Richard Stallman writes:
> > PCI compliance is not required by law but is considered
> > mandatory through court precedent.
>
> The crucial questions would be: required _of whom_, in what circumstances?
If I understood it correctly, it’s required of the platform. They do not
have
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> PCI compliance is not required by law but is considered
> mandatory
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> > "Note: To be PCI compliant, you must load
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> >
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> > "Note: To be PCI compliant, you must load
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> "Note: To be PCI compliant, you must load Stripe.js directly from
>
Ihor Radchenko writes:
"Thomas S. Dye" writes:
Nevertheless, it is good to know that I'm free to give up
freedoms
to contribute to Org mode development. @Ihor, will Paypal work
for you?
Yep. Currently, Paypal is the only option (apart from direct
bank
transfers) that works for me.
"Thomas S. Dye" writes:
> Nevertheless, it is good to know that I'm free to give up freedoms
> to contribute to Org mode development. @Ihor, will Paypal work
> for you?
Yep. Currently, Paypal is the only option (apart from direct bank
transfers) that works for me.
See
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> That’s when banks take up Taler. Before they do, any intermediary can
> take
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> It seems odd that our embrace of software freedom
Richard Stallman writes:
> Wow! If that is what it might be, it would be great news. But we had
> better verify it carefully, because it sounds too good to be true.
> Would someone like to check the details thoroughly?
I'm afraid it is, indeed, too good to be true. The README at
Richard Stallman writes:
> > GNU Taler requires an intermediary to clear the coins.
>
> I am not sure what that means. Could you state in different words
> what job that "intermediary" would do?
>
> In fact, the Taler developers are hoping that banks will play two
> roles: issuing Taler
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I am not sure what that
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> > As it happens though, Stripe seem to have open sourced all of their
frontend
Richard Stallman writes:
> Meanwhile, we have a potential solution for donating money: GNU Taler.
> It shows promise, for the long term: even national banks are starting
> to get interested in it. (See taler.net.) But banking systems are
> not set up to interact with it today.
GNU Taler
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> However, if the web pages for a GNU package
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> It seems odd that our embrace of software freedom should keep us
> from
On 7/4/2022 08:38, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
Timothy writes:
In this entire 40+ message thread, only two options have been listed (besides
the FSF’s special arrangement) which do not direct people to non-free JS:
Cryptocurrancy
Which is volatile in value, regional regulation, and
Timothy writes:
> In this entire 40+ message thread, only two options have been listed (besides
> the FSF’s special arrangement) which do not direct people to non-free JS:
> Cryptocurrancy
> Which is volatile in value, regional regulation, and
> individual distaste.
> Cheques
>
"Thomas S. Dye" writes:
> Yes, your Chinese bank charges exorbitant fees for cashing US
> checks. That won't work.
>
> It seems odd that our embrace of software freedom should keep us
> from collaborating as fully as we'd like.
I think that the last resort not involving non-free software is
Hello All,
I’ve been viewing this thread with trepidation for a while, and I’ve reached
a point where I feel compelled to add another 2c of mine.
> It’s about the GNU Project’s moral stand (nonfree software is an
> injustice, and encouraging people to use it is wrong), and what
> follows from
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> I don't see this discussion leading to anything if it is only about
> personal
Jean Louis writes:
> On 2022-06-20 04:22, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
>> Cryptocurrencies are easier in terms of software freedom, but their
>> legal status is not stable (e.g. cryptocurrency is illegal in the
>> country I now live in).
>
> Are you sure? Look at this here:
>
On 2022-06-20 04:22, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
Cryptocurrencies are easier in terms of software freedom, but their
legal status is not stable (e.g. cryptocurrency is illegal in the
country I now live in).
Are you sure? Look at this here:
Hello,
For some reason, I increased the score of an email, when the body of the
email contains "discouraged" :-). The argument raised by Timothy
particularly interesting.
So I've taken the time to read this thread again to understand better
the issue.
As far as I understand, there is
Ihor Radchenko writes:
Thomas Dye writes:
Aloha Ihor,
If you like, please send a mailing address privately. I’ll
happily contribute to support your good work on Org mode.
Thanks for the offer!
I afraid that sending a check to me specifically is not a good
idea,
especially from a
> > Bank uses free software on their system?
>
> I suppose that would depend on the bank. It's the bank's affair.
> If the bank's software is free, the bank enjoys freedom.
> Otherwise, the nonfree software denies the bank freedom.
>
> Either way, it has no effect on us. We are not running
Thomas Dye writes:
> Aloha Ihor,
>
> If you like, please send a mailing address privately. I’ll happily contribute
> to support your good work on Org mode.
Thanks for the offer!
I afraid that sending a check to me specifically is not a good idea,
especially from a person based in USA.
I know
Aloha Ihor,
If you like, please send a mailing address privately. I’ll happily contribute
to support your good work on Org mode.
