Re: [Election-Methods] RE : Best electoral system under real circumstances

2007-11-19 Thread Diego Santos
2007/11/19, Kevin Venzke [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I don't remember that it is possible for surplus transfers to go to different parties. According Brazilian law, parties of same coalition are counted as a single party. After elections, is not rare these parties to separate to opposite political

Re: [Election-Methods] RE : Is this Condorcet method reasonable?

2007-11-30 Thread Diego Santos
can encourage people to bullet their vote. Diego Santos Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [Election-Methods] Is this Condorcet method reasonable?

2007-11-30 Thread Diego Santos
2007/11/30, Steve Eppley [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, In Diego Santos' example (below) the A voters who strategically downranked B had a strong incentive not to do so, assuming they were aware the B voters intended to truncate. This highlights some advantages of the truncation strategy used

[Election-Methods] Is this Condorcet method reasonable?

2007-11-30 Thread Diego Santos
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[Election-Methods] Is the Condorcet winner always the best?

2007-12-10 Thread Diego Santos
candidate. This simple rule also solves DH3 pathology. Diego Santos Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-21 Thread Diego Santos
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Re: [Election-Methods] Borda-elimination, a Condorcet method for public elections?

2007-12-21 Thread Diego Santos
A correction: 2007/12/22, Diego Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Ian, I do not understand your argument. Borda elimination is not so simple to comprehend for all voters. If is not possible to use Schulze or MAM in an election, perhaps pairwise sorted plurality would be a easy alternative

[Election-Methods] Smith + mono-add-top?

2007-12-31 Thread Diego Santos
always Minimax(margins) and Smith//Minimax(margins) winners are potential, although Markus said that no known method passes both criteria -- Diego Santos Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list info

Re: [Election-Methods] RE : Smith + mono-add-top?

2008-01-01 Thread Diego Santos
), d(1,3) eliminated c(5): b(3,7), e(5,9) d(3): c(3,5) e(9): b(1,7), d(9,3) eliminated f(7): b(7,7), c(1,5), d(1,3), e(1,9) c beats a, d and f, then c is elected. Diego Santos Election-Methods mailing list

[Election-Methods] My method unfortunately does not meet mono-add-top

2008-01-01 Thread Diego Santos
When I tried to formulate a proof I realized some can became uneliminated and defeat the previous winner. I will try other rules or proof the imcompatibility of mono-add-top and Smith if its exists. Diego Santos Election-Methods mailing list - see http

Re: [Election-Methods] Local representation

2008-07-17 Thread Diego Santos
2008/7/17 [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Juho wrote: I can see three different local/personal representation concepts here. (just to clarify my thoughts, and maybe help some others too) I think a better way of breaking down those options would be based on the how the seats are allocated. The whole

Re: [EM] Fixing Range Voting

2008-10-16 Thread Diego Santos
2008/10/16 Brian Olson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Oct 15, 2008, at 1:59 PM, Peter Barath wrote: I'm not sure I would vote honestly in such circumstance. Let my honest rangings be: 100 percent for my favourite but almost chanceless Robin Hood 20 percent for the frontrunner Cinderella 0 percent

Re: [EM] Range Voting vs Condorcet (Greg Nisbet)

2008-10-16 Thread Diego Santos
Jobst, 2008/10/16 Jobst Heitzig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Raph, you wrote: The thing is that in such a case, it isn't really a single 'demos'. It is two groups voting as one. Do you mean to say democracy is only for societies which are sufficiently homogeneous? That doesn't help

[EM] About Condorcet//Approval

2008-10-18 Thread Diego Santos
Many members of this list prefer a Condorcet method to any other voting method, especially if it meets Smith. But how vulnerable are ranked methods to strategic voting? Consider these two assumptions: 1. Sincere Condorcet cycles would are too rare if used in real elections. 2. Strategies are

Re: [EM] Voting Theory and Populism

2008-10-18 Thread Diego Santos
2008/10/17 Raph Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] So my list is something like 1++: Approval + top-2 runoff 1+: Range 1-: Approval 1--: Condorcet 2: IRNR (pending more info) 3: IRV Raph, you should see my Improved Approval Runoff. This method avoids that the approval winner competes in the

