Guys - Wayne and I are swamped by hundreds of direct emails with
specific K3 questions. (Big surprise, eh? ;-) We are not going to be
able to answer all emails directly, unless you want us to delay all
release work on the k3 ;-) We will reply occasionally on the list, but
to be honest that
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wayne burdick wrote:
The most appropriate roofing filter is selected automatically as these
controls are rotated. If you have one of our [pending] variable-passband
crystal roofing filters installed, then the 1st I.F. bandwidth (crystal
filter) will closely track the 2nd I.F. bandwidth
On Tue, 1 May 2007, W2AGN wrote:
I have been trying to avoid adding to the bedlam, but then you drop a
mini-bomb like this pending variable passband crystal roofing filter.
It would appear to be a good idea not to fill up the roofing filter slots
until this is no longer pending. I assume
I'd like to suggest a K3 feature for the ability to optionally
reassign the SQL control to subreceiver RF Gain. This would make for
a beautifully symmetric pair of AF and RF Gain controls for main and
sub receivers, which would be great for frequent users of the
subreceiver.
Thanks 73,
Barry
Thom LaCosta wrote:
On Tue, 1 May 2007, W2AGN wrote:
This is one of those little gotcha's that makes me wait until the
dust settles to order.
In an earlier life you must not have been one of the pioneers.
73,Thom-k3hrn
Well, in an earlier life I WAS one of the K2 Field testers. I
Thom,
I've mentioned the future variable passband filters several times,
including in the very first posting. Not sure when they'll be
available. Probably sometime after first shipments.
In any case, you're right -- if you like this idea, then reserve at
least one crystal filter slot for
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A similar situation occurs with amateur radio products. Once upon a time
we all (most) got inside pulled tubes, swapped overheated out of
tolerance parts etc
But theory was simpler then, also we could actually see the
In any case, you're right -- if you like this idea, then reserve at
least one crystal filter slot for it.
Err...
more like 4...
two for the main RX and two for the sub RX...
:) :) :)
vy 73 de toby
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There are five crystal filter positions per receive. Five on the main,
five on the sub.
73, Eric (..now back to finishing that K3 web order page!)
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Toby Deinhardt wrote:
In any case, you're right -- if you like this idea, then reserve at
least one crystal filter slot for it.
Err...
I purchased from the first batch for two reasons:
[1] To be able to support K3 users with Ham Radio Deluxe,
[2] I expect the demand to be so great that were I to wait more than a few
weeks I could well be waiting for delivery in 2008. I am not prepared to
wait - this is a stonking radio.
Too
Here's a photo I took of the inside of the K3 at Visalia. The tour that follows is from memory,
sorry if I misremember.
http://twistedoak.typepad.com/stuff/k3inside.jpg
The front panel is at the top, and you can see four filters for the main RX behind it. I don't know
what the two daughter
Yep - but only two of the five per RX can be variable if I have
understood correctly.
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To: Toby Deinhardt [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 6:15 PM
Like Ted Williams seeing the stitches on a moving baseball, some of us
could actually see the electrons flowing from cathode to plate! We did
this at night after trudging to school and back through 2' of snow...
uphill both ways ;-)
I loved the good ole days of circuit design, but I love
Up to three of the filters can be variable-bandwidth. These filters
have an additional 4-pin connector for bandwidth control.
We have plans for at least two different types.
73,
Wayne
N6KR
On May 1, 2007, at 9:59 AM, Toby Deinhardt wrote:
Yep - but only two of the five per RX can be variable
I have done 1 to 6, homebrew receivers and transmitters without any
starting design, superhets and kilowatt transmitters,
old push pull tube stuff, pi net continuous coverage, etc,
plus the old heathkit stuff (lots of it), regens out of
encyclopedias, home made circuit board things out
of the ARRL
With bare feet of course!
Brett
N2DTS
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Where are all the parts??
Sure seems like a lot of ROOM in there!
thanks for the pix!
Brett
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If you wish to transmit in wide-band modes (AM, ESSB, FM), you'll need
to have the corresponding wide filter bandwidths installed in the main
receiver. This is because the transmitter and main receiver share the
same circuitry. By wide, I mean:
AM or ESSBKFL3A-6.0 (6 kHz)
FM
The front panel is at the top, and you can see four filters for the main
RX behind it. I don't know what the two daughter boards are.
The one on the left is the frequency reference, the one on the right is
the synthesizer. The two short standoffs to the left of the frequency
reference are
On May 1, 2007, at 10:17 AM, Brett gazdzinski wrote:
Where are all the parts??
There are several hundred SMDs on the bottom of the RF board, and
several boards you can't see :)
Sure seems like a lot of ROOM in there!
Not when you add the subreceiver, which has its own BPFs, I.F.,
Jeff Stai wrote:
Here's a photo I took of the inside of the K3 at Visalia. The tour that
follows is from memory, sorry if I misremember.
