RE: Shield Room Lighting

2002-10-31 Thread Gary McInturff
Well, except for the cold inrush current wear. I always left my lights off when I wasn't working in the chamber. A camera still allowed me to monitor equipment activity, which was either on a CRT or indicator lights. Fluorescents can indeed cause a large problem, but generally

Circuit pack ESD drain

2002-10-31 Thread David Heald
All, Does anyone know of a sample waveform or general characteristics for worst case VI on an ESD drain pin when a circuit pack is inserted into an equipment shelf? This is an odd question I know, but my management asked for the info and I really have no idea (and it shouldn't happen anyway

Re: CE marking/testing of military equipment

2002-10-31 Thread John Allen
Hi Folks Sorry - it's me again.! 'Her Majesty's Stationery Office' (HMSO is NOT the goverment standards group - it is the official government REGULATIONS publiishing site and is just like the Government Printing Office (at least, I think that is what it is called) in Washington etc. Also, I

Re: CE marking/testing of military equipment

2002-10-31 Thread John Allen
Hi Folks Sorry the first message today was incomplete - here is the full version: I fully support Nick's observations. In respect of the comments made by Gert, I would like to point out that the UK appears to be not the only Member country that has taken advantage of Article 223 , and those

Re: CE marking/testing of military equipment

2002-10-31 Thread John Allen
Hi Folks I fully support Nick's observations. In respect of the other comments, the UK is not the only Member country that has taken advantage of Article 223 , and those countries are Full members - not half-members - so the comments are unjustiable. Finally, it should be remembered (as I

RE: Shield Room Lighting

2002-10-31 Thread Price, Ed
I think that another factor in shortening the life of incandescent lights is the fact that they are usually mounted in a heavy glass protective fixture. These glass globes offer a bit more safety from physical damage, and also look nicer than a bare light bulb in a socket. But the light bulb runs

SV: Surge - injection point on screened cable

2002-10-31 Thread amund
Hello Kevin, That's correct, we do not have 20 different fire detectors (only 5-6), but in addition we have some sounders, manual call point, address units, fire door controllers, etc. And of course the fire alarm panel (control and indicating equipment). The cable screen is connected to earth

Re: Official Languages of Countries

2002-10-31 Thread Hans Mellberg
the CIA website has great descriptions of each country. Yes, that CIA!!! http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/index.html --- Stephen Irving sirv...@lutron.com wrote: Hello everyone. My name is Steve Irving, and I am new to this forum. Does anyone know where to find a reliable,

RE: Shield Room Lighting

2002-10-31 Thread POWELL, DOUG
All, I've had at least three requests for sources on bulbs and possibly more requests on the way. So I'll reply to the group instead of individually. By the way, oven, refrigerator, garage door, and drop light bulbs did not work for me. They were rugged use but apparently not rugged enough. In

Re: CCC mark testlab cetification

2002-10-31 Thread Leslie Bai
Fred, You raised a good point here by answering Chet's questions. Here is the update of CNCA accreditation. Since CCC was initially anounced to be implemented in May, the whole system was actually not ready at that time even the cost of testing and certification were not defined until late

Re: CCC mark testlab cetification

2002-10-31 Thread Leslie Bai
Hi Chet, To get an overview of CCC regulations, download this file: http://www.siemic.com/Original%20files/CCC%20mark.pdf I just want to remind you that some other regulation may be applicable to your products in addition to CCC, particularly, the MPS regulations on security products. For a

Official Languages of Countries

2002-10-31 Thread Stephen Irving
Hello everyone. My name is Steve Irving, and I am new to this forum. Does anyone know where to find a reliable, up-to-date list of the official languages of each country? This list would be useful to people selling products internationally, as many standards require instructions in the

RE: Shield Room Lighting

2002-10-31 Thread richwoods
We have the same frequent burn out problem and we also have attributed it to the filters. We just keep replacing them. Has anyone tried the rugged bulbs marketed for use with garage door openers or ceiling fans or have tried the extended life bulbs? Do they last longer in chamber use to justify

RE: Shield Room Lighting

2002-10-31 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
We use four florescent screw-in lights in our 3-metre chamber and detect some emission 3dB or so above the noise floor. Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Member Technical Staff Engineering Services Xantrex Technology Inc. -Original Message- From: POWELL, DOUG [mailto:doug.pow...@aei.com] Sent:

Re: CCC mark testlab cetification

2002-10-31 Thread Fred Borda
Hi Chet, The set of documents published by CNCA, the authority that administers the CCC mark scheme in China, is available in English at: http://www.typeapproval.com/cn/emc.html The document labeled Regulations for CPCS.pdf is the overall regulations guiding the regime. It addresses type

RE: Surge - injection point on screened cable

2002-10-31 Thread Juhasz, John (IndSys, GE Interlogix)
With respect to 'alarm systems' - EN 50130-4 is the applicable technical standard. However, 50130-4 refers to the IEC 1000/EN61000 series specs, 'but with modifications'. Let's take for instance the 1000-4-5 Surge spec that Amund referenced. In EN 50130-4, the following is stated: The test

CCC mark testlab cetification

2002-10-31 Thread Summers, Chet
Hello Listmembers. I am researching the procedures needed to obtain the CCC mark for shipment of CCTV equipment into China and need some guidance from those experienced in the process. First, which Chinese document explicitly mandates type testing within China? I have read from various

Re:RE: EN61000-3-3 -3-11 off topic a bit!

2002-10-31 Thread brian_kunde
I was just looking through my new copy of IEC61000-3-3:1994+A1:2001 standard. Under section 1 SCOPE, in the forth paragraph, it refers to the 3-11 standard this way; Part 3-11 is applicable to equipment with rated input current less than or equal to 75 A per phase and subject to conditional

RE: Surge - injection point on screened cable

2002-10-31 Thread richwoods
This is a good example of an inarticulate clause in a standard. One sentence in clause 7.5 reads Normally, the maximum length of the specified shielded cable shall be used. But the following sentence reads With respect to the frequency spectrum of the surge 20 m length of the specified shielded

RE: CE marking/testing of military equipment/off topic

2002-10-31 Thread Grasso, Charles
Hmm conferred by the Pope? I thought be generated the CofE in direct conflict to the Catholic Church... Best Regards Charles Grasso Senior Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706-5467 Fax: 303-799-6222 Cell: 303-204-2974 Email: charles.gra...@echostar.com; Email

Shield Room Lighting

2002-10-31 Thread POWELL, DOUG
Greetings all, I wanted to share an experience and I hope benefits someone else. My past experience with shield room lighting is that incandescent bulbs frequently burn out, about once every 2-3 months. I tried ruggedized lamps of various sorts, still with the same results. Obviously, I

Re: CE marking/testing of military equipment/off topic

2002-10-31 Thread Cortland Richmond
Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth Second of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (G*d help us); Defender Of The Faith Funny you should mention that; it relates to certain matters under discussion here. Did you know that the first British monarch to bear the title Defender Of The

Another interesting UK vacancy

2002-10-31 Thread james collum
I was reading the news.bbc.uk web page today (again). I followed the link from the Apache helicopters parked in shed due to the lack of pilots story, this led me to Westland Helicopters. They have a vacancy posted for an EMC engineer at the HNC+ some experience level. I wish I could spot jobs in

RE: CE marking/testing of military equipment

2002-10-31 Thread Nick Williams
The UK's position is consistent with the provisions of, inter alia, article 223 of the Treaty of Rome and is therefore entirely legal. I shall not dignify the remaining comments by replying to them. They are unworthy of a forum such as this. Regards Nick. At 07:23 +0100 31/10/02, Gert

RE: EN61000-3-3 -3-11 off topic a bit!

2002-10-31 Thread David Heald
But when was the last time you saw a plug rated (just a random example) 250V 3(phase)Y 75A when it means 25A per phase? the 75A rating is definately 'per phase'. -Original Message- From: Spencer, David H [mailto:david.spen...@usa.xerox.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 8:16 AM To:

Re: CE marking/testing of military equipment/off topic

2002-10-31 Thread Ted Rook
Not only that but when a King succeeds to the throne it will become His Majesty's Stationery Office. Yep it is a bit quaint but the organization was up to date the last time I contacted them. Your Humble Servant Ted Rook A Subject of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth Second of The United Kingdom of

Surge - injection point on screened cable

2002-10-31 Thread amund
According to IEC/EN 61000-4-5, the surge pulse shall be injected onto a screened cable 20 meters from the DUT. We have a fire alarm system with 20 detectors connected on the same screened cable, 1.5 meters between each detector. We have been told from the local test lab that we have to add a 20m

RE: Temp/Humidity Meter

2002-10-31 Thread Price, Ed
-Original Message- From: HALL,KEN (HP-Roseville,ex1) [mailto:ken_h...@hp.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 4:32 PM To: 'POWELL, DOUG' Cc: 'g...@microprecision.com'; Emc-Pstc (E-mail) Subject: RE: Temp/Humidity Meter Hello, We buy Radio Shack and others and have them calibrated

RE: EN61000-3-3 -3-11 off topic a bit!

2002-10-31 Thread Spencer, David H
I've just looked at all the draft copies of this standard(that I have), and the older version TR IEC 1000-3-5. Still only says 75amps. Again no per phase. I would have to say if TC77A wanted it to say 75A per phase, it would be in there. Regards Dave Spencer -Original Message-

Re: CE marking/testing of military equipment

2002-10-31 Thread Luke Turnbull
I believe that the Germans insist on military equipment being CE marked. UK military equipment needs to comply with Def Stan 59-41 for EMC requirements. Find it at www.dstan.mod.uk Luke Turnbull plaw...@west.net 10/30/02 05:48pm I have a customer asking for CISPR 22 test results on a

Re: CE marking/testing of military equipment

2002-10-31 Thread John Woodgate
I read in !emc-pstc that plaw...@west.net wrote (in aun0su4ie5qe20vnk5b p66i32clboe7...@4ax.com) about 'CE marking/testing of military equipment' on Wed, 30 Oct 2002: PS: I love the Brits - who else would title the government standards group 'Her Majesty's Stationery Office'! It isn't the

RE: CE marking/testing of military equipment

2002-10-31 Thread Gert Gremmen
Hi Patrick, This text is British law,en the Uk is only a half member of the EC. This law is is not backed up by the EMC directive European Text. It is therefore contradictory to the EC membership requirements and theoretically illegal. But who will complain, as it is not creating trade barriers,

Re: EN61326:1997 Planning

2002-10-31 Thread Lfresearch
And you seem to have forgotten that Schaffner also have products that compete for these test too Frank. lol Derek. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at:

Re: EN61326:1997 Planning

2002-10-31 Thread Michael Hopkins
Didn't forget at all. there are 7 or 8 manufacturers that can supply this equipment. Mike Hopkins - Original Message - From: Frank Krozel fr...@electronicinstrument.com To: Mike Hopkins michael.hopk...@thermo.com; 'Bill Flanigan' bflani...@ameritherm.com;

RE: Measuring AC Line Impedance

2002-10-31 Thread Ralph McDiarmid
I would have expected that the inductance would dominate the branch impedance at line frequency and its harmonics. Ralph McDiarmid, AScT Member Technical Staff Engineering Services Xantrex Technology Inc. www.xantrex.com -Original Message- From: John Woodgate

Re: Temp/Humidity Meter

2002-10-31 Thread Electrical-Safety - Bill Addiss
Here are some EXTECH brand meters, somewhat mingled under Moisture Meters and Thermometers: http://www.electrical-contractor.net/the_store/EX/HMoisture_Main.htm http://www.electrical-contractor.net/the_store/EX/Therm_Main.htm Bill Addiss At 10:44 AM 10/30/02 -0800, Flinders, Randall wrote:

Re: measuring AC line impedance (:-)

2002-10-31 Thread Ken Javor
I did that once. I had been measuring resistance and then needed to measure ac outlet potential, but forgot to change the meter knob position. Now I have a new meter. -- From: Ted Rook t...@crestaudio.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: measuring AC line impedance (:-) Date: Wed, Oct 30,

RE: Temp/Humidity Meter

2002-10-31 Thread HALL,KEN (HP-Roseville,ex1)
Hello, We buy Radio Shack and others and have them calibrated by MicroPrecision Regards, Ken Hall Hewlett-Packard http://www.microprecision.com/index.html -Original Message- From: POWELL, DOUG [mailto:doug.pow...@aei.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 2:42 PM To: 'Flinders,