Re: [EM] Gerrymandering solutions.

2012-06-07 Thread Bob Richard
the largest plurality at the expense of everybody else. How can you think otherwise? --Bob Richard Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

[EM] Yee diagrams and Condorcet (was Centrist vs. non-Centrists (was A distance based method))

2011-07-13 Thread Bob Richard
the help of a rule for handling cycles. --Bob Richard Of course if we have a multiwinner method, we don't want all of the winners concentrated in the center of the population. That's why we have Proportional Repsentation. Also the purpose of stochastic single winner methods (lotteries

Re: [EM] Yee diagrams and Condorcet (was Centrist vs. non-Centrists (was A distance based method))

2011-07-13 Thread Bob Richard
orthogonal. It results from the fact that voters are normally distributed on both dimensions. --Bob Richard On 7/13/2011 2:19 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Bob Richard wrote: On 7/13/2011 11:14 AM, fsimm...@pcc.edu wrote: Jameson, I'm surprised that you consider a Condorcet method to be too

Re: [EM] Learning from IRV's success

2011-07-07 Thread Bob Richard
It turns that real live voters (including real live politicians) care a lot about the later-no-harm criterion, even if they don't know what it's called. --Bob Richard On 7/7/2011 3:43 PM, Juho Laatu wrote: I actually already touched this question in another mail. And the argument

Re: [EM] a question about apportionment

2011-04-16 Thread Bob Richard
for using the square root of anything. --Bob Richard On 4/16/2011 5:11 PM, Evan Dower wrote: What are the reasons behind the square roots and cube roots? Can you point me toward some research papers or something please? Also, in tiered representation, I would expect the representatives at one

Re: [EM] a question about apportionment

2011-04-16 Thread Bob Richard
that is eligible to vote (that is, count as constituents) is never exactly half. --Bob Richard On 4/16/2011 6:26 PM, Evan Dower wrote: Thanks! Unfortunately, it seems to be an expensive and difficult-to-find book. Most things I've been able to find in the last 45 minutes (obviously not very long) seems

Re: [EM] Fair and Democratic versus Majority Rules

2010-11-15 Thread Bob Richard
purpose is to propose measures to be voted on in referenda. I don't think it can work for deciding who gets to run the executive branch. --Bob Richard A simple baseline method for accomplishing this goal is the random ballot method. But there are other methods that accomplish the same thing

Re: [EM] breakdown of Oakland mayor ballots

2010-11-13 Thread Bob Richard
the final round totals, and they do match the November 10 final round totals. See here: http://www.acgov.org/rov/rcv/results/rcvresults_2984.htm --Bob Richard On 11/13/2010 10:31 AM, robert bristow-johnson wrote: On Nov 13, 2010, at 1:20 PM, Bob Richard wrote: On 11/13/2010 8:09 AM

Re: [EM] Polls: Australians want to abandon IRV (instant runoff voting); French want score voting

2010-11-06 Thread Bob Richard
Did the polling organization ask any questions about keeping AV but dropping the requirement that the voter rank all candidates? --Bob Richard On 11/6/2010 10:57 AM, Warren Smith wrote: A telephone poll was conducted in Australia of 1202 random people. professionally done, attempting to get

Re: [EM] Proportional Representation Systems I'd Support

2010-03-23 Thread Bob Richard
Google turned up this description of the Swiss electoral system: http://www.democracy-building.info/particularities-switzerlands-proportional-election-system.html I haven't seen this website before. The rest of it looks pretty basic. --Bob Richard James Gilmour wrote: Raph Frank Sent

Re: [EM] Burlington Vermont repeals IRV 52% to 48%

2010-03-03 Thread Bob Richard
(to the candidates and voters as well as the government). A refinement on this is the double complement rule, described here: http://fruitsandvotes.com/?p=546 I'm not supporting either the double complement rule or the 40% threshold. I'm just reporting what I know about the rationale. -- Bob

Re: [EM] Burlington Vermont repeals IRV 52% to 48%

2010-03-03 Thread Bob Richard
not endorsing it. I agree with Matt Shugart on a lot of things, but not on this. --Bob Richard Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [EM] Burlington Vermont repeals IRV 52% to 48%

2010-03-02 Thread Bob Richard
that would account for such a difference in turnout? --Bob Richard robert bristow-johnson wrote: Well, that's sad. Even with a sorta narrow victory the anti-IRVers will swagger down Church Street like they own the place. We will now all accept that God instituted the traditional ballot

Re: [EM] First Condorcet cycle ever spotted in a national presidential election (!?! apparently)

2009-12-07 Thread Bob Richard
--Bob Richard Warren Smith wrote: I am currently working on writing a paper on this election. In the event you or anybody can find more poll data, that'd help. I'd be especially interested if anybody can find a range-voting-style poll. I'm handicapped by lack of knowledge of the Romanian

Re: [EM] National Popular Vote Condorcet

2009-07-01 Thread Bob Richard
for formalizing analysis, not a recommendation. Yes. --Bob Richard Paul Kislanko wrote: Yes, as usual I wasn't very clear. The way that SHOULD have been worded is: One can use plurality to count any kind of ranked ballots, but only plurality to count plurality ballots. One can use approval to count

Re: [EM] simple definition of Schulze method?