Re: [EM] Voting Theory and Populism

2008-10-18 Thread Diego Santos
Hi Raph, 2008/10/18 Raph Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:45 PM, Diego Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Raph, you should see my Improved Approval Runoff. This method avoids that the approval winner competes in the runoff with his/her/its clone. This method, I assume

Re: [EM] About Condorcet//Approval (RF)

2008-10-18 Thread Diego Santos
of the cycle. DWK Dave, I think approval winner outside Condorcet cycle is too rare in real elections. On Sat, 18 Oct 2008 20:46:11 + (GMT) Kevin Venzke wrote: Hi Raph, --- En date de : Sam 18.10.08, Raph Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] a écrit : On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Diego Santos

Re: [EM] Voting Theory and Populism

2008-10-18 Thread Diego Santos
is in the runoff. Then IAR reduces the probability that a candidate wins because of strategic nomination. 2008/10/18 Raph Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Diego Santos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Raph, 2008/10/18 Raph Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] What strategy is it designed

Re: [EM] Voting Theory and Populism

2008-10-19 Thread Diego Santos
2008/10/19 Raph Frank [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, Oct 19, 2008 at 4:18 PM, Kevin Venzke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I haven't read closely enough. I thought the method was to simply have a runoff between the top two approved candidates. In the example mentioned, it didn't seem to me

Re: [EM] How to convert to utf or pdf? (was Re: Who comes second in Ranked Pairs?)

2008-10-20 Thread Diego Santos
I use PDF 995: http://www.pdf995.com/download.html 2008/10/20 Steve Eppley [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Jonathan Lundell wrote: On Oct 18, 2008, at 9:07 AM, Steve Eppley wrote: (It's best viewed with the Internet Explorer browser, I think, since it uses a Microsoft character set where Greek

Re: [EM] About Condorcet//Approval

2008-10-20 Thread Diego Santos
2008/10/20 Kristofer Munsterhjelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] You could also have the approval version of Smith,IRV. Call it Condorcet,Approval. I think it's Smith (so it would be Smith,Approval), but I'm not sure. The method is this: Drop candidates, starting with the Approval loser and moving

Re: [EM] Methods for Senators, governors, etc.

2008-11-02 Thread Diego Santos
2008/11/2 Kristofer Munsterhjelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dave Ketchum wrote: A few thoughts: Plurality or Approval cannot fill need. IRV uses about the same ballot as Condorcet - but deserves rejection for its method of counting. Condorcet can - but I am trying to word this to also

Re: [EM] name of multi-winner method

2008-11-16 Thread Diego Santos
I think this method is Warren Smith's multiwinner poorest firstasset voting with predefined lists. 2008/11/16 Jobst Heitzig [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi Kristofer, That's just the multiwinner adaptation of IRV. I don't think so! The point is that the *candidates* provide the ranking from which

Re: [EM] Multiwinner Condorcet generalization on 1D politics

2009-02-17 Thread Diego Santos
preferences are added until some candidadate reaches the quota. But, instead of this candidate is considered elected, the candidate with the least sum is eliminated. Some examples with this method has generated good outcomes. Diego Santos Election-Methods mailing list

Re: [EM] Multiwinner Condorcet generalization on 1D politics

2009-02-17 Thread Diego Santos
2009/2/17 Kristofer Munsterhjelm km-el...@broadpark.no Diego Santos wrote: 2009/2/15 Dan Bishop danbisho...@gmail.com mailto:danbisho...@gmail.com STV-CLE just happens to work the best when the political spectrum is one-dimensional: Candidates are eliminated at the ends

[EM] New PR method

2009-02-18 Thread Diego Santos
12.39: DCBA 1st stage - A: 1260.39, B: 1685.93, C: 1236.39, D: 429.67 B reaches the quota at the first stage, then it is elected. Final outcome: {E, B}. Plain STV elects {B, C} Diego Santos Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list