Gee, just look at all those toroids we'll miss the fun of winding
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Does that mean that if we substitute the 2.8kHz 8 pole filter for the
2.7kHz 5 pole then we'll get a slightly cleaner transmit signal, too?
73, doug
From: wayne burdick [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 10:21:38 -0700
If you wish to transmit in wide-band modes (AM, ESSB, FM),
One of our planned variable-BW filters would have a BW of about 1.6-2.4
kHz, targeted at SSB use. This is a crystal roofing filter, not a
filter downstream someplace. It would have at least 4, and possibly as
many as 8 discrete bandwidths. In effect, it's like having four (or
more) filters in
And could you use the FM filter on AM or SSB?
Thanks,
Brett
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OK, my memory is a bit flaky sometimes.
IIRC, the RX ant in/out connectors can be used for an external
front-end filter, or for a separate RX antenna system. What else can
they be used for?
73, doug
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On May 1, 2007, at 10:37 AM, Doug Faunt N6TQS wrote:
Does that mean that if we substitute the 2.8kHz 8 pole filter for the
2.7kHz 5 pole then we'll get a slightly cleaner transmit signal, too?
If the 2.8 kHz filter had any advantage over 2.7 kHz in a given mode,
that advantage would be
Wayne wrote, in part, last night:
I countered that I might just have *helped* some future engineers by
giving them something cool to start on. Something to stimulate their
imagination. And over the years this has proven to be true: I've been
contacted by many hams who hadn't built a thing until
AM, probably. I'm not sure there's a good reason to use the FM filter
in SSB mode. We'll provide more details in the FAQ.
73,
Wayne
N6KR
On May 1, 2007, at 10:45 AM, Brett gazdzinski wrote:
And could you use the FM filter on AM or SSB?
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Jeff,
Is the top of the case perforated? I'm wondering about
the air flow through the case...
Cheers,
Julius
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There is actually a step below 1 on the scale.
Remember way back, like when the ARRL started, everyone
made their own parts!
Caps, coils, batteries, resistors were all home made
in many cases.
I do my own coils and was thinking about ways I might
make some big air variable caps for a big antenna
Craig Rairdin wrote:
As an early adopter of many new devices and technologies I fully understand
that my serial number 100 device will probably require some updates, and
may require them at my expense. I refuse to demand that Elecraft cover me
like a blanket for any necessary updates. If I
I did dxpeditions in the 80's and ALWAYS carried on my TS-830, remote vfo,
keyer and paddle along with log books on the plane. YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANY
MORE ! You have monkeys pawing through your stuff every time you get on the
plane. If your radio will fit in a 2 oz. bottle it is ok :-) Oh, sure
Err, I've been on a dozen DXpeditions since 2001, and have been lucky
every time. Given an attitude about monkeys pawing through your
stuff, you probably would have problems.
Yes, it's possible that your gear will be molested or stolen, we lost
a bag of stuff at APW on this last trip, but life
I was thinking the FM filter could be used on
other modes as a wide filter. I think the K3 comes standard
with the 2.7 filter, plus just the FM filter would allow
wider bandwidths in the other modes with decreased performance.
I don't contest or DX hunt, and don't generally operate
(voice anyway)
It is, but I didn't investigate further as to the airflow. cheers! - jeff wk6i
J F wrote:
Jeff,
Is the top of the case perforated? I'm wondering about
the air flow through the case...
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How many roofing filters do you need in a K3? I would suggest one for SSB
and one for CW. What am I missing here with roofing filters. Someone with
more engineering savy should enlighten us liberal arts majors.
Lee - K0WA
In our day and age it seems that
Best bet, don't travel with a radio. PERIOD !!
Last year I took my K2 to Western Australia. It was in my carry-on on
the way over, and in my checked baggage on the way back. I flew
domestically and internationally on that trip since OZ isn't served from
Seattle.
Zero problems.
In
The first transmitter I had was completely homebrew--chassis, transformers,
even several of the coils and chokes. Several of the tuning capacitors
started out larger than neccessary, and we just pulled off rotor plates
until we got the right value. Needless to say I had help, but I did do
Hi,
Thank you all for your emails and comments on my questions. I decided
to trust the Elecraft guys and to order and pre-pay.
vy 73 Eric PA3CEV
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Depends on what you want to do. I ordered the SSB 2.8KHz filter, plus the 250 and 400Hz for RTTY and
CW contests. I'm not planning on any FM or AM use.
I like having both 250 and 400 for RTTY - sometimes one or the other BW will copy better on my
current rig depending on QRM, etc.
I'm
I just left a deposit for a K3.
My T shirt will now say:
K34ME! K24U?
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Sounds like a license plate.
You may need an annual sticker to
keep the cops from ticketing you :-)
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I just
How many roofing filters do you need in a K3?
I belong to the liberal arts faction...
In other words I don't know what I am talking about... ;-)
I ordered my K3 with the secondary RX, 6kHz Filter, FM Filter, 2x
2.7kHz and the CG frontend filter.