All the best,
Tom
> On Jul 1, 2022, at 5:57 PM, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
>
> Richard Stallman writes:
>
>>> Clarification: Links to Liberapay do work without
Richard Stallman writes:
> > Clarification: Links to Liberapay do work without running non-free
> > software (you can try opening the link yourself). It is only the payment
> > process that does not work.
>
> I am using metonymy, saying "the link works" to mean "the link's
> functionality
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> Bank uses free software on their system?
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> Clarification: Links to Liberapay do work without running non-free
> software
My two cents on this:
* Why not just have a single fallback person that takes the hit of having to
use a JS based payment method in the meantime?
* Or why not just keep the address and encourage mailing donations themselves
to a single location (probably FSF office, no?)
I might not know
On 6/30/2022 23:53, Tim Cross wrote:
Richard Stallman writes:
I agree that links to liberapay might someday work without the donor's
running nonfree software. But that is not likely to occur this year,
and for it to occur in this decade is a long shot.
So please don't put links to
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>
> > I do make a serious point: by linking to
Richard Stallman writes:
> I agree that links to liberapay might someday work without the donor's
> running nonfree software. But that is not likely to occur this year,
> and for it to occur in this decade is a long shot.
>
> So please don't put links to liberapay into GNU package web pages.
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> I do make a serious point: by linking to liberapay who are actively
>
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> > > Yes, sad to say they should not directly
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> > Yes, sad to say they should not directly offer donation methods.
> So they
On 6/27/2022 21:54, Ihor Radchenko wrote:
Michael Powe writes:
Anyone completely serious about a refusal to use nonfree tools for
making donations will send a check in the mail, literally.
Would providing something like
"Contact us via email if you prefer to make a donation using
"Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" writes:
> [[PGP Signed Part:Undecided]]
>
> Richard Stallman writes:
>
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>> [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to
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>
> > AFAIU, there are no nonfree payment
>
>
> > AFAIU, there are no nonfree payment services, except some crypto
> > payments.
>
> In Europe, at least, there is bank transfer. If you go to a bank
> branch, I think, you can do transfers to someone else's account without
> running any particular software.
Bank uses free software on
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> AFAIU, there are no nonfree payment services, except some crypto
> payments.
Tim Cross writes:
> Given that the FSF has a link to PayPal on their donations page , I
> think we can do the same for the org project. All that is required is
> that we do like the FSF does and put a bit of text beside it stating
> "Not recommended - requires nonfree Javascript".
> I also
Michael Powe writes:
> Anyone completely serious about a refusal to use nonfree tools for
> making donations will send a check in the mail, literally.
Would providing something like
"Contact us via email if you prefer to make a donation using alternative
mechanism"
help if we add such
On 6/27/2022 19:42, Tim Cross wrote:
Tom Gillespie writes:
GNU packages should not steer people towards running nonfree software.
As a consequence, they should not suggest people donate using payment services
that _require_ the donor to run a nonfree program.
A slight variant of Ihor's
Tom Gillespie writes:
>> GNU packages should not steer people towards running nonfree software.
>> As a consequence, they should not suggest people donate using payment
>> services
>> that _require_ the donor to run a nonfree program.
>
> A slight variant of Ihor's question.
>
> While GNU
> GNU packages should not steer people towards running nonfree software.
> As a consequence, they should not suggest people donate using payment services
> that _require_ the donor to run a nonfree program.
A slight variant of Ihor's question.
While GNU packages should not steer people toward
Richard Stallman writes:
> GNU packages should not steer people towards running nonfree software.
> As a consequence, they should not suggest people donate using payment services
> that _require_ the donor to run a nonfree program.
AFAIU, there are no nonfree payment services, except some
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> > Is it possible to make a donation through Liberapay without running
> > any
briangpowell writes:
> I respect your position & predicament
> ...
> Suggest you stay away from PayPal & ALL the other methods you
> suggested--PayPal for example has been shutting down the accounts of
> "freedom fighters" & can & will continue to do so whenever they wish, for
> whatever reason
Understood Ihor
I respect your position & predicament
But I've published my public key address; I know you're an avid & prolific
donor of free software--watch your code donations submitted daily--I'll
continue to support free software forever of course & thanks very much to
RMS & the FSF for
Richard Stallman writes:
> > I have been recently exploring Liberapay and stumbled upon
> > https://liberapay.com/about/teams.
>
> Is it possible to make a donation through Liberapay without running
> any nonfree software? Including nonfree Javascript software send
> by the site itself?
>
>
Yuge fan of RMS, Richard M Stallman & the OrgMode community--long time user
of GNU software & OrgMode
As always, much agree with RMS
But, suggest donations to support free software be made using Monero--I use
the open source "MyMonero" wallet software; its cryptocurrency
software--its free &
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> I have been recently exploring Liberapay and stumbled upon
>
Hi Ihor,
Ihor Radchenko writes:
> I have been recently exploring Liberapay and stumbled upon
> https://liberapay.com/about/teams.
