Re: Need some help on Ethernet emissions testing

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Yup, since this accessory gear is not part of the test, only used to provide the communications, find the quietest one you can for a typical expected environment that your EUT is expected to go in. I have also in a debug mode, used a wrap plug on the end and run the diagnostics to see what

Re: Need some help on Ethernet emissions testing

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Charles, I would use a Netgear switch. They seem to be the best for emissions. The newer retail ones should be able to pass class B. Routers and switches are known to cause EMI problems even outside the test site. You want to best simulate the environment your product will be used.

RE: EN 55022:1998+A!+A2 vs EN 55022:2006

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Section 9.5.3.5 of CISPR 22, 3rd Edition reads: “9.5.3.5 Measurements at telecommunications ports intended for connection to cables containing more than two balanced pairs or to unbalanced cables The measurement method of C.1.3 or C.1.4 shall be used. At each frequency, the requirements

Safety of High-energy Magnet Charging Systems

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I am looking for someone who has experience with the safety aspects of high-energy magnet charging systems. Charging currents will be on the order of 20 kA. If you have experience in this area, please respond directly to me. Thanks for your help! -- Doug Nix QPS Evaluation Services Inc. Mobile:

Laser Safety Officer Training in Canada

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
We have a few seats left in our laser safety officer training course that is being offered the week of 18-Jun-07. If you are interested, please visit our website, http://www.qps.ca/ www.qps.ca, and follow the links to the laser safety registration pages. -- Doug Nix QPS Evaluation Services Inc.

Re: EN 55022:1998+A!+A2 vs EN 55022:2006

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 8b3bf7a02b910640ab146a919ab36594028bb...@exsvl03.hq.netapp.com, dated Fri, 18 May 2007, Kim, Ben ben@netapp.com writes: However, 10Mbps/100Mbps uses only 2 pair (4 wires) although the number of wires are 8. Since unused wires are not considered as balanced pair, it would be

Need some help on Ethernet emissions testing

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi folks, I have some a question on Ethernet emissions testing that I would appreciate some help with. Q. Is there a “preferred” active load (i.e router/PC/switch/hub) that I can use for testing.? I can vastly change my emissions profile depending on the device I pick. [Please note

RE: EN 55022:1998+A!+A2 vs EN 55022:2006

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
1Gbps uses all 4 pairs (8 wires) that requires 8 wire balanced ISN. Unlike EN55022:1998, new EN55022:2006 ALLOWS to use 8 wires ISN for ALL applications including 1 pair, 2 pairs, 3 pairs and 4 pairs (See Figure D.3, EN55022:2006) However, 10Mbps/100Mbps uses only 2 pair (4 wires) although the

RE: EN 55022:1998+A!+A2 vs EN 55022:2006

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Our 100BaseTX Ethernet passed RF conducted immunity at UL-Melville using the Fischer interface. We had no trouble getting a 'link' on the EUT and the AE (an Ethernet switch). Caution: Some ferrite 'magic bullits' sold for Ethernet cause 'cable-length' sensitivity (non-communication at some

RE: EN 55022:1998+A!+A2 vs EN 55022:2006

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Ghery, I need to ask about this one. All of the CDN / ISN adapters I have used including RS, Fischer Schaffner 4-Wire ISN/CDNs all have coupling networks for 4 interfaces and are labelled for E1, Ethernet, ISDN, etc., so you are saying the intent of CISPR 22 was to have all those interfaces

RE: EN 55022:1998+A!+A2 vs EN 55022:2006

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
CISPR 22 requires that you use an ISN based on the number of wires in the cable, not the number actually being used. All Ethernet tests should be done with an 8 wire ISN as Cat 3, Cat 5 and Cat 6 cables all have 8 wires. Ghery _ From: emcp...@aol.com [mailto:emcp...@aol.com]

Re: EN 55022:1998+A!+A2 vs EN 55022:2006

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Ghery, It is a two balanced pair ISN, so of course Gigabit Ethernet will not function, but I had trouble with 100 Mbps working through the ISN. I couldn't get a ping through it, so the probes were used instead. Maybe a newer 8 wire ISN will do the job. Thanks, Tim _ See what's

RE: EN 55022:1998+A!+A2 vs EN 55022:2006

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Why doesn’t it function? We test Ethernet using ISNs without any problem. Sure you’re using an 8 wire ISN? Ghery S. Pettit _ From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of emcp...@aol.com Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 11:31 AM To: ben@netapp.com;