As for the other roofing filters, I also
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mainly because we do not know yet, when which filters will be
avaidable, and we do not have any hard data on the filters
themselves.
If no one else noticed, the web based order form has been updated, and
there is a new roofing filter mentioned: KFL3A-1.0 1 kHz, 8-pole
roofing filter
I remember hearing in one of the posts that they had been working on
this for 3 years. Would it be possible to hear an overview of their
beta testing process, how many folks were involved, maybe some
interesting anecdotes from the process? Just curious. If I'm stepping
into areas best left
I miss a 100Hz filter, which I use in the K2 all the time during contests. I
ordered the 200Hz and 400Hz filters for CW and am hoping that's what I want.
Craig
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I am offering one of my K2/100s SN 2100 for sale. This K2 has been
fully and professionally upgraded to the equivalent of the current ship
level including all A to B mods (the optional ones too), a new crystal
set and is in perfect working condition as an all band 160 through 10
meter K2
Craig Rairdin wrote:
I miss a 100Hz filter, which I use in the K2 all the time during
contests. I
ordered the 200Hz and 400Hz filters for CW and am hoping that's what I
want.
Hi Craig,
Our 200 Hz or 400 Hz filter, combined with DSP I.F. and A.F. filtering
down to 50 Hz, should handle any
Let's suppose the only crystal roofing filter you have installed is 2.8
kHz wide. You put the rig into CW (or data) mode, then dial the DSP
bandwidth down to 400 Hz. Everything will be fine -- unless an
extremely strong signal appears that's *outside* the DSP's passband but
still *inside* the
K0WA:
How many roofing filters do you need in a K3?
I would suggest one for SSB and one for CW.
That's basically correct, although it
depends on how you plan to operate (i.e. serious
low band DXing or contests versus casual operating).
Remember that a roofing filter's purpose is to
I'll bet you can order a full sett of K2 toroids that you can wind in
between assembly of the K3 :-)
73 de Tom LA1PHA
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Pardon my ignorance... I'm not completely clear on what a roofing
filter is. I understand traditional filters that control the passband
and DSP that also controls the passband through software means. But
what exactly is meant by a roofing filter? How is it different then say
the crystal CW
Well spoken John. I've been meaning to jump in here on this one as
well. As a professional and practicing electrical engineer it is
obvious to me that very few of the products that get assembled have
something new and unique, something patentable. Most are similar to
previous design efforts
OTOH,
It would cost more but for the nostalgic (or otherwise twisted) builders out
there Eric and Wayne could offer a version of the K3 kit where you get to wind
the toroids yourself...;-)
Rob
KC6ROC
Tom Arntzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'll bet you can order a full sett of K2 toroids that
AGC pumping is the problem I notice most with data modes - the roofing
filter must keep out of passband signals at a sufficiently low level to
allow copy of a weak desired signal.
Also my opinion on filters used for data modes is that they would
ideally have good group delay characteristics,
I was enthusiastically poring through the K3 information last night when
my husband came into the room. I showed him the rig and was clearly
looking a little starry-eyed. He looked at me and said, What do you
need another radio for? Your current ones work fine!
Just thought I'd share --
I know we are supossed to be sending these to Wayne, but I may need a grass
roots movement on this suggestion.
I got back to CW this year, and am pretty rusty. I also started watching
Jerico on TV. Every episode starts with a burst of CW - a little message
pertinent to that episode. The code
Tom:
Ya think we could get a TIVO backup in the K3?
It's there... if I recall, I think the K3 offers 30-seconds of RX
audio playback... maybe longer.
73,
Tom Hammond N0SS
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Here is a link to our 8-pole, 8.215 MHz, crystal filter plots. It has
now been added to the K3 page.
http://www.elecraft.com/K3/K3_8_pole_plots.htm
http://www.elecraft.com/news.htm
Also note that we follow these filters with the DSP for even more out of
band rejection and skirt steepness.
This will keep the list traffic manageable.
Thanks,
Wayne
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If you haven't discovered it yet, the K3 and accessories are now on our
on-line order form.
See: http://www.elecraft.com/elecraft_prod_list.htm
We started getting orders on-line within 1 minute of my uploading the
form. That was before we had any links referring to it on the K3 web
page. :-)
Hi all:
Well, Bill (ZV) gave a nice (brief) summary and pointed to a nice
reference. Ten Tec had (maybe it is still there) some good info also,
but specific to their radio...however, you can still use it to get a
feel for a what a roofing is (and what it isn't). If you're a
member of ARRL, go
Ed:
That reminds me of the millionaire that was being interviewed by a reporter
and the report asked him who he attributed his sucess to. He without a
pause said I owe it all to my beautiful and loving wife. Then the reporter
asked him what he was before he married her and he replied without
wayne burdick wrote:
This will keep the list traffic manageable.
rant on
I wish it would Wayne...
this is what?
your what 3rd or is it 4th attempt?
I have nothing against the K3, I'm thrilled for those that will be able to
afford one. But I have already deleted over 250 posts on K3 and
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