>
> It is possible to create a "team" and distribute the donations across
> multiple developers. I believe that it is one of a simple (from
> perspective of user)
Dear All,
Please drop c.bu...@posteo.jp from the CC list in the future replies. (I
am asking on behalf of c.bu...@posteo.jp)
Best,
Ihor
Bastien writes:
> If one day more Org contributors appear on a Worg page where they
> advertize their need for donations (and I encourage Org contributors
> to add such a page), I would have no problem with links to donations
> services that are not aligned with GNU standards.
I have been
> "Bradley M. Kuhn" writes:
> > I generally recommend PayPal to projects that want to minimize
> > proprietary Javascript because you cn often make it all the way through a
> > PayPal transaction (if you already have a PayPal account with a credit
> > card attached and you're in the USA) with
"Bradley M. Kuhn" writes:
> I'd be glad to discuss how I've come to these assessments in more detail if
> that's useful to the discussion. (However, I won't have time to check back
> into this thread until Tuesday due to a deadline.)
>
> I generally recommend PayPal to projects that want to
Max Nikulin writes:
> Actually I considered Atom and VS Code (that are still on the main page)
> quite similar. I admit that they are open source, but are available
> packages are really free? Maybe my opinion was just distorted by a
> mention of a project aiming to remove telemetry code from
On 2/28/2022 00:41, Richard Stallman wrote:
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The FSF accepts credit card payments without Javascript, thanks to a
special
Richard Stallman writes:
> So I wouldn't insist on (2)
> when deciding whether to buy something or donate to a cause.
When the cause is about supporting Free Software contributors, I think
it's good to favor donation services that support Free Software, hence
the choice for promoting the
On Sun, 27 Feb 2022, 17:19 Bastien Guerry, wrote:
> Jean Louis writes:
>
> > Open up few crypto accounts and let people donate their crypto money
> > as well.
>
> I'm not in favor of this.
>
+1. I assume this conversation is supposed to be ethically driven, and
cryptocurrencies are at least
Jean Louis writes:
> Open up few crypto accounts and let people donate their crypto money
> as well.
I'm not in favor of this.
--
Bastien
On 2/27/2022 07:58, Timothy wrote:
Hi Max,
I guess we shall remove references to non-free software (like the
Sublime Text editor - I will do this later on.)
Frankly speaking, I never considered mention of sublime text in such context as
endorsing it. Even though such linking might cause
Hi Max,
I guess we shall remove references to non-free software (like the
Sublime Text editor - I will do this later on.)
> Frankly speaking, I never considered mention of sublime text in such context
> as
> endorsing it. Even though such linking might cause transition in both
>
I guess we shall remove references to non-free software (like the
Sublime Text editor - I will do this later on.)
Ihor Radchenko writes:
Sounds reasonable.
On 26/02/2022 15:57, Bastien wrote:
Done.
Frankly speaking, I never considered mention of sublime text in such
context as
I'm a happy org-mode user who usually just lurks on the list, but I have some
expertise of note to share on the issue of taking donations and proprietary
Javascript.
I've spent much time over the last 25 years working for and/or helping to run
various non-profit organizations related to FOSS.
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> I think we should consider two separate issues: (1) whether the
> donation
Open up few crypto accounts and let people donate their crypto money as well.
Jean
Hi Christian,
writes:
> I am not in position to tell someone how to run their projects.
You are definitly in position to share suggestions, like anyone else,
and we collectively discuss them on this list.
I explained a bit more why I took the decision to remove the GitHub
Sponsor and the
Hi Ihor,
Ihor Radchenko writes:
> To clarify, I did not intend to make you remove those links, but rather
> wanted to hear your opinion and open a discussion.
Sorry if I seemed to act upon this too hastily.
Here is my opinion on the matter.
I think we should consider two separate issues: (1)
Dear folks,
I really have to apologize after sleeping one night over that topic. I
feel a bit ashamed or intimidated; not sure if these are the correct
terms to express my feelings.
In short: My goal was to learn not to troll!
On 2022-02-25 18:39 Bastien Guerry wrote:
> I've removed the GitHub
CCing RMS as this discussion might be of interest for him.
The previous emails in the thread are in
https://list.orgmode.org/b074b191-b06f-928d-284c-7a7ee5d97...@ctpowe.net/T/#u
Bastien Guerry writes:
> Thanks for raising this issues.
>
> Ihor Radchenko writes:
>
>> Fair point. Paypal requires
Thanks for raising this issues.
Ihor Radchenko writes:
> Fair point. Paypal requires non-free javascript. Github as well,
> AFAIK.
I've removed the GitHub Sponsors and Paypal links from orgmode.org.
I've not removed the link to https://liberapay.com: I suppose it is
usable without requiring
Hello,
There's an old joke, that C allows you to blow your own foot off, and
C++ allows you to blow off the whole leg. The FSF is like the C++ of the
free software world. Whatever your feelings about PayPal - I avoid it
like plague - it's ubiquitous in the web world of donations. In fact,
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