Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings...
I have another question that's somewhat related to my original post. I know it has been discussed many times over; that one should avoid using a mono plug in the SPKRS jack. What I'd like to know though is this: Would it be OK to use a mono plug in either front panel PHONES output, or rear panel PHONE or LINE output without fear of blowing something up? Manual says it should be fine, but just want to get confirmation beforehand that this is OK to do. Tnx! -- 73 de James K2QI President UNARC/4U1UN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings...
Re: point #2. I don't have a sub rx, so it's never been a problem for me, but I'm thinking of adding one. How does that work if there's a RTTY signal on both VFO's (simplex)? Would you have to tap AB? The manual sez Use CONFIG: LIN OUT to set the level, or to switch from a fixed-level setting to =PHONES. Does that give you a level control using the AF knob? 73, Mike NF4L On 11/26/2010 11:52 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: James, I hope your daughter is feeling better soon. Re your questions (based on my observations using sound card software on both channels from the LINE OUT jack, and stereo headphones plugged into the SPKRS jack): 1. The CONFIG:SPKRS setting only affects the rear panel SPKRS jack. It has no effect on LINE OUT. 2. None of the audio mixing or level controls has any effect on the LINE OUT signal, as far as I can tell. The left channel always carries the main RX output, and the right channel always carries the sub RX output. The LINE output is raw unmixed audio from the two receivers at a fixed level set by CONFIG:LIN OUT. 3. When CONFIG:SPKRS = 2, the SPKRS jack behaves the same as the headphone jacks. With SUB off, the main RX is in both channels, and with SUB on and the normal L-MIX-R setting, the main RX and sub RX are in left and right channels respectively. Changing the L-MIX-R setting affects the SPKRS the same way as it affects the PHONES output. When CONFIG:SPKRS = 1, the only speaker output is on the left channel of the SPKRS jack, i.e. it disables the right channel output even when SUB is on. If SUB is on, the external mono speaker on the left channel carries audio from both receivers mixed together, the same as the internal speaker. The purpose of the CONFIG:SPKRS = 1 option is to protect the speaker amp if a mono plug is plugged into the SPKRS jack. 73, Rich VE3KI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings...
I don't have a sub rx, so it's never been a problem for me, but I'm thinking of adding one. How does that work if there's a RTTY signal on both VFO's (simplex)? Would you have to tap AB? The best way to handle RTTY with signals on both receivers is to run two copies of MMTTY (or other decoder) - one for reach receiver. MixW has a dual receive capability - I don't know about any of the other software. In general, one decoder uses the soundcard left channel and the second uses soundcard right channel audio. Mixing the two audio streams does not work ... it merely results in QRM. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/27/2010 5:34 AM, Mike wrote: Re: point #2. I don't have a sub rx, so it's never been a problem for me, but I'm thinking of adding one. How does that work if there's a RTTY signal on both VFO's (simplex)? Would you have to tap AB? The manual sez Use CONFIG: LIN OUT to set the level, or to switch from a fixed-level setting to =PHONES. Does that give you a level control using the AF knob? 73, Mike NF4L On 11/26/2010 11:52 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: James, I hope your daughter is feeling better soon. Re your questions (based on my observations using sound card software on both channels from the LINE OUT jack, and stereo headphones plugged into the SPKRS jack): 1. The CONFIG:SPKRS setting only affects the rear panel SPKRS jack. It has no effect on LINE OUT. 2. None of the audio mixing or level controls has any effect on the LINE OUT signal, as far as I can tell. The left channel always carries the main RX output, and the right channel always carries the sub RX output. The LINE output is raw unmixed audio from the two receivers at a fixed level set by CONFIG:LIN OUT. 3. When CONFIG:SPKRS = 2, the SPKRS jack behaves the same as the headphone jacks. With SUB off, the main RX is in both channels, and with SUB on and the normal L-MIX-R setting, the main RX and sub RX are in left and right channels respectively. Changing the L-MIX-R setting affects the SPKRS the same way as it affects the PHONES output. When CONFIG:SPKRS = 1, the only speaker output is on the left channel of the SPKRS jack, i.e. it disables the right channel output even when SUB is on. If SUB is on, the external mono speaker on the left channel carries audio from both receivers mixed together, the same as the internal speaker. The purpose of the CONFIG:SPKRS = 1 option is to protect the speaker amp if a mono plug is plugged into the SPKRS jack. 73, Rich VE3KI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings...