2009-06-04 Thread Bob Richard
in the cities, or other executive offices? That's where a Condorcet-compliant method might be an improvement. I say might be because the importance of Condorcet compliance relative to other criteria is hotly debated, including in this forum. --Bob Richard Árpád Magosányi wrote: Hi! I am planning

Re: [EM] Good news - BC voters reject STV

2009-05-15 Thread Bob Richard
agendas, both would fade in the absence of partisan political motivations. --Bob Richard James Gilmour wrote: Anthony O'Neal Sent: Friday, May 15, 2009 7:04 PM This is sad news, no matter what the anti-STV fanatics say. STV had flaws, it's still a far better system than FPP. The anti-STV

Re: [EM] British Colombia considering change to STV

2009-04-30 Thread Bob Richard
, then of course you will oppose STV (along with all other methods of proportional representation). If you prefer the former, then you have some homework to do. Allocating seats in proportion to votes means, by definition, that some winners will be opposed by a majority of voters. --Bob Richard Kathy Dopp

Re: [EM] Why the concept of sincere votes in Range is flawed.

2009-01-25 Thread Bob Richard
of the remaining candidates. Otherwise, the ability to order all of the candidates does not follow from the ability to pick one from a list longer than the list in the current iteration. --Bob Richard Jonathan Lundell wrote: On Jan 25, 2009, at 3:50 PM, James Gilmour wrote: Jonathan Lundell

Re: [EM] Looking for a paper on Plurality Block Voting and US municipal elections that was noted on this list a while back

2008-10-23 Thread Bob Richard
list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info -- Bob Richard Marin Ranked Voting P.O. Box 235 Kentfield, CA 94914-0235 415-256-9393 http://www.marinrankedvoting.org Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

[EM] Bullet voting/truncation in Condorcet elections (was Re: NPV vs Condorcet)

2008-10-22 Thread Bob Richard
or reasoning behind this? Thanks, Bob Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote: Bob Richard wrote: I'm obviously missing something really, really basic here. Can someone explain to me what it is? Take it from the FPTP count and recount it into the N*N array by Condorcet rules ... I still have no idea

Re: [EM] NPV vs Condorcet

2008-10-20 Thread Bob Richard
to visit the cities, because they could reach many voters in little time; and thus the effect would move from being biased away from cities (in the large states) to being biased towards them. Better might be a weighted vote (but who'd set the weights?). -- Bob Richard Marin Ranked Voting P.O. Box

Re: [EM] NPV vs Condorcet

2008-10-20 Thread Bob Richard
: On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 19:51:55 -0700 Bob Richard wrote: Some states may not be up to Condorcet instantly. Let them stay with FPTP until they are ready to move up. Just as a Condorcet voter can choose to rank only a single candidate, for a state full of such the counters can

Re: [EM] Fwd: FW: IRV Challenge - Press Announcement

2008-10-08 Thread Bob Richard
/IRV%20lawsuit_FVM%20Reply_0.pdf Kathy Dopp's affidavit may be the only one submitted so far. I'm not aware of any others. http://electionmathematics.org/em-IRV/Affadavit-KD-0929-v7.pdf -- Bob Richard Marin Ranked Voting P.O. Box 235 Kentfield, CA 94914-0235 415-256-9393 http

Re: [EM] FW: IRV Challenge - Press Announcement

2008-10-08 Thread Bob Richard
unconstitutional for the same reasons. I don't recall any arguments in the plaintiff's briefs that are said to apply to one and not the other. -- Bob Richard Marin Ranked Voting P.O. Box 235 Kentfield, CA 94914-0235 415-256-9393 http://www.marinrankedvoting.org Raph Frank wrote: So, this is a legal test

Re: [Election-Methods] voting research

2008-08-03 Thread Bob Richard
Kathy, I didn't write the comments you respond to below. I don't have any of the previous posts available to me so I can't look up who did. I'm also going to be away from email for tne next two weeks. --Bob Richard Kathy Dopp wrote: -- Message: 3 Date: Sat, 02

Re: [Election-Methods] voting research

2008-08-02 Thread Bob Richard
Warren Smith wrote: 1. USUALLY it is EASY to find a BETTER-than-honesty strategy in IRV. This is not just me ranting. It is in fact a published theorem. Please post a citation of this published source others can find it. Thanks in advance. --Bob Richard Election-Methods mailing list