Re: IEC 62368-1:2010 query

2010-02-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message p06240801c79b7539d046@[192.168.0.45], dated Fri, 12 Feb 2010, Nick Williams nick.willi...@conformance.co.uk writes: Do you know if BS will publish the standard (presumably as a BS IEC if there is to be no EN version at this stage)? I know of no plans to do so. I think it is very

Re: IEC 62368-1:2010 query

2010-02-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
John, Do you know if BS will publish the standard (presumably as a BS IEC if there is to be no EN version at this stage)? If they are not going to publish it then I will buy a copy from IEC but if they are then I will wait until it appears in the BS Online service. Nick. At 19:21 +

Re: IEC 62368-1:2010 query

2010-02-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
In message 9360F1D2B3C045618D6F94F546142B75@OwnerPC, dated Thu, 11 Feb 2010, Ron Pickard, RPQ rpick...@rpqconsulting.com writes: The IEC has just announced the publication (21-Jan-2010) of the safety standard IEC 62368-1:2010 ed1.0 (now encompassing audio/video, information and communication

Re: UL 1439 standard genesis

2010-02-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I have used the tester and find it takes a pretty sharp edge to fail. The primary benefit of the tester is that it settles the argument. If an edge passes the test UL will accept it. If it fails you had better address the issue. Internally, I have judged some edges a hazard and insisted on

Ethernet EMC design question

2010-02-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hello, I have seen two approaches to Ethernet magnetics design for functionality and EMC. In one approach the magnetics (and terminations) are integrated into the connector. A different approach is to use external magnetics terminations. I have also seen shielded and unshielded connectors.

RE: Shielding tents

2010-02-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Ian Assuming that you are mainly working from 30 MHz to 1 GHz the shielded tent material will give you reasonable performance, more than 30 dB. The big issue will be how you get cables in and out. The shielding effectiveness will easily fall to 20 dB or even 10 dB. Of course, any shielded

Re: UL 1439 standard genesis

2010-02-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
I think the design and use of the tool is well thought out. The only shortcomings with the design is that it can't be used to test short sharp surfaces (particularly points) and that the 'tape heads' sometimes rotate and won't stay in contact with the surface to be tested. I just think the test

Shielding tents

2010-02-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Dear colleagues. Does anyone have experience of using a Faraday/rfi screening tent for EMC emission measurements from products 1.5m x 1m x 0.5m? In particular; how effective are they in reducing external ambient emissions and are internal reflections from the EUT a problem. How do

RE: UL 1439 standard genesis

2010-02-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Peter and Forum, This discussion brings back some old memories for me. I worked at UL back in the 1970’s and shared a cubicle at that time with the engineer that developed the sharp edge tester. Peter’s comments pretty well summarizes the reasoning behind the development of the tester as a

AW: IEC 62368-1:2010 query

2010-02-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi, as I know in Europe the CENELEC voting for prEN 62368 was negative! Therefore we have the situation that for the Low Voltage Directive only EN 60950-1 and EN 60065 gives a “presumption of conformity” regarding CE marking. CENELEC is waiting for the 2nd edition of IEC 62368! On the IEC

Re: UL 1439 standard genesis

2010-02-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Sudhakar, Many UL Standards call out an edge, projection, or corner of an enclosure, opening, frame, guard, knob, handle, or the like, shall be smooth, well rounded, and not sufficiently sharp to constitute a hazard.” Manufacturers had no way to determine what constitutes a smooth, well

Re: Ex Toyota Lawyer: Electronic throttle control is culprit

2010-02-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
Hi Rich and the group, A friend, a real rocket scientist, had someone he knows experience the unintended acceleration in a Toyota. He had the presence of mind to put his foot under the accelerator pedal and pull up hard. The car continued to accelerate. Sounds like software to me. There is

IEC 62368-1:2010 query

2010-02-12 Thread emc-p...@ieee.org
To all, The IEC has just announced the publication (21-Jan-2010) of the safety standard IEC 62368-1:2010 ed1.0 (now encompassing audio/video, information and communication technology equipment), that’s intended to evolutionize safety analysis/evaluations thru HBSE. Now that this IEC base