Mike, Thanks for pointing that out - I had completely forgotten about that option. I guess it's time I printed out a new copy of the manual! Of course, that changes the answer to James' question #2; if you want the LINE output to be a clone of the headphones output, set CONFIG:LIN OUT to =PHONES. With CONFIG:LIN OUT =PHONES, when the subRX is off, the main RX is in both channels. This setting seems tailor-made for James' situation (listening to speakers through a sound card). For digital modes, as Joe has pointed out, when SUB is on, you use the two channels to feed two independent copies of MMTTY (or other software). You do not want any mixing of the two signals. Also, you do not want the volume control to affect the audio level going into the decoder. If you use the audio pitch as a tuning aid, you want the ability to turn the audio down or to change the balance between the two channels without interrupting the ongoing decoding of both signals. When SUB is off, you only use (or need) one channel in the sound card. The right channel waterfall just goes black when the sub RX is off. You can use two different decoding algorithms on a single signal by running two (or more) independent decoding programs (e.g. two or more separate copies of MMTTY using different profiles) from a single channel in the sound card. 73, Rich VE3KI NF4L wrote: Re: point #2. I don't have a sub rx, so it's never been a problem for me, but I'm thinking of adding one. How does that work if there's a RTTY signal on both VFO's (simplex)? Would you have to tap AB? The manual sez Use CONFIG: LIN OUT to set the level, or to switch from a fixed-level setting to =PHONES. Does that give you a level control using the AF knob? __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings...
Joe, if you mean stand alone MMTTY, I don't understand. I wouldn't want to copy copy both signals. Each copy of MMTTY could use a different sound card (given 2 sound cards) but still no way to direct sound by channel. I suppose the Windoze mixer could be used to set the balance. Or cut a wire in the audio cable. All that strikes me as a kludge, but I certainly don't have a better solution. :-( Mike NF4L On 11/27/2010 8:14 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: I don't have a sub rx, so it's never been a problem for me, but I'm thinking of adding one. How does that work if there's a RTTY signal on both VFO's (simplex)? Would you have to tap AB? The best way to handle RTTY with signals on both receivers is to run two copies of MMTTY (or other decoder) - one for reach receiver. MixW has a dual receive capability - I don't know about any of the other software. In general, one decoder uses the soundcard left channel and the second uses soundcard right channel audio. Mixing the two audio streams does not work ... it merely results in QRM. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/27/2010 5:34 AM, Mike wrote: Re: point #2. I don't have a sub rx, so it's never been a problem for me, but I'm thinking of adding one. How does that work if there's a RTTY signal on both VFO's (simplex)? Would you have to tap AB? The manual sez Use CONFIG: LIN OUT to set the level, or to switch from a fixed-level setting to =PHONES. Does that give you a level control using the AF knob? 73, Mike NF4L On 11/26/2010 11:52 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: James, I hope your daughter is feeling better soon. Re your questions (based on my observations using sound card software on both channels from the LINE OUT jack, and stereo headphones plugged into the SPKRS jack): 1. The CONFIG:SPKRS setting only affects the rear panel SPKRS jack. It has no effect on LINE OUT. 2. None of the audio mixing or level controls has any effect on the LINE OUT signal, as far as I can tell. The left channel always carries the main RX output, and the right channel always carries the sub RX output. The LINE output is raw unmixed audio from the two receivers at a fixed level set by CONFIG:LIN OUT. 3. When CONFIG:SPKRS = 2, the SPKRS jack behaves the same as the headphone jacks. With SUB off, the main RX is in both channels, and with SUB on and the normal L-MIX-R setting, the main RX and sub RX are in left and right channels respectively. Changing the L-MIX-R setting affects the SPKRS the same way as it affects the PHONES output. When CONFIG:SPKRS = 1, the only speaker output is on the left channel of the SPKRS jack, i.e. it disables the right channel output even when SUB is on. If SUB is on, the external mono speaker on the left channel carries audio from both receivers mixed together, the same as the internal speaker. The purpose of the CONFIG:SPKRS = 1 option is to protect the speaker amp if a mono plug is plugged into the SPKRS jack. 73, Rich VE3KI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings...
I suppose the Windoze mixer could be used to set the balance. Or cut a wire in the audio cable. You don't want to mix the signals ... they would QRM each other. I can't see any reason for mixing them and running independent copies of MMTTY or MixW in the dual channel mode is the best way to select the signal. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/27/2010 8:58 AM, Mike wrote: Joe, if you mean stand alone MMTTY, I don't understand. I wouldn't want to copy copy both signals. Each copy of MMTTY could use a different sound card (given 2 sound cards) but still no way to direct sound by channel. I suppose the Windoze mixer could be used to set the balance. Or cut a wire in the audio cable. All that strikes me as a kludge, but I certainly don't have a better solution. :-( Mike NF4L On 11/27/2010 8:14 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: I don't have a sub rx, so it's never been a problem for me, but I'm thinking of adding one. How does that work if there's a RTTY signal on both VFO's (simplex)? Would you have to tap AB? The best way to handle RTTY with signals on both receivers is to run two copies of MMTTY (or other decoder) - one for reach receiver. MixW has a dual receive capability - I don't know about any of the other software. In general, one decoder uses the soundcard left channel and the second uses soundcard right channel audio. Mixing the two audio streams does not work ... it merely results in QRM. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/27/2010 5:34 AM, Mike wrote: Re: point #2. I don't have a sub rx, so it's never been a problem for me, but I'm thinking of adding one. How does that work if there's a RTTY signal on both VFO's (simplex)? Would you have to tap AB? The manual sez Use CONFIG: LIN OUT to set the level, or to switch from a fixed-level setting to =PHONES. Does that give you a level control using the AF knob? 73, Mike NF4L On 11/26/2010 11:52 PM, Richard Ferch wrote: James, I hope your daughter is feeling better soon. Re your questions (based on my observations using sound card software on both channels from the LINE OUT jack, and stereo headphones plugged into the SPKRS jack): 1. The CONFIG:SPKRS setting only affects the rear panel SPKRS jack. It has no effect on LINE OUT. 2. None of the audio mixing or level controls has any effect on the LINE OUT signal, as far as I can tell. The left channel always carries the main RX output, and the right channel always carries the sub RX output. The LINE output is raw unmixed audio from the two receivers at a fixed level set by CONFIG:LIN OUT. 3. When CONFIG:SPKRS = 2, the SPKRS jack behaves the same as the headphone jacks. With SUB off, the main RX is in both channels, and with SUB on and the normal L-MIX-R setting, the main RX and sub RX are in left and right channels respectively. Changing the L-MIX-R setting affects the SPKRS the same way as it affects the PHONES output. When CONFIG:SPKRS = 1, the only speaker output is on the left channel of the SPKRS jack, i.e. it disables the right channel output even when SUB is on. If SUB is on, the external mono speaker on the left channel carries audio from both receivers mixed together, the same as the internal speaker. The purpose of the CONFIG:SPKRS = 1 option is to protect the speaker amp if a mono plug is plugged into the SPKRS jack. 73, Rich VE3KI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings...
I'm not suggesting mixing signals, in fact I'm trying to arrive at a method of conveniently eliminating one of them. I just looked into MMTTY and saw (for the first time) the ability to select mono, left, or right. Kewl! :-P 73, Mike NF4L On 11/27/2010 9:26 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: I suppose the Windoze mixer could be used to set the balance. Or cut a wire in the audio cable. You don't want to mix the signals ... they would QRM each other. I can't see any reason for mixing them and running independent copies of MMTTY or MixW in the dual channel mode is the best way to select the signal. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/27/2010 8:58 AM, Mike wrote: Joe, if you mean stand alone MMTTY, I don't understand. I wouldn't want to copy copy both signals. Each copy of MMTTY could use a different sound card (given 2 sound cards) but still no way to direct sound by channel. I suppose the Windoze mixer could be used to set the balance. Or cut a wire in the audio cable. All that strikes me as a kludge, but I certainly don't have a better solution. :-( Mike NF4L On 11/27/2010 8:14 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: I don't have a sub rx, so it's never been a problem for me, but I'm thinking of adding one. How does that work if there's a RTTY signal on both VFO's (simplex)? Would you have to tap AB? The best way to handle RTTY with signals on both receivers is to run two copies of MMTTY (or other decoder) - one for reach receiver. MixW has a dual receive capability - I don't know about any of the other software. In general, one decoder uses the soundcard left channel and the second uses soundcard right channel audio. Mixing the two audio streams does not work ... it merely results in QRM. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings...
Mike, I don't understand why you think there is a problem. I guess I don't understand what you are trying to do. The hardware setup to use both receivers in RTTY is simple, and no different from what you use with a single receiver - a single stereo cable from the K3's LINE OUT to the sound card's LINE IN for receive, a single mono (or stereo) cable from the sound card's LINE OUT to the K3's LINE IN for AFSK transmit, and use RTS on the radio control port for PTT. Or, if you prefer FSK, replace the AFSK transmit cable with FSK and PTT keying circuits to the AUX input. There is no need for a second sound card, no need to cut cables, no need to use a mixer to adjust balance. You set up one copy of MMTTY to receive using only the left channel of a single sound card, and a separate copy of MMTTY to receive using only the right channel of the same sound card. The two operate entirely independently. One decodes the signal from the main receiver, the other one from the sub receiver. If you only want to copy one signal, just don't look at the output from the other copy of MMTTY, or if you find it distracting, just turn SUB off and/or close down the second copy of MMTTY. From N1MM Logger, you can open two Entry windows, one for each VFO, and open a separate Digital Interface window from each Entry window, with separate copies of MMTTY each configured to use the appropriate channel of the sound card. You can receive on both receivers at once, and choose which one to transmit to with the \ key. Or, if you only want to use one VFO, just close down the second Entry window. 73, Rich VE3KI NF4L wrote: All that strikes me as a kludge, but I certainly don't have a better solution. :-( __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings...
Richard, The problem is, as usual, my lack of understanding of how something works. Now that I realize that MMTTY can select either channel, I get it. Unfortunately my PSK software can't do that. :-( Thanks to both you and Joe for the guidance. 73, Mike NF4L On 11/27/2010 10:54 AM, Richard Ferch wrote: Mike, I don't understand why you think there is a problem. I guess I don't understand what you are trying to do. The hardware setup to use both receivers in RTTY is simple, and no different from what you use with a single receiver - a single stereo cable from the K3's LINE OUT to the sound card's LINE IN for receive, a single mono (or stereo) cable from the sound card's LINE OUT to the K3's LINE IN for AFSK transmit, and use RTS on the radio control port for PTT. Or, if you prefer FSK, replace the AFSK transmit cable with FSK and PTT keying circuits to the AUX input. There is no need for a second sound card, no need to cut cables, no need to use a mixer to adjust balance. You set up one copy of MMTTY to receive using only the left channel of a single sound card, and a separate copy of MMTTY to receive using only the right channel of the same sound card. The two operate entirely independently. One decodes the signal from the main receiver, the other one from the sub receiver. If you only want to copy one signal, just don't look at the output from the other copy of MMTTY, or if you find it distracting, just turn SUB off and/or close down the second copy of MMTTY. From N1MM Logger, you can open two Entry windows, one for each VFO, and open a separate Digital Interface window from each Entry window, with separate copies of MMTTY each configured to use the appropriate channel of the sound card. You can receive on both receivers at once, and choose which one to transmit to with the \ key. Or, if you only want to use one VFO, just close down the second Entry window. 73, Rich VE3KI NF4L wrote: All that strikes me as a kludge, but I certainly don't have a better solution. :-( __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings...
I just looked into MMTTY and saw (for the first time) the ability to select mono, left, or right. Kewl! :-P Yes, if you're not trying to copy both signals at the same time (e.g., split RTTY DX), you can use MMTTY's ability to select Left or Right to select Main/Sub without running two copies. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/27/2010 10:45 AM, Mike wrote: I'm not suggesting mixing signals, in fact I'm trying to arrive at a method of conveniently eliminating one of them. I just looked into MMTTY and saw (for the first time) the ability to select mono, left, or right. Kewl! :-P 73, Mike NF4L On 11/27/2010 9:26 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: I suppose the Windoze mixer could be used to set the balance. Or cut a wire in the audio cable. You don't want to mix the signals ... they would QRM each other. I can't see any reason for mixing them and running independent copies of MMTTY or MixW in the dual channel mode is the best way to select the signal. 73, ... Joe, W4TV On 11/27/2010 8:58 AM, Mike wrote: Joe, if you mean stand alone MMTTY, I don't understand. I wouldn't want to copy copy both signals. Each copy of MMTTY could use a different sound card (given 2 sound cards) but still no way to direct sound by channel. I suppose the Windoze mixer could be used to set the balance. Or cut a wire in the audio cable. All that strikes me as a kludge, but I certainly don't have a better solution. :-( Mike NF4L On 11/27/2010 8:14 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: I don't have a sub rx, so it's never been a problem for me, but I'm thinking of adding one. How does that work if there's a RTTY signal on both VFO's (simplex)? Would you have to tap AB? The best way to handle RTTY with signals on both receivers is to run two copies of MMTTY (or other decoder) - one for reach receiver. MixW has a dual receive capability - I don't know about any of the other software. In general, one decoder uses the soundcard left channel and the second uses soundcard right channel audio. Mixing the two audio streams does not work ... it merely results in QRM. 73, ... Joe, W4TV __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings...