Re: EN 55022:1998+A!+A2 vs EN 55022:2006

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Ben, I have an Ethernet port but it does not function with the ISN, so I use the probes. So with the different LCL you mentioned earlier, the ISN equipment would need to be updated for the 2006 standard? Thanks, Tim _ See what's free at AOL.com

RE: EN 55022:1998+A!+A2 vs EN 55022:2006

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Tim, It is depending on type of telecom port. If ISN device is currently available as defined in the standard, it should be used as long as your product is functional as intended. If there is no ISN available for your specific telecom port, you may use probes as an alternative. In case of

Re: EN 55022:1998+A!+A2 vs EN 55022:2006

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Ben, So if I'm getting my test done with the capacitive voltage probe for voltage measurement and current probe for current measurement, the telecom conducted emission requirement remains the same? My equipment will not function properly when connected to an ISN so the lab uses the current

RE: EN 55022:1998+A!+A2 vs EN 55022:2006

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Tim, Both EN 55022:1998+A1+A2 and EN 55022: 2006 standards are now listed in European OJ. One of major differences is the specification of ISN LCL(longitudinal Conversion Loss) for telecom ports although ISN spec is still controversial in general. If you want to declare to EN55022:2006 standard,

EN 55022:1998+A!+A2 vs EN 55022:2006

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi, I would like to know what the difference is between EN 55022:1998+A1+A2 and EN 55022: 2006. Has the telecommunication port conducted emission test changed at all? If I already tested to the 1998 standard, do I need to retest my ethernet port to the new standard? Does the 2006 standard

RE: Telecom approval in Vietnam required?

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Yes, modems and IEEE 802.11 WLAN are required to be certified for sale in the Vietnam market. These requirements were implemented in November of last year. Vietnam Regulatory Agency: The Ministry of Posts and Telematics (MPT) of the Socialist Republic of Viet Nam. Telecom Wireless products

RE: India Regulatory Compliance requirements

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Peter: The standard I mentioned is for EMC, dated May 2006, a previous issue was dated September 2001. This is for Telecom equipment that would be connected to the public network. ITE equipment does not fall under this standard. ITE equipment does not have to comply with EMC or safety

Telecom approval in Vietnam required?

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Is there a requirement in Vietnam for telecom approval of standard analog modems (56k dial-up)? Thanks. Jim Hulbert __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit

RE: India Regulatory Compliance requirements

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Kevin - Please expand on this: From: Kevin Keegan Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 6:21 AM May2006 Safety is as per IEC 60950. Is the date a typo or are you saying that, as of MAY2006 (last year) some form of safety certification is required in India for ITE and TE? A particular national

RE: Announce: Signal Integrity EMC methods training Portland, Seattle, Vancouver BC

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Jim - A couple of folks here have been to the course. I'll ask them. Best Regards Charles Grasso Compliance Engineer Echostar Communications Corp. Tel: 303-706-5467 Fax: 303-799-6222 Cell: 303-204-2974 Pager/Short Message: 3032042...@vtext.com Email: charles.gra...@echostar.com From:

RE: RE: ISN for Conducted Emission in accordance to CISPR 22 Ed 5.2:2006

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Gert – in your discussion with Neven you said: TIP: do you have a large ethernet building installation which underperforms heavily ? Add a grounding resistor of 100 K to chassis ground on one wire of each of the pairs. Good chance that you have a capacitively coupled mains voltage in

RE: India Regulatory Compliance requirements

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Bob: Just to add to your comment, For Telecom products , EMI/EMC is mandatory as per Standard No.SD/EMI-02/03. May2006 Safety is as per IEC 60950. Regards: Kevin Keegan Senior Associate KES Associates 1 Stonecroft Terrace Kanata, Ontario Canada K2K 2V1 Tel: 613-592-0820 Email:

Re: RTTE equipment to South Africa.

2007-05-18 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Daniel, For non-telecom/radiocom, the regulatory authority is SABS. You willneed LoA (safety) and CoC (emc). For the LoA you will need the name of your importer. For telecom/radiocom the regulatory authority is ICASA. Best Regards, Peter Daniel Liang daniel_liang_...@yahoo.com wrote: