] Prospective K4
Howdy Gang.
I’ve built and owned Elecraft gear since 1999.
Still have my KX3 and KX2.
I bought a Flex 6600M rig and it was the best radio I’ve owned in years.
But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode and
used the internal ATU a loud relay would
Let's let the speculative K4 threads rest for now to relieve email overload for
our other readers. Its has exceeded their threshold of pain.
73,
Eric
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> for efficient for 5W and 20W to 50W operation.
This is not what is needed in a top of the line transceiver.
Give me a 48V final capable of 200 W CW/SSB/FSK and forget about low power
consumption portable operation. The KX2/K3/K
I'm holding out for the KX9, the one with noetic circuits printed directly
on the space-time continuum. It's fantastic, but the K9S has the
hyperspatial roofing filter system that filters out bad intent from a CW
sender's subconscious.
On Mon, May 6, 2019 at 10:14 AM Gwen Patton wrote:
> I'm
K4? What a piece of junk. The KX5 will the ultimate radio!
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73, Bill KT5TE
On Sunday, May 5, 2019 7:46:34 PM CDT Bert wrote:
> There are dreamers and there are dreamers!
>
> Bert VE3NR
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This is really funny I think:
Saturday we were sitting in a McDonalds waiting for a ham swap to open. Up
drove a large SUV pulling a 24’ trailer and then pulled in two very new Jeeps
all outfitted of off roading. I estimated that guys hobby (they were all alike
and traveling as a group)
One of the nicest and funny message i ever read from an OM. ;-)
Thanks Bob.
Graziano IW2NOY
Il 06/05/2019 03:37 Bob McGraw K4TAX ha scritto:
That's the reason I purchased my K3S, P3, KPA500 and KAT500 all within
the past 2 years. At 77 years young, I figure it will be my last ham
radio
On 5/5/2019 1:19 PM, Doug Hensley wrote:
That much of my investment is going to go "poof" when a new model suddenly hits
the market
One of the things my mother taught me (she was an accountant) is that
houses are not an investment, they are a HOME to be enjoyed. The same is
true of things
That's the reason I purchased my K3S, P3, KPA500 and KAT500 all within
the past 2 years. At 77 years young, I figure it will be my last ham
radio station until I'm QRT. I used a P-Touch and put a nice label
with the model, s/n, and price paid and my call on each of the boxes.
I figure in
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There are dreamers and there are dreamers!
Bert VE3NR
On 5/5/2019 8:02 PM, Richards wrote:
"... what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop to
once a K4 has spread its wings ?"
About $15.
Everyone will want the new model, so
"... what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop to
once a K4 has spread its wings ?"
About $15.
Everyone will want the new model, so you won't get much for the old
one! So ... Perhaps you should offer to sell your K3S to me now
First, radios are like government spending, neither are investments; stocks and
bonds are investments. Radios are toys, so we need to examine how much money we
can afford to squander on playthings.
Sorry, I can't predict the future but I can examine the past. In 1998, I
bought a Kenwood
Authors often have literary executors to deal with their papers when they die.
I might suggest that all of us work out an arrangement where one or more hams
are identified to help with gear dispersal after we are gone. Make sure the
spouse and heirs are informed of this.
David K0LUM
> On
g, but you are
not investing. Investments either appreciate in value, return dividends, or
both.
73 de RayK2ULRKX3 #211
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From: David Gilbert
To: elecraft
Sent: Sun, May 5, 2019 5:38 pm
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
If you based your buying decision on whether or no
Elecraft has been good about keeping earlier products available, at least until
some part becomes impossible for them to source. I sincerely hope the K3s
remains among the product offerings, as a new bigger radio will be less
suitable for some portable uses even if it is designesd with
K1's often go for more than they cost as a new kit.
K2's have held there value very well.
Wait til you find out your kids usually throw all your ham gear in a
dumpster when you go permanent QRT.
Eric KE6US
On 5/5/2019 1:19 PM, Doug Hensley wrote:
Has anyone got a good handle on how much
If you based your buying decision on whether or not it would hold value
as an investment instead of whether or not it met your needs, then yes,
I think you may not have properly considered everything.
Dave AB7E
On 5/5/2019 1:19 PM, Doug Hensley wrote:
Has anyone got a good handle on
Here we go again with K4 Talk
The "jury" seems split on touch-screen or manual controls. I suggest
this as a compromise:
Provide basic radio (say 50w with 13.8v output devices for portable
use). I bought a K3/10 to start out. Then a KXPA100.
Offer 200w 50v final as option.
Basic radio
.
Original message From: Wayne Burdick Date:
05/05/2019 13:11 (GMT-05:00) To: pu...@af2z.net Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 > Drew AF2Z
wrote:> > I've never doubted that Elecraft would produce a
great CW rig, if not the best!> > The
Has anyone got a good handle on how much the value of a K3 dropped after the
K3S had established itself ?
If so, what can we expect the average value of a K3S to drop once a K4 has
spread its wings & shared its eggs ? And how much further down in value is
that going to push the venerable old
> for efficient for 5W and 20W to 50W operation.
This is not what is needed in a top of the line transceiver.
Give me a 48V final capable of 200 W CW/SSB/FSK and forget about low
power consumption portable operation. The KX2/K3/K3/K3S already
serves the low power/portable niche.
73,
...
] Prospective K4 > Drew AF2Z
wrote:> > I've never doubted that Elecraft would produce a
great CW rig, if not the best!> > The only thing I'd be concerned about is the
operator interface. Not really looking forward to touchscreen controls here,
though I suppose they are inevitable in mo
Many HAMs use transceiver with language barrier. That goes so far that
they use it with one setup, that might be the wrong one for a given
frequency or antenna or mode. With Windows they choose their own
language when they set up the PC to make the life easier. That may not
work every time,
Well said, Scott
73
K0PP
On Sun, May 5, 2019, 12:29 Scott Manthe wrote:
> Elecraft's design philosophy is based on efficiency and portability. If
> an 8 inch screen could be made to be efficient enough to use in the
> filed, I see no reason why Elecraft couldn't incorporate it into a new
And easy on a battery for field operation, < 400mA Receive and optimal
PA biasing for efficient for 5W and 20W to 50W operation.
John KN5L
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Elecraft's design philosophy is based on efficiency and portability. If
an 8 inch screen could be made to be efficient enough to use in the
filed, I see no reason why Elecraft couldn't incorporate it into a new
rig. However, I don't think you're going to see Elecraft doing what
every other
Most “pure” SDRs (using wideband direct sampling and no crystal filters)
process all incoming receive samples in large packets.This provides some
economies of scale for signal processing algorithms, but it does impact
latency. In some cases the impact can be dramatic – like 100 to 200 ms QSK
using 50V devices... and predistortion..( probaby an internal
upverter for the 50V) = very low distortion
On 5/5/2019 1:04 PM, Gary K9GS wrote:
While we're providing input.200W all mode continuous duty outputExternal 48V
power supply73,Gary K9GS
Hi Wayne,
On 5/5/19 1:03 PM, Wayne Burdick wrote:
Grant Youngman wrote:
Flex has always had issues with CW — QSK with too much latency to work to, now,
clunky QSK?
That latency is due to processing even the demodulation channels in the
frequency domain.
Can you explain this a little
How are you liking the radio performance wise? I assume you have a K3 with
which to compare.
Wes N7WS
On 5/5/2019 8:54 AM, Macy monkeys wrote:
8" display with 3D spectrum scope. I'm enjoying it on the FTDX101D while I wait
for the K4...
John K7FD
> Drew AF2Z wrote:
>
> I've never doubted that Elecraft would produce a great CW rig, if not the
> best!
>
> The only thing I'd be concerned about is the operator interface. Not really
> looking forward to touchscreen controls here, though I suppose they are
> inevitable in modern rigs.
While we're providing input.200W all mode continuous duty outputExternal 48V
power supply73,Gary K9GS
Original message From: Bert Craig Date:
5/5/19 11:52 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Rose , Wayne
Burdick Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4 Tnx Wayne
History is replete with examples of companies that refused, at their own peril,
to embrace emerging technologies. This stubbornness, I suspect, was born out
of a sense of technological arrogance.
In the early 1970s, the Swiss watch industry, enamored with their mechanical
movements, refused
Grant Youngman wrote:
>
>>>
>>> But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode and
>>> used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW
>>> characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX.
>>>
>
> Lousy QSK makes it
Tnx Wayne! This is pretty much it in a nutshell. I appreciate this
"designed-by-CW-ops" ideology.
Vy 73 de Bert
WA2SI
-Original Message-
From: Wayne Burdick
To: Rose
Cc: Bert Craig , Elecraft Reflector
Sent: Sun, 05 May 2019 11:40
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Prospective K4
I've never doubted that Elecraft would produce a great CW rig, if not
the best!
The only thing I'd be concerned about is the operator interface. Not
really looking forward to touchscreen controls here, though I suppose
they are inevitable in modern rigs. And I don't care to have my rig
>>
>> But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode and
>> used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking when sending CW
>> characters, messing with the normally quiet QSK changeover from RX to TX.
>>
Lousy QSK makes it a non-starter. Flex has always had
8" display with 3D spectrum scope. I'm enjoying it on the FTDX101D while I wait
for the K4...
John K7FD
> On May 5, 2019, at 8:36 AM, Joseph Trombino, Jr wrote:
>
> Howdy Gang.
>
> I’ve built and owned Elecraft gear since 1999.
>
> Still have my KX3 and KX2.
>
> I bought a Flex 6600M rig
My personal opinion is Flex is too much computer. I hate computers. My
operating time has done n nothing but decrease since I bought a computer.
This is ham RADIO, not ham computer.
And while I'm at it, You kids get off my lawn!!
73,
Dave, K4TO
On Sun, May 5, 2019 at 11:37 AM Joseph
All future Elecraft radios will have the same “designed-by-CW-ops” performance,
and the same attention to detail in CW controls, regardless of any new
technology we incorporate. They will have to pass our own rigorous testing. And
they will certainly not exhibit any of the deficiencies mention
Howdy Gang.
I’ve built and owned Elecraft gear since 1999.
Still have my KX3 and KX2.
I bought a Flex 6600M rig and it was the best radio I’ve owned in years.
But Flex messed with the firmware to where if you were in full QSK mode and
used the internal ATU a loud relay would start clicking
Bert,
Then why not just purchase the Flex?
73 !
K0PP
On Sun, May 5, 2019, 09:11 Bert Craig wrote:
> I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig
> purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the
> Flex reflector. (See link below.) It
I'm in the comparison stage of planning my next, and likely final, HF rig
purchase. While researching my options, I came across this comment on the Flex
reflector. (See link below.) It occurs to me that the next logical progression
from the K3S might likely be something along the lines of a
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