On Nov 27, 2010, at 11/275:14 AM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote: MixW has a dual [RTTY] receive capability - I don't know about any of the other software. On the Mac OS X side, cocoaModem has two independent receive channels in the wideband RTTY and the dual RTTY interfaces. There are two identical sets of user interfaces in a single window -- this gets rid of the window focus problem of running multiple copies of a software modem. There are two cross ellipses, independent mark and space tones, baud rate, and filter settings -- you can even run 75 baud and Mark-only on one decoder, while running 45.45 baud and Mark/Space decoding on the other. In the case of wideband RTTY, there are independent waterfalls. Dual RTTY decode has been in practice in some time now. In the old days, it was done with multiple TU -- this is one of the reasons why normally sane people have multiple HAL ST-8000 in the shack. Just like other modes, having concurrent receive capability on on both the DX and a split pile reduces doubling. Using multiple TU back then required manually scanning the pileup using the VFO knob. If you have a waterfall that is watching the pile, you can pretty much pinpoint the DX's QSX by watching where a signal appears in the pileup waterfall right after the DX finishes sending his exchange. A software modem that is capable of agile transmit can then pounce on that QSX (or find the next hole in the direction the DX is tuning). It used to be like shooting fish in a barrel for people with two RTTY decoders and agile receive (e.g., waterfall tuning) to work the split RTTY pileups. Just ask RTTY DXers who have been using cocoaModem's wideband RTTY interface. But more people have that capability today (what with the Flex-5000 and the LP-PAN), to the point that if you don't have dual decoding and agile tuning capability, you are now at a distinct disadvantage. Of course you need a sound card that has two or more inputs (or a digital interface like the microKeyer/digiKeyer). Some of the cheaper digital interfaces are only wired for a single input channel, even when the codec is a stereo one. 73 Chen, W7AY __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings...
No suggestions? Hope everyone had a good thanksgiving. I know mine is about to start; my 11mo daughter just came home from pediatric ICU. I am thankful for that. 73, James K2QI On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 10:19 PM, James Sarte (K2QI) k2qi@gmail.comwrote: Curious thing I noticed today; plugged in my headphones only to continue hearing monoraul audio coming out of my PC's speakers. It took me a second to realize that audio from the K3 was being piped out of the LINE OUT jack in the rear, into my PC's input, and out to the two speakers I have sitting on my desk. At first I thought it was strange that the audio I was hearing was only coming out of the left speaker rather than both. I checked the manual and after a few minutes of reading realized that under normal situations, activating the SUB would provide the right channel. I then started playing around a bit more, and figured I'd post this question to the group just to make sure I understand how these functions work properly. My experimentation led me to the SPKRS settings which was currently set at 1. With the SUB off, I changed the speaker setting to 2 but no change; audio was still being heard on the left speaker and not the right. Am I then correct in my assumption that the speakers setting has no bearing on the actual number of channels being output from the LINE OUT jack? This brings me to my second question - is there a way to get both L and R channel audio output to the LINE OUT jack just from the main receiver without the SUB being activated? My last question, does the SPEAKERS setting only affect the SPKR OUT jack on the rear panel? According to the manual, leaving it at 1 will only provide one channel of audio. Would setting it to 2 provide both LR channels to the speakers regardless of SUB activation? Mni tnx es happy thanksgiving. -- 73 de James K2QI President UNARC/4U1UN -- 73 de James K2QI President UNARC/4U1UN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings...
James, I hope your daughter is feeling better soon. Re your questions (based on my observations using sound card software on both channels from the LINE OUT jack, and stereo headphones plugged into the SPKRS jack): 1. The CONFIG:SPKRS setting only affects the rear panel SPKRS jack. It has no effect on LINE OUT. 2. None of the audio mixing or level controls has any effect on the LINE OUT signal, as far as I can tell. The left channel always carries the main RX output, and the right channel always carries the sub RX output. The LINE output is raw unmixed audio from the two receivers at a fixed level set by CONFIG:LIN OUT. 3. When CONFIG:SPKRS = 2, the SPKRS jack behaves the same as the headphone jacks. With SUB off, the main RX is in both channels, and with SUB on and the normal L-MIX-R setting, the main RX and sub RX are in left and right channels respectively. Changing the L-MIX-R setting affects the SPKRS the same way as it affects the PHONES output. When CONFIG:SPKRS = 1, the only speaker output is on the left channel of the SPKRS jack, i.e. it disables the right channel output even when SUB is on. If SUB is on, the external mono speaker on the left channel carries audio from both receivers mixed together, the same as the internal speaker. The purpose of the CONFIG:SPKRS = 1 option is to protect the speaker amp if a mono plug is plugged into the SPKRS jack. 73, Rich VE3KI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings...
Thank you Rich, My daughter had a severe case of bronchiolitis. I'm happy to say that she's on the mend back at home. Also, I'm grateful for your reply to my questions. You have confirmed my assumptions. 73 and Happy Holidays, James K2QI Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Richard Ferch ve3...@storm.ca Sender: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 23:52:09 To: elecraft@mailman.qth.netelecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings... James, I hope your daughter is feeling better soon. Re your questions (based on my observations using sound card software on both channels from the LINE OUT jack, and stereo headphones plugged into the SPKRS jack): 1. The CONFIG:SPKRS setting only affects the rear panel SPKRS jack. It has no effect on LINE OUT. 2. None of the audio mixing or level controls has any effect on the LINE OUT signal, as far as I can tell. The left channel always carries the main RX output, and the right channel always carries the sub RX output. The LINE output is raw unmixed audio from the two receivers at a fixed level set by CONFIG:LIN OUT. 3. When CONFIG:SPKRS = 2, the SPKRS jack behaves the same as the headphone jacks. With SUB off, the main RX is in both channels, and with SUB on and the normal L-MIX-R setting, the main RX and sub RX are in left and right channels respectively. Changing the L-MIX-R setting affects the SPKRS the same way as it affects the PHONES output. When CONFIG:SPKRS = 1, the only speaker output is on the left channel of the SPKRS jack, i.e. it disables the right channel output even when SUB is on. If SUB is on, the external mono speaker on the left channel carries audio from both receivers mixed together, the same as the internal speaker. The purpose of the CONFIG:SPKRS = 1 option is to protect the speaker amp if a mono plug is plugged into the SPKRS jack. 73, Rich VE3KI __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
[Elecraft] [K3] Line out, speakers, and L-mix-R settings...
Curious thing I noticed today; plugged in my headphones only to continue hearing monoraul audio coming out of my PC's speakers. It took me a second to realize that audio from the K3 was being piped out of the LINE OUT jack in the rear, into my PC's input, and out to the two speakers I have sitting on my desk. At first I thought it was strange that the audio I was hearing was only coming out of the left speaker rather than both. I checked the manual and after a few minutes of reading realized that under normal situations, activating the SUB would provide the right channel. I then started playing around a bit more, and figured I'd post this question to the group just to make sure I understand how these functions work properly. My experimentation led me to the SPKRS settings which was currently set at 1. With the SUB off, I changed the speaker setting to 2 but no change; audio was still being heard on the left speaker and not the right. Am I then correct in my assumption that the speakers setting has no bearing on the actual number of channels being output from the LINE OUT jack? This brings me to my second question - is there a way to get both L and R channel audio output to the LINE OUT jack just from the main receiver without the SUB being activated? My last question, does the SPEAKERS setting only affect the SPKR OUT jack on the rear panel? According to the manual, leaving it at 1 will only provide one channel of audio. Would setting it to 2 provide both LR channels to the speakers regardless of SUB activation? Mni tnx es happy thanksgiving. -- 73 de James K2QI President UNARC/4U1UN __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
